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..."Plastics and papers from dozens of American cities and
towns are being dumped in landfills after China stopped
recycling most “foreign garbage.”...

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"Recycling doesn't make a lick o' sense, Ange."
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and don't give us this fossil fuel crap.... oil is nowhere near being depleted.


abiotic oil

will post link - oil is NOT from dinosaur bodies....
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I'm pretty sure it's a lucrative scam. But the cardboard and paper probably do get recycled. Cardboard is huge, those giant dumpsters are always packed full and overflowing.

The rest, I've heard only the metal cans get recycled. Guy I know in the industry says the glass and plastic does not get recycled.

It's sickening to think we were shipping it overseas anyway. Supposedly China quit taking it so it just gets thrown in the landfill with everything else now - after you pay big bucks to have it picked up separately.

One thing I can get behind is the composting operations, we do have that here and that seems sensible and worthwhile to keep food waste and other biodegradables out of the landfill.
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They do, in part, using far more chemicals and energy than harvesting new trees, which are grown for the purpose.

u2efineu2efineu2efine

Composting done at home is great, and the "pig bucket" under the sink in business in Germany was good too.
The farmer would come by nightly to get slops for the hogs.

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Composting done at home is the way to go if possible, I agree. There sure are a lot of people living in apartments though and also the bulk of the stuff at commercial compost facilities probably comes from restaurants and food processing plants, plus municipal yard waste.

This apartment building has all the recycling options but the food waste one. I don't know how the rest of town is, I bet most apartment buildings don't have that service either.

Recycling services is a yet another big bill for small businesses. If the stuff isn't getting recycled, but we're paying for it anyway, it's just a scam to make the trash service companies rich.
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I'm pretty sure it's a lucrative scam. But the cardboard and paper probably do get recycled. Cardboard is huge, those giant dumpsters are always packed full and overflowing.

The rest, I've heard only the metal cans get recycled. Guy I know in the industry says the glass and plastic does not get recycled.

It's sickening to think we were shipping it overseas anyway. Supposedly China quit taking it so it just gets thrown in the landfill with everything else now - after you pay big bucks to have it picked up separately.

One thing I can get behind is the composting operations, we do have that here and that seems sensible and worthwhile to keep food waste and other biodegradables out of the landfill.
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They do, in part, using far more chemicals and energy than harvesting new trees, which are grown for the purpose.

u2efineu2efineu2efine

Composting done at home is great, and the "pig bucket" under the sink in business in Germany was good too.
The farmer would come by nightly to get slops for the hogs.

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Composting done at home is the way to go if possible, I agree. There sure are a lot of people living in apartments though and also the bulk of the stuff at commercial compost facilities probably comes from restaurants and food processing plants, plus municipal yard waste.

This apartment building has all the recycling options but the food waste one. I don't know how the rest of town is, I bet most apartment buildings don't have that service either.

Recycling services is a yet another big bill for small businesses. If the stuff isn't getting recycled, but we're paying for it anyway, it's just a scam to make the trash service companies rich.
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this angle is there, too.

our trash hauler is a family company. The State of Delaware forced them, and all haulers,
to go from 2 times a week trash pickup to

once a week for trash and once every two weeks for recycling

with yard waste pickup in the alternate weeks.... they hated it, lost money on it, but wanted to remain in business.

I am glad they are... they are the only ones locally not mandating those huge PLASTIC recycling containers....
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My town just decided to stop recycling, ostensibly because only 40% of residents use the service but, considering our mayor is a raging leftist professor elected by students at the university, I’m sure this article had something to do with it. I know the Guardian is a commie rag but this is consistent with what I already thought about recycling anyway and it goes against their agenda so I am inclined to believe it.

Thanks, Guardian. Recycling was a pain in the ass anyway. No more for this house.
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where does your sewer go, with all chemicals in it?...
in europe, no more fish in water....
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Round these parts it is treated and then deep well injection is used to push it down below the aquifer.

not the greatest solution but the fishing is just fine, although not near as good as it was before the chinese set up shop with nets off our coasts during the reign of the halfrican communist.
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short term one...
if water taken was pure, same should be returned to nature....
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My town just decided to stop recycling, ostensibly because only 40% of residents use the service but, considering our mayor is a raging leftist professor elected by students at the university, I’m sure this article had something to do with it. I know the Guardian is a commie rag but this is consistent with what I already thought about recycling anyway and it goes against their agenda so I am inclined to believe it.

Thanks, Guardian. Recycling was a pain in the ass anyway. No more for this house.
 Quoting: Deplorable Revbo™


where does your sewer go, with all chemicals in it?...
in europe, no more fish in water....
 Quoting: 7..X.LePsihoLog


Round these parts it is treated and then deep well injection is used to push it down below the aquifer.

not the greatest solution but the fishing is just fine, although not near as good as it was before the chinese set up shop with nets off our coasts during the reign of the halfrican communist.
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and don't give us this fossil fuel crap.... oil is nowhere near being depleted.


abiotic oil

will post link - oil is NOT from dinosaur bodies....
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[link to www.viewzone.com]



Fossils From Animals And Plants Are Not Necessary For Crude Oil And Natural Gas, Swedish Researchers Find



What would happen if it were proven that "fossil fuels" weren't the result of decaying plant and animal matter, were actually created within the Earth due to simple chemistry and you could not be scared into believing that we were "running out" of oil and natural gas?

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an Environmnental Science teacher told his high school classes over the years -


the only recycling that has any good impact is metal cans. The rest is only training you to be good little recyclers.

one day, maybe it will benefit the planet. but right now it it is a NET HARM.

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Yup, we store the trash above ground in piles and say, "wow, how GOOD is that???"

Much of it has been a scam for twenty years or more once they realized there was no useful market for what they were saving.
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an Environmnental Science teacher told his high school classes over the years -


the only recycling that has any good impact is metal cans. The rest is only training you to be good little recyclers.

one day, maybe it will benefit the planet. but right now it it is a NET HARM.

 Quoting: beeches


Yup, we store the trash above ground in piles and say, "wow, how GOOD is that???"

Much of it has been a scam for twenty years or more once they realized there was no useful market for what they were saving.
 Quoting: Larry D. Croc


I hate this scam.

such a huge amount of energy and resources wasted on the recycling/landfill model.

used to be, a sheltered "job" in recycling was the holy grail for mentally disabled students.... the word retarded is fine, they were that and autistic

then the free-standing recycling sites started being shut down....

they just don't want to say it out loud: this is the wrong path
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It depends on if there is market for whatever is recycled. Some make insulation from recycled newspaper, also put recycled glass in road beds.
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It depends on if there is market for whatever is recycled. Some make insulation from recycled newspaper, also put recycled glass in road beds.
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the issue is that this is done for political, not economic or environmental reasons. The chemical processes and other work involved in recycling paper are NOT beneficial.

Re-use... now that works. Re-use that glass jar. Re-use the newspaper. It has lots of uses in the home.

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In Baltimore County when they started that
shit (right before I escaped from that
shithole state - Maryland) I would make sure
I violated ALL their rules.

I'd put 2 liter bottles of used motor oil
in with the paper.

Toxic chemicals, insecticides, you name it.

The dreaded LEAD and MERCURY.
(we used to play with mercury when we were kids,
and put it down out throats in throat lozenges)

Everything that I could think would give the
eco-nuts a heart-attack (cans of freon - LOL!)

In the recycle bin it went!
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In Baltimore County when they started that
shit (right before I escaped from that
shithole state - Maryland) I would make sure
I violated ALL their rules.

I'd put 2 liter bottles of used motor oil
in with the paper.

Toxic chemicals, insecticides, you name it.

The dreaded LEAD and MERCURY.
(we used to play with mercury when we were kids,
and put it down out throats in throat lozenges)

Everything that I could think would give the
eco-nuts a heart-attack (cans of freon - LOL!)

In the recycle bin it went!

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77990001


guess what? you were smart to show them it does not work


we went from recycling paper in paper bins, glass in glass bins, metal in metal bins...

to SINGLE STREAM RECYCLING.

which is even more of a joke than what you did...

glad you left Maryland!!!
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Like everything else the political left touches, recycling is a corrupt scam that serves no purpose other than to allow for international graft. But if the rest of the world is going to send the US their garbage in human form, its only right that the US reciprocate with actual garbage.
norespect
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ha ha!

great!

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Thanks for the pine !

thanks1
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There were controversial crematoriums somehow producing energy, I'm not sure about using corpses to do it, but couldn't waste incinerators do the same?



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This is the industry I've been in 20+ years.

Most people have no clue how much is landfilled or incinerated.

Metal is a big YES to recycle

Cardboard is a big YES to recycle

I've seen most other "recyclables" moved right on in to the trash.

There is a very low market of buyers of mixed glass and a very low market for mixed plastic.

.....and tires are a nightmare.
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This is the industry I've been in 20+ years.

Most people have no clue how much is landfilled or incinerated.

Metal is a big YES to recycle

Cardboard is a big YES to recycle

I've seen most other "recyclables" moved right on in to the trash.

There is a very low market of buyers of mixed glass and a very low market for mixed plastic.

.....and tires are a nightmare.
 Quoting: Deplorable Azila_Again


thank you for confirming the metal YES

cardboard has been added since


have suspected that recycling is not always done as claimed.

what are your thoughts on incineration?
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There were controversial crematoriums somehow producing energy, I'm not sure about using corpses to do it, but couldn't waste incinerators do the same?



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they already do

some areas are supposedly categorizing waste incineration as a renewable energy (like wind/solar is categorized).
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They export the plastics to some shithole, who probably goes out and illegally dumps it in the ocean. Great job, bleeding hearts! You created a bigger problem by not accepting human nature for what it is.
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They export the plastics to some shithole, who probably goes out and illegally dumps it in the ocean. Great job, bleeding hearts! You created a bigger problem by not accepting human nature for what it is.
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they hate human nature, that is for sure


and make choices with the goal of "changing" us
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Here in Pinellas County we burn all our trash in an incinerator that produces electricity. After burning, metals (steel, aluminum, etc) are mechanically separated from the ash and recycled. There's no real practical need to recycle, yet we still have curbside recycling.
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:dieselgenerator:

:dieselcharger:
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Due to how they operate, running a generator is probably twice (or more) as efficient as burning that fuel in a car's gas engine. So it actually does make sense still, even though you want to laugh.
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In our city, Its a CHEAP way for me to get rid of more trash.
I only have to pay for the NORMAL trash, but the recycle bin is HUGE and holds so much more.

I stopped believing in recycling in the 90s when I watched the city recycle trucks dump all the recycling right next to the trash in the dump.

In not about to waste extra time and water to clean an empty peanut butter jar either...
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Here in Pinellas County we burn all our trash in an incinerator that produces electricity. After burning, metals (steel, aluminum, etc) are mechanically separated from the ash and recycled. There's no real practical need to recycle, yet we still have curbside recycling.
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this makes too much sense for leftist leaders!

something good came out of Clearwater!
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:dieselgenerator:

:dieselcharger:
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Due to how they operate, running a generator is probably twice (or more) as efficient as burning that fuel in a car's gas engine. So it actually does make sense still, even though you want to laugh.
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pwoof pwease

take into account the environmental cost of building two machines when one will do the trick
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I work for a concessionaire in Grand Teton Nat'l Park and they expect us to recycle almost everything.

Lately I've been questioning just how environmentally sound recycling itself is and have concluded that it's a racket just like a whole lot of other industries are
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