Godlike Productions - Discussion Forum
Users Online Now: 2,342 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 1,173,858
Pageviews Today: 1,960,189Threads Today: 809Posts Today: 14,030
06:56 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!

 
ChivalryKnight
The "lost" tribes of Israel=Europe!

User ID: 77602894
United States
09/09/2019 03:36 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
The Church Councils, part 1
All text below per Dr. Stephen Jones weblog (not my own), may you be blessed dear reader.
Aug 29, 2019
While the virgin birth of Jesus was a teaching from the earliest times in the church, it was used mainly to prove the uniqueness of the Messiah without elevating Him to the equal status in a Godhead Trinity. Long before there were any serious discussions about the Godhead status of the Holy Spirit, church leaders pondered the relationship between the Father and His Son.

The first century was dominated by apostolic teaching, and so it retained its Hebrew perspective and viewpoint. But as the gospel achieved greater success among the Greeks than among the J o o s, it was inevitable that sheer numbers would overcome the ability of the church to train them to think outside of their culture. By the first half of the second century, the Hebrew concepts and patterns had succumbed to Greek culture.

Ironically, many church leaders assisted in this process by trying to adapt the gospel to Greek culture and make it more acceptable to their main audience.

In the first 40 years of Christianity, the church in Jerusalem attempted to remain a sect of Judaism. Its main leader, James, was a Nazarite, which meant that he was allowed to enter the sanctuary to pray and intercede for Jerusalem. It was on one of those occasions in 62 A.D., upon exiting the temple, that he was questioned about Jesus. When he gave a positive testimony, the people stoned him to death.

Soon afterward, the Jewish revolt began, and the church escaped to Pella, avoiding the calamity of which Jesus had warned in Matthew 23-25. The destruction of Jerusalem itself settled the question about whether the Old Jerusalem or the New Jerusalem was the capital of Christ’s Kingdom. The Apostle Paul’s view in Galatians 4 prevailed until the 20th century.

The Loss of the Law

When the supremacy of the earthly Jerusalem was discredited, along with its sacrificial system, the law itself began to be discounted and set aside. Fewer and fewer Christians studied the law, leaving Christianity vulnerable to ignorance as to the definition of sin (1 John 3:4). Likewise, its prophetic revelation began to be lost. The great divorce between J o o d i sm and Christianity essentially resulted in a new marriage between the Church and Plato.

Perhaps the most significant loss was the distinction between the Old and New Covenants. They tended to retain the Ten Commandments as a general outline of moral behavior, but they failed to view the Commandments in terms of New Covenant promises. Hence, they “kept” the Commandments as mandates for Christian behavior, much as the people did during Old Testament times. They forgot that “You shall not steal,” when viewed as a promise of God, meant that God Himself took the responsibility upon Himself to change our hearts so that we would not steal.

This led to a religion of works, powered by the Greek emphasis on man’s so-called “free will.” Once every man was made fully responsible for his own salvation, it was easy for the later Church Councils to condemn “heretics” to death, rather than pray that God would reveal the truth to them by the working of the Holy Spirit.

Gnosticism

Meanwhile, Simon Magus, calling himself “The Great Power of God” (Acts 8:10), heard the gospel from Philip, Peter, and John. He was impressed with their power to impart the Holy Spirit to men and with the miracles they performed, so he offered money to acquire the same power. Peter rebuffed him, telling him in Acts 8:21,

21 You have no part or portion to this matter, for your heart is not right before God.

According to early church accounts, Simon then became the chief apostle of a new religion called Gnosticism, in which he challenged the apostles’ authority and their teachings. Because both Simon Magus and Simon Peter had the same name, modern Gnostics claim that they were actually the same man and that Gnosticism was and is the true form of Christianity.

Simon Magus blended the teachings of the Greek, Egyptian, and Persian religion with some elements of Christianity, and it soon became the church’s main rival. If the church had been able to remain on its Hebrew foundation, it may not have been overwhelmed by the Gnostics. Christianity and Gnosticism may have become one and the same, and the apostolic writings would have been lost, altered, or simply reinterpreted in Gnostic terms.

This, in fact, happened with the Gospel of John, which was claimed by the Gnostics as their own quite early. Of course, to do so required serious reinterpretation of key words and concepts, but modern Gnostic teaching shows that they have done this very thing.

John’s concept of the Logos was not so different from the concept first set forth by Heraclitus (535-475 B.C.). He defined it as the organizing force behind an ever-changing universe. A century later, his successors, Plato and Aristotle saw it as the principle that gave life to all creation and the faculty of reason to men.

Plato did not view the demiurge as an evil god but merely as a lesser god who had created matter. Only later (in Gnosticism) did that lesser god take a more devilish persona. Yet the philosophers framed their concept of the Logos within the context of matter being created evil and the soul being spiritual and good. The Gnostics, in fact, said that Yahweh was the evil demiurge responsible for creating such inferior matter. Hence, they drove a wedge between Yahweh and the people, teaching them to pursue a mystical, spiritual existence that was divorced from the biblical God and His “evil” matter.

Philo, the Jewish philosopher from Alexandria in the early first century, blended J o o diasm with Greek philosophy, and many Christians later followed his example. Philo viewed the Logos as an angel of God. He tried to prove that the Hebrew davar (“Word”) was the same as the Greek Logos. While the Hebrew davar was indeed the linguistic equivalent of logos, the philosophical meanings of the terms were quite different.

Further, the idea that a lesser god (the demiurge) was the creator of matter denied the Logos as having anything to do with the creation of the world. After all, how could Divine Reason create something as inferior as matter? So the Greek philosophers did not understand that the earth was created to express the glory of God in a cosmic marriage. They did not believe that the material world could ever bear witness to heaven and to spiritual things as a whole.

Above all, they did not believe that the word could become flesh, as John 1:14 says. Instead, the Gnostics taught that Christ was an emanation of the good Supreme God. As such, He would never take upon Himself a fleshly body. The good God, to them, was opposed to the evil demiurge who had created matter. Hence, Christ had been sent to save us from the clutches of the evil god and to help men separate themselves from evil matter.

The humanity of Christ, then, was denied outright by the Gnostics, who taught that Christ only appeared to have flesh. Yet His flesh was unreal or perhaps other-worldly, an illusion of flesh.

The Gnostics adopted the Greek view of matter and the demiurge, building into their religious system an opposite view of that which is taught in Scripture. Gnosticism held an advantage over Christianity, however, because the Gnostic view was more compatible with Greek assumptions. It was much easier for a pagan Greek to accept Gnosticism than Christianity, as the miraculous signs in Christianity faded over time.

Docetism

The earliest trend in the church was Hellenization, or the adoption of Greek philosophy into Christianity, in much the same manner as had been done earlier in Judaism—particularly among the Sadducees. But the Gnostics had specialized in such Hellenization, so they had reason to claim to be the first and “originals” to receive the “truth.” Hebrew Christianity was seen as lagging behind the times.

The church fathers widely condemned Gnosticism, but as they trended toward Hellenization, they found it more and more difficult to distinguish themselves and to point out their differences with their Gnostic adversaries.

One of the earliest concepts to find root in portions of the church was Docetism, which separated matter from spirit in the nature of Jesus Christ. In other words, it essentially split the nature of Jesus Christ into two distinct parts: human and divine.

It was popularized by Marcion (85-160 A.D.). He taught that Christ was good and was therefore entirely spiritual. Christ only appeared to be physical. Jesus only appeared to need food and clothing, only appeared to become tired and hungry, and only appeared to suffer on the cross. He taught that Jesus was not truly a man but was a spiritual being clothed in the form of man.

We do not know if the Apostle John met Marcion personally, but John died in the year 100, when Marcion was about 15 years old. Marcion developed his philosophy shortly after John died.

About the same time, Cerinthus began to teach that Jesus and Christ were two different beings, one human and the other divine. This was another attempt to explain the nature of Jesus Christ under an assumption of Docetism. To Cerinthus, Jesus was begotten by Joseph and given birth through Mary, while Christ descended upon Him at His baptism. When Jesus was crucified, he said, Christ left Him so that the human Jesus alone experienced death.

The third important deviation from Christianity came through Valentinian (100-160 A.D.), the most popular of the Christian Gnostic teachers. He taught that Jesus descended from heaven in an incorruptible human body, born of the Virgin Mary. The eastern branch of Valentinianism taught that the Christ joined Jesus at His birth and that Christ possessed an incorruptible human body given to Him by the Aeon named Acamoth. The western branch taught that Christ joined Jesus only at His baptism and that it was the evil demiurge that gave Jesus His physical body.

The eastern school of Valentinianism was only partly docetic, while the western school was fully so. Valentinian himself never taught that Christ only appeared to suffer on the cross, so his view was established in the east and was not so different from orthodox Christianity as it developed later. The later Trinitarians found it difficult to distinguish themselves from Valentinianism.

The problem with eastern Valentinianism was that they taught that while Jesus experienced death, Christ experienced only the grief of death. In other words, they maintained docetic thought by continuing to separate Jesus from Christ and to consider each to be a separate and distinct nature, one fleshly and one divine. By contrast, Paul distinguished between spirit, soul, and body but considered them to be three parts of one being.

Docetism itself, being rooted in Greek philosophy, separated body from a spiritual soul, whereas Hebrew thinking distinguished between a fleshly soul and the spirit. The other main difference, of course, was if matter was created inherently evil (Greek) or if matter was good but was invaded by sin afterward. These philosophical differences determined the goal of history and the religious path to attain that goal.

John’s Opposition

All three of these teachings above were rooted in Docetism, which separated matter from spirit and which found it necessary to separate Jesus from Christ. These teachings must have been developing toward the end of John’s life, which caused the apostle to write in 1 John 4:1-3,

1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God; every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

John understood that the Hebrew word basar, “flesh,” also meant “good news; gospel.” To eat the flesh of Jesus (John 6:53) was to believe and assimilate the gospel of Christ. Hence, Gnostic “faith” in a non-flesh Logos is “the spirit of antichrist.”

We see, then, that the spirit of antichrist (in its docetic form), came into the church through the Gnostics, even as in earlier days the spirit of antichrist had followed Absalom’s example in overthrowing the Anointed One and usurping the throne of David. The Jewish version of antichrist, which rejected the Son while claiming to adhere to the Father (1 John 2:22), was but a different form of antichrist from the Gnostic version. Both rejected Christ in their own way.

This is part 1 of a series titled "The Church Councils" To view all parts, click the link below.

The Church Councils

Last Edited by ChivalryKnight on 09/09/2019 03:49 PM
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Jefferson

Laughter is health to the bones so just do it!
ChivalryKnight  (OP)
The "lost" tribes of Israel=Europe!

User ID: 77602894
United States
09/09/2019 03:38 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
The Church Councils, part 2
Aug 31, 2019
As I see it, the church debate regarding Christ’s deity and humanity failed to focus on the real underlying issue. Their arguments did not start with an understanding of Paul’s Hebrew view of spirit, soul, and body but upon the Greek philosophical distinction between spirit and matter. For this reason, the Greek Christian philosophers compared and distinguished Christ’s spiritual nature with His physical humanity.

Paul, on the other hand, compared Adam with Christ, saying in 1 Corinthians 15:45-47,

45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural [psuchikos, “soulish”]; then the spiritual. 47 The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.

If the church had understood the apostle Paul, they would have built their arguments upon his foundation and the tripartite nature of man in general. Adam was “a living soul” and “earthy.” The name Adam literally means “earthy,” for he was named after the earth or ground (adamah). By contrast, the last Adam, Christ, was “spiritual” and “is from heaven.”

The Nicean Creed did set forth that Christ was “begotten, not made,” which reflects this basic understanding of the difference between the two Adams. They understood that Adam was “made,” and that Christ was “begotten.” So far, so good. But when they began to slice Him into two separate beings, Jesus being His humanity, and Christ being His divinity, they immediately began to veer down a Greek philosophical path of dualism and Docetism.

How Many Natures Did Jesus Have?

Jesus Christ is a single Person having spirit, soul, and body—as we all have in common. The primary difference between Him and us is that we were born Adamic, that is, soulish, whereas Christ is spiritual. What does this mean in practical terms? Primarily, it means that in our fleshly identity, we inherited souls in the image of the first Adam, souls that are mortal and corruptible. Christ, however, was begotten by the Spirit, so He was never soulish by nature.

Christ certainly had a soul, but His conscious identity came through His spirit, not His soul.

The same can be said of all who have been begotten by the Spirit and who have transferred their identity from the old man (fleshly soul) to the new man (spirit). Jesus never had to transfer His identity from one entity to another, but all of us must do so, because we were not virgin born.

The key is to be begotten, not made. Our Adamic flesh man was “made,” whereas our new man was “begotten.” As long as we live in human flesh, there are two Persons coexisting in one body. Paul tells us that we ought to be led and instructed by the spiritual man, so that we do not follow the dictates of the old soulish man.

Though we tend to shift our conscious identity back and forth between these two entities, we are really just one person at a time. Legally speaking, we are who we claim to be in the divine court. Having changed our identity, we are no longer the person that our parents brought forth. But being spiritual does not mean we have ceased to have a soul. It is rather that the soul is in submission to the spirit. The soul is subordinate; the spirit is dominant; but each of us is one person.

Hence, it cannot properly be said that when we were begotten by the Spirit, we began to have two natures (spiritual and material) at the same time. We are one or the other, even though both are present. Likewise, Jesus Christ from birth was one Person who had one nature. It was spiritual from the start, even though that nature had been begotten in a material body. When we were begotten from above and became new creatures in Christ, we became like Him.

The Main Issue

Therefore, the argument about the dual nature of Christ, along with the dispute over his deity or humanity, misses the point. Those who make Christ “human” miss the point because they emphasize His physicality without seeing that He was disconnected from Adam. Those who argued for Christ’s deity, downplaying His humanity, split His Person-hood into two separate entities, thus straying from the truth that He was spirit, soul, and body like all of us.

In other words, their dispute was over the issue of human vs. deity and physical vs. spiritual, when they should have been discussing Adam vs. Christ and soulish vs. spiritual.

It all started with His virgin birth, for this alone separated Him from Adam, insofar as His nature is concerned. While it is true that His mother was Adamic, the penalty for Adam’s sin has always been passed down through the seed of the male, not through the female. Hence, Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:22, “as in Adam all die,” even though Eve sinned first.

Two Main Laws of Sonship

By failing to comprehend the real issue, the early church lost the understanding of sonship. They continued to use terminology of sonship, but they did not know the laws on which it was based. Sonship is based primarily on two laws: (1) “after its kind” in Genesis 1:21, which means that fathers beget children in their likeness; and (2) the law of authority, based on the Fifth Commandment, “Honor your father and your mother” in Deuteronomy 5:16, which establishes the subordination of a son to his father.

Hence, when Jesus claimed to be the Son of God and, conversely, claimed that God was His Father, He was placing Himself in subjection to His Father in accordance with the law. Likewise, He was also in the image and likeness of His Father, because the spiritual seed that had begotten Him in the Virgin Mary guaranteed that He was a perfect fractal of His heavenly Father.

We too are (or are destined to be) fractals of our heavenly Father, for “when He appears, we shall be like Him” (1 John 3:2). Therefore, John says, we are not to practice lawlessness (1 John 3:4), as if we were still in the image of Adam. True sons of God are those who think like their heavenly Father, agree with His plan insofar as they are able to comprehend it, and do only what their heavenly Father does. In this way, we both praise and honor our Father. We honor our mother by acknowledging the New Covenant, living by faith in the promises of God.
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Jefferson

Laughter is health to the bones so just do it!
ChivalryKnight  (OP)
The "lost" tribes of Israel=Europe!

User ID: 77602894
United States
09/09/2019 03:41 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
The Church Councils, part 3
Aug 31, 2019
By viewing the soul as spiritual rather than fleshly (carnal), most early church leaders after the first century strayed from the apostle Paul’s understanding of the nature of man. This also interfered with their understanding of the nature of Jesus Christ. John 3:6 says,

6 That which is born of flesh [i.e., natural childbirth] is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

All of us (in our flesh) were begotten by mortal, corruptible seed from our earthly fathers. Hence, we are in need of a second begetting from the Spirit, leading ultimately to a second birth through our New Covenant mother at the fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles. Jesus is unique in that He was not begotten naturally. He had no need for a second begetting. The rest of us must follow a two-step process in order to be “born again.”

Christians have always had difficulty understanding how to be children of God. Carnal religion has told them that as long as they are members in good standing in the community (by which they mean their particular denomination), they are “saved” and are genuine children of God. In other words, it is the organization that is saved, and we, as individuals, must join it to participate in that salvation. The problem is that denominational membership does little or nothing to change one’s heart. Neither can the church beget Christ in anyone, for it is fleshly and can only beget more flesh.

The church’s lack of understanding has produced countless soulish believers who remain in the image of Adam in his fallen state. By confusing soul and spirit, men continue in their soulish identity and thus attempt to be saved by flesh, by their own will, and by fleshly good works and religious rituals.

The fourth century church was caught up in the belief that salvation depended upon their adherence to the creeds passed by a majority vote in their Councils. These Councils were anything but spiritual. None of them advocated a spiritual rebirth. They divided believers from unbelievers, orthodox from unorthodox, according to the credal standard of the day. Hence, many people who were not begotten by the Spirit became religious leaders according to their mental and philosophical abilities as well as their ability to raise funds.

The Law of False Images of God

The Ten Commandments were given to the people by the direct voice of God coming from the Mount (Deuteronomy 4:11, 12, 13). However, the people were frightened by His voice and ran from it (Exodus 20:18, 19). They begged for a mediator to hear God and to then tell them what God had said. They were thus unable to be begotten by the word (davar, or logos) and received the rest of the law only through the mouth of Moses.

The pattern was thus set for the church, which received with trembling the Ten Commandments but which soon forgot the rest of the law. Few believers since then could remember even the next two laws that were given when Moses came down from the Mount. Exodus 20:21-23 says,

21 So the people stood at a distance, while Moses approached the thick cloud where God was. 22 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘You yourselves have seen that I have spoken to you from heaven. 23 You shall not make other gods besides Me; gods of silver or gods of gold, you shall not make for yourselves’.”

This combines the first two commandments into one, forbidding the people to create gods in their own image (understanding, perception). Our view of God must be by revelation from Him, letting God reveal His own nature and character to us through His word. But when men build gods of silver and gold, they use their own creativity to express their opinions of His nature.

The problem is that one’s carnal soul is incapable of comprehending spiritual things on its own (1 Corinthians 2:14). The soul must receive its information by revelation from the spirit, which in turn is inspired and filled with the Holy Spirit. In other words, let God speak for Himself. Let not our souls put words in His mouth, for that can only create another carnal religion.

The Law of Altar Building

The second law supplements the first, establishing true worship. Exodus 20:24, 25 says,

24 You shall make an altar of earth [adamah] for Me, and you shall sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your oxen; in every place where I cause My name to be remembered, I will come to you and bless you. 25 And if you make an altar of stone for Me, you shall not build it of cut stones, for if you wield [nuwf, “shake up and down, wave, agitate”] your tool [chereb, “cutting instrument”] on it, you will profane it.

In a New Covenant context, your heart is your altar. The law above tells us that it is the place where God’s name is remembered. God’s name is now in our foreheads (Revelation 22:4), for we are now the temples of God (1 Corinthians 3:16) housing the presence of God. So this law establishes the proper way to build one’s own heart-altar so that one may worship Him and remember His name (i.e., know His nature and character).

An “altar of earth” is an altar of adamah, showing that the altar is adamic, or human. It is an earthly place of worship, a place of spiritual revelation coming into the earth, so that the earth might be a perfect image and double witness reflecting the glory of God.

If the altar is to be made of stones, they must be shaped naturally by God’s action, rather than hewn by men’s tools. The word translated “tool” is chereb, a cutting instrument, such as a sword, knife, or axe. Its root word is charab, “to desolate, lay waste, attack, slay, fight.” To use a carnal tool to shape altar stones into something outwardly beautiful only pollutes the altar. Man cannot shape the altar of his own heart without polluting it, for only the Holy Spirit has the power to change the heart.

So when Solomon built the temple, he instructed the workmen to shape all of the stones offsite. 1 Kings 6:7 says,

7 And the house, while it was being built, was built of stone prepared at the quarry, and there was neither hammer [maqqabah] nor axe nor any iron tool heard in the house while it was being built.

This was an innovative interpretation and application of the law of building altars. One may question his wisdom and interpretation of the law, but in his early days, Solomon was indeed wise in the ways of God (1 Kings 4:29, 30, 31). So we must assume that his instructions were given according to the leading of the Spirit.

By shaping the stones at the quarry, and not on the temple site itself, the temple itself could be built of stone without looking rough. The inside of the sanctuary was cedarwood, overlaid with gold (1 Kings 6:22), so that the outer stone walls could not be seen from the inside (1 Kings 6:18, 36). Hence, the stones provided stability without actually forming a part of the temple as viewed from the inside.

The altar of sacrifice in the outer court was of bronze (2 Chronicles 4:1), not stone.

The Altar Built by the Church

In practice, man-made worship attempts to change men’s hearts (and opinions) by the use of force. Those who do not comply with men’s religious viewpoints are then attacked and even killed for not submitting to man-made religion. This was precisely the problem seen in the fourth-century church when the Councils used their carnal tools to build the altars of the church. Instead of allowing the Holy Spirit to change men’s hearts, they attacked one another with every carnal tool at their disposal in order to force the opposing side to accept their religious views about the nature of God.

This was a clear violation of the law.

The Council of Nicea convened in 325 to settle the dispute between Arius and Alexander. The star of the show, however, was Alexander’s student, Athenasius, who was called “The Hammer of Orthodoxy.” Athenasius was known for his bad temper and forceful methods. In his character he was anything but a saint, but to the church he is revered as a hero, as this Catholic blog says:

True heroes never go up–no matter the odds stacked against them! Among the greatest heroes of the Christian faith is St. Athanasius. As bishop of Alexandria, he led the Catholic Church against the sinister and alluring heresy of Arianism in the 4th century A.D. Known as the “Father of Orthodoxy” for his unifying efforts during frequent death threats and five times being exiled, St. Athanasius is a saint that provides me hope amid stormy seasons of my life. The power of the Holy Spirit is demonstrated through this sainted bishop’s timeless and ever relevant writings, especially his On the Incarnation of the Word.

[link to thesimplecatholic.blog (secure)]

More than anyone in that time, Athenasius truly represents a hammer being used to build the altar of God by which men might worship on the foundation of so-called “truth.” The problem was that he did not understand the law but thought that he could shape the altar-hearts of men by the tools of men. Political attacks, force, bribery, and threats of death and excommunication were accepted tools in those days to shape church doctrines.

The Hammer in those days succeeded in forcing Christians to worship at the polluted altar, and this has affected the church to this day.

Even prior to this, the J o o s themselves had their own “hammer” who had set the precedent in the second century before Christ. The Hasmonean priests who first overthrew Syrians and then the Idumeans (Edomites) were known as the Maccabees, from the Hebrew word maqqabah, “hammer.” (See 1 Kings 6:7, quoted earlier.)

Their conquest of Edom resulted in the forcible conversion of the Edomites to J o o diasm. Their hearts were shaped by human tools, causing them to accept a religious viewpoint, but they still did not know the God of Israel. These J o o ish Idumeans were at the forefront of the J o o ish Revolt (67-73 A.D.), which resulted in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. The revolt ended when Rome took Masada, the last Idumean stronghold, at Passover of 73 A.D.

Divine judgment thus fell upon J o o diasm. If the people had truly known God, they would have submitted to the Romans, whose rule had been prophesied by Daniel in terms of the “iron” kingdom. But their hearts were rebellious, and they grew impatient with God’s judgment. By not submitting to the ruling in the divine court, given through Jeremiah, there was needless death and destruction, disruption and exile, heartache and oppression.

Unfortunately, the church followed the same lawless path, for they too were ignorant of the law of building altars. Yet we are now at the dawn of a new era, where we have opportunity to build the Kingdom on new foundations. Let us be wise, following the instructions laid down by the law and the Master Builder Himself.

This is part 3 of a series titled "The Church Councils" To view all parts, click the link below.

The Church Councils

Last Edited by ChivalryKnight on 09/09/2019 04:12 PM
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Jefferson

Laughter is health to the bones so just do it!
ChivalryKnight  (OP)
The "lost" tribes of Israel=Europe!

User ID: 77602894
United States
09/09/2019 03:43 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
The Church Councils, part 4
Sep 04, 2019
The church in the second and third centuries was divided in its opinions as regarding the nature of Christ and His relationship to the Father. (The position of the Holy Spirit had not yet taken a prominent role in the disputes.)

Bishop Alexander of Alexandria (Egypt) had adopted and developed Origen’s idea of the “eternal generation” of the Son. Origen had taught that “the creative activity of God, which was produced by the Son and the created world was outside of time” (The God of Jesus, Kegan A. Chandler, p. 166). In fact, rather than seeing the ages of time as being one of God’s good creations, as H e b roos 1:2 tells us, he eliminated time in favor of a timeless “now.” Hence, to him all creation existed in a timeless present.

In that context of timelessness, Origen spoke about “the eternal sonship” of Christ, casting aside all notions of time back to the generation of the Logos as well as beyond it. The effect was that the “begotten” Son of God lost His point of origination. An “eternal begetting” was a contradiction in terms, but by His Greek philosophical mindset, this was explained as a mystical paradox. The Hebrew mindset would have considered it to be nonsense.

Respecting Time and Space

Hebrews 1:2 speaks of “His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world [aion, “the age”].” In other words, time was created by the Father through Christ. It was therefore part of the creation that He later pronounced “very good” (Genesis 1:31). Neither matter nor time is evil.

Origen was heavily influenced by Greek thought. Chandler tells us, “Origen, like the Gnostics, had evidently adopted the Platonic view that matter was not only inherently imperfect, but that it was even a disgusting pollution” (The God of Jesus, p. 174). So also he denied the existence of time in a philosophical way, as if denying God’s creation would honor Him. The same attitude toward time is seen in some today.

While it is certainly possible, when moving by the Spirit, to transcend both time and space (or distance), we are not to despise any of God’s creation but to rule it with integrity and respect. The entire Sabbath system and the Jubilee Calendar in Scripture depends upon the creation of time. It forms the basis of prophecy. Jesus did not violate the Sabbath, as the J o o s thought, but was its Lord (Luke 6:5) and the Lord of Time as a whole. Though He ruled time, He did not despise it.

Judgment time cycles cannot be breached, although men and nations may certainly lessen the negative effects of divine judgment by repentance and by submitting to the just sentences.

Likewise, both Elijah and Philip transcended space (distance) when Elijah outran the chariot of King Ahab from Mount Carmel to Jezreel (1 Kings 18:46) and Philip was translocated to Azotus (Acts 8:39, 40). Yet these were exceptions, for under normal circumstances, both had to walk to get to their destinations. Both had respect for time and space.

The Greeks despised the material creation, and Origen took this a logical step further by despising time as well. This was the foundation of his idea of “eternal begetting.” It was an attempt to explain the perfection of the Son within the context of evil matter. If the Son was begotten at the beginning, how could He have an origination point without being somehow connected to “evil” matter?

Origen’s solution was to theorize an “eternal begetting,” which is like teaching about timeless time, black whiteness, or immaterial matter. The inherent contradiction then took on the air of spiritual philosophy, and only those who were unspiritual would disagree. It is not so different from the story of the emperor’s new clothes, which were in fact no clothes at all. It was proclaimed that only good men could see his new clothes. Hence, everyone admired his new clothes, even though the emperor was, in fact, naked.

The Controversy

Origen had been a presbyter from Alexandria, Egypt. A century later Alexander, the bishop at the same church, built upon Origen’s terminology. He began teaching that Christ’s Sonship had been for all eternity. This led to the idea that the Father and Son were “consubstantial” (Greek: homoousios, “same substance”), which established the philosophical basis for what later became known as the coequal and coeternal Trinity.

Personally, I have no objection to the term, as long as it is defined according to what Jesus said about Himself. For instance, if I say that my son and I are “of the same substance,” it does not mean that he and I are the same person but are made of the same flesh and blood. Applying it to Jesus, who was begotten by spiritual seed by His heavenly Father, we can see that Jesus was indeed “of the same substance” as His Father.

After all, that is part of the meaningful revelation of a Father-Son relationship. However, the philosophical and religious meaning of words can go beyond its simple definition. In this case, the word was defined to mean that the Father and son were one Person, obliterating the long-held distinction between the Father and the Son.

Now Arius was a presbyter from Libya serving the church at Baucalis. He objected to Bishop Alexander’s innovative teaching. Arius insisted that “the only true God” of Jesus (John 17:3) was the only God that was truly eternal and that He had created a Son in the realm of time before creating the rest of the world. He used Colossians 1:15 as proof that the Son was “the firstborn of all creation,” and that the Son was on the order of an angelic being who later was incarnated as Jesus of Nazareth.

The Arian view came to be summarized this way: “If Jesus is the Son of God, then there was a time when He was not.” His main problem, in my view, was that he used the term “created,” rather than begotten. Furthermore, he believed that the Son was created ex nihilo, “out of nothing,” which contradicted Tertullian, but which actually was a position that later became settled theology in the church.

In my view, God created all things ek autou, “out of Himself” (Romans 11:36). This ought not to be taken in a Pantheistic sense. It does not mean that we are God, but rather that the Creator God fills all things and therefore has a personal stake in all creation. What we feel, He feels. Because it all goes through Him and back to Him in the end, as Paul says, He must therefore reconcile all creation. Failing to accomplish this goal would render Him incomplete for eternity.

At any rate, Arius was outspokenly defiant, and his views were widely accepted. About 320 A.D. Bishop Alexander found it necessary to excommunicate him for insubordination and heresy. The controversy, however, only intensified, as it usually does when a clash of doctrines is met with pride and brute force rather than humility and prayerful reasoning.

The Council of Nicea

The Arian controversy threatened the unity of the church and with it the Roman Empire itself. The Emperor Constantine, along with his fellow caesars, Licinius and Galerius, had issued the Edict of Toleration in 311 A.D., followed two years later by the Edict of Milan which legalized Christianity. These ended the persecutions under the previous administration of Diocletian.

Neither of these edicts would have been made apart from Constantine’s insistence. He himself was of the royal family in Britain. His mother, Helena of York, was an avid Christian, though her husband, Constantius, was not. Constantine himself had publicly adopted Christianity in 312, as he said, after his vision of the cross, by which he won the Battle of the Milvian Bridge. This was the point where he departed from his father’s paganism and adopted his mother’s Christianity.

Of course, as Emperor, he still believed that he had the right to make war and to execute those who plotted against him or who were insubordinate. Hence, his religion hardly meets with approval from our present perspective. Nonetheless, the Christians in his day were very grateful for what he did for them in stopping the reign of terror under Diocletian.

Constantine’s “toleration” was less than ideal at times, since he was tolerant only to the point where the empire’s unity was not being threatened. He called for his first Christian councils in 314, 315, and 316 A.D. to deal with the Donatist controversy in hopes of uniting the church. When the councils ruled against the Donatists, the Donatists refused to give up their churches, and Constantine then enforced the ruling of the councils with brute force.

In the midst of this, the Arian controversy began about 315 A.D., and eventually, Constantine convened the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D. to try to establish Christian truth and force it upon all who disagreed with the established creed. There was no real freedom of conscience. The love of God was defined in religious terms (creeds), rather than as one’s relationship with God. In the end, love was sacrificed on the altar of church unity, and the emperor forced everyone to worship at that altar.

The Council of Nicea was attended by only a handful of churchmen. It was far from “universal,” yet the church later claimed that it was the first ecumenical (universal) council of the Catholic Church. That was hardly true, for there were others that were far more “universal,” including the Council of Rimini-Seleucia in 359, attended by more than 500 bishops from both East and West. It actually adopted the Arian creed, and so in later years when the tide again turned, it lost its ecumenical status along with its orthodoxy.

Many have thought that the Council of Nicea established the Trinity, but that is not the case. The Council made the Father and Son coequal and coeternal (Binitarian Theology). The main proof text used by Athenasius, “The Hammer,” was John 10:30, where Jesus said, “I and My Father are one.” Instead of interpreting this as being one in purpose or of one mind, Athenasius insisted that it meant that Father and Son were one Person. This violated Jesus’ other words, where He always deferred to His Father (John 5:19, 20) and said that His Father was greater (John 14:28).

Decades later, the Holy Spirit was added to make a Trinity. That Council only made brief mention of the Holy Spirit, saying, “We believe in the Holy Spirit,” a statement which was agreed upon by all. It was not until 381 at the Council of Constantinople that the Trinity, including the Holy Spirit, was established as orthodox truth.

The term homoousios to describe the Father-Son relationship had already been condemned in 268 by the Council of Antioch, for it had been used and defined in an earlier Gnostic writing entitled Poimandres. This writing taught that Nous, “Mind, Intellect,” i.e., the Supreme God was said to be homoousios with His Son, the Logos.

Arius himself argued against the use of the term on the grounds that it had been promoted by Mani (the founder of Manicheanism) and Valentinus, who had already been condemned and exiled earlier as a heretic.

Hence, when Constantine suggested its use at the Nicene Council in 325, the word was met with much criticism by those who dared to oppose the emperor. Athenasius took Constantine’s suggestion and became the apostle of homoousios during the Council itself. Hence, the official creed read:

“We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one substance [homoousios] with the Father.”

Even so, Athenasius refused to use the word for next fifteen years, which suggests that he had doubts about his own creed. Constantine died in 335, and the Council of Antioch in 341 made changes to the Athenasian Creed, dropping the word homoousios. That Council also changed “true God from true God” (whatever that meant) to a simple and ambiguous “God from God,” which did not offend the Subordinationists of the day.

The Council of Sardica in 343 drew up a new creed without using homoousios.

This is part 4 of a series titled "The Church Councils" To view all parts, click the link below.

The Church Councils
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Jefferson

Laughter is health to the bones so just do it!
ChivalryKnight  (OP)
The "lost" tribes of Israel=Europe!

User ID: 77602894
United States
09/09/2019 03:48 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
The Church Councils, part 5
Sep 05, 2019
The fourth-century church conflict between the “Orthodox” and the Arians continued long after the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D. That council obtained a political victory and forced many to conform to a creed that they did not believe in their hearts. Unity remained an illusion.

Perhaps part of the problem was that Constantine himself personally concurred with the Arians, even though his desire for political unity caused him to side with the majority opinion. Just before he died in 337, he was baptized by an Arian bishop, Eusebius of Nicomedia, a bishop who had been exiled until 329 for his vigorous defense of Arius at the Council.

Constantine’s son, Constantius II, succeeded him and ruled openly as an Arian from 337-361. In the midst of this continuing controversy, the place and role of the Holy Spirit arose, which only added fuel to the fire.

The distinct Person-hood of the Holy Spirit did not form any part of early Christian theology, but the Binitarian creed established at Nicea raised the question about the Holy Spirit. Some began to promote the Holy Spirit as a third member of the Godhead, to which many said, “Oh no, not another one!”

The Holy Spirit Joins the Godhead

The earliest extended statement about the Holy Spirit came through the Dedication Creed of 341. Even so, it was not until the 350’s that the issue was seriously debated. In 357 Athenasius “The Hammer,” who was in exile for the third time, wrote his Letter on the Holy Spirit defending the Holy Spirit’s position in a Trinity.

Others then took up the banner for the next 20 years. The Cappadocian Fathers refined the terminology established at Nicea by distinguishing between hypostasis and ousia. They argued that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were three hypostasis (which they defined as Persons) within a single ousia (essence, or substance). These Fathers openly lauded Greek polytheism for having preserved this “truth” of the plurality of Hypostases.

This innovation was not something Athenasius wanted to see, for it violated his own post-Nicean terms. He had taught that hypostasis and ousia were synonymous. Yet because the final result was the elevation of the Holy Spirit to the Trinitarian Godhead, he went along with it for the sake of unity. So it came to be established that the Godhead was a mystical “diversity-in unity and unity-in-diversity.”

A New Mystery Religion

The more they parsed words and redefined their Greek terms, the more mystifying their creeds became. The average person could not comprehend how three Gods could remain monotheistic. Were there three Gods in one, or one God in three? Were these three Persons or three distinct manifestations of a single God-Person? Was this a family of Gods in unity of purpose or a single God in more than one place at a time?

The complexity of Christian theology made it difficult to explain sensibly to the public. Athenasius himself, wrote in his Letter on the Holy Spirit,

“If one were to enquire… how is it really a Trinity if the three are depicted as one? … Let such an enquirer begin by separating the radiance from the light, or wisdom from the one who is wise, or else let him say himself how these things can be. But if this cannot be done, then how much more is it the presumption of insane people to enquire into these things with respect to God?” (The God of Jesus, p. 214)

In other words, the average Christian would have to be “insane” to think he could possibly understand the nature of the Godhead. The implication is that only the highly intelligent theologians could hope to understand these paradoxical mysteries. Please just accept our view of the Godhead, even if you are incapable of understanding it. If you question it, you are insane.

As time passed, Christianity became increasingly a mystery religion, where one must advance by degrees through the priesthood to arrive at the Final Truth hidden at the top. When men dared to question the validity of the Councils, where men threatened and bribed their fellow bishops to procure the votes necessary to establish their creeds, they were told to accept what more capable churchmen were teaching. In other words, follow our religion. The right to hear God’s voice for one’s self and to be taught directly by the Holy Spirit was removed from the people if their revelation differed from the established creed.

The Old Testament Holy Spirit

The “Spirit of God” was revealed as early as Genesis 1:2, but Moses did not try to explain the nature of that Spirit. The term “Holy Spirit” was later used three times (Psalm 51:11; Isaiah 63:10, 11). Yet perhaps the most significant term used by the prophets was nacham, a verb meaning “to comfort, console, repent, have compassion, be moved with pity.” This is why Jesus later used the term Comforter (John 14:16 KJV), translated “Helper” in the NASB.

The meaning of the term evolved over time from a personal assistant to give aid and comfort into a more formal, legal term applied to the one in authority who was responsible to protect them from harm. If injustice was done to them, the comforter was responsible to defend them in a court of law and to see to it that they received restitution for their losses.

In other words, a comforter was the kinsman redeemer, usually mistranslated as the avenger of blood or the revenger of blood. The kinsman redeemer was not out for revenge (as the term is often used today) but was a defender of rights and of justice in a proper court of law. The Hebrew term nacham (comfort) and naqam (revenge) are homonyms, which the prophets often associate as near synonyms. Hence, the people are forbidden from taking revenge and to leave revenge to God alone (Leviticus 19:18; Deuteronomy 32:35; Romans 12:19-21).

Why? Because men’s emotions and lack of objectivity get in the way of genuine justice. God’s “vengeance” is true justice, which is not without mercy, for it is limited by the law of Jubilee. The justice of men is usually too harsh, especially when they are the victims of injustice, because emotion overpowers love and thereby departs from the standard of God’s own nature.

Jesus presented the Holy Spirit as a Paracletos, “Comforter,” which in its legal context, was an Advocate or counsel for defense in a court of law. Gesenius’ Lexicon defines it:

“One who pleads another’s cause before a judge, a pleader, counsel for defense, legal assistant, an advocate.”

[link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)]

In biblical law, the kinsman redeemer was that counsel for defense, or defense attorney. So when Jesus ascended, He did not leave His disciples “orphans” (having no kinsman redeemer to advocate for them), but sent the Holy Spirit to them as “another Comforter” to replace Him.

What Jesus said about the Holy Spirit

Jesus said little about the Holy Spirit until the final hours before going to the cross. Jesus had far more to say about Himself and His relationship with the Father, and He admonished His disciples to believe “that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me” (John 14:11). But then He began to speak of the Holy Spirit in John 14:16-18,

16 I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper [or Comforter], that He may be with you forever; 17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

The term “Comforter” was a masculine term in Greek grammar, and so the personal pronoun “He” is usually used by the translators. But one cannot use this pronoun to prove that the Holy Spirit is a Person. But by the same reasoning, it cannot be asserted that the Holy Spirit is a lifeless “it” with no personality. Since the Holy Spirit was Jesus’ replacement, it can be said that the Holy Spirit is as much a Person as Jesus was and is. Likewise, one can grieve the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4:30), and Jesus takes it personally when one blasphemes the Holy Spirit (Luke 12:10).

As we saw in the case of Jesus in His pre-existent state, a “Person” is defined, not as having flesh and blood (or a physical brain), but as having life and a conscious identity. Hence, Jesus Christ was a Person long before His incarnation at Bethlehem. Yet He was distinct from His Father, “the only true God” (as Jesus called Him in John 17:3).

If the Holy Spirit was “another Helper” (or Comforter) in Christ’s absence and in His stead, then it stands to reason that He took Jesus’ subordinate position in assisting us. In other words, the Holy Spirit is not part of a Trinitarian Godhead but is rather another Being subordinate to the Father. The main difference is that Jesus Christ was flesh and blood, whereas the Holy Spirit is spirit. This, Jesus said, was actually an advantage, for He said in John 16:7,

7 But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper shall not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.

In fact, it appears that the Holy Spirit is technically subordinate to Christ Himself, even as Christ is subordinate to His Father. Jesus said of the Holy Spirit in John 16:14, “He shall glorify Me,” even as He glorified His Father (John 17:4). It is the place of subordinates to glorify the One in authority over them, so that they may receive praise and glory as well.

The Spirit of Truth

The overall mission of the Holy Spirit is set forth in John 16:13, 14,

13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14 He will glorify Me; for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.

Jesus is the Truth (John 14:6), and the Holy Spirit glorifies Jesus by guiding us into all the truth that characterizes Jesus Himself. How does the Spirit of truth glorify Jesus? He does so by not speaking on His own initiative, just as Jesus Himself glorified His Father by not speaking on His own initiative (John 5:30; 8:28). Jesus spoke only what He heard His Father say, and likewise, the Spirit of truth speaks only what He hears Jesus say.

The same Holy Spirit that filled Solomon’s temple with the presence of God is the Spirit that now indwells our own temple-bodies. In the Old Testament, the Holy Spirit was seen as the Father’s presence; in Romans 8:9 and in 1 Peter 1:11 we are told that the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit is synonymous with “the Spirit of Christ.”

When we are filled with the Spirit, we can expect to be guided into all the truth, if indeed we learn to hear His voice without idols of the heart leading us astray. The Spirit did not lead us into another mystery religion, where the knowledge of God and His nature are so complex, paradoxical, or downright contradictory that they cannot be known by the average person.

Both Jesus and the Holy Spirit came to reveal the only true God, so that we would be able to pattern our lives after His nature and thereby to glorify Him. In my view, we ought to recognize the Holy Spirit as the agent of Jesus Christ, even as Jesus Christ is the agent of the only true God.

This is part 5 of a series titled "The Church Councils" To view all parts, click the link below.

The Church Councils
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Jefferson

Laughter is health to the bones so just do it!
ChivalryKnight  (OP)
The "lost" tribes of Israel=Europe!

User ID: 77602894
United States
09/09/2019 03:49 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
The Church Councils, part 6
Sep 06, 2019
Constantine’s conversion to Christianity brought a peculiar problem to the church for which it had no prior experience: political power. The Christian power brokers did not heed Jesus’ words about the proper use of authority, nor did they believe that authority was the power to be a servant. Hence, they used power to enforce religious creeds which in turn were established by the best carnal minds money could buy.

Even so, genuine Christian teaching was not fully extinct, even though the flow of history was quickly washing it away. Church historian, Philip Schaff tells us,

“But intelligent church leaders like Athanasius, Hosius, and Hilary, gave their voice for toleration, though even mean particularly toleration for orthodoxy, for the sake of which they themselves had been deposed and banished by the Arian power. Athanasius says, for example: ‘Satan, because there is no truth in him, breaks in with axe and sword. But the Saviour is gentle, and forces no one, to whom he comes, but knocks and speaks to the soul: Open to me, my sister. If we open to him, he enters; but if we will not, he departs. For the truth is not preached by sword and dungeon, by the might of an army, but by persuasion and exhortation.” (History of the Christian Church, Vol. III, p. 39)

Having been deposed and exiled by an Arian emperor, even Athenasius himself seems to have learned a lesson in religious toleration. As long as Arians ruled the empire, they also ruled the church. Power tempts men to abandon the Golden Rule about doing unto others as you would have them do unto you.

The more Christianity gained the power of empire, the less it seemed to resemble the humble ministry of Jesus and His apostles. Religion replaced relationship, unity raped love, and confessions to the latest creed replaced faith as the litmus test of salvation. Both freedom of conscience and the right to hear God’s voice became classed as heresy.

Constantius, the son of Constantine, was an Arian emperor who persecuted non-Arians, destroyed and robbed pagan temples, gave the booty to the church, and even made it the death penalty to make a pagan sacrifice or worship their images. He ruled from Constantinople (now Istanbul), but when he visited Rome in 357 for the first time and seeing how utterly pagan the city was, he abandoned any further attempt to enforce his own laws against paganism.

Perhaps then he understood his father’s motive in abandoning Rome and building a new city without pagan temples and idols. In Rome, Constantius was polite enough to visit the pagan temples, permitted them to sacrifice, and confirmed privileges upon the pagan priests.

Julian the Apostate

Constantius died in 361 and was succeeded by his nephew, Julian, who had seen firsthand the abuses in the church. These abuses had caused him to reject Christianity altogether by 351, when he was just 20 years old, but he wisely kept his apostasy hidden. In 355 he went to Athens, where he was initiated into the Eleusinian mysteries, and this completed his transition from Christianity to paganism. Even so, his initiation remained hidden from the public.

When Julian came to the throne in 361, however, he finally had the power to be openly pagan without endangering his life. He ruled only 18 months and showed himself to be a brilliant military commander, a great intellectual with great executive ability, and having good moral character that far exceeded most emperors, Christian or pagan. But he was bitterly opposed to Christianity and made it his life’s mission to reinstate the worship of the Roman gods.

Julian understood also that pagan religions were as corrupt as Christianity. He thus attempted to reform paganism with the best precepts of Christian morality and to reduce its excesses. His pagan reformation soon made him enemies among the pagan priests. Julian discovered too late that the religion he sought to revive was morally worse than the Christianity he sought to repress.

Julian’s attack on Christianity actually took the form of religious toleration rather than open persecution. He had already seen firsthand that religious persecution did not work, so his tactic was to legalize paganism, along with all of the various factions of Christianity. He legalized all of the factions that had been suppressed since the Council of Nicea—the Arians, Apollinarians, Novatians, Macedonians, and Donatists.

During his short reign, competing denominations were given equal standing under the law. For this he was castigated by the Orthodox Christians who insisted that there was only “One Church,” that is, one creed to which all must subscribe regardless of conscience. Julian died on June 27, 363. He was buried along with the final chance for the revival of paganism.

The Return of Orthodoxy

The death of Julian ended the rule of the Constantinian family. Julian was succeeded by Jovian, a Christian general, who was chosen by his army. He ruled only eight months and was succeeded by Valentinian (364-375), who ruled from Constantinople but gave the city of Rome to his brother Valens. When Valentinian died in 375, his two sons, Valentinian II and Gracian, became co-rulers of the Western Empire.

Valens, who ruled the Eastern Empire, was killed in the Battle of Adrianople on August 9, 378, a disastrous battle against the Goths, Alans, and Huns. Two-thirds of the Eastern Roman Army was killed, and it marked the beginning of the end of the Roman Empire itself. It also changed church history forever.

Valens had no sons, so Gracian (in the East) appointed Theodosius to lead the army to defend the empire from the “barbarians.” This gave Theodosius the military power to become the eastern emperor in 379. Theodosius in the East and Gracian in the West agreed in 380 to make Orthodox Christianity the official religion of Rome.

They ended the public support for pagan temples, confiscated temple properties, and withdrew privileges of pagan priests. Paganism then became fully dependent upon voluntary offerings from the people. In the midst of this reformation, Theodosius called for another Church Council to establish once and for all the doctrine of the Trinity.

The Council of Constantinople

On February 27, 380 Theodosius, together with Gracian and Valentinian II, issued the Edict of Thessalonica, declaring Trinitarian Christianity to be the only legitimate imperial religion and the only creed entitled to the label “Catholic.” All who opposed he called “foolish madmen.”

Later that year, on November 26, he arrived in Constantinople, expelling the Arian bishop, Demophilus and replaced him with Gregory of Nazianzus, one of the Cappadocian Fathers. Keep in mind that this Gregory, along with his contemporary, Gregory of Nyassa, was an avowed Universalist, believing that God would save all men in the end, though most through judgments. Such universalist beliefs were still part of orthodoxy at the time and would not be questioned for another 20 years.

The gentle Gregory only reluctantly accepted the position as bishop of Constantinople, noting that Theodosius’ entry into the city resembled that of a hostile conqueror. Nonetheless, because he was a genuine Trinitarian, he was able to be true to himself in the difficult job of transforming the Arian church of that city into what was now being defined as Orthodoxy. The Trinitarian view in Constantinople was held by only a tiny minority.

In May 381 Theodosius summoned the Council of Constantinople to ratify his earlier Edict of Thessalonica, making the Trinity the main bulwark of Orthodoxy. While many claim that this Council was called to re-establish the Nicene Creed, it actually went beyond it. The Nicene Creed only established Binitarianism, while Trinitarian views began to be promoted two decades later. With the Council of Constantinople in 381, Trinitarian theology was fully established, and anyone holding alternate views were subject to the death penalty.

The fact is that it was Theodosius, not the bishops at the Council, who established the Trinity in 380 A.D. The Council was called in 381 to ratify the emperor’s belief. The bishops had already witnessed the emperor’s fanatical intolerance and his willingness to use brutal force. To vote against the Trinity might have had fatal consequences. Hence, one can hardly say that the Trinity doctrine was a revelation from God or that it was established by the Holy Spirit.

The Theodocian Code thus read:

“We shall believe in the single deity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost under the concept of equal majesty and of the Holy Trinity. We command that persons who follow this rule shall embrace the name of catholic Christians. The rest, however, whom We judge demented and insane, shall carry the infamy of heretical dogmas. Their meeting places shall not receive the name of churches, and they shall be smitten first by Divine Vengeance, and secondly by the retribution of hostility which We shall assume in accordance with Divine Judgment.”

Though few could explain adequately how three are one, all were deemed “demented and insane” of they did not subscribe to the new and revised creed. Strangely enough, this revised creed, while emphasizing the personality of the Holy Spirit and his “equal majesty” with Father and Son, still made no mention of homoousios, even His coequal Godhead. Was this the bishop’s way of expressing passive resistance to Theodosius’ power grab?

The Nicene Creed had faced the problem of Father and an only-begotten Son, wherein they were fused into a single God. But the Theodocian Creed raised the question of whether the Holy Spirit was a second begotten Son or a second ingenerated God. If begotten, there would be two Sons; if not begotten, there would be two Fathers.

The result was that it was declared that it was impossible to really know God, that our feeble minds could not understand a single triune God, and that it was futile and even dangerous to ponder it too much or to ask too many questions. In the end, it became the creed of the church only because it had been enforced by the state.

The first casualty was freedom of conscience, which was lost for more than a thousand years. The second casualty was the idea that “by grace you have been saved through faith” (Ephesians 2:8). Simple faith in the promises of God (Romans 4:20, 21) had been replaced by swearing allegiance to man-made creeds enforced by military might.
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Jefferson

Laughter is health to the bones so just do it!
ChivalryKnight  (OP)
The "lost" tribes of Israel=Europe!

User ID: 77602894
United States
09/09/2019 03:51 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
Personal Note: I have been greatly enriched by Dr. Stephen Jones weblogs and teaching ministry. All above excerpts are from his weblog.

May you be blessed and I hope this enriches this forum as well.

Sincerely,

Chivalry K.
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Jefferson

Laughter is health to the bones so just do it!
WhoPooted

User ID: 64101310
United States
09/09/2019 03:52 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
bumphf
Fear of the Lord is the foundation of wisdom, knowledge of the Holy One results in good judgement.

Proverbs 9:10 NLT
ChivalryKnight  (OP)
The "lost" tribes of Israel=Europe!

User ID: 77602894
United States
09/09/2019 04:05 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
bumphf
 Quoting: WhoPooted


Blessings out to you friend.
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Jefferson

Laughter is health to the bones so just do it!
Fluffy Pancakes

User ID: 36515687
United States
09/09/2019 05:08 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
Bumping to read later....hf
Things are bad enough, there is no need to make anything up. ~Fluffy

"Never interrupt an enemy in the process of destroying himself."

Quercitin and zinc...Get it. Take it.

Visit howbad.info...If you took the shot, for sure.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 73422293
United States
09/09/2019 05:11 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
The gnostics were just satanists

Thanks anyways
Alhanna

User ID: 76607689
United States
09/09/2019 05:15 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
Also. Bumping to read later.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
They must tell us what they do
Even if we understand not the message
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 77505643
United States
09/09/2019 05:35 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
Also. Bumping to read later.
 Quoting: Alhanna


I've only read part one so far, but it's really interesting.
Thank you !
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 77505643
United States
09/09/2019 05:41 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
Sorry Althana
Not sure how I managed to make that a reply to ypu, instead of to the thread in general, and O.P..
At least we seem to agree about thread, so far.
So that's good.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 76799292
United States
09/09/2019 08:12 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
I really like the Sanctorum church history podcast.
[link to www.sanctorum.us (secure)]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 43632134
United States
09/09/2019 08:32 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
MUST BE TIME FOR THE WORD TO GO FORTH!

I've posted Dr. Jones' writings for years at GLP and every time I got banned for it. I could never post a link to his site, or someone would ban me.

Here it is;

[link to www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net (secure)]

Everything there is free to read. Very deep bible truths are revealed through this ministry. Enjoy!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 35676288
United States
09/09/2019 08:42 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
Personal Note: I have been greatly enriched by Dr. Stephen Jones weblogs and teaching ministry. All above excerpts are from his weblog.

May you be blessed and I hope this enriches this forum as well.

Sincerely,

Chivalry K.
 Quoting: ChivalryKnight


I'm curious of his credentials. Is he another self appointed expert or appointed by other self appointed experts? I personally do not acknowledge most endorsed by the Vatican as being anointed. I'm not being disrespectful, but it's now my belief that the best experts are prophets and those who can heal, see, or channel. In addition those who have traveled to the other side and back, those visited by Jesus or those visited by angels. There are 1000s of testimony on the video channels.

All those whom I mention exist and provide enlightenment of another sort. We are too close to the 2ns coming to become entangled in the ancient orders of councils. Leaving 28 scrolls and books out of James should be enough to make most suspicious of any council, church, religion, or crusade. Just saying and bringing awareness of my own.

I saved your readings for when I am not working. TY.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 77979260
United States
09/09/2019 08:47 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
I used to read a lot of Dr Stephen Jones.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 45466969
United States
09/10/2019 12:20 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
I believe..

GOD Farted

And made the earth
ChivalryKnight  (OP)
The "lost" tribes of Israel=Europe!

User ID: 77602894
United States
09/10/2019 09:14 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
Also. Bumping to read later.
 Quoting: Alhanna


I've only read part one so far, but it's really interesting.
Thank you !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77505643


His connecting history and prophecy is incredible!

He has a gifting!
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Jefferson

Laughter is health to the bones so just do it!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 76594256
Canada
09/10/2019 09:29 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
Paul said it best

All these fools fight over

Who is more important

The planter or the water giver

Frauds they are
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 76594256
Canada
09/10/2019 09:38 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Church History, Gnosticism, Philosophy and formation of doctrines via councils Per Dr. Stephen Jones, Great Historical Context!
Frauds they are

All this bible knowlage theae celebrity speakers enjoy

But non hammer home the significance of who Shiloh is or will be

Or

What part Melchrisedec sgould play in today's world

Yep all the Christian leadership is looking very luke warm





GLP