Not dying last night was great, but now I have questions about Anaphylaxic Shock

Interesting. I took the MCT about two hours after eating a medium bowl of pot roast...

You should have a complete work up before starting any Keto diet.
Especially at your age you need to find out your baseline before starting anything in your life to see if has any effects in you.

I wouldn’t do fad diets. Most people can’t stay on them anyway.

From the last time you eat at night fast for at least 12 hours. Then eat normal meals but watch the calorie intake.

Maybe after a time of doing this you can work up to 16 hour fasts. These help to heal the body. Read up on intermittent fasting. You can eat what you like but of course not pig out. Lol

There are you tube videos on this. Just don’t be extreme.

I never heard of this

God bless you and heal up

I would stay away from vitamin pills etc, I don't trust them

I would also stay away from some new and exotic stuff and stay with the old fashioned stuff

Be careful

i wonder if you were stung by a bee and didn't know.

Go for a full allergy screening. It costs a few hundred in Europe so you better pray insurance covers it in the US.

in case there is no epi, will the 2 benadryl and zantac help or must you have an epi? Just wanting to know in case I were to come across this

Congratulations on your survival!



Possible?


It sounds like a "perfect combination" situation. Just the right steps at the right times to cumulatively overload the body and cause a syndrome? One of those things alone was not enough but combined got him.


Histamine and cytokines are different, but could be going off simultaneously and compounding the syndrome.

When you changed you diet and chemistry radically, you changed your gut, which is a main port of disease attack as well as a complex large part of the "immune system*"
So all the chemistry your body was adapted to was gone and conditions it never coped with were present.
It def sounds like allergic response, more auto-immune may have jumped in and glad that epi was enough to shut it down. It does scream "gut/coconut/no coping means" but ?

Just glad it was treatable and God brought those people on time.....i lived deep rural for years and if it was that important, they could actually get the helicopter there faster.


*immune system is a term meaning the over 200 defensive reactions the body has through all its systems and tissues. Not one "pipeline", organ or mechanism.

Sorry not trying to scare you. I think if it was mastocytosis you would have known already, but the mast cell activation syndrome can come on at any point in life. It causes intolerance to histamine.

Being in Ketosis causes mast cells to degranulate. Histamine is one of the products in mast cells (which are the immune system cells).

Eggs contain histamine as does pot roast and caffeine (caffeine would cause release of mast cells within 30mins).

I think the keto diet and all the things you are that day caused a build up of histamine in your system and possibly a dao gene polymorphism, that would not be able to clear histamine as quickly from the body that then resulted in anaphylaxis.
If it happens again and you can’t find a cause try a low histamine diet?

Benedryl shuts down the histamine reaction and yes, tho not sure about the zantac.
When somebody is bitten by a brown recluse, the first thing they should do is take benedryl or reishi to keep the histamine caused wound from being worse. The damage comes from the body's reaction to the venom. Cut that back and they are much better later without, hopefully, giant craters from histamine damage and secondary bacteria after.

Glad you’re ok, my friend. Must’ve been scary.

BUMP! High histamine release.


As someone who has struggled with MCAS in the past this is a real thing.

You are very wise for placing your future health into the capable hands of GLP miscreants.

Could be it as well. Maybe he should go back to what he was eating before this diet. Just eat less and intermittent fast. Doing things that are too extreme can kill us.

Good grief! Surely you are not still doing Keto? Any other info? This seems important. ;-)

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OP, I've been on an "adjusted" keto diet for about 2 years now. If you're 40 pounds overweight - you definitely have a fatty liver, I do as well (verified medically).

When you have a fatty liver, your fat and protein consumption must be carefully monitored - as the liver does not metabolize fat and protein correctly. Personally, I have not used MCT oil supplements as advised by my "keto" friendly doctor.

In my opinion, the MCT oil consumption may have been the culprit, possibly combined with a allergic response to some ingredient in the MCT supplement.

Additionally, have your physician do a Uric Acid screen as improperly used "keto" may cause gaut attacks.

Feel free to IM me if interested to discuss further.

Keto diet is very unhealthy and horrible. It used to ebe called "atkins" but rebranded "keto" after arkins got debunked and carried bad rap.

^^^ Very good advice here ^^^

Absolutely agreed.

Mine is autoimmune. A blood protein I make myself causing what's a lot like serum sickness according to my doc.

I know I am in trouble when things start looking dark. It's edema around my optic nerve I am told.
I also get weird swellings in certain areas. I mention it so maybe you can notice if you have early warnings. I think mine have saved me a few times.

Once my lips swelled so fast- like 3-5 times normal in the time it took me to start drinking a glass of water & realized there was a weird tingle to the time I sat the cup down! That's why I have to keep a epi pen close.

The doctor should draw blood and that can tell him a lot. They started that with me, then ruled out lymphoma? I think it was. They look at your eosinophils and immunoglobulins. They can do a patch test if it is an allergen causing it.

Mine was really horrible for many years. Nearly killed me a few times. My doc gave me his office number so I went there instead of ER- he treated our emergencies in office during the week- he said he had 3 of us with this in the area. Mine is not so bad now. I still keep predisone, xyzal and epipens close though.

Try to manage it with a good doctor. The ERs will tell you to wait and let you die in the waiting room if they are busy.

Here is something I believe, and you may want to look into. Google Grant Generoux.

For a long while I believed I had "high histamine"

But really what I had was high vitamin A.

Where vitamin A goes, there goes histamine.

Vitamin A might be a weapon of sorts. That is how plants use it. Perhaps something you did caused a bunch of vitamin A to flow out of the liver, or out of cells, or both.

And your body was like OH SHIT MUST GET RID OF THIS.

You might want to try a low vitamin A diet, rather than a low carb diet.

All diet changes should be completed VERY SLOWLY. Once I experimented with quickly going ultra low carb and ended up at the doctors too. (not as dramatically as you, but I do have to be half dead to go to the docs! hahaha)

On low vitamin A I've lost weight without trying. You see, your body stores vitamin A in the liver, and when the liver is full, it will store it in adipose. Some believe that the body will decide to start creating adipose in which to store vitamin A.

These are all theories at this time, but many people are finding that vitamin A must be held in check. Some people may need more than others, depending on their genes or lifestyle. I don't think I burn through much.

Zantac is an h2 inhibitor. It does help neutralize histamine in the gut, but the h1s are better for allergic reactions.
There was a time when I added Zantac in to help cut my histamine load.
There were times I couldn't take enough histamines and had to add daily 10mg or so of predisone too.

Make an appointment for a comprehensive allergy test.

Years ago I had bad reactions when eating at certain restaurants. Found out I am very allergic to cockroaches. I am very careful about restaurants now! And just a little allergic to a few pine trees.

Helpful. Thank you.

We rarely eat out, but just the same: EWWWWWWW.

Don't need to lose weight to look good for your own funeral. Eat less and try to be more active. Ditch the diet fad. Crazy nonetheless.

I have been doing keto on and off for a few years now and never had any reactions per se. The illness you experienced is likely the stored toxins in the fat being burned off and your system having to deal with the toxicity...not a bad thing, but who knows what type of shit you were processing there.

I had been using NOW brand MCT which is a blend of c8/c10/c12 medium chain fats. I noticed that over two tablespoons brought on nausea and diarrhea. I did some research and found the NOW brand uses solvents in their processing and low end coconuts..ie, those found unsuitable for higher level commercial purposes. In other words, the shittiest feedstocks using solvents for mass production processing.

I learned that the desirable MCTs are the C8 chain, which also has the fewest side effects. You can buy only C8 chain MCT oil, and it is about twice the price. However, I noticed no side effects with the C8 oil. Normally, I take 2 tbsps a day, so one bottle lastys me a month. About a dollar per day.

If you had a fat processing issue, I think it would have manifest before that. I would suggest the C8 chain oil and start off with a drop or two and see how things go.

One table spoon has like 120 calories so it is very potent.

Here's some more good info.

Watch "Intermittent Fasting over Age 40 : The Complete Guide" on YouTube

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Thank you. Interesting right off the bat.

My research list is piling up! Good.

When people in natural health talk about "toxins" I've always been kind of like hmmm what are these toxins of which you speak. I mean I'm not in denial that we live in a toxic stew but really... I do seem to live a pretty clean life. And yet I was so toxic. And the healthier I tried to be, the more toxic I became.

The vitamin A thing explains this SO WELL

A is a toxin and a vitamin and in order to "live healthy" we take on more and more of it...

(the angels weep)

I'm allergic to honey.

One cannot even comprehend the irony of this.

The natural community treats allergies with honey. So, when I had allergies, I was given honey. Grew up thinking allergies meant I needed more honey. Every time I had allergies, I'd take honey, thus making them continue on infinitely.

I'd also use honey frequently as a sugar replacement because it was deemed healthier than sugar, and as a person who had to choke down food because of a restricted airway from allergies, I clearly needed more health.

I finally figured it out and for the first time in my life I can eat food without choking it down a half restricted airway.

I finally feel human.

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