OMG A Rabbi explains Isaiah 53 in a way never seen before! Must watch if you want to understand the Bible!

Or maybe you have already determined in your heart to reject Jesus Messiah and when you see scripture that obviously points to him you have to search diligently for any opinion that sounds well enough while also rejecting Jesus. You, presenting yourself as a teacher, only refer to what some other self-deemed teacher professes. You did not conclude his reasoning for yourself, you accepted it for yourself because you could not reason or understand how it could mean anything BUT referring to Jesus. You choose to believe the lie. Your choice.

No, I used to be messianic.

Maybe you determined in your heart that jesus MUST be the messiah, and you therefore ignore and reject any scriptural evidence to the contrary.

No, I used to be messianic.

Maybe you determined in your heart that jesus MUST be the messiah, and you therefore ignore and reject any scriptural evidence to the contrary.

Wait and see; Jesus Christ is not through fulfilling prophecies even though He has fulfilled the Law. Repent ye and believe the gospel.

Go back and read the Torah. You are to keep the law for yourself.

How did Jesus keep the Laws for women? For Levites? For soldiers? For Lepers? etc ...

If you read Isiah 53 and don't take it literally but think it is symbolic of the Hebrew people not only does that not fit for all Hebrews but it makes your idea of God out to be a sadist. He takes pleasure in afflicting you?

I'm curious, do you believe in the resurrection of the dead on the last day?

Of course he believes in the end of days, spoken of by Daniel the prophet.

The bible was mucked up..... portions are changed to lies.. bad translations and all that.... over long periods of time...

It is not reliable... only bits of valid spirit truth in the thing and I know because I have read every word in it. I did not take to just bits and pieces from pastor sermons.. often of which contain the worst of the bible.

Enoch, the seventh from Adam was taken.

machiach ben Joseph is spoken of in Talmud Im pretty sure which refers to joseph as the type and shadow of messiah to come.... remember the story?

Joseph rejected by his brothers, thrown into a pit and sold off into slavery but considered dead. He rises up in the ranks of the Egyptian empire (gentiles) as a god (pagan) and speaks Egyptian to his brothers when they seek out help and bow down before him. He hides his identity (Isreal to current day Israel). He speaks harshly to them (scares the living daylights out of them) and sends them away and on their "second coming" reveals himself to them as their brother whom they tried to kill (He forgives them). NOTE: Jevvs today think of Jesus as a pagan Idol worshiped by the Nations but in reality He is the brother that they rejected and will one day receive on His second coming. Get ready Israel... many are already coming to Yeshua. I listened to this whole 'sermon' and found NOTHING that contradicts christian theology except for the fact that rabbi is interpreting it according to Jewish bias and not understanding true forgiveness of sins and the sin nature. Atonement is Jesus. Passover lamb is Jesus... all the festivals point to Jesus. Listen to Rabbi Cahn's teaching on youtube and also to one of your Foremost Israeli rabbis who revealed the name of the Messiah a few years ago after his death


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So technically everything in Judaism is based on the Torah. Even the Messiah is based on a very vague verse, yes one verse. Genesis 49:10

The resurrection like the messiah is only based on one verse which requires a rabbi's explanation or else you would miss it.

Rabbi Simai says: "Whence do we learn Resurrection from the Torah? From the verse, 'And I also have established My covenant with [the Patriarchs] to give them the Land of Canaan' (Ex. 6:4). The verse does not say 'to give you' but 'to give them.' [Rashi explains that since the Land was given to their descendants, and has not yet been given to them personally,] their future Resurrection is thus proved from the Torah" (Sanhedrin 90b).

From your perspective, if you think IF Jesus is God in the flesh, how could he fulfill all the law? At least the priestly law. And forget asking how he fulfilled laws for women, reality-check, he's not a woman, nor was he a leper.

The temple and all the priests did was symbolic of spiritual things. That's your clue to understand how he could fulfill the laws.

God is a man of war. His war is not against mankind but against spiritual evil, for God also is Spirit. Yet, not all who are free from spiritual evil are free from the evils left or imprinted in their own heart.

Hebrews have let me pray to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and while doing so I acknowledged him as Jesus Christ who I know him to be, and asked that if I be a liar then do not do as I ask, but if I speak the truth that he, Jesus, IS the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob then to forgive them of all their sins. Can you guess what happened next? They were forgiven of all their sins, tangibly. Sin is a weight upon us.

Let it be done so to you also. Amen, Jesus.

Ezikiel 18:20-23 disprove your bullshit. As does Numbers 23:19.

Here is a good debate between a rabbi reformed and messianic Jevv

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I do take Isaiah 53 literally which is why I say it is about the nation of Israel who Isaiah tells us is the servant.

You take that chapter out of context, then you interpret it symbolically and you say it is about messiah because jesus suffered so jesus is the servant which means servant is messiah.
You are poisoning scriptures with your symbolism and circular reasoning.

If christians were so secure in their faith, they wouldn't have been doing what they are doing to this thread.

Talking about everything except for the actual topic.

Op by your reasoning your are saying that all Israel is the scapegoat by having sin placed on them. Don't get your playbook confused with Levitical Law.

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Psalms 21:1 The king shall joy in thy strength, O LORD; and in thy salvation how greatly shall he rejoice!
Psalms 21:2 Thou hast given him his heart's desire, and hast not withholden the request of his lips. Selah.
Psalms 21:3 For thou preventest him with the blessings of goodness: thou settest a crown of pure gold on his head.
Psalms 21:4 He asked life of thee, and thou gavest it him, even length of days for ever and ever.


Psalms 23:6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.


Psalms 133:1 Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
Psalms 133:2 It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;
Psalms 133:3 As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.


Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.


1 Chronicles 17:10 And since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. Moreover I will subdue all thine enemies. Furthermore I tell thee that the LORD will build thee an house.
1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom.
1 Chronicles 17:12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.
1 Chronicles 17:13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee:
1 Chronicles 17:14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.

You ask me to go deeper... I am happy to do so.

See, there is no scapegoatism in the OT (for humans that is).

If you read the context you will understand that G-d is the one who sends the Gentile nations to make Israel suffer, because that's how G-d punishes Israel for breaking the Law.

BUT! The nations went overboard with their chastisement.

Which is why G-d punishes the nations, Not for making Israel suffer, but for making Israel more than G-d thinks Israel deserves.

So then it says the servant will put his soul as an offering of guilt, which means he admits he is guilty for breaking the Law, because the whole idea of guilt offerings is that the offender admits he broke the law.
So when he admits THEN G-D LIFTS HIM UP AND SAVES HIM FROM HIS MISERY!

Read Moses, Moses constanly says, that if Israel breaks the law they will suffer at the hands of the Gentiles, if Israel keeps the Law and repents, G-d sill save Israel from those Gentiles.

Fits Isaiah 53 PERFECTLY!

Are the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" authentic?

Again, thank you for posting those verses. But the point of the post was that everything in Judaism including the Prophets and Writings are in accordance with Torah. If something goes against Torah it isn't right according to the J-ws. Your Jesus would have understood this concept.

Wait wait wait wait

Do i detect a christian with a brain?

Those are the first five books of Moses. If they can't hear Moses neither will they believe.

He has American IP flag but I think he is a brother in exile, not a christian.

The refinement of the Lord must occur. As for forgiveness, the Lord died for EVERYONE, and his mercy to forgive is freely given, and that is but a marker of one's progress in refinement. In 2 years of knowing the Lord was the last time he imputed and later forgave me of sin. Come December that will be 4 years ago. Not all who are forgiven of their sins will pass the final judgment. But he did die for mercy's sake. That is why someone unrepentant may receive forgiveness of their sins, but someone who is proud cannot receive, and there's other factors.

What you believe versus what I know and have experienced and helped others experience

I think so too

Your experience means nothing and proves nothing because people of all faiths have experiences. I'm glad that you have found something to comfort you, but it doesn't make it right. It also goes directly against what the books your Jesus believed said.