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a failed effort on all fronts...and the war terminology chosen with care.

It WAS a war... on our way of life. Never once did recycling in any real way help the planet. It was a tool for teaching the sheep and enacting laws. And lining democrap pockets.

the extent of the failure cannot be ignored, even by the founders and former promoters of recycling.

says one:

“People don’t know what’s happening to their trash,” said Andrew Spicer, who teaches corporate social responsibility at the University of South Carolina and sits on his state’s recycling advisory board. “They think they’re saving the world. But the international recycling business sees it as a way of making money. There have been no global regulations – just a long, dirty market that allows some companies to take advantage of a world without rules.”


and this:

The environmental and social ramifications of America’s plastic exports are shocking even to those in the industry. Bob Wenzlau is considered one of the founding fathers of the US curbside recycling system, having helped to launch the program in Palo Alto, California, in 1976.

Curbside recycling “was started with a really good intention; I used to feel so proud,” said Wenzlau. Now, after learning of the effects the nation’s exports are having overseas, he said, “my heart aches, because the system is doing harm”.


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links in thread will appear here for the hurried reader!

your recycling ain't getting recycled
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convincing pros and weak cons on incineration:
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oil comes from dinosaur bodies??
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an Environmnental Science teacher told his high school classes over the years -


the only recycling that has any good impact is metal cans. The rest is only training you to be good little recyclers.

one day, maybe it will benefit the planet. but right now it it is a NET HARM.

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lots and lots of info at the link


banning plastic straws and bags is just as stupid as "recycling".



they call them single-use bags..... maybe for rich liberals.

I use them in yard work, care of chronically sick people, and lining wastebaskets.


single use my ass
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Medical care and food safety today is unthinkable without plastic

so is cell phone communication, or typing on a computer keyboard.

I am thankful for plastics....


disposal options? the microbes mentioned in a recent thread that digest plastic....

or incineration. Good old incineration is making a comeback as scrubbers make it safe and effective. AND it ends the recycling horrors outlined in the original link.

may find an article about the resurgence of modern incineration.


used to be, no school was constructed without this capability.
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Tokyo is using Eco-friendly high efficiency incinerator.

..."There are nineteen waste incineration plants in the
central part of Tokyo. For many people, waste incineration
plants have a negative image, associated with dirtiness and
air pollution. But with the latest technology, waste disposal
methods are actually efficient and environmentally
friendly."...

[link to www.japan.go.jp (secure)]

Much smarter use of resources, better than "recycling".

Of course, we could follow the greeny weeny model:

:dieselgenerator:

:dieselcharger:
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My town just decided to stop recycling, ostensibly because only 40% of residents use the service but, considering our mayor is a raging leftist professor elected by students at the university, I’m sure this article had something to do with it. I know the Guardian is a commie rag but this is consistent with what I already thought about recycling anyway and it goes against their agenda so I am inclined to believe it.

Thanks, Guardian. Recycling was a pain in the ass anyway. No more for this house.
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Well one minute of everyones time below to tell you what is really happening with plastic and humans :-)



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We need to burn our garbage.
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I'm pretty sure it's a lucrative scam. But the cardboard and paper probably do get recycled. Cardboard is huge, those giant dumpsters are always packed full and overflowing.

The rest, I've heard only the metal cans get recycled. Guy I know in the industry says the glass and plastic does not get recycled.

It's sickening to think we were shipping it overseas anyway. Supposedly China quit taking it so it just gets thrown in the landfill with everything else now - after you pay big bucks to have it picked up separately.

One thing I can get behind is the composting operations, we do have that here and that seems sensible and worthwhile to keep food waste and other biodegradables out of the landfill.
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We need to burn our garbage.
 Quoting: BilloutWest


I always thought that made a lot of sense although burning plastic could be a pollution issue.
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...

Of course, we could follow the greeny weeny model:

:dieselgenerator:
...
 Quoting: Trained Noticer

it appears that that is a diesel van pulling a specialized battery charger that isn't diesel to help electric cars in distress "The power bank, AFP reported, is made of lithium battery packs that can provide electricity for an electric vehicle for about 12 kilometers (or about 7.5 miles)."
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from leftovers of food, you make dirt/earth and plant some trees and from gases out of it, you make a fuel...
plastic is harming oceans....
plastic used with reason/mind is ok...
and where needed, should be used...
even that you can get from plants...
and so on, and so on...
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We need to burn our garbage.
 Quoting: BilloutWest


I always thought that made a lot of sense although burning plastic could be a pollution issue.
 Quoting: Vision Thing


Any modern incinerator is going to have a scrubber that keeps the smoke out of the air.
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My town just decided to stop recycling, ostensibly because only 40% of residents use the service but, considering our mayor is a raging leftist professor elected by students at the university, I’m sure this article had something to do with it. I know the Guardian is a commie rag but this is consistent with what I already thought about recycling anyway and it goes against their agenda so I am inclined to believe it.

Thanks, Guardian. Recycling was a pain in the ass anyway. No more for this house.
 Quoting: Deplorable Revbo™


where does your sewer go, with all chemicals in it?...
in europe, no more fish in water....
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My town just decided to stop recycling, ostensibly because only 40% of residents use the service but, considering our mayor is a raging leftist professor elected by students at the university, I’m sure this article had something to do with it. I know the Guardian is a commie rag but this is consistent with what I already thought about recycling anyway and it goes against their agenda so I am inclined to believe it.

Thanks, Guardian. Recycling was a pain in the ass anyway. No more for this house.
 Quoting: Deplorable Revbo™


where does your sewer go, with all chemicals in it?...
in europe, no more fish in water....
 Quoting: 7..X.LePsihoLog


There’s a waste treatment plant next to the water works. Fishing is still great around here. More catfish and bass and brim than we know what to do with.
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I'm pretty sure it's a lucrative scam. But the cardboard and paper probably do get recycled. Cardboard is huge, those giant dumpsters are always packed full and overflowing.

The rest, I've heard only the metal cans get recycled. Guy I know in the industry says the glass and plastic does not get recycled.

It's sickening to think we were shipping it overseas anyway. Supposedly China quit taking it so it just gets thrown in the landfill with everything else now - after you pay big bucks to have it picked up separately.

One thing I can get behind is the composting operations, we do have that here and that seems sensible and worthwhile to keep food waste and other biodegradables out of the landfill.
 Quoting: Vision Thing


They do, in part, using far more chemicals and energy than harvesting new trees, which are grown for the purpose.

u2efineu2efineu2efine

Composting done at home is great, and the "pig bucket" under the sink in business in Germany was good too.
The farmer would come by nightly to get slops for the hogs.

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...

Of course, we could follow the greeny weeny model:

:dieselgenerator:
...
 Quoting: Trained Noticer

it appears that that is a diesel van pulling a specialized battery charger that isn't diesel to help electric cars in distress "The power bank, AFP reported, is made of lithium battery packs that can provide electricity for an electric vehicle for about 12 kilometers (or about 7.5 miles)."
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My town just decided to stop recycling, ostensibly because only 40% of residents use the service but, considering our mayor is a raging leftist professor elected by students at the university, I’m sure this article had something to do with it. I know the Guardian is a commie rag but this is consistent with what I already thought about recycling anyway and it goes against their agenda so I am inclined to believe it.

Thanks, Guardian. Recycling was a pain in the ass anyway. No more for this house.
 Quoting: Deplorable Revbo™


clappa


think I got an article about municipalites going this way..... maybe yours was one!

will post link shortly
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My town just decided to stop recycling, ostensibly because only 40% of residents use the service but, considering our mayor is a raging leftist professor elected by students at the university, I’m sure this article had something to do with it. I know the Guardian is a commie rag but this is consistent with what I already thought about recycling anyway and it goes against their agenda so I am inclined to believe it.

Thanks, Guardian. Recycling was a pain in the ass anyway. No more for this house.
 Quoting: Deplorable Revbo™


where does your sewer go, with all chemicals in it?...
in europe, no more fish in water....
 Quoting: 7..X.LePsihoLog


There’s a waste treatment plant next to the water works. Fishing is still great around here. More catfish and bass and brim than we know what to do with.
 Quoting: Deplorable Revbo™


here in europe, news from couple of days ago, fish in water...
DESTROYED!...

i have finished some coursera classes, one was connected with sustainable growing of food in comparison/connection to nature...
was impressed how some in usa do care about nature...
especially with underground water reservoirs...
they are checking every few months that not a single chemical is spilled in there....

sad that others do not do so....

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My town just decided to stop recycling, ostensibly because only 40% of residents use the service but, considering our mayor is a raging leftist professor elected by students at the university, I’m sure this article had something to do with it. I know the Guardian is a commie rag but this is consistent with what I already thought about recycling anyway and it goes against their agenda so I am inclined to believe it.

Thanks, Guardian. Recycling was a pain in the ass anyway. No more for this house.
 Quoting: Deplorable Revbo™


where does your sewer go, with all chemicals in it?...
in europe, no more fish in water....
 Quoting: 7..X.LePsihoLog


There’s a waste treatment plant next to the water works. Fishing is still great around here. More catfish and bass and brim than we know what to do with.
 Quoting: Deplorable Revbo™


not everywhere is the same....
they just throw poison in nature...

heard that some have thrown nuke waste in oceans...
while they have taken money for "storage-ing it"...
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Like everything else the political left touches, recycling is a corrupt scam that serves no purpose other than to allow for international graft. But if the rest of the world is going to send the US their garbage in human form, its only right that the US reciprocate with actual garbage.
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..."curbside recycling has more recently been deemed an
expensive luxury by a number of municipalities.

Thomas Kinnaman, who studies the economics of solid waste and
recycling at Bucknell University, said public enthusiasm
about recycling, once viewed as fashionable, had cooled.
States, he said, now favor cheaper, easier options, which
typically amount to either burying or burning garbage."...

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Recycling:
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I tried to woke some people about this too. I don't use my recycle bin anymore.
Thread: Do you recycle?
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Re: wanna 'save' the planet? BAN RECYCLING
from a very "green" site:

the pros and cons of modern incineration.

I leave it to you to judge....

however, their BIGGEST gripe about clean incineration is this.....


#3 Opportunity costs

Perhaps the most important objection to incineration of solid waste arises from the concept of opportunity costs—that is, the idea that the actions we take automatically preclude other actions, which might be more effective if we gave them the chance.

Some critics of incineration claim that incineration ultimately encourages more waste production because incinerators require large volumes of waste to keep the fires burning, and local authorities may opt for incineration over recycling and waste reduction programs.


ha ha academic bullshit.... they really don't have real-life founded reasons to protest against this technology.

it will be chosen because it IS better.

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I tried to woke some people about this too. I don't use my recycle bin anymore.
Thread: Do you recycle?
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glad to see this !!!!
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Well one minute of everyones time below to tell you what is really happening with plastic and humans :-)



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My town just decided to stop recycling, ostensibly because only 40% of residents use the service but, considering our mayor is a raging leftist professor elected by students at the university, I’m sure this article had something to do with it. I know the Guardian is a commie rag but this is consistent with what I already thought about recycling anyway and it goes against their agenda so I am inclined to believe it.

Thanks, Guardian. Recycling was a pain in the ass anyway. No more for this house.
 Quoting: Deplorable Revbo™


where does your sewer go, with all chemicals in it?...
in europe, no more fish in water....
 Quoting: 7..X.LePsihoLog


Round these parts it is treated and then deep well injection is used to push it down below the aquifer.

not the greatest solution but the fishing is just fine, although not near as good as it was before the chinese set up shop with nets off our coasts during the reign of the halfrican communist.
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Re: wanna 'save' the planet? BAN RECYCLING
from a very "green" site:

the pros and cons of modern incineration.

I leave it to you to judge....

however, their BIGGEST gripe about clean incineration is this.....


#3 Opportunity costs

Perhaps the most important objection to incineration of solid waste arises from the concept of opportunity costs—that is, the idea that the actions we take automatically preclude other actions, which might be more effective if we gave them the chance.

Some critics of incineration claim that incineration ultimately encourages more waste production because incinerators require large volumes of waste to keep the fires burning, and local authorities may opt for incineration over recycling and waste reduction programs.


ha ha academic bullshit.... they really don't have real-life founded reasons to protest against this technology.

it will be chosen because it IS better.

[link to greentumble.com (secure)]
 Quoting: beeches

news article from here, 10 minutes ago...
air pollution connected with mental illnesses...
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We need to burn our garbage.
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I always thought that made a lot of sense although burning plastic could be a pollution issue.
 Quoting: Vision Thing


yes back when packages were hemp paper.
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from a very "green" site:

the pros and cons of modern incineration.

I leave it to you to judge....

however, their BIGGEST gripe about clean incineration is this.....


#3 Opportunity costs

Perhaps the most important objection to incineration of solid waste arises from the concept of opportunity costs—that is, the idea that the actions we take automatically preclude other actions, which might be more effective if we gave them the chance.

Some critics of incineration claim that incineration ultimately encourages more waste production because incinerators require large volumes of waste to keep the fires burning, and local authorities may opt for incineration over recycling and waste reduction programs.


ha ha academic bullshit.... they really don't have real-life founded reasons to protest against this technology.

it will be chosen because it IS better.

[link to greentumble.com (secure)]
 Quoting: beeches

news article from here, 10 minutes ago...
air pollution connected with mental illnesses...
 Quoting: 7..X.LePsihoLog


post the article, if you can.
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