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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71433052 United States 09/10/2019 09:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The next time someone tells you "this chemo has a ____ percent success rate," I just want you to consider something I learned from experience. Quoting: TlvmmCpoft When I was about eight years old, I was in one of those chemo trials at a pharmaceutical company in Farmington, Connecticut. It was a paid study using children. Back then, people weren't just willingly putting their kids into medical trials for a free prescription. You actually had to pay them. The research appeared impeccable. They gave us the chemo starting within an hour of entering the building, and then spent the rest of several weeks continuing treatment and testing our physical and neurological function to see if it was being impaired. At the end, I was listed as a success because they found no cancer. So, I became that original "____ percent success rate" that gives cancer patients hope. I think it was low back then, maybe a 5% success rate. The problem? My "mother" had experience and access in the medical field and needed money for her addiction and side projects. She had forged the paperwork to get me in. She did it with a lot of illnesses and trials over the years. I didn't have cancer when entering that trial as a cancer patient. There had been no cancer for them to cure. For me, it was an abusive nightmare, but for real cancer patients depending on that research to be accurate, it may be a death sentence. And I wasn't a fluke case. She had been recruiting friends with financial woes to do the same thing with their kids. One of my friends, a child of a couple from her social circles, was in that exact trial with me. I doubt she's even the only con artist with access out there. People in the medical field have a high rate of addiction. When they see "free money offers" on their desk, some of them will take it as an opportunity, and will happily change a test result on a form to do so. We all know it's a scam by the pharmaceutical companies. But beyond that, I would literally kill my mother if she did that to me. In fact, she would suffer immensely. |
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(OP) User ID: 77347043 Poland 09/10/2019 09:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | With mothers like that, who needs enemies? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77197203 Of course, I suppose as a medical person she was probably like: your gonna be just so cancer free, how can that be bad? it is to laugh From a research perspective, it's a nightmare. These trials were getting a kid that didn't fit their requirements, but said so on paper. The epilepsy (another big payer at the time) researchers caught on. It's kind of hard to fake epilepsy. I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies. There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture. |
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(OP) User ID: 77347043 Poland 09/10/2019 09:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We all know it's a scam by the pharmaceutical companies. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71433052 But beyond that, I would literally kill my mother if she did that to me. In fact, she would suffer immensely. I don't speak to her, that's for damn sure. I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies. There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture. |
beeches
User ID: 77354011 United States 09/10/2019 09:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Chester Southam From the mid-1950s to the mid-1960s, Southam conducted clinical research on people without their informed consent, in which he injected cancer cells (HeLa cells) into their skin, to see if their immune system would reject the cancer cells or if the cells would grow. He did this to patients under his care or others' care, and to prisoners.[3][4] In 1963, doctors Avir Kagan, David Leichter and Perry Fersko of Jewish Chronic Disease Hospital objected to the lack of consent in his experiments and reported him to the Regents of the University of the State of New York which found him guilty of fraud, deceit, and unprofessional conduct, and in the end he was placed on probation for a year.[3][4] Southam's research was conducted in an era when cancer research was closely followed in the mainstream media; his experiments and the case at the Regents were reported in The New York Times Last Edited by beeches on 09/10/2019 09:51 AM Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
Deep1111
User ID: 58205502 United States 09/10/2019 09:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Absolute Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72447176 At least learn how clinical trials work before posting attention whoring horseshit. Jesus said: He who seeks, let him not cease seeking until he finds; and when he finds he will be troubled, and when he is troubled he will be amazed, and he will reign over the All. Keep calling it mental illness. 1,000 years ago, they called us see'ers [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
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(OP) User ID: 77347043 Poland 09/10/2019 09:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Quoting: beeches Chester Southam From the mid-1950s to the mid-1960s, Southam conducted clinical research on people without their informed consent, in which he injected cancer cells (HeLa cells) into their skin, to see if their immune system would reject the cancer cells or if the cells would grow. He did this to patients under his care or others' care, and to prisoners.[3][4] In 1963, doctors Avir Kagan, David Leichter and Perry Fersko of Jewish Chronic Disease Hospital objected to the lack of consent in his experiments and reported him to the Regents of the University of the State of New York which found him guilty of fraud, deceit, and unprofessional conduct, and in the end he was placed on probation for a year.[3][4] Southam's research was conducted in an era when cancer research was closely followed in the mainstream media; his experiments and the case at the Regents were reported in The New York Times I'm amazed he even got a year's probation. I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies. There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2876001 United States 09/10/2019 09:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just don't go to the doctors or dentist anymore. Unless I have absolutely have too. We humans have to learn to be our own doctors. Until then expect to get screwed over Quoting: j4 Yea, dumbass... preventive care is a real thing. Ignore your teeth and they'll go away. lol I haven't went to the dentist in 7 years and haven't lost a tooth yet. But maybe because I'm something else/different |
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(OP) User ID: 77347043 Poland 09/10/2019 09:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is seriously messed up OP! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36271174 Have you had any long term/negative effects from the chemo? I developed cancer from it, ironically. It was slow-growing. I managed to uneasily survive childhood with it untreated and had surgery when I was around 22. Last Edited by TlvmmCpoft on 09/10/2019 09:56 AM I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies. There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture. |
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gcxc User ID: 1786840 United States 09/10/2019 09:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought that if they don't actively kill you during the trials or chemo, they declare it a success and quickly move people near death into other specialists / hospice so they can declare death from some other cause other than the cancer/treatment being offered. Since the medical field is so wide-ranging and there are many ways to push results into other categories, I sincerely doubt that they report correctly in any way/shape/form. Poisoning the body and irradiating it makes zero sense to me. I could see operating on a tumor if it's impacting a vital organ, but I understand that any cutting in the body tends to spread cancer all about since the way the body works causes this. So even operating without utilizing medical procedures that scoops with minimally invasive techniques is critical. An oncologist might be the equivalent of a used car salesperson looking to sell their shit and use hardcore tactics to pay for all their expensive equipment rather than suggest nutrition and holistic methods. They rely on fear and intimidation and then pass off their charges to other specialists as soon as they can, to eliminate the need for them to deal with all the recurring symptoms of chemo/radiation. Onconolists make money by selling chemo products. Period. They don't make money by caring, sharing, or collaborating with the patient. Run the tests, pump the patient full of expensive drugs, and then pass them off to others when the revenue stream can no longer be maintained. It's a binary decision - if the patient cannot be cajoled into going the chemo radiation route the doctor will cut them off and move to the next sucker. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2876001 United States 09/10/2019 09:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is seriously messed up OP! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36271174 Have you had any long term/negative effects from the chemo? I developed cancer from it, ironically. It was slow-growing. I managed to uneasily survive childhood with it untreated and had surgery when I was around 22. you should've been your own doctor girlfriend. From my experience "water"/liquid heals all |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36271174 United States 09/10/2019 09:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is seriously messed up OP! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36271174 Have you had any long term/negative effects from the chemo? I developed cancer from it, ironically. It was slow-growing. I managed to uneasily survive childhood with it untreated and had surgery when I was around 22. I'm sorry you had to deal with all that! |
Deep1111
User ID: 58205502 United States 09/10/2019 09:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find it hard to believe that Doctors signed you up for chemo without a proper diagnosis, just your mother's word that you had it... I think your memory is a little off. Also, what chemo were you receiving and for what type of cancer? I have never heard of a chemo side effect of additional cancer. Radiation on the other hand, does have that side effect. Don't bullshit a bullshitter... Jesus said: He who seeks, let him not cease seeking until he finds; and when he finds he will be troubled, and when he is troubled he will be amazed, and he will reign over the All. Keep calling it mental illness. 1,000 years ago, they called us see'ers [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77819637 United States 09/10/2019 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought that if they don't actively kill you during the trials or chemo, they declare it a success and quickly move people near death into other specialists / hospice so they can declare death from some other cause other than the cancer/treatment being offered. Quoting: gcxc 1786840 Since the medical field is so wide-ranging and there are many ways to push results into other categories, I sincerely doubt that they report correctly in any way/shape/form. Poisoning the body and irradiating it makes zero sense to me. I could see operating on a tumor if it's impacting a vital organ, but I understand that any cutting in the body tends to spread cancer all about since the way the body works causes this. So even operating without utilizing medical procedures that scoops with minimally invasive techniques is critical. An oncologist might be the equivalent of a used car salesperson looking to sell their shit and use hardcore tactics to pay for all their expensive equipment rather than suggest nutrition and holistic methods. They rely on fear and intimidation and then pass off their charges to other specialists as soon as they can, to eliminate the need for them to deal with all the recurring symptoms of chemo/radiation. Onconolists make money by selling chemo products. Period. They don't make money by caring, sharing, or collaborating with the patient. Run the tests, pump the patient full of expensive drugs, and then pass them off to others when the revenue stream can no longer be maintained. It's a binary decision - if the patient cannot be cajoled into going the chemo radiation route the doctor will cut them off and move to the next sucker. A lot of truth in this post. 1/2 die the first month on their poison therapy. They die form the poison not the cancer. Why do 90% of the doctors never use this therapy for their cancers. They buy the poison at 1/2 price from the drug companies and thus make a big profit on it. |
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(OP) User ID: 77347043 Poland 09/10/2019 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought that if they don't actively kill you during the trials or chemo, they declare it a success and quickly move people near death into other specialists / hospice so they can declare death from some other cause other than the cancer/treatment being offered. Quoting: gcxc 1786840 Since the medical field is so wide-ranging and there are many ways to push results into other categories, I sincerely doubt that they report correctly in any way/shape/form. Poisoning the body and irradiating it makes zero sense to me. I could see operating on a tumor if it's impacting a vital organ, but I understand that any cutting in the body tends to spread cancer all about since the way the body works causes this. So even operating without utilizing medical procedures that scoops with minimally invasive techniques is critical. An oncologist might be the equivalent of a used car salesperson looking to sell their shit and use hardcore tactics to pay for all their expensive equipment rather than suggest nutrition and holistic methods. They rely on fear and intimidation and then pass off their charges to other specialists as soon as they can, to eliminate the need for them to deal with all the recurring symptoms of chemo/radiation. Onconolists make money by selling chemo products. Period. They don't make money by caring, sharing, or collaborating with the patient. Run the tests, pump the patient full of expensive drugs, and then pass them off to others when the revenue stream can no longer be maintained. It's a binary decision - if the patient cannot be cajoled into going the chemo radiation route the doctor will cut them off and move to the next sucker. Yeah. There are a lot of ways for numbers to get "massaged" in the right direction and money is always a motivator. I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies. There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture. |
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(OP) User ID: 77347043 Poland 09/10/2019 10:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find it hard to believe that Doctors signed you up for chemo without a proper diagnosis, just your mother's word that you had it... Quoting: Deep1111 I know you're a troll, but I'll answer this, regardless. She forged the test results and had friends in the medical department assist with the little things, filing, etc. That's why I said "My 'mother' had experience and access in the medical field." Last Edited by TlvmmCpoft on 09/10/2019 10:06 AM I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies. There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture. |
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User ID: 58205502 United States 09/10/2019 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find it hard to believe that Doctors signed you up for chemo without a proper diagnosis, just your mother's word that you had it... Quoting: Deep1111 I know you're a troll, but I'll answer this, regardless. She forged the test results and had friends in the medical department assist with the little things, filing, etc. That's why I said "My 'mother' had experience and access in the medical field." Cool story bro. I have cancer and am on chemo right now. Your story is total bs. I think you are an attention whoring individual with mommy issues.. Jesus said: He who seeks, let him not cease seeking until he finds; and when he finds he will be troubled, and when he is troubled he will be amazed, and he will reign over the All. Keep calling it mental illness. 1,000 years ago, they called us see'ers [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
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(OP) User ID: 77347043 Poland 09/10/2019 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find it hard to believe that Doctors signed you up for chemo without a proper diagnosis, just your mother's word that you had it... Quoting: Deep1111 I know you're a troll, but I'll answer this, regardless. She forged the test results and had friends in the medical department assist with the little things, filing, etc. That's why I said "My 'mother' had experience and access in the medical field." Cool story bro. I have cancer and am on chemo right now. Your story is total bs. I think you are an attention whoring individual with mommy issues.. I wish you luck and that you find peace in yourself. Last Edited by TlvmmCpoft on 09/10/2019 10:08 AM I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies. There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture. |
Bob O'Link User ID: 69552019 United States 09/10/2019 10:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, so you mother has Munchausen's By Proxy Syndrome? Also, was she getting paid or not? You seem to contradict that. First, you said she had to pay, then you said she was forging paperwork for her addictions. Anyway, just remember Nietzsche's "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" and all that, bless you. |
Hope_Full
User ID: 77990551 United States 09/10/2019 10:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Think on that. So if your chemo is $80,000, the doctor is making $64,000 per patient. That's a phenomenal amount of profit and it's unconscionable. |
Hope_Full
User ID: 77990551 United States 09/10/2019 10:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, what chemo were you receiving and for what type of cancer? I have never heard of a chemo side effect of additional cancer. Radiation on the other hand, does have that side effect. Quoting: Deep1111 Don't bullshit a bullshitter... Seriously? Cancer is one of the known side effects of chemo. It destroys the immune system, and our bodies are constantly fighting off rogue cells. With a damaged immune system, we're at seriously increased risk. |
TlvmmCpoft
(OP) User ID: 77347043 Poland 09/10/2019 10:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, so you mother has Munchausen's By Proxy Syndrome? Quoting: Bob O'Link 69552019 Also, was she getting paid or not? You seem to contradict that. First, you said she had to pay, then you said she was forging paperwork for her addictions. Anyway, just remember Nietzsche's "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" and all that, bless you. I said it was paid research - that means the patient, or in the case of minors - the parent, gets paid for their participation. I'm sorry if there was some lack of clarity. I forget not everyone on the planet knows what a paid research trial is. One of the researchers in the epilepsy trials thought it was Munchausen. It fits the definition, but it also fits the definition of greed when it comes to paid research. I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies. There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture. |
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Forum Administrator 09/10/2019 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find it hard to believe that Doctors signed you up for chemo without a proper diagnosis, just your mother's word that you had it... Quoting: Deep1111 I know you're a troll, but I'll answer this, regardless. She forged the test results and had friends in the medical department assist with the little things, filing, etc. That's why I said "My 'mother' had experience and access in the medical field." Cool story bro. I have cancer and am on chemo right now. Your story is total bs. I think you are an attention whoring individual with mommy issues.. Cool it. Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
Jake
User ID: 77849624 United States 09/10/2019 10:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 3 published studies in the last 5 years show that chemo makes cancer grow faster Google it. Evil controls the ignorant... Climate change is a hoax so is the vax you have been fear-porned into compliance! Definition Satan from the bible: Satan (Rev 12:7) exercising his subtle (indirect) impact on heathen governments (powers) – i.e. accomplishing his hellish agenda from "behind the scenes." |
Deep1111
User ID: 58205502 United States 09/10/2019 10:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, what chemo were you receiving and for what type of cancer? I have never heard of a chemo side effect of additional cancer. Radiation on the other hand, does have that side effect. Quoting: Deep1111 Don't bullshit a bullshitter... Seriously? Cancer is one of the known side effects of chemo. It destroys the immune system, and our bodies are constantly fighting off rogue cells. With a damaged immune system, we're at seriously increased risk. So not true. They give you the list of side effects from the chemo you receive. Cancer is not one of them for the type of chemo I take. I just wish people would research these things before speaking. Not all chemos are alike and not every cancer is alike. OP never said what type of cancer he had so we could troubleshoot if he even received the correct treatment or cited the study he was apart of. I assume it was published somewhere. He is obviously making up this story to highlight how terrible of a mother he had. This is typical attention seeking behavior. I thought GLP was better than peddling fear porn. My cancer has a 90% cure rate with the treatment I am receiving based on the stage it was at surgery. I trust my doctors more-so than some anecdotal evidence based on some loosely remembered story that may or may not have happened. Whatever happened to the critical eye that used to exist on this forum? We now take every story at its face value? This one does not pass the sniff test. They test my blood every time I go in for chemo. My cancer gives off a marker in my blood. You expect me to believe they just pumped poison into kids without properly diagnosing them with an Oncologist? Sure... Jesus said: He who seeks, let him not cease seeking until he finds; and when he finds he will be troubled, and when he is troubled he will be amazed, and he will reign over the All. Keep calling it mental illness. 1,000 years ago, they called us see'ers [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |