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If not Trump then WHO?

 
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BERNIE 2020!!!

Tax the wealthy!!

Corporate automation must pay its fair share!!

We already spend over $40+ trillion on 10 years worth of medical treatment as it is!!

You can keep your private insurers even though they're criminal!!

OVERTURN CITIZENS UNITED AND GET CORPORATE LOBBYING OUT OF CONGRESS!!!!
 Quoting: PhiloSophiaZoso


you do realize the wealthy pay 92% of taxes and create 86% of the jobs in this country. When you tax the shit out of them what do you think will happen? they will move their money offshore and move their businesses offshore as well. Who then is going to pay for all of Bernies free bullshit?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77520919


The policies favor the wealthy as it is.
The bottom 95% should be paying zero taxes as it is.
Almost all the wealth garnered by the top 5% is from globalist mercantilism at the expense to most Americans.

Get rid of the government all together, disband the police, end interstate construction and maintenance, quit international port construction and maintenance and what do we have left?

We have the poor still poor, we have the homeless still homeless, but we have a lot of people at the top broken and poor as well. Those are the beneficiaries.

They love the riches with globalism but despise the costs with it.

If we did the above, everything would go back to local economies where men could raise a family with a stay at home wife and most business would sink their investment into the local economies rather than gambling in the global stock market making a few stinking rich off of doing jack.

The days of a trillion dollar military protecting global investors interests would be over as well.

The current projectory favors the global rich and punishes everyone else.
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Okay. You neocons are doing a great job of outing yourselves.
 Quoting: thinking...


So what if I’m a neoconservative?

I believe in the promotion of democracy worldwide. How is that a bad thing? I’d rather not have Chinese and Russian overlords ruling over us...
 Quoting: Military Expert


Neoconservatism came out of Trotskyism - hence the globalist, constant conflict perspective. They see the US as an empire - completely against what our founders created and the constitution as an obstacle to their insane ambitions. Their communist roots is why they are butt buddies with Democraps and why MSNPC employs the likes of Nicole Wallace who is adored by Democraps. Military intervention, overthrowing other governments and murdering foreign populations for empire are NOT pro American. In fact, that path will be the death of the US just as it was for the Roman Empire.
 Quoting: thinking...


Neoconservatism has historically been the strongest voice against communism. You’re full of shit.
 Quoting: Military Expert


Neoconservatism are jack boot globalists looking to enslave the world for greater profits while bankrupting this nation.
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Your true choices:

1. President Trump - he's not perfect. My friend was complaining that he's crass. I told her, "I don't give a fucking shit. He's getting things done. Is that crass enough for you?"

2. A Democrat Socialist- We, the Socialist leaders, will live like royalty and fuck you serfs.

Meanwhile, these same leaders will tax those who bust their humps in order to support those who won't work. That said, I do think the gov't should help those who cannot work and the elderly. Everyone else, get off your asses and get a job.

This is what it boils down to because any other party's candidate has zero chance.
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tard

Yea I guess all of your founders were 'communist liberarians' then.

Another fine product of the American Educational System, I see.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77983905


Our Founders were termed classical liberals (the exact opposite of modern liberals) not "Libertarians". Libertarians oppose nation states. One can hold some libertarian ideas while not embracing the full ideology.
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Do you even know a damn thing about the Libertarian Party. It was formed in the 70's by former Republican Goldwater supporters who opposed the nomination of Nixon. Not exactly the no-borders lets embrace commies crowd. There are those that call themselves libertarians but its a bastardization of Libertarian ideals. Think big L, not little l.
 Quoting: DeplorableDoomsdayGuy


Yes, I'm familiar with the history and have been a member at Ron Paul Forums since it's inception. Libertarians are notorious for never being being able to agree on much except personal liberty but, I'll tell you one thing, none of them support neocon military intervention. Many are pro open borders as a matter of personal liberty and freedom of movement. It's a topic they fight about all of the time.
 Quoting: thinking...


That freedom of movement does not work though if all other countries are not on the same level.

It only ends up rewarding them $$$ and punishing every worker in this country.

They say they should not interfere in the affairs in other countries but are hypocrites if they do trade with non libertarian countries.
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Many on the forum have expressed concern or discontent with PDJT lately.

The question I am seriously asking the former Trump Supporters is, If not DJT than who are you thinking would be a a better choice by the Republican/Libertarian Party?
 Quoting: Bird Shadow


Trump is our best bet right now.

I just hope and pray he hasn’t been taken over.

If Trump does not win, I see a civil war happening in THIS country.

Trump isn’t looking so good. I hope he can withstand another two years.
My prayers our with our President Trump.
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I thought for sure Trinity would visit this thread...he has been the most vocal lately
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The thing is, after Trump you can't vote for another politician - ever! He proved that they are a waste of skin. So who do we vote for after Trump should be the question. It better be another businessman.

I'm not a Trumptard but he is far better than any Democrat politician running for POTUS today. Hell, I'd take a liberal businessman over a conservative senator any day of the week.

The point is that politicians have been exposed because of Trump. For that, he'll get my vote unless a better businessman comes along and throws his hat into the ring.
Bloomberg is not the one though.

Going forward, the POTUS should always be a businessman and not a bought and paid for politician.
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Many on the forum have expressed concern or discontent with PDJT lately.

The question I am seriously asking the former Trump Supporters is, If not DJT than who are you thinking would be a a better choice by the Republican/Libertarian Party?
 Quoting: Bird Shadow


Still haven’t learned voting is a waste of time?
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A guy who I believe would be a good successor to Trump would be radio host Alex Jones.
 Quoting: ACME_MAN


Agreed. I like Alex.

Maybe Trinity would consider saving our asses?
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The thing is, after Trump you can't vote for another politician - ever! He proved that they are a waste of skin. So who do we vote for after Trump should be the question. It better be another businessman.

I'm not a Trumptard but he is far better than any Democrat politician running for POTUS today. Hell, I'd take a liberal businessman over a conservative senator any day of the week.

The point is that politicians have been exposed because of Trump. For that, he'll get my vote unless a better businessman comes along and throws his hat into the ring.
Bloomberg is not the one though.

Going forward, the POTUS should always be a businessman and not a bought and paid for politician.
 Quoting: Sal Monella 7796521


Yeah and it helps iPresident Trump isn’t falling down having seizures from Kuru or bleeding out the eye or one of the other zombie, pedophile , cannalistic candidates they put in front of us.
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Many on the forum have expressed concern or discontent with PDJT lately.

The question I am seriously asking the former Trump Supporters is, If not DJT than who are you thinking would be a a better choice by the Republican/Libertarian Party?
 Quoting: Bird Shadow


Still haven’t learned voting is a waste of time?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75211114


WE THE PEOPLE managed to get President Trump elected.
WE CAN do it again.

It was obvious that was a shock to “them”.
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Your true choices:

1. President Trump - he's not perfect. My friend was complaining that he's crass. I told her, "I don't give a fucking shit. He's getting things done. Is that crass enough for you?"

2. A Democrat Socialist- We, the Socialist leaders, will live like royalty and fuck you serfs.

Meanwhile, these same leaders will tax those who bust their humps in order to support those who won't work. That said, I do think the gov't should help those who cannot work and the elderly. Everyone else, get off your asses and get a job.

This is what it boils down to because any other party's candidate has zero chance.
 Quoting: abrock


They ALL HIDE the PEACEFUL extraterrestrial visitors.

Do you think they have "money" in their HIGHLY ADVANCED SOCIETIES???
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Many on the forum have expressed concern or discontent with PDJT lately.

The question I am seriously asking the former Trump Supporters is, If not DJT than who are you thinking would be a a better choice by the Republican/Libertarian Party?
 Quoting: Bird Shadow


Still haven’t learned voting is a waste of time?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75211114


WE THE PEOPLE managed to get President Trump elected.
WE CAN do it again.

It was obvious that was a shock to “them”.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77902138


He put all the 911 people in his cabinet.

How DUMB can you people get???
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Politics is flawed .. to have one elected leader is the problem it should be a cabinet of people. From both sides and eventually they will learn comprimise until then you.ll have problems..

Gov isnt for the people its for corperations .. and that s been well known since 60s
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77947096


I agree with this.
Everyone should have organizations in DC working for them.
Instead we have Corporate and Banking Lobbyists that dominate it.

Money should be removed as well since the highest donors fuck over the system.
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Too old and DEPRESSIVE!!!


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It will be Trump in 2020 and Nikki Haley in 2024 and 2028.
Just don't make anything up.
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Okay. You neocons are doing a great job of outing yourselves.
 Quoting: thinking...


So what if I’m a neoconservative?

I believe in the promotion of democracy worldwide. How is that a bad thing? I’d rather not have Chinese and Russian overlords ruling over us...
 Quoting: Military Expert


Neoconservatism came out of Trotskyism - hence the globalist, constant conflict perspective. They see the US as an empire - completely against what our founders created and the constitution as an obstacle to their insane ambitions. Their communist roots is why they are butt buddies with Democraps and why MSNPC employs the likes of Nicole Wallace who is adored by Democraps. Military intervention, overthrowing other governments and murdering foreign populations for empire are NOT pro American. In fact, that path will be the death of the US just as it was for the Roman Empire.
 Quoting: thinking...


Correct. Neocons are traitors and Communists. They put Israel First and America Last. They larp on about the evil Communists in China and Russia and willfully ignore the fact that the founder of Communism, Moses Hess, was also the founder of Zionism (which has nothing to do with authentic Old Testament Judaism). They willfully ignore that Ben Gurion secretly worked with Communist China to develop Israel's nuke program, in the same manner that Netanyahu has supported by proxy the demonic Syrian Rebels and ISIS in the bid to overthrow Assad.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77983530


BILL KRISTOL AND THE COMMUNIST ROOTS OF NEO-CONSERVATISM


The neoconservative movement has been a problem since its formation by none other than Bill Kristol's father, Irving Kristol in the 1930's. Irving Kristol once proudly admitted that:

“[The] honor I most prized was the fact that I was a member in good standing of the Trotskyist Young People’s Socialist League.”

You see where this is going? The root of the neocon movement is that of reactionary and pragmatic communists, which shifted into a new movement as a result of a growing wariness towards communism in the 1930's. They then rebranded themselves in order to effectively subvert even further.


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Tulsi, minus the gun grabbing and immigration policies?
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Many on the forum have expressed concern or discontent with PDJT lately.

The question I am seriously asking the former Trump Supporters is, If not DJT than who are you thinking would be a a better choice by the Republican/Libertarian Party?
 Quoting: Bird Shadow


Still haven’t learned voting is a waste of time?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75211114


WE THE PEOPLE managed to get President Trump elected.
WE CAN do it again.

It was obvious that was a shock to “them”.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77902138


He put all the 911 people in his cabinet.

How DUMB can you people get???
 Quoting: NewEarth 5D 77983403


I know. I’m not saying he is great but he is a better choice than Biden.
We are between a rock and a hard place.

He is the best we have at the moment.

I’m telling ya all, we better be praying for the hand of GOD to intervene.
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Our Founders were termed classical liberals (the exact opposite of modern liberals) not "Libertarians". Libertarians oppose nation states. One can hold some libertarian ideas while not embracing the full ideology.
 Quoting: thinking...


Do you even know a damn thing about the Libertarian Party. It was formed in the 70's by former Republican Goldwater supporters who opposed the nomination of Nixon. Not exactly the no-borders lets embrace commies crowd. There are those that call themselves libertarians but its a bastardization of Libertarian ideals. Think big L, not little l.
 Quoting: DeplorableDoomsdayGuy


Yes, I'm familiar with the history and have been a member at Ron Paul Forums since it's inception. Libertarians are notorious for never being being able to agree on much except personal liberty but, I'll tell you one thing, none of them support neocon military intervention. Many are pro open borders as a matter of personal liberty and freedom of movement. It's a topic they fight about all of the time.
 Quoting: thinking...


Well if they all fight about it, then you are obviously making shit up as you go along. How can you say Libertarians as a whole think that way, and then turn around and say that they all fight about it. By your own admission your previous statement is false, yet you will still continue to dig your own grave by trying to push as truth. Or are you going to come back with something original like name calling.

crackpipe
 Quoting: DeplorableDoomsdayGuy


I'm trying very hard to be nice to you but you don't make that easy.

Yes, they argue about these things (Liberatarianism being, primarily, an intellectual exercise). So, we have to look at the position of the Libertarian Party when it comes to open borders and illegal immigration and here it is:

Libertarians believe that people should be able to travel freely as long as they are peaceful. We welcome immigrants who come seeking a better life. The vast majority of immigrants are very peaceful and highly productive.

Indeed, the United States is a country of immigrants, of all backgrounds and walks of life…some families have just been here for more generations than others. Newcomers bring great vitality to our society.

A truly free market requires the free movement of people, not just products and ideas.

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In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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The thing is, after Trump you can't vote for another politician - ever! He proved that they are a waste of skin. So who do we vote for after Trump should be the question. It better be another businessman.

I'm not a Trumptard but he is far better than any Democrat politician running for POTUS today. Hell, I'd take a liberal businessman over a conservative senator any day of the week.

The point is that politicians have been exposed because of Trump. For that, he'll get my vote unless a better businessman comes along and throws his hat into the ring.
Bloomberg is not the one though.

Going forward, the POTUS should always be a businessman and not a bought and paid for politician.
 Quoting: Sal Monella 7796521


I have No problem with a business man running the country, but pay to play businessmen I do. If your business requires you to bribe politicians or hop in bed with slave labor countries, then your cut throat policies that do harm Americans, will also continue into your presidency as well.

No thanks
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Your true choices:

1. President Trump - he's not perfect. My friend was complaining that he's crass. I told her, "I don't give a fucking shit. He's getting things done. Is that crass enough for you?"

2. A Democrat Socialist- We, the Socialist leaders, will live like royalty and fuck you serfs.

Meanwhile, these same leaders will tax those who bust their humps in order to support those who won't work. That said, I do think the gov't should help those who cannot work and the elderly. Everyone else, get off your asses and get a job.

This is what it boils down to because any other party's candidate has zero chance.
 Quoting: abrock


They ALL HIDE the PEACEFUL extraterrestrial visitors.

Do you think they have "money" in their HIGHLY ADVANCED SOCIETIES???
 Quoting: NewEarth 5D 77983403


No they sure don’t.
We need to evolve back to the trade system and doing for others out of love because we are actually parts of a whole, larger body.
If one is sick, so are all.
We need to love one another.
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There are better people but they have like zero chance of winning.
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There it is. It's as simple as that. It's either Trump or a commie-neocon dictatorship.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
 Quoting: judahbenhuer
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Do you even know a damn thing about the Libertarian Party. It was formed in the 70's by former Republican Goldwater supporters who opposed the nomination of Nixon. Not exactly the no-borders lets embrace commies crowd. There are those that call themselves libertarians but its a bastardization of Libertarian ideals. Think big L, not little l.
 Quoting: DeplorableDoomsdayGuy


Yes, I'm familiar with the history and have been a member at Ron Paul Forums since it's inception. Libertarians are notorious for never being being able to agree on much except personal liberty but, I'll tell you one thing, none of them support neocon military intervention. Many are pro open borders as a matter of personal liberty and freedom of movement. It's a topic they fight about all of the time.
 Quoting: thinking...


Well if they all fight about it, then you are obviously making shit up as you go along. How can you say Libertarians as a whole think that way, and then turn around and say that they all fight about it. By your own admission your previous statement is false, yet you will still continue to dig your own grave by trying to push as truth. Or are you going to come back with something original like name calling.

:crackpipe:
 Quoting: DeplorableDoomsdayGuy


I'm trying very hard to be nice to you but you don't make that easy.

Yes, they argue about these things (Liberatarianism being, primarily, an intellectual exercise). So, we have to look at the position of the Libertarian Party when it comes to open borders and illegal immigration and here it is:

Libertarians believe that people should be able to travel freely as long as they are peaceful. We welcome immigrants who come seeking a better life. The vast majority of immigrants are very peaceful and highly productive.

Indeed, the United States is a country of immigrants, of all backgrounds and walks of life…some families have just been here for more generations than others. Newcomers bring great vitality to our society.

A truly free market requires the free movement of people, not just products and ideas.

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 Quoting: thinking...


That needs to be a two way street though.
Am I free to go to other countries without any expense if you create a hell hole here?
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Libertarians want a roach motel in the USA.
Bring all the third world immigrants into the USA, legally, while via supply and demand, they push down wages and make bank.
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Many on the forum have expressed concern or discontent with PDJT lately.

The question I am seriously asking the former Trump Supporters is, If not DJT than who are you thinking would be a a better choice by the Republican/Libertarian Party?
 Quoting: Bird Shadow


all hope is lost.
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Many on the forum have expressed concern or discontent with PDJT lately.

The question I am seriously asking the former Trump Supporters is, If not DJT than who are you thinking would be a a better choice by the Republican/Libertarian Party?
 Quoting: Bird Shadow


all hope is lost.
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no it's not....we are doing better now than in the Obama years
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Many on the forum have expressed concern or discontent with PDJT lately.

The question I am seriously asking the former Trump Supporters is, If not DJT than who are you thinking would be a a better choice by the Republican/Libertarian Party?
 Quoting: Bird Shadow


all hope is lost.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76809044


Yep
A lot of the rich need to be taken out of power is a lot of the problem.

They want to protect their cash cow.
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I thought for sure Trinity would visit this thread...he has been the most vocal lately
 Quoting: Bird Shadow


LOL when he crawls out of hillary's buttholle your thread will stump him a few days at least. might take a while for him to come up with an answere for ya.
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we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


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