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BREAKING: Trump changed mind as US army told he could not attack Iran: Top cmdr.

 
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I think the delay is because Prez T and our intel services KNOW that the Iranians already HAVE nukes.

Any attack has to be very well prepared and thought out. We will have to totally destroy any nuke retaliation capability that Iran has as well as decapitate the leadership.

Its a tall order.

If it was me, I would spend a year or so in quiet preparation gathering intel and putting forces into place before striking.

We could use our own form of asymmetrical warfare by quietly sinking their subs, using sabotage on oil facilities, etc.

In the end, nuke armed mullahs is NOT acceptable.

BTW, back in 1991 I invented a way to attack oil facilities and make it look like accidents. I was asked to brief some guys at the Pentagon. They wore suits and were NOT military.

Who knows? Maybe they used my concepts. Or maybe they will use them now.
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It's people like you with your insane idea's that tempts Russia or China to attack the US pre-emptively.
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Until the Shah was overthrown, Iran was our ally

Iran is a country with a national holiday called "Death to America".


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You don't suppose the US installing a puppet dictator to enforce US policy in Iran might have anything to do with it?

Let's assume Michelle Obama decides to take your house, install itself as it's owner and leader and forces you to submit to its every whim.

You might just be a tad hostile, unless your into submitting to trannies I guess.
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the ayatollah khomeini was also a install deep state puppet dictator.
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Since Trump balked at striking Iran over the oil facility false-flag, a new “whistleblower scandal” has hit the news. This is intended to portray the “Deep State” pressuring Trump into an Iran strike. So keep an eye out for a similar move by Saudi Arabia’s “Deep State” against Mohammed bin Salman (to make him conclude that the attack was launched from Iran). Mike Pompeo’s visit to Saudi Arabia may have been the prelude to it.
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the ayatollah khomeini was also a install deep state puppet dictator.


Yep, the idea was to keep the Soviet Union in check with Islamists near their border.
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I think Irans defenses are better than the U.S. is letting on. Sounds like they might be in for quite a battle if they invade.
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It will be similar to Iraq. We will probably have to throw the tanks in reverse after we run over the top of them first...We took Baghdad so quickly they had to turn around and go back...in fact, a longer initial assault would have been better, resulting in more Haji deaths...
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he wont do it, because he is OWNED by the dark ones of earth. They wont allow ANYmore major events that could possibly disrupt the flow of society.

They are terrified of the public becoming united and taking action against them, so they will do whatever it takes to keep society flowing at the same rate it is now...... mark my words- NO major events will happen ever again. Like 9/11 major wars etc- NOTHING. They have the perfect scam going on and will allow nothing to disrupt that!
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I think the delay is because Prez T and our intel services KNOW that the Iranians already HAVE nukes.

Any attack has to be very well prepared and thought out. We will have to totally destroy any nuke retaliation capability that Iran has as well as decapitate the leadership.

Its a tall order.

If it was me, I would spend a year or so in quiet preparation gathering intel and putting forces into place before striking.

We could use our own form of asymmetrical warfare by quietly sinking their subs, using sabotage on oil facilities, etc.

In the end, nuke armed mullahs is NOT acceptable.

BTW, back in 1991 I invented a way to attack oil facilities and make it look like accidents. I was asked to brief some guys at the Pentagon. They wore suits and were NOT military.

Who knows? Maybe they used my concepts. Or maybe they will use them now.
 Quoting: darth


It's people like you with your insane idea's that tempts Russia or China to attack the US pre-emptively.
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they will invade then trump will confiscate our guns -
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Trump is terrified of Iran
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Iranian Military Far More Sophisticated Than the Empire Reckoned - Drone Strike on Saudis Proves It

Jason Reza Jorjani

On September 14, 2019, nineteen targets at the Aramco Abqaiq processing facility and the Khurais oil field were struck from the air with pinpoint accuracy, resulting in the destruction of no less than half of Saudi Arabia’s oil production capability. This represented the loss of 5% of petroleum on the world market.

The Houthis of Yemen, who have for years been subjected to a genocidal Saudi Sunni sectarian war against their Shi’ite community, claimed that ten of their drones carried out the attacks. But these proxies of the Islamic Republic of Iran could hardly have had the capability to fly such sophisticated drones so deep into Saudi Arabia, and ten drones cannot hit nineteen separate targets. Further analysis suggested that the targets had all been hit from an angle of approach that pointed toward either Iran or Iraq as the staging ground, and that cruise missiles were used to hit many of the targets.

The drones may have been nothing but a ruse. The Houthi claim of responsibility does, however, rule out the possibility that this was some elaborate false flag operation staged by Neo-Cons.

Intelligence analysts initially ventured the possibility that the attacks actually originated in southern Iraq, where, in response to Israeli airstrikes, Hashd-al-Shabih, a Shi’ite militia loyal to Iran recently declared its intention to develop its own airforce. Kuwaitis witnessed unknown aircraft passing through their airspace on the night of the incident, and emanating from the direction of either Iraq or Iran itself. On Monday, September 16, the United States, which maintains a significant presence in Iraq, including radar capabilities, informed the Iraqis that the attacks did not originate on their territory or violate their airspace.

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Trump is terrified of Iran
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Yes we can rule out military attack as long that thus US is not directly attacked. But if Saudi attack and all hell breaks out, the have to come in and help them, because of the petro dollar agreement.




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Washington Foreign Policy 'Experts' Are All Incompetent, Partisan Hacks

Par for the course in DC, really

Nebojsa Malic (RT) 1 hour ago

An explosive essay calling out the lack of legitimate expertise about Iran ought to be a wake-up call for the US foreign policy field. Yet the same problem also affects Washington’s analysis of Russia, China and many other places.

Victoria Nuland, among the best of the US foreign policy establishment
Imagine a field of study in which less than a third of the experts had related doctorates, half of them could not read, speak or write the language required, and just as many have never set foot inside the relevant country. Preposterous, you might say – yet scientific observation has shown that this is precisely what the US expertise on Iran looks like, according to an essay by political anthropologist Negar Razavi, recently published in the journal Jadaliyya.

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Yes precisely @nargesbajoghli. This is a good opportunity for DC folks who took offense at my @jadaliyya piece on #Iran expertise to do what experts **SHOULD** be doing: Raise questions publicly abt evidence/agenda behind this problematic trope/repeatedly disproven claim. [link to twitter.com (secure)] …

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Also worthy of 🙄—“Iran is on verge of collapse, the sanctions/isolation is wkg” is a fav trope of “analysis” in Am & Brit media coverage. It’s appeared since @ least Jan 1980. It reveals more abt anxieties of limits of western power than abt what was/is happening in Iran. [link to twitter.com (secure)] …

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Razavi describes the think-tank culture of DC as “a wider system of knowledge production in Washington – one which has consistently rewarded ungrounded, ideologically driven assessments of the Islamic Republic at the expense of qualified, in-depth, and evidence-based analysis.”

This is her conclusion after two years of “ethnographic fieldwork” in the US capital, attending hundreds of events, following the writings and presentations of think-tank experts, and interviewing over 180 people between 2014 and 2016. In other words, this was a serious academic study.

This culture of “expert impunity” when it comes to Iran has combined with historical and contemporary US grievances against Tehran to produce the current policy of confrontation, in which allegations are treated as unquestioned facts while any nuanced assessments are dismissed as the work of “regime apologists,” according to Razavi.


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"Can you imagine someone claiming to be an expert on France? Its history, culture, politics, etc. And then imagine this person cannot even speak French or has never visited France. This is what is accepted as Iran expertise in DC"
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If this sounds familiar, that’s because the problem is not limited to Iran. Though Razavi focused exclusively on the state of Iran expertise, her assessment applies in equal measure to the self-styled experts on Venezuela, or Russia, or China, or the Balkans...

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I luv all the arm chair commanders that know nothing .
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Iran: A Bridge too Far?

The Sunburn Missile: The Weapon That Could Defeat The US In The Gulf

By USAHM-News on September 18, 2012 /

By Mark Gaffney

“A word to the reader: The following paper is so shocking that, after preparing the initial draft, I didn’t want to believe it myself, and resolved to disprove it with more research. However, I only succeeded in turning up more evidence in support of my thesis. And I repeated this cycle of discovery and denial several more times before finally deciding to go with the article. I believe that a serious writer must follow the trail of evidence, no matter where it leads, and report back. So here is my story. Don’t be surprised if it causes you to squirm. Its purpose is not to make predictions history makes fools of those who claim to know the future but simply to describe the peril that awaits us in the Persian Gulf. By awakening to the extent of that danger, perhaps we can still find a way to save our nation and the world from disaster. If we are very lucky, we might even create an alternative future that holds some promise of resolving the monumental conflicts of our time. – MG

In July, 2004, they dubbed it operation Summer Pulse: a simultaneous mustering of US Naval forces, world wide, that was unprecedented. According to the Navy, it was the first exercise of its new Fleet Response Plan (FRP), the purpose of which was to enable the Navy to respond quickly to an international crisis. The Navy wanted to show its increased force readiness, that is, its capacity to rapidly move combat power to any global hot spot. Never in the history of the US Navy had so many carrier battle groups been involved in a single operation. Even the US fleet massed in the Gulf and eastern Mediterranean during operation Desert Storm in 1991, and in the recent invasion of Iraq, never exceeded six battle groups. But last July and August there were seven of them on the move, each battle group consisting of a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier with its full complement of 7-8 supporting ships, and 70 or more assorted aircraft. Most of the activity, according to various reports, was in the Pacific, where the fleet participated in joint exercises with the Taiwanese navy.

But why so much naval power underway at the same time? What potential world crisis could possibly require more battle groups than were deployed during the recent invasion of Iraq? In past years, when the US has seen fit to “show the flag” or flex its naval muscle, one or two carrier groups have sufficed. Why this global show of power? The news headlines about the joint-maneuvers in the South China Sea read: “Saber Rattling Unnerves China”, and: “Huge Show of Force Worries Chinese.” But the reality was quite different, and, as we shall see, has grave ramifications for the continuing US military presence in the Persian Gulf; because operation Summer Pulse reflected a high-level Pentagon decision that an unprecedented show of strength was needed to counter what is viewed as a growing threat in the particular case of China, because of Peking’s newest Sovremenny-class destroyers recently acquired from Russia.

“Nonsense!” you are probably thinking. That’s impossible. How could a few picayune destroyers threaten the US Pacific fleet?” Here is where the story thickens: Summer Pulse amounted to a tacit acknowledgement, obvious to anyone paying attention, that the United States has been eclipsed in an important area of military technology, and that this qualitative edge is now being wielded by others, including the Chinese; because those otherwise very ordinary destroyers were, in fact, launching platforms for Russian-made 3M-82 Moskit anti-ship cruise missiles (NATO designation: SS-N-22 Sunburn), a weapon for which the US Navy currently has no defense. Here I am not suggesting that the US status of lone world Superpower has been surpassed. I am simply saying that a new global balance of power is emerging, in which other individual states may, on occasion, achieve “an asymmetric advantage” over the US.

The Sunburn Missile: I was shocked when I learned the facts about these Russian-made cruise missiles. The problem is that so many of us suffer from two common misperceptions. The first follows from our assumption that Russia is militarily weak, as a result of the breakup of the old Soviet system. Actually, this is accurate, but it does not reflect the complexities. Although the Russian navy continues to rust in port, and the Russian army is in disarray, in certain key areas Russian technology is actually superior to our own. And nowhere is this truer than in the vital area of anti-ship cruise missile technology, where the Russians hold at least a ten-year lead over the US. The second misperception has to do with our complacency in general about missiles-as-weapons probably attributable to the pathetic performance of Saddam Hussein’s Scuds during the first Gulf war: a dangerous illusion that I will now attempt to rectify.

Many years ago, Soviet planners gave up trying to match the US Navy ship for ship, gun for gun, and dollar for dollar. The Soviets simply could not compete with the high levels of US spending required to build up and maintain a huge naval armada. They shrewdly adopted an alternative approach based on strategic defense. They searched for weaknesses, and sought relatively inexpensive ways to exploit those weaknesses. The Soviets succeeded: by developing several supersonic anti-ship missiles, one of which, the SS-N-22 Sunburn, has been called “the most lethal missile in the world today.”

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I think the delay is because Prez T and our intel services KNOW that the Iranians already HAVE nukes.

Any attack has to be very well prepared and thought out. We will have to totally destroy any nuke retaliation capability that Iran has as well as decapitate the leadership.

Its a tall order.

If it was me, I would spend a year or so in quiet preparation gathering intel and putting forces into place before striking.

We could use our own form of asymmetrical warfare by quietly sinking their subs, using sabotage on oil facilities, etc.

In the end, nuke armed mullahs is NOT acceptable.

BTW, back in 1991 I invented a way to attack oil facilities and make it look like accidents. I was asked to brief some guys at the Pentagon. They wore suits and were NOT military.

Who knows? Maybe they used my concepts. Or maybe they will use them now.
 Quoting: darth


It's people like you with your insane idea's that tempts Russia or China to attack the US pre-emptively.
 Quoting: Joe Blow 75049243


Our nation has enemies. Iran is a country with a national holiday called "Death to America".

Until the Shah was overthrown, Iran was our ally as well as an ally of Israel.

China and Russia will NOT preemptively attack the USA unless they are willing to be pounded into dust.

We are not threatening the territory or national existence of either Russia or China. Why would they attack? How much do they love the mullahs?

We make mistakes, but the USA has enormous capability to retaliate.

It is IRAN that is hijacking tankers and attacking oil installations. A nuclear armed Iran is not acceptable.
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hesright

The US is the world's sole super power.

But threatening the supply of Chinese economic output by cutting off their supply of sanctioned (Cheap) oil is a recipe for disaster. Especially when combined with Russia's ideological compatibility with the Communist regime in China.

Just because you can do something doesn't always mean you should.

Trump is walking into a cluster with his trade war and posturing on Iran.

He's alienating the people he shouldn't (China) with Twitter rants and enabling people he shouldn't (Lil Kim) with offers of no consequence.

IF Trump was really smart; he'd end his trade dispute with China in return for their compliance in dealing with NK and Iran.

Trump goofed; the only reason why the Iranians and NK are emboldened is because of oil and Rare Earths they sell to China. Without China the Iranians have their hands on their dicks.
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China is not dependent on Iranian oil. They get most of their oil from Russia and the saudis.

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Iran is not Iraq. A ny type of attack will lead to WW3. It's not like Iran will just stand there and defend. Anyways i hope peace prevails. War is disgusting!
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Yes, the world is deathly afraid of your 14, 50 year old Air Force. As for missiles, a good surprise bombing, thoroughly done, should eliminate most of them, and maybe even YOU!

Eventually, the world must be cleansed of fanatical moslems. We may as well start with the most fanatic of them all, huh?
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I think the delay is because Prez T and our intel services KNOW that the Iranians already HAVE nukes.

Any attack has to be very well prepared and thought out. We will have to totally destroy any nuke retaliation capability that Iran has as well as decapitate the leadership.

Its a tall order.

If it was me, I would spend a year or so in quiet preparation gathering intel and putting forces into place before striking.

We could use our own form of asymmetrical warfare by quietly sinking their subs, using sabotage on oil facilities, etc.

In the end, nuke armed mullahs is NOT acceptable.

BTW, back in 1991 I invented a way to attack oil facilities and make it look like accidents. I was asked to brief some guys at the Pentagon. They wore suits and were NOT military.

Who knows? Maybe they used my concepts. Or maybe they will use them now.
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Do tell interesting!
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I think the delay is because Prez T and our intel services KNOW that the Iranians already HAVE nukes.

Any attack has to be very well prepared and thought out. We will have to totally destroy any nuke retaliation capability that Iran has as well as decapitate the leadership.

Its a tall order.

If it was me, I would spend a year or so in quiet preparation gathering intel and putting forces into place before striking.

We could use our own form of asymmetrical warfare by quietly sinking their subs, using sabotage on oil facilities, etc.

In the end, nuke armed mullahs is NOT acceptable.

BTW, back in 1991 I invented a way to attack oil facilities and make it look like accidents. I was asked to brief some guys at the Pentagon. They wore suits and were NOT military.

Who knows? Maybe they used my concepts. Or maybe they will use them now.
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If it was you...

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Iran is not Iraq. A ny type of attack will lead to WW3. It's not like Iran will just stand there and defend. Anyways i hope peace prevails. War is disgusting!
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


Yes, the world is deathly afraid of your 14, 50 year old Air Force. As for missiles, a good surprise bombing, thoroughly done, should eliminate most of them, and maybe even YOU!

Eventually, the world must be cleansed of fanatical moslems. We may as well start with the most fanatic of them all, huh?
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I think the delay is because Prez T and our intel services KNOW that the Iranians already HAVE nukes.

Any attack has to be very well prepared and thought out. We will have to totally destroy any nuke retaliation capability that Iran has as well as decapitate the leadership.

Its a tall order.

If it was me, I would spend a year or so in quiet preparation gathering intel and putting forces into place before striking.

We could use our own form of asymmetrical warfare by quietly sinking their subs, using sabotage on oil facilities, etc.

In the end, nuke armed mullahs is NOT acceptable.

BTW, back in 1991 I invented a way to attack oil facilities and make it look like accidents. I was asked to brief some guys at the Pentagon. They wore suits and were NOT military.

Who knows? Maybe they used my concepts. Or maybe they will use them now.
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You know they have the capacity for enriching uranium and you know they'll lie about whatever they have to in order to not get invaded by a power hell bent on regime change.

Even if Russia didn't sell them nuclear technology during the collapse of the Soviet Union, a severely impoverished North Korea would exchange them for oil.

One nuke on Jerusalem would permanently destroy the Jewish state and smash the Neocon agenda.

You may say that nuclear mullahs are not acceptable but you should always assume the worst. Only by assuming the worst can you mitigate it when it happens.
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Man can only dream
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So much propaganda in this thread.
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I think Irans defenses are better than the U.S. is letting on. Sounds like they might be in for quite a battle if they invade.
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no need to invade we can just drop bombs and launch attacks from hundreds of miles away...
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This! Why would we want ro invade that shithole country when we could remove all their asshole people remotely?
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Iran is not Iraq. A ny type of attack will lead to WW3. It's not like Iran will just stand there and defend. Anyways i hope peace prevails. War is disgusting!
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Iran isnt in the capacity of being able to start world war 3 they are 2nd world shithole.
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Juan Stahr, cause you didn' speak of Irans true defenses
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So people actually believe a story from Iran? Lol.

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I think the delay is because Prez T and our intel services KNOW that the Iranians already HAVE nukes.

Any attack has to be very well prepared and thought out. We will have to totally destroy any nuke retaliation capability that Iran has as well as decapitate the leadership.

Its a tall order.

If it was me, I would spend a year or so in quiet preparation gathering intel and putting forces into place before striking.

We could use our own form of asymmetrical warfare by quietly sinking their subs, using sabotage on oil facilities, etc.

In the end, nuke armed mullahs is NOT acceptable.

BTW, back in 1991 I invented a way to attack oil facilities and make it look like accidents. I was asked to brief some guys at the Pentagon. They wore suits and were NOT military.

Who knows? Maybe they used my concepts. Or maybe they will use them now.
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They've had nukes since the deep state give them some in the 80s, and Obsama gave htem more.
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And I am sure your idea is as smart as posting it on GLP
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Trump is terrified of Iran
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No, he is just a peaceful man who hates war.
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I think Irans defenses are better than the U.S. is letting on. Sounds like they might be in for quite a battle if they invade.
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OMG! You have to be kidding!

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That list does not mean a thing considering the USA can’t win a war, and number show American troops kill themselves at a much higher rate then their enemies can kill them. They are suicide machines
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I think the delay is because Prez T and our intel services KNOW that the Iranians already HAVE nukes.

Any attack has to be very well prepared and thought out. We will have to totally destroy any nuke retaliation capability that Iran has as well as decapitate the leadership.

Its a tall order.

If it was me, I would spend a year or so in quiet preparation gathering intel and putting forces into place before striking.

We could use our own form of asymmetrical warfare by quietly sinking their subs, using sabotage on oil facilities, etc.

In the end, nuke armed mullahs is NOT acceptable.

BTW, back in 1991 I invented a way to attack oil facilities and make it look like accidents. I was asked to brief some guys at the Pentagon. They wore suits and were NOT military.

Who knows? Maybe they used my concepts. Or maybe they will use them now.
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It's people like you with your insane idea's that tempts Russia or China to attack the US pre-emptively.
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Our nation has enemies. Iran is a country with a national holiday called "Death to America".

Until the Shah was overthrown, Iran was our ally as well as an ally of Israel.

China and Russia will NOT preemptively attack the USA unless they are willing to be pounded into dust.

We are not threatening the territory or national existence of either Russia or China. Why would they attack? How much do they love the mullahs?

We make mistakes, but the USA has enormous capability to retaliate.

It is IRAN that is hijacking tankers and attacking oil installations. A nuclear armed Iran is not acceptable.
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Israel has a holiday like that, except they rejoice and celebrate successful attacks and false flags on America , it’s called purim, their kids dress like twin towers with planes hitting them. You can look up the pics for yourself . Iran would be a much better friend .
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Re: BREAKING: Trump changed mind as US army told he could not attack Iran: Top cmdr.
Iran is not Iraq. A ny type of attack will lead to WW3. It's not like Iran will just stand there and defend. Anyways i hope peace prevails. War is disgusting!
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Agreed I'm glad sense has prevailed so far there are good decent partiotic people in the usa military but how long can they hold off a ww3 type situation remains to be seen.

The deep state or masons who run American badly want war they have a timeline to follow and are getting increasingly desperate.
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Re: BREAKING: Trump changed mind as US army told he could not attack Iran: Top cmdr.
Iran didn’t attack Saudi.

Of course there won’t be war with Iran.

The president knows who did tho.





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