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OMG A Rabbi explains Isaiah 53 in a way never seen before! Must watch if you want to understand the Bible!

 
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Messiah is expected to destroy the EVIL Gentiles and in the process save the good Gentiles.

If Gentiles are good, then Messiah is their Messiah as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77990091


No, that is NOT in the OT.
What gentiles are spared in the OT?
None.
Its explicit in every book every gentile is evil, therefore entitled to routine, total extermination as celebrated in Kings and Exodus. Specifically every man woman and child,

We both know it

Why hide it.
Be proud of your myths
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Explain the Gentiles who come to Jerusalem to study Torah when Messiah reigns?

Explain the Gentiles who come to Israel to celebrate Tabernacles when Messiah reigns?

Cite ONE verse that supports your position.
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Jesus.

Jesus.

St. Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
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You may have noticed that he that you reply to doesnt believe in anything you claim, yet, he is the natural ]
person that would explain his group beliefs since its his book.

What else it means, is that his book is wrong and at least misinterpreted according to Jesus.
So thers, you cannot be an authority and be wrong at the same time.
You have to cleave to one or the other, and cast off bridges to nowhere where there is no place to pretend one can exist.
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Jesus.

Jesus.

St. Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77678894


Messiah

Messiah.

You said the proof is in the OT not the NT.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77990091


You explain your sources.

I dont have to explain what I dont believe in, you apparently believe in something, you get to make a direct, honest link.
Who knows? Maybe you can convert me back.
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You said the OT doens't spare Gentiles.

I said it does.

You then provided NT text to show OT doesnt... when you should have provided OT text to show OT doesnt.

If you don't believe in the OT then why do you believe in jesus?

christians must say contradictory in order to defend jesus... because jesus is a lie.
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I didnt provide you any verses, perhaps you are truth averse?

I dont believe in your tribal twisted tales, and whatever they are for you, they are khara to me and bind me in no way to your service.

Sad, no mitsvot for you today.

I personally dont care what some deception division minion claims, I tell people to read for themselves, because this existence is about what you do or do not.
Hereditary privilege claims over others are invalid in every case, and you cannot make any such valid claims.
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This is always a treacherous topic for there's always someone trying to validate the unvalidatable.

The difference is one system is a wicked theocracy bent in controlling all others and limiting anyone from independence for twisted tribal tales and fantasies

The other is something totally different.

Obviously one cannot expect pure honey to flow naturally from a foul polluted cesspit but that is exactly whats being demanded by those that make ANY concordance with the OT for the NT.

I dont care which you chose to believe, I only, legitimately, honestly make the claim that you cannot legitimately combine the two and in that I am with the rebbe and disinfo division minion, any of their displeasure being only that Im honest about it, while they would rather maintain an untenable connection in order to control the narrative on both ends of it.
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Or maybe you have already determined in your heart to reject Jesus Messiah and when you see scripture that obviously points to him you have to search diligently for any opinion that sounds well enough while also rejecting Jesus. You, presenting yourself as a teacher, only refer to what some other self-deemed teacher professes. You did not conclude his reasoning for yourself, you accepted it for yourself because you could not reason or understand how it could mean anything BUT referring to Jesus. You choose to believe the lie. Your choice.
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The OT mashiach is one who gets rid of the gentile threat.
Its in there in plain sight. Its the only standard, and the only lesson in every book of the OT.
There is not a single fable about getting along or respecting outsiders, so dont expect that to be a cultural priority.

They know it, its plainly and repeatedly stated. Self segregation is the plan so that they are not slaughtered by their brand of avenging mashiach. NO mashiach for you, you are the enemy that the mashiach is expected to wipe from the earth. THIS is undenyably the ONLY logical interpretation of the OT, because IT NEEDS NO INTERPRETATION and is fully congruent with the OT mythos.

SO Jesus cannot be it for them because hes for everybody.

No saint is going to be respected by those that worship the devil in themselves, individually or as a group.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76626437


Messiah is expected to destroy the EVIL Gentiles and in the process save the good Gentiles.

If Gentiles are good, then Messiah is their Messiah as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77990091


So...a MAN...who's lineage is of King David...will destroy all the "evil Gentiles" in the whole world?

How's he going to do that? Not even King David nor his son Solomon rid the ancient world of evil.

On TOP of that...what will happen after your Hebrew Messiah "man" dies? Your history is riddled with disobedience by the Hebrews AFTER good kings died.

And no matter the prophet SENT to your ancestors by Father God, they ALWAYS ended up disobeying God.
I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God.
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Messiah is expected to destroy the EVIL Gentiles and in the process save the good Gentiles.

If Gentiles are good, then Messiah is their Messiah as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77990091


No, that is NOT in the OT.
What gentiles are spared in the OT?
None.
Its explicit in every book every gentile is evil, therefore entitled to routine, total extermination as celebrated in Kings and Exodus. Specifically every man woman and child,

We both know it

Why hide it.
Be proud of your myths
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76626437


Rahab? Ruth?

And didn't the Hebrews make treaties with others at various times?

Verses about Gentiles becoming Believers?

Isaiah 2 14 42 49 52 54 60 61 62 66

"a light to the Gentiles"

Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

Malachi 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

Psalms 148

11 Kings of the earth, and all people; princes, and all judges of the earth:
12 Both young men, and maidens; old men, and children:
13 Let them praise the name of the LORD : for his name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven.


Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Isaiah 42

1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

Isaiah 52

6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.




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Isaiah 42

1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
10 Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.
11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.
12 Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands.
13 The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.
14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.
15 I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up
the pools.
16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.
19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD'S servant?
20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
22 But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore.
23 Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come?
24 Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the LORD, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law.
25 Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him on fire round about, yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to heart.

Jeremiah 16

14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.
16 Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the LORD, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.
17 For mine eyes are upon all their ways: they are not hid from my face, neither is their iniquity hid from mine eyes.
18 And first I will recompense their iniquity and their sin double; because they have defiled my land, they have filled mine inheritance with the carcases of their detestable and abominable things.
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.
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Or maybe you have already determined in your heart to reject Jesus Messiah and when you see scripture that obviously points to him you have to search diligently for any opinion that sounds well enough while also rejecting Jesus. You, presenting yourself as a teacher, only refer to what some other self-deemed teacher professes. You did not conclude his reasoning for yourself, you accepted it for yourself because you could not reason or understand how it could mean anything BUT referring to Jesus. You choose to believe the lie. Your choice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77678894


The OT mashiach is one who gets rid of the gentile threat.
Its in there in plain sight. Its the only standard, and the only lesson in every book of the OT.
There is not a single fable about getting along or respecting outsiders, so dont expect that to be a cultural priority.

They know it, its plainly and repeatedly stated. Self segregation is the plan so that they are not slaughtered by their brand of avenging mashiach. NO mashiach for you, you are the enemy that the mashiach is expected to wipe from the earth. THIS is undenyably the ONLY logical interpretation of the OT, because IT NEEDS NO INTERPRETATION and is fully congruent with the OT mythos.

SO Jesus cannot be it for them because hes for everybody.

No saint is going to be respected by those that worship the devil in themselves, individually or as a group.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76626437


Messiah is expected to destroy the EVIL Gentiles and in the process save the good Gentiles.

If Gentiles are good, then Messiah is their Messiah as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77990091


So...a MAN...who's lineage is of King David...will destroy all the "evil Gentiles" in the whole world?

How's he going to do that? Not even King David nor his son Solomon rid the ancient world of evil.

On TOP of that...what will happen after your Hebrew Messiah "man" dies? Your history is riddled with disobedience by the Hebrews AFTER good kings died.

And no matter the prophet SENT to your ancestors by Father God, they ALWAYS ended up disobeying God.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


The messiah brings the resurrection according to the OT and death is swallowed up with the Torah being written on the righteous hearts so that you wont be able to sin.

And you worship a dead man who said he'd be back before the last one of that generation died ...
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Interesting how Christ Jesus also cites Isiah in HIS Explanation of Why HE Teaches Using Parables.... Matt 13:10-15


Actually, what The Lord Says here is that HE does NOT Seek those who cannot Hear/See (understand) The Gospel with their intellect rather than their heart.

Having a rabbi "explain" Scripture is another mode of head-seeking; isn't it? Because IF God hasn't PUT Knowledge of The Mysteries of Heaven on your heart, Jesus Says the Knowledge you might have will be "taken away"...

Bottom line of This Witness is (my paraphrase) God ain't looking for those who can't Trust HIM Fully by manifesting their heart.

10. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11. He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15. For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.



And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith,
"By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive":

For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.



Unable to Understand or Perceive THE GOSPEL..
Same folk need to be instructed on "how NOT to misread The Bible"....


But gee, evidently the rabbi is also unable to Understand or Perceive with his heart....


So Jesus Says HE Teaches By Using Parables so the non-worthy seekers WILL NOT Understand: "Lest they should be Converted and (then) I (should) have to heal them!"


If the Hebrews since Christ were able to Hear and See God's Witness to the world (The Gospel) with their hearts, they would have Converted and Been Healed.

They haven't so they're not...
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Or maybe you have already determined in your heart to reject Jesus Messiah and when you see scripture that obviously points to him you have to search diligently for any opinion that sounds well enough while also rejecting Jesus. You, presenting yourself as a teacher, only refer to what some other self-deemed teacher professes. You did not conclude his reasoning for yourself, you accepted it for yourself because you could not reason or understand how it could mean anything BUT referring to Jesus. You choose to believe the lie. Your choice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77678894


The OT mashiach is one who gets rid of the gentile threat.
Its in there in plain sight. Its the only standard, and the only lesson in every book of the OT.
There is not a single fable about getting along or respecting outsiders, so dont expect that to be a cultural priority.

They know it, its plainly and repeatedly stated. Self segregation is the plan so that they are not slaughtered by their brand of avenging mashiach. NO mashiach for you, you are the enemy that the mashiach is expected to wipe from the earth. THIS is undenyably the ONLY logical interpretation of the OT, because IT NEEDS NO INTERPRETATION and is fully congruent with the OT mythos.

SO Jesus cannot be it for them because hes for everybody.

No saint is going to be respected by those that worship the devil in themselves, individually or as a group.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76626437


Messiah is expected to destroy the EVIL Gentiles and in the process save the good Gentiles.

If Gentiles are good, then Messiah is their Messiah as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77990091


So...a MAN...who's lineage is of King David...will destroy all the "evil Gentiles" in the whole world?

How's he going to do that? Not even King David nor his son Solomon rid the ancient world of evil.

On TOP of that...what will happen after your Hebrew Messiah "man" dies? Your history is riddled with disobedience by the Hebrews AFTER good kings died.

And no matter the prophet SENT to your ancestors by Father God, they ALWAYS ended up disobeying God.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Yes. Messiah is to destroy the Iron beast (Rome/vatican).

By the breath of his mouth he shall slay the wicked (He will expose them with truth)

Every tongue that rises agaisnt thee in judgment it you shall condmen. Messiah and the Jewish people as a whole woll condemn the Iron beast and all the Gentiles who take her side.

To bind their nobles in fetters of irons and thier kings in shackles.
They will be done for.

I paraphrased the verses, If you google them, you will find the exact verses.
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Interesting how Christ Jesus also cites Isiah in HIS Explanation of Why HE Teaches Using Parables.... Matt 13:10-15


Actually, what The Lord Says here is that HE does NOT Seek those who cannot Hear/See (understand) The Gospel with their intellect rather than their heart.

Having a rabbi "explain" Scripture is another mode of head-seeking; isn't it? Because IF God hasn't PUT Knowledge of The Mysteries of Heaven on your heart, Jesus Says the Knowledge you might have will be "taken away"...

Bottom line of This Witness is (my paraphrase) God ain't looking for those who can't Trust HIM Fully by manifesting their heart.

10. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11. He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15. For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.



And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith,
"By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive":

For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.



Unable to Understand or Perceive THE GOSPEL..
Same folk need to be instructed on "how NOT to misread The Bible"....


But gee, evidently the rabbi is also unable to Understand or Perceive with his heart....


So Jesus Says HE Teaches By Using Parables so the non-worthy seekers WILL NOT Understand: "Lest they should be Converted and (then) I (should) have to heal them!"


If the Hebrews since Christ were able to Hear and See God's Witness to the world (The Gospel) with their hearts, they would have Converted and Been Healed.

They haven't so they're not...
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If you think Isaiah 53 is about jesus, you are not doing a good job showing jesus in Isaiah 53.
You seem far too interested to talk about any other topic other than Isaiah 53.
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The messiah currently walks the streets of Israel, soon enough we will know
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EARS OF UNDERSTANDING” Kybalion
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If anyone has walked the inside walls of Jerusalem, His name is written in stone, even in the CornerStone that the builders rejected.
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The OT mashiach is one who gets rid of the gentile threat.
Its in there in plain sight. Its the only standard, and the only lesson in every book of the OT.
There is not a single fable about getting along or respecting outsiders, so dont expect that to be a cultural priority.

They know it, its plainly and repeatedly stated. Self segregation is the plan so that they are not slaughtered by their brand of avenging mashiach. NO mashiach for you, you are the enemy that the mashiach is expected to wipe from the earth. THIS is undenyably the ONLY logical interpretation of the OT, because IT NEEDS NO INTERPRETATION and is fully congruent with the OT mythos.

SO Jesus cannot be it for them because hes for everybody.

No saint is going to be respected by those that worship the devil in themselves, individually or as a group.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76626437


Messiah is expected to destroy the EVIL Gentiles and in the process save the good Gentiles.

If Gentiles are good, then Messiah is their Messiah as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77990091


So...a MAN...who's lineage is of King David...will destroy all the "evil Gentiles" in the whole world?

How's he going to do that? Not even King David nor his son Solomon rid the ancient world of evil.

On TOP of that...what will happen after your Hebrew Messiah "man" dies? Your history is riddled with disobedience by the Hebrews AFTER good kings died.

And no matter the prophet SENT to your ancestors by Father God, they ALWAYS ended up disobeying God.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


The messiah brings the resurrection according to the OT and death is swallowed up with the Torah being written on the righteous hearts so that you wont be able to sin.

And you worship a dead man who said he'd be back before the last one of that generation died ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25106814

How do you know that Yeshua meant a "generation" in the sense of those who were alive at that specific time?

I don't worship a "dead man". And a good portion of Christians don't either, as we pray to Father God.

We recognize Jesus Yeshua as the Son of God - whom your ancestors rejected - and were then subsequently scattered to the 4 winds for 1900+ years.

As far as the Torah being written on people's hearts - wasn't that done during the 40 years of Moses' time in the wilderness?

Answer the questions I poste above...IF you can.

Your ancestors rejected Father God as their True King - and Samuel ended up obeying God by appointing Saul.

Then you ancestors rejected Yeshua - Son of the Living God.

NOW...you think that Father God will honor your fellow Sanhedrin & Pharisees "attempt" at establishing your "human chosen" Messiah?

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Another Wolf in sheep's clothing, preparing his people for accepting the Anti Christ, as their " true" Messiah.
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Messiah is expected to destroy the EVIL Gentiles and in the process save the good Gentiles.

If Gentiles are good, then Messiah is their Messiah as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77990091


So...a MAN...who's lineage is of King David...will destroy all the "evil Gentiles" in the whole world?

How's he going to do that? Not even King David nor his son Solomon rid the ancient world of evil.

On TOP of that...what will happen after your Hebrew Messiah "man" dies? Your history is riddled with disobedience by the Hebrews AFTER good kings died.

And no matter the prophet SENT to your ancestors by Father God, they ALWAYS ended up disobeying God.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


The messiah brings the resurrection according to the OT and death is swallowed up with the Torah being written on the righteous hearts so that you wont be able to sin.

And you worship a dead man who said he'd be back before the last one of that generation died ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25106814

How do you know that Yeshua meant a "generation" in the sense of those who were alive at that specific time?

I don't worship a "dead man". And a good portion of Christians don't either, as we pray to Father God.

We recognize Jesus Yeshua as the Son of God - whom your ancestors rejected - and were then subsequently scattered to the 4 winds for 1900+ years.

As far as the Torah being written on people's hearts - wasn't that done during the 40 years of Moses' time in the wilderness?

Answer the questions I poste above...IF you can.

Your ancestors rejected Father God as their True King - and Samuel ended up obeying God by appointing Saul.

Then you ancestors rejected Yeshua - Son of the Living God.

NOW...you think that Father God will honor your fellow Sanhedrin & Pharisees "attempt" at establishing your "human chosen" Messiah?

goaway
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Instead of using this symbology comparison.

How about actually showing verses that support jesus' claim to the throne??

You don't really have any, which is why you have to resort to symbology comparison.
But at least try?
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Another Wolf in sheep's clothing, preparing his people for accepting the Anti Christ, as their " true" Messiah.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77949514


What if jesus is a fraud and anti christ is designed to scare you from the true Messiah?

Would you want to fight the AC only to find out he is the real Messiah and the one on whose behalf you fought, is really the fraud messiah?
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Messiah is expected to destroy the EVIL Gentiles and in the process save the good Gentiles.

If Gentiles are good, then Messiah is their Messiah as well.
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So...a MAN...who's lineage is of King David...will destroy all the "evil Gentiles" in the whole world?

How's he going to do that? Not even King David nor his son Solomon rid the ancient world of evil.

On TOP of that...what will happen after your Hebrew Messiah "man" dies? Your history is riddled with disobedience by the Hebrews AFTER good kings died.

And no matter the prophet SENT to your ancestors by Father God, they ALWAYS ended up disobeying God.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


The messiah brings the resurrection according to the OT and death is swallowed up with the Torah being written on the righteous hearts so that you wont be able to sin.

And you worship a dead man who said he'd be back before the last one of that generation died ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25106814

How do you know that Yeshua meant a "generation" in the sense of those who were alive at that specific time?

I don't worship a "dead man". And a good portion of Christians don't either, as we pray to Father God.

We recognize Jesus Yeshua as the Son of God - whom your ancestors rejected - and were then subsequently scattered to the 4 winds for 1900+ years.

As far as the Torah being written on people's hearts - wasn't that done during the 40 years of Moses' time in the wilderness?

Answer the questions I poste above...IF you can.

Your ancestors rejected Father God as their True King - and Samuel ended up obeying God by appointing Saul.

Then you ancestors rejected Yeshua - Son of the Living God.

NOW...you think that Father God will honor your fellow Sanhedrin & Pharisees "attempt" at establishing your "human chosen" Messiah?

 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Oh, is that why all the writers in the NT spoke of his coming quick? Now please pull out the Peter II quote about a thousand years.

You do worship a dead man, the insides of your churches have him hanging all over the place.

The Torah being written on peoples heart is a prophecy from Jeremiah and has nothing to due with Moses in the desert.

You really have no biblical claim on the truth. Don't quote the NT to try to prove your point. Every time I make this request you fail because you know the OT doesn't support you and your dead man-god who didn't fulfill any of the true messianic prophecies.
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So...a MAN...who's lineage is of King David...will destroy all the "evil Gentiles" in the whole world?

How's he going to do that? Not even King David nor his son Solomon rid the ancient world of evil.

On TOP of that...what will happen after your Hebrew Messiah "man" dies? Your history is riddled with disobedience by the Hebrews AFTER good kings died.

And no matter the prophet SENT to your ancestors by Father God, they ALWAYS ended up disobeying God.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


The messiah brings the resurrection according to the OT and death is swallowed up with the Torah being written on the righteous hearts so that you wont be able to sin.

And you worship a dead man who said he'd be back before the last one of that generation died ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25106814

How do you know that Yeshua meant a "generation" in the sense of those who were alive at that specific time?

I don't worship a "dead man". And a good portion of Christians don't either, as we pray to Father God.

We recognize Jesus Yeshua as the Son of God - whom your ancestors rejected - and were then subsequently scattered to the 4 winds for 1900+ years.

As far as the Torah being written on people's hearts - wasn't that done during the 40 years of Moses' time in the wilderness?

Answer the questions I poste above...IF you can.

Your ancestors rejected Father God as their True King - and Samuel ended up obeying God by appointing Saul.

Then you ancestors rejected Yeshua - Son of the Living God.

NOW...you think that Father God will honor your fellow Sanhedrin & Pharisees "attempt" at establishing your "human chosen" Messiah?

 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Oh, is that why all the writers in the NT spoke of his coming quick? Now please pull out the Peter II quote about a thousand years.

You do worship a dead man, the insides of your churches have him hanging all over the place.

The Torah being written on peoples heart is a prophecy from Jeremiah and has nothing to due with Moses in the desert.

You really have no biblical claim on the truth. Don't quote the NT to try to prove your point. Every time I make this request you fail because you know the OT doesn't support you and your dead man-god who didn't fulfill any of the true messianic prophecies.
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hesright
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More Pharisee lies, yawn.
Face it, you are the Synagogue of Satan, children of the Father of Lies, so everything you say is automatically either a lie or the truth twisted so much it is no better than a lie.
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bumpyoda
J 17:15: "I pray not that Thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that Thou shouldst keep them from the evil.

Truth, beauty and virtue ... all the things that THEY hate. All the things God loves.
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More Pharisee lies, yawn.
Face it, you are the Synagogue of Satan, children of the Father of Lies, so everything you say is automatically either a lie or the truth twisted so much it is no better than a lie.
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bumpyoda
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Can you refute the arguments of the "lying" pharisee?

Or can you just avoid the issue and leave skid marks?
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How do you know that Yeshua meant a "generation" in the sense of those who were alive at that specific time?

I don't worship a "dead man". And a good portion of Christians don't either, as we pray to Father God.

We recognize Jesus Yeshua as the Son of God - whom your ancestors rejected - and were then subsequently scattered to the 4 winds for 1900+ years.

As far as the Torah being written on people's hearts - wasn't that done during the 40 years of Moses' time in the wilderness?

Answer the questions I poste above...IF you can.

Your ancestors rejected Father God as their True King - and Samuel ended up obeying God by appointing Saul.

Then you ancestors rejected Yeshua - Son of the Living God.

NOW...you think that Father God will honor your fellow Sanhedrin & Pharisees "attempt" at establishing your "human chosen" Messiah?

 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Oh, is that why all the writers in the NT spoke of his coming quick? Now please pull out the Peter II quote about a thousand years.

You do worship a dead man, the insides of your churches have him hanging all over the place.

The Torah being written on peoples heart is a prophecy from Jeremiah and has nothing to due with Moses in the desert.

You really have no biblical claim on the truth. Don't quote the NT to try to prove your point. Every time I make this request you fail because you know the OT doesn't support you and your dead man-god who didn't fulfill any of the true messianic prophecies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25106814


Your ancestors got kicked to the curb for the SAME things that you modern-day Pharisees are doing.

You are too blind to see it.

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended?
who hath gathered the wind in his fists?
who hath bound the waters in a garment?
who hath established all the ends of the earth?

what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God.
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How do you know that Yeshua meant a "generation" in the sense of those who were alive at that specific time?

I don't worship a "dead man". And a good portion of Christians don't either, as we pray to Father God.

We recognize Jesus Yeshua as the Son of God - whom your ancestors rejected - and were then subsequently scattered to the 4 winds for 1900+ years.

As far as the Torah being written on people's hearts - wasn't that done during the 40 years of Moses' time in the wilderness?

Answer the questions I poste above...IF you can.

Your ancestors rejected Father God as their True King - and Samuel ended up obeying God by appointing Saul.

Then you ancestors rejected Yeshua - Son of the Living God.

NOW...you think that Father God will honor your fellow Sanhedrin & Pharisees "attempt" at establishing your "human chosen" Messiah?

 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Oh, is that why all the writers in the NT spoke of his coming quick? Now please pull out the Peter II quote about a thousand years.

You do worship a dead man, the insides of your churches have him hanging all over the place.

The Torah being written on peoples heart is a prophecy from Jeremiah and has nothing to due with Moses in the desert.

You really have no biblical claim on the truth. Don't quote the NT to try to prove your point. Every time I make this request you fail because you know the OT doesn't support you and your dead man-god who didn't fulfill any of the true messianic prophecies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25106814


Your ancestors got kicked to the curb for the SAME things that you modern-day Pharisees are doing.

You are too blind to see it.

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended?
who hath gathered the wind in his fists?
who hath bound the waters in a garment?
who hath established all the ends of the earth?

what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

 Quoting: TheLordsServant


And you think that Jesus died for your sins, which is in direct contradiction to Ezekiel 18:20-23.

Jeremiah 31:20
"Is Ephraim My dear son? Is he a delightful child? Indeed, as often as I have spoken against him, I certainly still remember him; Therefore My heart yearns for him; I will surely have mercy on him," declares the LORD.

Deuteronomy 14:1
"You are the sons of the LORD your God; you shall not cut yourselves nor shave your forehead for the sake of the dead.

Psalm 82:6
I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.

Psalm 73:15
If I had said, "I will speak thus," Behold, I would have betrayed the generation of Your children.

Jeremiah 3:19
"Then I said, 'How I would set you among My sons And give you a pleasant land, The most beautiful inheritance of the nations!' And I said, 'You shall call Me, My Father, And not turn away from following Me.'

Deuteronomy 32:5
"They have acted corruptly toward Him, They are not His children, because of their defect; But are a perverse and crooked generation.
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How do you know that Yeshua meant a "generation" in the sense of those who were alive at that specific time?

I don't worship a "dead man". And a good portion of Christians don't either, as we pray to Father God.

We recognize Jesus Yeshua as the Son of God - whom your ancestors rejected - and were then subsequently scattered to the 4 winds for 1900+ years.

As far as the Torah being written on people's hearts - wasn't that done during the 40 years of Moses' time in the wilderness?

Answer the questions I poste above...IF you can.

Your ancestors rejected Father God as their True King - and Samuel ended up obeying God by appointing Saul.

Then you ancestors rejected Yeshua - Son of the Living God.

NOW...you think that Father God will honor your fellow Sanhedrin & Pharisees "attempt" at establishing your "human chosen" Messiah?

 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Oh, is that why all the writers in the NT spoke of his coming quick? Now please pull out the Peter II quote about a thousand years.

You do worship a dead man, the insides of your churches have him hanging all over the place.

The Torah being written on peoples heart is a prophecy from Jeremiah and has nothing to due with Moses in the desert.

You really have no biblical claim on the truth. Don't quote the NT to try to prove your point. Every time I make this request you fail because you know the OT doesn't support you and your dead man-god who didn't fulfill any of the true messianic prophecies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25106814


Your ancestors got kicked to the curb for the SAME things that you modern-day Pharisees are doing.

You are too blind to see it.

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended?
who hath gathered the wind in his fists?
who hath bound the waters in a garment?
who hath established all the ends of the earth?

what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Exodus 4:22 say onto pharoah, ISRAEL IS MY SON even my first born.

I think I answered the question.

Seems like to me it's not jesus.
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Synagogue of satan in action.

Their father is satan. He lives in THEIR PHYSICAL DNA.

You cannot debate them.
You cannot change their mind.
You cannot save them.

Best to bash their head, as they bruise your heel.
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Synagogue of satan in action.

Their father is satan. He lives in THEIR PHYSICAL DNA.

You cannot debate them.
You cannot change their mind.
You cannot save them.

Best to bash their head, as they bruise your heel.
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The only way you can prove this is by proving that you have the truth and we are liars.

So far, we are proving that what you believe is a lie.
And all you can do is just call us liar but you can't refute us.

If you believe in a G-d of justice, you better believe G-d will defend those who are true and destroy those who lie.

So if you want to harm us, accusing us we are liars, but it is you who lie... G-d is going to punish you severly.

Which fits the prophecies since it says G-d will destroy the Gentiles who attack Israel.
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The Bible is 110% astrology.

No I won't prove it. It's best people accept reality on their own.
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The OT mashiach is one who gets rid of the gentile threat.
Its in there in plain sight. Its the only standard, and the only lesson in every book of the OT.
There is not a single fable about getting along or respecting outsiders, so dont expect that to be a cultural priority.

They know it, its plainly and repeatedly stated. Self segregation is the plan so that they are not slaughtered by their brand of avenging mashiach. NO mashiach for you, you are the enemy that the mashiach is expected to wipe from the earth. THIS is undenyably the ONLY logical interpretation of the OT, because IT NEEDS NO INTERPRETATION and is fully congruent with the OT mythos.

SO Jesus cannot be it for them because hes for everybody.

No saint is going to be respected by those that worship the devil in themselves, individually or as a group.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76626437


Messiah is expected to destroy the EVIL Gentiles and in the process save the good Gentiles.

If Gentiles are good, then Messiah is their Messiah as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77990091


So...a MAN...who's lineage is of King David...will destroy all the "evil Gentiles" in the whole world?

How's he going to do that? Not even King David nor his son Solomon rid the ancient world of evil.

On TOP of that...what will happen after your Hebrew Messiah "man" dies? Your history is riddled with disobedience by the Hebrews AFTER good kings died.

And no matter the prophet SENT to your ancestors by Father God, they ALWAYS ended up disobeying God.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


The messiah brings the resurrection according to the OT and death is swallowed up with the Torah being written on the righteous hearts so that you wont be able to sin.

And you worship a dead man who said he'd be back before the last one of that generation died ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25106814


He's still alive, from the dead, the living God in human form. Since he was of that generation his life (current living state) does not allow that generation to pass.
Jesus Christ is God. Read the Holy Bible, keep his commandments, obey all of his commands, save your soul.
Jesus blesses you! <3
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Messiah is expected to destroy the EVIL Gentiles and in the process save the good Gentiles.

If Gentiles are good, then Messiah is their Messiah as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77990091


So...a MAN...who's lineage is of King David...will destroy all the "evil Gentiles" in the whole world?

How's he going to do that? Not even King David nor his son Solomon rid the ancient world of evil.

On TOP of that...what will happen after your Hebrew Messiah "man" dies? Your history is riddled with disobedience by the Hebrews AFTER good kings died.

And no matter the prophet SENT to your ancestors by Father God, they ALWAYS ended up disobeying God.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


The messiah brings the resurrection according to the OT and death is swallowed up with the Torah being written on the righteous hearts so that you wont be able to sin.

And you worship a dead man who said he'd be back before the last one of that generation died ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25106814


He's still alive, from the dead, the living God in human form. Since he was of that generation his life (current living state) does not allow that generation to pass.
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You are making up your own fairy tales now. All the writers in the NT state that he will be back quickly.

Also, Numbers 23:19 ... God is not a man, nor the son of man.
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Can you just give us a TL;DR?
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Suffering servant is the nation of Israel, and even if it was Messiah (which it is not) it could never possibly match jesus. Proven from scripture alone, no oral Torah no Talmud no Rabbinic homilies just pure scriptures.
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He is not the nation of Israel.
The king of Israel is Jesus.
Israel is those IN HIM
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THIS^^^^^^^
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How do you know that Yeshua meant a "generation" in the sense of those who were alive at that specific time?

I don't worship a "dead man". And a good portion of Christians don't either, as we pray to Father God.

We recognize Jesus Yeshua as the Son of God - whom your ancestors rejected - and were then subsequently scattered to the 4 winds for 1900+ years.

As far as the Torah being written on people's hearts - wasn't that done during the 40 years of Moses' time in the wilderness?

Answer the questions I poste above...IF you can.

Your ancestors rejected Father God as their True King - and Samuel ended up obeying God by appointing Saul.

Then you ancestors rejected Yeshua - Son of the Living God.

NOW...you think that Father God will honor your fellow Sanhedrin & Pharisees "attempt" at establishing your "human chosen" Messiah?

 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Oh, is that why all the writers in the NT spoke of his coming quick? Now please pull out the Peter II quote about a thousand years.

You do worship a dead man, the insides of your churches have him hanging all over the place.

The Torah being written on peoples heart is a prophecy from Jeremiah and has nothing to due with Moses in the desert.

You really have no biblical claim on the truth. Don't quote the NT to try to prove your point. Every time I make this request you fail because you know the OT doesn't support you and your dead man-god who didn't fulfill any of the true messianic prophecies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25106814


Your ancestors got kicked to the curb for the SAME things that you modern-day Pharisees are doing.

You are too blind to see it.

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended?
who hath gathered the wind in his fists?
who hath bound the waters in a garment?
who hath established all the ends of the earth?

what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Exodus 4:22 say onto pharoah, ISRAEL IS MY SON even my first born.

I think I answered the question.

Seems like to me it's not jesus.
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Who was the first that was born of, or "begotten of" God? Who is God's son? Don't say Adam!
Jesus Christ is God. Read the Holy Bible, keep his commandments, obey all of his commands, save your soul.
Jesus blesses you! <3
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Your ancestors got kicked to the curb for the SAME things that you modern-day Pharisees are doing.

 Quoting: TheLordsServant


For not keeping the torah

Not for not worshipping jc

Beside it will probably piss the mashiach off if you worship him for G-d because you would commit idolatry





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