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So Iran didn't fire shit but because it was Iranian weapons the Saudi's hold Iran accountable LOL
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


Hi Iranian.

Can you explain for the audience what "eye for an eye" means in the Middle East, please?

Islamic tradition, and Islamic law.

Thanks.
 Quoting: MissCleo


I'm not much of a religious person. But I guess it means "let the punishment fit the crime".
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Saudi Arabia threatened to use the “nuclear option” of undermining the petro-dollar if the U.S. moves forward with the NOPEC bill.

The U.S. Congress has been mulling legislation, known as the NOPEC bill, which would allow the Justice Department to take antitrust action against OPEC for manipulating the oil market. Specifically, the bill would remove sovereign immunity countries have from such action, allowing the U.S. government to sue. In theory, the law would prevent OPEC from coordinating production cuts.


It’s still unclear if the Congress will pass the bill, and it’s also not guaranteed that Trump will sign the bill if it reaches his desk. Moreover, even if he did sign it, it’s also not a done deal that the Justice Department would take punitive action.

Nevertheless, Saudi Arabia clearly views the threat as a serious one. Reuters reports that Saudi Arabia has threatened to sell its oil in currencies other than the U.S. dollar if the bill becomes law. Such a move would have enormous implications.

The global oil market is almost entirely conducted in dollars, which provides the foundation for dollar domination in the global financial system. Introducing new currencies in the oil trade could undercut demand for the dollar, diminish American influence over global finance, weaken American influence over sanctions, and thus, undercut its geopolitical reach. It’s hard to assess how serious Saudi Arabia is, but the implications of such a move are far-reaching and hard to overstate.

“The Saudis know they have the dollar as the nuclear option,” a source familiar with the matter told Reuters. Another source put it this way: “The Saudis say: let the Americans pass NOPEC and it would be the U.S. economy that would fall apart.”

Some version of the NOPEC legislation has floated around for years, but past U.S. presidents from both parties have opposed the measure over fears that it would damage the U.S.-Saudi relationship. This time around, the situation is different, for several reasons. First, Saudi Arabia has seriously damaged its standing in Washington through its war in Yemen and over the murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi. With goodwill evaporating, its grip on the U.S. Congress has weakened.

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Most likely scenario is that western powers have realized the complete incompetence of Saudi Arabia to run a modern oil production petro state.

From a military perspective. The Saudis are clearly unable to defend themselves against the Houthi. An offensive against Iran would leave them exposed on all fronts.

With the crumbling Old World Order, and neocons falling like dominos. Allegiances are shifting all over the ME. The likely outcome is that the Houthi will be encouraged, or at least allowed to overthrow the House of Saud.

This will create instability in the oil markests, but it will be short lived. Once the Houthi (Hashemites who have ruled the Arabian peninsula for a thousand years) have returned to power. The US and other petro dependent states in the west will have a stable and sane ally.

When the House of Saud falls, IS and Al Qaeda go with it.

My father rode a camel, I drive a Mercedes, my son drives a Lamborghini. His son will ride a camel.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 884495


Good assessment from a Western media point of view. First Person narrative.

Let's look at it from a Saudi point of view, dar ul Islam 2030 Vision Plan.

Yes, Saudi doesn't have a military, they hire US and Israel for protection and pay cash, endless cash. But the fighting never ends and Saudi expects US and Israel to be a permanent fixture. (that's not realistic).

Saudi also expects the world to bow to them. dar ul Islam/2030 Vision Plan makes them the Capitol of Asia, Africa and EU in 10 years. Nothing stands in the way of that goal, because they have endless cash. They have more cash than anyone on the planet, endless. Lamborghinis for everyone cash.

Killing their dependent children isn't a big deal for Saudi, so oil dependents are expendable at any point in time. Just like the 2000 Princes that speckle the desert.
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So Iran didn't fire shit but because it was Iranian weapons the Saudi's hold Iran accountable LOL
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


Hi Iranian.

Can you explain for the audience what "eye for an eye" means in the Middle East, please?

Islamic tradition, and Islamic law.

Thanks.
 Quoting: MissCleo


I'm not much of a religious person. But I guess it means "let the punishment fit the crime".
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


Yes, and from your position in Iran what does that look like, realistically?

There were no deaths in the attack on the Saudi oil field, there was minor damage.

So what would be appropriate? Just speculate.
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09/21/2019 02:59 PM

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Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the accused al-Qaeda mastermind of the September 11, 2001 attacks, has indicated a willingness to cooperate in a lawsuit filed by victims seeking damages from Saudi Arabia, if the United States decides not to seek the death penalty against him.

Mohammed's offer was disclosed late on Friday in a letter filed in the US District Court in Manhattan by lawyers representing individuals and businesses seeking billions of dollars in damages, the Wall Street Journal and Reuters news agency reported on Monday.

The Saudi government has long denied involvement in the 2001 attacks, in which hijacked airplanes crashed into New York's World Trade Center, the Pentagon outside Washington, DC, and a Pennsylvania field. Nearly 3,000 people died.

She also said that it is unclear if US President Donald Trump, who is close to the leaders of Saudi Arabia, would allow a plea deal for Mohammed to give evidence.

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Important.

If Saudi/MbS is backed into a corner... what will happen? Bonesaw is know for his brutality.
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Saudi Arabia threatened to use the “nuclear option” of undermining the petro-dollar if the U.S. moves forward with the NOPEC bill.

The U.S. Congress has been mulling legislation, known as the NOPEC bill, which would allow the Justice Department to take antitrust action against OPEC for manipulating the oil market. Specifically, the bill would remove sovereign immunity countries have from such action, allowing the U.S. government to sue. In theory, the law would prevent OPEC from coordinating production cuts.


It’s still unclear if the Congress will pass the bill, and it’s also not guaranteed that Trump will sign the bill if it reaches his desk. Moreover, even if he did sign it, it’s also not a done deal that the Justice Department would take punitive action.

Nevertheless, Saudi Arabia clearly views the threat as a serious one. Reuters reports that Saudi Arabia has threatened to sell its oil in currencies other than the U.S. dollar if the bill becomes law. Such a move would have enormous implications.

The global oil market is almost entirely conducted in dollars, which provides the foundation for dollar domination in the global financial system. Introducing new currencies in the oil trade could undercut demand for the dollar, diminish American influence over global finance, weaken American influence over sanctions, and thus, undercut its geopolitical reach. It’s hard to assess how serious Saudi Arabia is, but the implications of such a move are far-reaching and hard to overstate.

“The Saudis know they have the dollar as the nuclear option,” a source familiar with the matter told Reuters. Another source put it this way: “The Saudis say: let the Americans pass NOPEC and it would be the U.S. economy that would fall apart.”

Some version of the NOPEC legislation has floated around for years, but past U.S. presidents from both parties have opposed the measure over fears that it would damage the U.S.-Saudi relationship. This time around, the situation is different, for several reasons. First, Saudi Arabia has seriously damaged its standing in Washington through its war in Yemen and over the murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi. With goodwill evaporating, its grip on the U.S. Congress has weakened.

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Breaking up with Saudi seems impossible. jez.
Can't we just say "divorce" 3 times and it's over?
No, they will honor kill us first. #typical
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So Iran didn't fire shit but because it was Iranian weapons the Saudi's hold Iran accountable LOL
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


Hi Iranian.

Can you explain for the audience what "eye for an eye" means in the Middle East, please?

Islamic tradition, and Islamic law.

Thanks.
 Quoting: MissCleo


I'm not much of a religious person. But I guess it means "let the punishment fit the crime".
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


Eye for an eye comes from the old testament. Jesus did away with it.
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Re: Saudi says it will respond appropriately if probe confirms Iran's role in attacks
So Iran didn't fire shit but because it was Iranian weapons the Saudi's hold Iran accountable LOL
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


Hi Iranian.

Can you explain for the audience what "eye for an eye" means in the Middle East, please?

Islamic tradition, and Islamic law.

Thanks.
 Quoting: MissCleo


I'm not much of a religious person. But I guess it means "let the punishment fit the crime".
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


Yes, and from your position in Iran what does that look like, realistically?

There were no deaths in the attack on the Saudi oil field, there was minor damage.

So what would be appropriate? Just speculate.
 Quoting: MissCleo


But the attacks weren't from Iran. Am I missing something?
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Hi Iranian.

Can you explain for the audience what "eye for an eye" means in the Middle East, please?

Islamic tradition, and Islamic law.

Thanks.
 Quoting: MissCleo


I'm not much of a religious person. But I guess it means "let the punishment fit the crime".
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


Yes, and from your position in Iran what does that look like, realistically?

There were no deaths in the attack on the Saudi oil field, there was minor damage.

So what would be appropriate? Just speculate.
 Quoting: MissCleo


But the attacks weren't from Iran. Am I missing something?
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


Yes, you are missing clear vision other than your own, which doesn't allow you the ability to speculate, only defend. So screw your brain back on and talk this out. Right-fighting gets no where.

If Saudi (domination) says Iran is at fault that is their clear vision (no matter if it's right or wrong). In Islamic custom Eye for an Eye LEGALLY (governmental law/not religion), the usual is to take someone's eyes for an acid attack or death for blasphemy.

Therefore... (jezus this is exhausting)… the appropriate steps to respond to an attack on Saudi's oil facility will be...

1. take out Iranian military capability
2. attack an Iranian oil facility (literal and not likely)
3. take out Iran
4. take out Iranian leadership
5. take out Iranian military leadership
6. all of the above
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So Iran didn't fire shit but because it was Iranian weapons the Saudi's hold Iran accountable LOL
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


Hi Iranian.

Can you explain for the audience what "eye for an eye" means in the Middle East, please?

Islamic tradition, and Islamic law.

Thanks.
 Quoting: MissCleo


I'm not much of a religious person. But I guess it means "let the punishment fit the crime".
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


Eye for an eye comes from the old testament. Jesus did away with it.
 Quoting: Michibama


Jesus isn't a modern Totalitarian Dictatorship Monarchy FAMILY who is at WAR.

Islam will allow a victim of an acid attack to put drops of acid in the eyes of the attacker after the COURT decides.

Islamic LAW will allow the family of attackers to pay their way out of crimes.

Islamic LAW will bury a women to her neck and throw stones at her head until she is dead for blasphemy or infidelity.

All administered by the GOVERNMENT.
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Israel did it. But this pitiful attempt will not be a catalyst for war.
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I think Admiral Kimmel's quote is fitting;

"Seventeen years later the United States stands poised once more on the brink of shooting war.

If the fighting must start again, let us demand the full truth in advance as a condition precedent to the conflict.

Are we again bound by secret commitments which put the interest of other countries ahead of the interests of the United States?

Are our far-flung armed forces spread around the world for our own defense, or as an assurance that we will automatically participate in every brushfire that breaks out any place on earth?

The terrible truth about Pearl Harbor should galvanize our foreign policy with impenetrable armor of our own national self interest."
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I think Admiral Kimmel's quote is fitting;

"Seventeen years later the United States stands poised once more on the brink of shooting war.

If the fighting must start again, let us demand the full truth in advance as a condition precedent to the conflict.

Are we again bound by secret commitments which put the interest of other countries ahead of the interests of the United States?

Are our far-flung armed forces spread around the world for our own defense, or as an assurance that we will automatically participate in every brushfire that breaks out any place on earth?

The terrible truth about Pearl Harbor should galvanize our foreign policy with impenetrable armor of our own national self interest."
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It sure looks like Trump/Jared/Pompeo are making deals, those are political and business.

In reality when Pearl Harbor II hits it will be the military in charge. (without the politics).
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Saudi Arabia is always so "appropriate" when they bomb other people like Yemen. Jeez, they sound like they think they are the defenders of justice.
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Saudi Arabia is always so "appropriate" when they bomb other people like Yemen. Jeez, they sound like they think they are the defenders of justice.
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In their minds. They believe Allah has blessed them as the sole protectors of Mecca.
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Saudi Arabia is always so "appropriate" when they bomb other people like Yemen. Jeez, they sound like they think they are the defenders of justice.
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In their minds. They believe Allah has blessed them as the sole protectors of Mecca.
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I've heard that before.
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Saudi Arabia is always so "appropriate" when they bomb other people like Yemen. Jeez, they sound like they think they are the defenders of justice.
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In their minds. They believe Allah has blessed them as the sole protectors of Mecca.
 Quoting: MissCleo


I've heard that before.
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Thus their Superior stance.
Then the Ayatollah comes along calling himself the Supreme Leader and then the dick measuring starts.
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Saudi Arabia is always so "appropriate" when they bomb other people like Yemen. Jeez, they sound like they think they are the defenders of justice.
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In their minds. They believe Allah has blessed them as the sole protectors of Mecca.
 Quoting: MissCleo


I've heard that before.
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


Thus their Superior stance.
Then the Ayatollah comes along calling himself the Supreme Leader and then the dick measuring starts.
 Quoting: MissCleo


Lol
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Saudi says it will respond appropriately if probe confirms Iran's role in attacks

Saudi Arabia will take appropriate steps to respond to an attack on its oil facilities if, as expected, a Saudi investigation confirms that Iran is responsible, a senior official said on Saturday.

Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Adel al-Jubeir said the probe would prove that the Sept. 14 strikes had come from the north and that Iran bore responsibility. Tehran denies the accusation.
Riyadh has already said the investigation so far shows that Iranian weapons were used and that the attack came from the north.

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It will be another nothing burger.
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So Iran didn't fire shit but because it was Iranian weapons the Saudi's hold Iran accountable LOL
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


Hi Iranian.

Can you explain for the audience what "eye for an eye" means in the Middle East, please?

Islamic tradition, and Islamic law.

Thanks.
 Quoting: MissCleo


I'm not much of a religious person. But I guess it means "let the punishment fit the crime".
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


Eye for an eye comes from the old testament. Jesus did away with it.
 Quoting: Michibama


It comes from the Code of Hammurabi which predates Christianity by about 1,700 years. It's actually really complicated because while the punishment for a lot of things was death, if you want to play Babylonian rules-lawyer, for damage to property you could probably get away with a fine, and the code is quite clear about evidence needed.

"The commonest of all penalties was a fine. This is awarded by the Code for corporal injuries to a mushkenu or to a slave (paid to his master), for damages done to property, or for breach of contract. The restoration of goods appropriated, illegally bought, or damaged by neglect, was usually accompanied by a fine, giving it the form of multiple restoration. This might be double, treble, fourfold, fivefold, sixfold, tenfold, twelvefold, or even thirtyfold, according to the enormity of the offence."

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Saudi Arabia threatened to use the “nuclear option” of undermining the petro-dollar if the U.S. moves forward with the NOPEC bill.

The U.S. Congress has been mulling legislation, known as the NOPEC bill, which would allow the Justice Department to take antitrust action against OPEC for manipulating the oil market. Specifically, the bill would remove sovereign immunity countries have from such action, allowing the U.S. government to sue. In theory, the law would prevent OPEC from coordinating production cuts.


It’s still unclear if the Congress will pass the bill, and it’s also not guaranteed that Trump will sign the bill if it reaches his desk. Moreover, even if he did sign it, it’s also not a done deal that the Justice Department would take punitive action.

Nevertheless, Saudi Arabia clearly views the threat as a serious one. Reuters reports that Saudi Arabia has threatened to sell its oil in currencies other than the U.S. dollar if the bill becomes law. Such a move would have enormous implications.

The global oil market is almost entirely conducted in dollars, which provides the foundation for dollar domination in the global financial system. Introducing new currencies in the oil trade could undercut demand for the dollar, diminish American influence over global finance, weaken American influence over sanctions, and thus, undercut its geopolitical reach. It’s hard to assess how serious Saudi Arabia is, but the implications of such a move are far-reaching and hard to overstate.

“The Saudis know they have the dollar as the nuclear option,” a source familiar with the matter told Reuters. Another source put it this way: “The Saudis say: let the Americans pass NOPEC and it would be the U.S. economy that would fall apart.”

Some version of the NOPEC legislation has floated around for years, but past U.S. presidents from both parties have opposed the measure over fears that it would damage the U.S.-Saudi relationship. This time around, the situation is different, for several reasons. First, Saudi Arabia has seriously damaged its standing in Washington through its war in Yemen and over the murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi. With goodwill evaporating, its grip on the U.S. Congress has weakened.

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Breaking up with Saudi seems impossible. jez.
Can't we just say "divorce" 3 times and it's over?
No, they will honor kill us first. #typical
 Quoting: MissCleo


Pretty Much
They have us in a strangle hold.
I say we bomb Saudi Arabia and end this once and for all.
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Saudi Arabia threatened to use the “nuclear option” of undermining the petro-dollar if the U.S. moves forward with the NOPEC bill.

The U.S. Congress has been mulling legislation, known as the NOPEC bill, which would allow the Justice Department to take antitrust action against OPEC for manipulating the oil market. Specifically, the bill would remove sovereign immunity countries have from such action, allowing the U.S. government to sue. In theory, the law would prevent OPEC from coordinating production cuts.


It’s still unclear if the Congress will pass the bill, and it’s also not guaranteed that Trump will sign the bill if it reaches his desk. Moreover, even if he did sign it, it’s also not a done deal that the Justice Department would take punitive action.

Nevertheless, Saudi Arabia clearly views the threat as a serious one. Reuters reports that Saudi Arabia has threatened to sell its oil in currencies other than the U.S. dollar if the bill becomes law. Such a move would have enormous implications.

The global oil market is almost entirely conducted in dollars, which provides the foundation for dollar domination in the global financial system. Introducing new currencies in the oil trade could undercut demand for the dollar, diminish American influence over global finance, weaken American influence over sanctions, and thus, undercut its geopolitical reach. It’s hard to assess how serious Saudi Arabia is, but the implications of such a move are far-reaching and hard to overstate.

“The Saudis know they have the dollar as the nuclear option,” a source familiar with the matter told Reuters. Another source put it this way: “The Saudis say: let the Americans pass NOPEC and it would be the U.S. economy that would fall apart.”

Some version of the NOPEC legislation has floated around for years, but past U.S. presidents from both parties have opposed the measure over fears that it would damage the U.S.-Saudi relationship. This time around, the situation is different, for several reasons. First, Saudi Arabia has seriously damaged its standing in Washington through its war in Yemen and over the murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi. With goodwill evaporating, its grip on the U.S. Congress has weakened.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78022260


Breaking up with Saudi seems impossible. jez.
Can't we just say "divorce" 3 times and it's over?
No, they will honor kill us first. #typical
 Quoting: MissCleo


Pretty Much
They have us in a strangle hold.
I say we bomb Saudi Arabia and end this once and for all.
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good idea.
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I think this is the beginning of the end of the House of Saud.

They're surrounded by people that don't like them. From the Houthi to Iran. UAE has had it in Yemen, and is backing out and meeting with Iran.

Their jihad proxy army in Syria has been pulverized. Al Qaeda in the Arabian peninsula is a joke.

All they have left to keep them afloat is US and Israel. With Bolton fired, Netenyahu on the ropes and John McCain dead. The window is now open for Saudi regime change.

Who would be more deserving and up for the task then the mountain militia in Yemen? I'm preparing popcorn and hot pockets for the Houthi push to sack Riyadh.





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