The Rapture and the Time of Jacob's Trouble.

The rapture is not a doctrine/belief that is salvific in and of itself. One does not lose the kingdom because of a failure to understand or believe at all in a rapture.

My concern is that there are otherwise good God fearing people on either side of the argument. So, what if there is no rapture pre or mid trib? Will those believers risk losing faith? I can certainly see that as a possibility.

I think any teaching of the rapture should include a disclaimer such as: Although we believe the Bible is clear in its teachings on this subject, there are those that believe in an alternate timing. This belief or the other (regarding timing) is not critical to your salvation. The belief in a risen Son of God is. His return is imminent, and it is certain. Our understanding of the timing is less certain.

Excellent post!

That is pretty funny. You cannot even defend your own positions and resort to name calling. I see now, anything not from yourself is from the devil.

:counter: You coulda fooled me...…………………………….:hamburger:

So wrong again, living people are not resurrected they are translated. The dead in Christ are the resurrected in the Bema throne resurrection.

You could get hit by a bus tomorrow...and then where would you be.

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My concern is that there are otherwise good God fearing people on either side of the argument. So, what if there is no rapture pre or mid trib? Will those believers risk losing faith? I can certainly see that as a possibility.

sorry but post trib is wrong. If it were true, then who would be left to go into the millennial kingdom to re-populate the Earth?

by the end of the tribulation of the few left on Earth, there will only be 2 groups:

goats---the ones who took the mark and who do not go into the millennial kingdom.

sheep--- those who did not take the mark because they came to the saving knowledge of Jesus.

we know that the Lords first order of business upon returning to Earth at the end of the tribulation period before setting up his millennial reign, is the sheep and goat judgement see Matthew 25 31-46.

the "goats" are judged and sent off to punishment, they are no longer on Earth....if the sheep are raptured at the end and the dead in christ resurrected, then who would be left to re-populate Earth for Christ's 1000 year reign?

Nobody.

we know that the resurrected and raptured will no longer procreate:


Matthew 22:30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

if post-tribbers are correct, then who would be left to repopulate the Earth for Christ's millennial kingdom?

sorry but post trib is wrong. If it were true, then who would be left to go into the millennial kingdom to re-populate the Earth?

by the end of the tribulation of the few left on Earth, there will only be 2 groups:

goats---the ones who took the mark and who do not go into the millennial kingdom.

sheep--- those who did not take the mark because they came to the saving knowledge of Jesus.

we know that the Lords first order of business upon returning to Earth at the end of the tribulation period before setting up his millennial reign, is the sheep and goat judgement see Matthew 25 31-46.

the "goats" are judged and sent off to punishment, they are no longer on Earth....if the sheep are raptured at the end and the dead in christ resurrected, then who would be left to re-populate Earth for Christ's 1000 year reign?

Nobody.

we know that the resurrected and raptured will no longer procreate:


Matthew 22:30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

if post-tribbers are correct, then who would be left to repopulate the Earth for Christ's millennial kingdom?

OP, can I persuade you to watch the Bible-based movie about the two witnesses?

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It very much addresses your subject.

Thanks I had a quick look through it and read some of the comments, it does seem to be well produced. Although the time of the Two Witnesses is towards the latter part of The Great Tribulation. I had a dream once where I was in heaven and speaking with another person who I think I knew on earth. We where in a large muezzin/viewing area looking down on the earth which was filled with smoke, dust and fire, a real fearful sight and I turned and said to my companion 'I don't see how anyone can live through that.'

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I think you need to go back and read Revelations again.

When Jesus rolls up in the clouds with every angel in heaven, and calls all of His, living and dead, to Him, all the people left on earth are goats.

This starts the millenial reign, and the sheep reign with Him.

Then satan is let out of the pit for a time, and all those who remain goats, even in the presence of Jesus, follow after satan in a planned attack on the Holy City.

Then, with a word from Jesus, it is over.

Satan is cast back in the pit, the universe is destroyed, all who are still dead are resurrected and are judged according to their deeds. Those who rejected God go into the pit.

This is why Revelations says Blessed are those who are part of the first resurrection, for they will not taste death. (Even though many of them obviously physically died.)

:bridec: For those of you who have questions

about the Rapture this is an excellent video that explains a great deal and is well worth a few minutes of your time. Many deceived/lukewarm Christians believe that there will be a great revival because they listen to liars who fill their heads with false teachings. They ignore the very serious warnings that the Lord gave to the seven early churches in Asia Minor, along with dozens of other occasions when false teachers are very clearly warned about their upcoming judgement. 2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

There will likely be a false revival led by whoever is the Pope at the time supported by a host of false churches and non-Christian religions. If you get caught up in this then you are at great risk of finishing up in hell, and you will have no one to blame but yourself.

Many people forget or chose to ignore the fact that Jesus Christ is also The King of the Jues. The Rapture is that wonderful occasion when the Lord calls all the believers to meet Him in the clouds, leaving the rest of you behind to face His wrath during the Great Tribulation. This is also known as The Time of Jacob's Troubles. Zec 13:8 And it shall come to pass, [that] in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off [and] die; but the third shall be left therein.
Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, The LORD [is] my God.

You have still been blessed with a little time, get right with the Lord now while you are still able, He will be quick to hear you. You could get hit by a bus tomorrow...and then where would you be.

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Jacobs trouble is easy, its 21 years,

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Harpazo is in the Bible, now the only real question is where do the sons and daughters of God "go with Jesus". How about to the Lamb's wedding feast in Heaven and then they return with the Lord at His second coming to Mt. Olive.

Study it long enough and it will make 100% sense.

Study anything long enough and it will make 100% sense to you, because you have brainwashed yourself.