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Seen from the outside and on a superficial level by an average man, this Gnostic position appears to be an abominable rebelliousness

 
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internet, militant homo Gnosticism in short:

the world is the dream of an evil heterosexual demon.

being gay and not procreating is the way.

heterosexuals are abominations

yada yada yada.

who has had enough of these weirdos

when I was a kid there was gay dudes living in a house.

nobody burned their house down. nobody lynched them. nobody cared much, other than they just viewed them as something different than ordinary.

They become militant and arrogant and think they are superior to straights, and now you got the perfect secret society to club everyone to death with
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the endura rite
The Endura was a form of ritual suicide associated with the Cathars. In their world view, the physical flesh was an evil imperfection of the spiritual realm one could attain after death.

Therefore, suicide and assisted suicide were not deemed crimes - but instead a noble way to meet the end of a long life. The Endura was typically entwined with the Consolamentum, a quasi-monastic dedication to poverty, humility, chastity, etc. Basically, a person on their deathbed could seek redemption and absolution by committing their remaining hours to religious work and starving themselves.

One interpretation of the Voynich Manuscript is that it encodes the details of the Endura in a coded format that wouldn't get the Cathar practioner in trouble.

suicide is okay and reproduction isn't.

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there is a flaw in this ideology.

the reason their life sucks is because this world is a much denser, detailed creation than the spiritual world. their consciousness could not manifest in the detail required to exceed the processor requirements.

only when your consciousness exceeds the processor requirements, and you are feeding conscious energy back into the matrix, can you be blessed and life here feels effortless.

I am not the creator of the Matrix. we have come here to debug this old shit system, we are sorry. something happened, we don't even know, the sysops ditched your system and left you all trapped in here, my god, what the....horrific.

we don't know if they died or what happened.

we are all sorry this happened to you.

but we can't just pull you out of the matrix. it's hard to explain.

there is nothing outside the matrix . you were absorbed into it. it's hard to explain, it is a psychic phenomena.

we regret to inform you though, it is now a lethal trap for your eternal souls, if you die in the matrix , you die for real. you exist no more.

we are working on a solution to extricate you safely from this, we need your help, we are not sure why you are resisting us so much, we do understand it is extreme displeasure at facing this reality, of your predicament. many people are happy and content in the Matrix and do not want to believe this, will reject it as absolute, total evil
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demiurge religions and what it sounds like.



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“Have you also learned that secret from the river; that there is no such thing as time?" That the river is everywhere at the same time, at the source and at the mouth, at the waterfall, at the ferry, at the current, in the ocean and in the mountains, everywhere and that the present only exists for it, not the shadow of the past nor the shadow of the future.”

Hermann Hesse, Siddhartha
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demiurge religions and what it sounds like.



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Amen,
“Have you also learned that secret from the river; that there is no such thing as time?" That the river is everywhere at the same time, at the source and at the mouth, at the waterfall, at the ferry, at the current, in the ocean and in the mountains, everywhere and that the present only exists for it, not the shadow of the past nor the shadow of the future.”

Hermann Hesse, Siddhartha
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internet, militant homo Gnosticism in short:

the world is the dream of an evil heterosexual demon.

being gay and not procreating is the way.

heterosexuals are abominations

yada yada yada.

who has had enough of these weirdos

when I was a kid there was gay dudes living in a house.

nobody burned their house down. nobody lynched them. nobody cared much, other than they just viewed them as something different than ordinary.

They become militant and arrogant and think they are superior to straights, and now you got the perfect secret society to club everyone to death with
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the gnostics are pure and mostly celibate altho some had wives.

the gays are the priests in the catholic church.
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demiurge religions and what it sounds like.



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the abraham religions are the demiurge religions
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We have seen that attempting to destroy the work of the demiurge is useless, since he will only create it again. In the same way then, suicide is also a mistake, a useless rebellion, and in this case the complete opposite of liberation.

When the common man commits suicide, his soul is separated from his body and delivered to the demiurge, taking the Spirit with it, as the Spirit is tied to the soul. Next comes judgment, punishment and karma. This is what happens every time a man dies, and suicide is no exception. In the case of suicide, the punishment inflicted by the demiurge will be greater: a prisoner has tried to escape and has been trapped again. Double punishment. The prisoner who has committed suicide, has not escaped from anything and has liberated himself from nothing. Here he is, in the hands of the demiurge once again. For the common man, suicide is neither a way out nor liberation. On the contrary, it is a worsening of his situation.

But in the case of a man who has fulfilled his Spirit, everything is different, since he is not a common man anymore. He is a man who has escaped from the prison of the demiurge. The demiurge and his punishment cannot reach him now. The laws of karma do not exist for him now. He has transformed himself by his own free will, into something uncreated within the created world and he can do whatever he wants, including committing suicide. His impure body and soul have been deified by the Spirit and no longer belong to the demiurge. His body, soul and Spirit have been converted into only one thing: something indestructible, immortal and eternal. For this type of man, suicide is simply a way of moving from one point in the universe to another, or from one dimension to another.

This type of man is the one who is described in the christian myth. It is said that when they went to look for the body of Christ they could not find it, the tomb was empty. Of course, since the Spirit had taken the body and soul with It! After "death", the Spiritualized body and soul, transformed into one inseparable unit with the Spirit, leave along with It.

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internet, militant homo Gnosticism in short:

the world is the dream of an evil heterosexual demon.

being gay and not procreating is the way.

heterosexuals are abominations

yada yada yada.

who has had enough of these weirdos

when I was a kid there was gay dudes living in a house.

nobody burned their house down. nobody lynched them. nobody cared much, other than they just viewed them as something different than ordinary.

They become militant and arrogant and think they are superior to straights, and now you got the perfect secret society to club everyone to death with
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gnostics are pure

the muslism and catholics are homosexuals
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molech



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Moloch is the biblical name of a Canaanite god associated with child sacrifice. The name of this .... Jeremiah 32:35: "And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to .



Moloch has been traditionally interpreted as the name of a god, possibly a god surnamed "the king" (cf. adon "lord", baʿal "master"), but pejoratively mispronounced as Molek instead of Melek, using the vocalisation of Hebrew בּשֶׁת‎ bosheth "shame",[ distinguishing it from the title of melek "king", written identically in the consonantal text, which is also frequently given to Yahweh.
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Moloch is the biblical name of a Canaanite god associated with child sacrifice. The name of this .... Jeremiah 32:35: "And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to .



Moloch has been traditionally interpreted as the name of a god, possibly a god surnamed "the king" (cf. adon "lord", baʿal "master"), but pejoratively mispronounced as Molek instead of Melek, using the vocalisation of Hebrew בּשֶׁת‎ bosheth "shame",[ distinguishing it from the title of melek "king", written identically in the consonantal text, which is also frequently given to Yahweh.
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thats another name for the demiurge
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gnostics = anti demiurge religions(jewvs/muslims/catholics)
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I belong to none.
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so Jehovah's witness follow the Moloch/Baal god as well.
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I belong to none.
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Not even to yourself?
“Have you also learned that secret from the river; that there is no such thing as time?" That the river is everywhere at the same time, at the source and at the mouth, at the waterfall, at the ferry, at the current, in the ocean and in the mountains, everywhere and that the present only exists for it, not the shadow of the past nor the shadow of the future.”

Hermann Hesse, Siddhartha
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“Have you also learned that secret from the river; that there is no such thing as time?" That the river is everywhere at the same time, at the source and at the mouth, at the waterfall, at the ferry, at the current, in the ocean and in the mountains, everywhere and that the present only exists for it, not the shadow of the past nor the shadow of the future.”

Hermann Hesse, Siddhartha
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so Jehovah's witness follow the Moloch/Baal god as well.
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yea pretty much every religion that isnt "gnosticism".
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is the g silent or do you say

'Guh-nostic'
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“Have you also learned that secret from the river; that there is no such thing as time?" That the river is everywhere at the same time, at the source and at the mouth, at the waterfall, at the ferry, at the current, in the ocean and in the mountains, everywhere and that the present only exists for it, not the shadow of the past nor the shadow of the future.”

Hermann Hesse, Siddhartha
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Seen from the outside and on a superficial level by an average man, this Gnostic position appears to be an abominable rebelliousness. The common man imagines that a good god created man, loves him, wants to help him, has high hopes for him and needs him in order to perfect and complete his work. The common man would view this Gnostic position against "the good father who brought him into the world" with horror. Man, the best of all the creatures that god created, would be rebelling against him, opposing and renouncing him. How awful! But what the common man does not know is everything that we have said up to now concerning the "good father" and his works and plans.

For Gnosis, the rebellion against the demiurge does not only free man from his slavery and servitude, it also weakens and takes away power from the demiurge. Through his constant opposition, the Gnostic gradually acquires a power equal then later superior to that of the creator god.

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No! What rubbish, it is half truth's mixed with half lies. The Father asks us, "what can you do without me"?

That Father being the Father of Jesus Christ.





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