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Rabbi Kaduri Predicted 40 Years Ago: Israel Elections But No Government will bring moshiach....This is happening right now in Israel

 
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If this lines up and the march 16th elections happen they have a 3 week period to form a government placing the arrival of David during Passover March 27 - April 6 2021 right after elijah arrives



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Re: Rabbi Kaduri Predicted 40 Years Ago: Israel Elections But No Government will bring moshiach....This is happening right now in Israel
8:30 - 10:00 minutes after the government falls a third time before it can be rebuilt a 4th time messiah Ben David will come......so Israeli government just fell for the third time last night and the next Israeli election is March 25 2021 and they get 3 weeks to form a government allowing until about April 15th/16th for messiah Ben David to arrive


Also it states the sabbath after the third elections fall then messiah Ben David will arrive.....if that is speaking of high sabbaths it would be speaking of one of the 7 major feasts which the next one will ne Passover 2021




Just happens to be Passover March 27th through April 4th 2021..../once Elijah arrives as he is the forerunner then David can show up

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8:30 - 10:00 minutes after the government falls a third time before it can be rebuilt a 4th time messiah Ben David will come......so Israeli government just fell for the third time last night and the next Israeli election is March 25 2021 and they get 3 weeks to form a government allowing until about April 15th/16th for messiah Ben David to arrive


Also it states the sabbath after the third elections fall then messiah Ben David will arrive.....if that is speaking of high sabbaths it would be speaking of one of the 7 major feasts which the next one will ne Passover 2021




Just happens to be Passover March 27th through April 4th 2021..../once Elijah arrives as he is the forerunner then David can show up
 Quoting: waterman


Don't you ever get tired of guessing when the Messiah returns? You've guessed these happenings over and over and over the yrs. and failed to even come close once. Stop giving the Christian community a bad name.

Guessing and prophesying are completely two different methods of information. Either prophesy and prove yourself wrong and foolish. Or guess and make the whole Christian community appear wrong and foolish.

Otherwise be silent on a subject you know very little about; or the timing we are now in. Elijah shall appear upon the scene but not now or three months from now or even 2-3 yrs. from now, and that is discerning prophesy based on Scripture. And not some foolish guessing game you have long exhausted long, long, long ago.

It doesn't advance the cause of Christ agenda for someone claiming to follow him, claiming things, happenings and dates that never come to pass.

Besides it's a known long ago prophesy that Israel will only obtain 70 Shepherds/kings (Benjamin Netanyahu) being the 70th one reading backwards, until Israel's false messiah comes who they will believe he is the true Messiah. And that is a few yrs yet to come. So (Netanyahu) remains in his place a few yrs. yet according to prophesy if he is the last (70) shepherd in this time-frame!

Perhaps Elijah shall appear before that dark and terrible day. When that shall be; no man knows what time and place. It could be several time-frames.

There are many dark and terrible days ahead for humanity my friend. Jacob's troubles, Tribulations, Great Tribulations, or general desolation we witness throughout the World now on a daily basis; through starvation, earthquakes, riots on large scales, floods, fires, meteors, and great storms unprecedented, etc.

Anyone of theses event or a combination of them could induce dark and terrible days ahead thus bringing forth an Elijah. But he most likely will be hidden from most eyes anyhow, as he always is. He may come to the table (reserved for him) and they will ask him to depart. For they shall say to him: sir this seat is reserved for a great one!

Now I know you believe I should post more often. And that you have even ask me to. I am sure I will not be asked again..lol. I will not post anymore soon. As I said beforehand I am preoccupied writing a new book.

P.S. I am not writing to sell my book, but because I was given the choice of either writing it or verbally expressing the edict. You know my repugnance toward public speaking so it's a book..lol.
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P.S. I am not writing to sell my book, but because I was given the choice of either writing it or verbally expressing the edict. You know my repugnance toward public speaking so it's a book..lol.
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Re: Rabbi Kaduri Predicted 40 Years Ago: Israel Elections But No Government will bring moshiach....This is happening right now in Israel
8:30 - 10:00 minutes after the government falls a third time before it can be rebuilt a 4th time messiah Ben David will come......so Israeli government just fell for the third time last night and the next Israeli election is March 25 2021 and they get 3 weeks to form a government allowing until about April 15th/16th for messiah Ben David to arrive


Also it states the sabbath after the third elections fall then messiah Ben David will arrive.....if that is speaking of high sabbaths it would be speaking of one of the 7 major feasts which the next one will ne Passover 2021




Just happens to be Passover March 27th through April 4th 2021..../once Elijah arrives as he is the forerunner then David can show up
 Quoting: waterman


Don't you ever get tired of guessing when the Messiah returns? You've guessed these happenings over and over and over the yrs. and failed to even come close once. Stop giving the Christian community a bad name.

Guessing and prophesying are completely two different methods of information. Either prophesy and prove yourself wrong and foolish. Or guess and make the whole Christian community appear wrong and foolish.

Otherwise be silent on a subject you know very little about; or the timing we are now in. Elijah shall appear upon the scene but not now or three months from now or even 2-3 yrs. from now, and that is discerning prophesy based on Scripture. And not some foolish guessing game you have long exhausted long, long, long ago.

It doesn't advance the cause of Christ agenda for someone claiming to follow him, claiming things, happenings and dates that never come to pass.

Besides it's a known long ago prophesy that Israel will only obtain 70 Shepherds/kings (Benjamin Netanyahu) being the 70th one reading backwards, until Israel's false messiah comes who they will believe he is the true Messiah. And that is a few yrs yet to come. So (Netanyahu) remains in his place a few yrs. yet according to prophesy if he is the last (70) shepherd in this time-frame!

Perhaps Elijah shall appear before that dark and terrible day. When that shall be; no man knows what time and place. It could be several time-frames.

There are many dark and terrible days ahead for humanity my friend. Jacob's troubles, Tribulations, Great Tribulations, or general desolation we witness throughout the World now on a daily basis; through starvation, earthquakes, riots on large scales, floods, fires, meteors, and great storms unprecedented, etc.

Anyone of theses event or a combination of them could induce dark and terrible days ahead thus bringing forth an Elijah. But he most likely will be hidden from most eyes anyhow, as he always is. He may come to the table (reserved for him) and they will ask him to depart. For they shall say to him: sir this seat is reserved for a great one!

Now I know you believe I should post more often. And that you have even ask me to. I am sure I will not be asked again..lol. I will not post anymore soon. As I said beforehand I am preoccupied writing a new book.

P.S. I am not writing to sell my book, but because I was given the choice of either writing it or verbally expressing the edict. You know my repugnance toward public speaking so it's a book..lol.
 Quoting: S-wordlike



Bout time you posted something other than a bump...lol. Elijah hidden?..lol...did God hide noah...did God hide Jonah or John the baptist or those he sent to forewarn the people?....the world will see Elijah

As far as the jues waiting for the "false messiah" I continually hours a day while setting my services listen to rabbi talk about the two anointed who are to come. You know who they can't wait for? David...so if David is the false messiah you might be in trouble...lol. The rabbi know those scriptures and they know the millennial kingdom is a davidic/levtic kingddom which makes it impossible for a melchelzedek Jesus and bride to rule on earth in a lesser davidic/levitic kingdom. Nobody comes to the Father but by faith in Jesus....if you are going to use faith in Jesus for salvation then you can't place Jesus on earth where everyone can see him.....if so then Jesus should have been on earth walking around during the gentiles testing of faith for the 2000 year duration of the age of grace. You don't need faith if the object of your faith in right in front of you in full glory and you see everybody that believed in him have glorified bodies walking around on earth.

You don't think elijah is going to show up before everybody in America/Ephraim gets vaccinated. God is going to let all the people get their dna changed before he does anything?....what would be the purpose if they are no longer redeemable?

Another thing rabbi kuduri said was when the anointed one arrives he will arrive in a way that seems unholy to the jues...now i've contemplated all the ways a nobody could get up on that world stage to bring a message on exactly passover week and I can't find a better one than to win a record breaking lottery. Win the lottery and one can pick the exact day he wants to be on the news to reveal he won. Both lotteries are at about 400 million right now which means about middle of february they will be in the 2 billion dollar range....which give a little over a month for passover march 27 - April 4 2021 and the arrival of elijah.

With Biden/Harris elected we have our Ahab/Jezzeble and once she steps down and obama returns to the stage we will have the beast that was that was not and that is again. He will give power to the 10 nation for a time and judgement will fall on america/ephraim..........I don't have to tell you the beast means his government...obama being the beast means obamas government.

THanks for posting it gave me something to read...lol



P.S If you want me to review that book for ya let me know...lol



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8:30 - 10:00 minutes after the government falls a third time before it can be rebuilt a 4th time messiah Ben David will come......so Israeli government just fell for the third time last night and the next Israeli election is March 25 2021 and they get 3 weeks to form a government allowing until about April 15th/16th for messiah Ben David to arrive


Also it states the sabbath after the third elections fall then messiah Ben David will arrive.....if that is speaking of high sabbaths it would be speaking of one of the 7 major feasts which the next one will ne Passover 2021




Just happens to be Passover March 27th through April 4th 2021..../once Elijah arrives as he is the forerunner then David can show up
 Quoting: waterman


Don't you ever get tired of guessing when the Messiah returns? You've guessed these happenings over and over and over the yrs. and failed to even come close once. Stop giving the Christian community a bad name.

Guessing and prophesying are completely two different methods of information. Either prophesy and prove yourself wrong and foolish. Or guess and make the whole Christian community appear wrong and foolish.

Otherwise be silent on a subject you know very little about; or the timing we are now in. Elijah shall appear upon the scene but not now or three months from now or even 2-3 yrs. from now, and that is discerning prophesy based on Scripture. And not some foolish guessing game you have long exhausted long, long, long ago.

It doesn't advance the cause of Christ agenda for someone claiming to follow him, claiming things, happenings and dates that never come to pass.

Besides it's a known long ago prophesy that Israel will only obtain 70 Shepherds/kings (Benjamin Netanyahu) being the 70th one reading backwards, until Israel's false messiah comes who they will believe he is the true Messiah. And that is a few yrs yet to come. So (Netanyahu) remains in his place a few yrs. yet according to prophesy if he is the last (70) shepherd in this time-frame!

Perhaps Elijah shall appear before that dark and terrible day. When that shall be; no man knows what time and place. It could be several time-frames.

There are many dark and terrible days ahead for humanity my friend. Jacob's troubles, Tribulations, Great Tribulations, or general desolation we witness throughout the World now on a daily basis; through starvation, earthquakes, riots on large scales, floods, fires, meteors, and great storms unprecedented, etc.

Anyone of theses event or a combination of them could induce dark and terrible days ahead thus bringing forth an Elijah. But he most likely will be hidden from most eyes anyhow, as he always is. He may come to the table (reserved for him) and they will ask him to depart. For they shall say to him: sir this seat is reserved for a great one!

Now I know you believe I should post more often. And that you have even ask me to. I am sure I will not be asked again..lol. I will not post anymore soon. As I said beforehand I am preoccupied writing a new book.

P.S. I am not writing to sell my book, but because I was given the choice of either writing it or verbally expressing the edict. You know my repugnance toward public speaking so it's a book..lol.
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Do you know why you don’t continually seek the return of Jesus like I do? Because you aren’t the forerunner.....all you have to do is wait for Elijah to show up.....you aren’t going in the rapture all you have to do is wait for Elijah to show up and then when he shows up be a judah to a Joseph until the throne room visit....your position is the simplest position available .....good for you..refuse to do a calling....let the other guy do it then show up ..doesn’t get more simple than that...lol

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Re: Rabbi Kaduri Predicted 40 Years Ago: Israel Elections But No Government will bring moshiach....This is happening right now in Israel
8:30 - 10:00 minutes after the government falls a third time before it can be rebuilt a 4th time messiah Ben David will come......so Israeli government just fell for the third time last night and the next Israeli election is March 25 2021 and they get 3 weeks to form a government allowing until about April 15th/16th for messiah Ben David to arrive


Also it states the sabbath after the third elections fall then messiah Ben David will arrive.....if that is speaking of high sabbaths it would be speaking of one of the 7 major feasts which the next one will ne Passover 2021




Just happens to be Passover March 27th through April 4th 2021..../once Elijah arrives as he is the forerunner then David can show up
 Quoting: waterman


Don't you ever get tired of guessing when the Messiah returns? You've guessed these happenings over and over and over the yrs. and failed to even come close once. Stop giving the Christian community a bad name.

Guessing and prophesying are completely two different methods of information. Either prophesy and prove yourself wrong and foolish. Or guess and make the whole Christian community appear wrong and foolish.

Otherwise be silent on a subject you know very little about; or the timing we are now in. Elijah shall appear upon the scene but not now or three months from now or even 2-3 yrs. from now, and that is discerning prophesy based on Scripture. And not some foolish guessing game you have long exhausted long, long, long ago.

It doesn't advance the cause of Christ agenda for someone claiming to follow him, claiming things, happenings and dates that never come to pass.

Besides it's a known long ago prophesy that Israel will only obtain 70 Shepherds/kings (Benjamin Netanyahu) being the 70th one reading backwards, until Israel's false messiah comes who they will believe he is the true Messiah. And that is a few yrs yet to come. So (Netanyahu) remains in his place a few yrs. yet according to prophesy if he is the last (70) shepherd in this time-frame!

Perhaps Elijah shall appear before that dark and terrible day. When that shall be; no man knows what time and place. It could be several time-frames.

There are many dark and terrible days ahead for humanity my friend. Jacob's troubles, Tribulations, Great Tribulations, or general desolation we witness throughout the World now on a daily basis; through starvation, earthquakes, riots on large scales, floods, fires, meteors, and great storms unprecedented, etc.

Anyone of theses event or a combination of them could induce dark and terrible days ahead thus bringing forth an Elijah. But he most likely will be hidden from most eyes anyhow, as he always is. He may come to the table (reserved for him) and they will ask him to depart. For they shall say to him: sir this seat is reserved for a great one!

Now I know you believe I should post more often. And that you have even ask me to. I am sure I will not be asked again..lol. I will not post anymore soon. As I said beforehand I am preoccupied writing a new book.

P.S. I am not writing to sell my book, but because I was given the choice of either writing it or verbally expressing the edict. You know my repugnance toward public speaking so it's a book..lol.
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Bout time you posted something other than a bump...lol. Elijah hidden?..lol...did God hide noah...did God hide Jonah or John the baptist or those he sent to forewarn the people?....the world will see Elijah

As far as the jues waiting for the "false messiah" I continually hours a day while setting my services listen to rabbi talk about the two anointed who are to come. You know who they can't wait for? David...so if David is the false messiah you might be in trouble...lol. The rabbi know those scriptures and they know the millennial kingdom is a davidic/levtic kingddom which makes it impossible for a melchelzedek Jesus and bride to rule on earth in a lesser davidic/levitic kingdom. Nobody comes to the Father but by faith in Jesus....if you are going to use faith in Jesus for salvation then you can't place Jesus on earth where everyone can see him.....if so then Jesus should have been on earth walking around during the gentiles testing of faith for the 2000 year duration of the age of grace. You don't need faith if the object of your faith in right in front of you in full glory and you see everybody that believed in him have glorified bodies walking around on earth.

You don't think elijah is going to show up before everybody in America/Ephraim gets vaccinated. God is going to let all the people get their dna changed before he does anything?....what would be the purpose if they are no longer redeemable?

Another thing rabbi kuduri said was when the anointed one arrives he will arrive in a way that seems unholy to the jues...now i've contemplated all the ways a nobody could get up on that world stage to bring a message on exactly passover week and I can't find a better one than to win a record breaking lottery. Win the lottery and one can pick the exact day he wants to be on the news to reveal he won. Both lotteries are at about 400 million right now which means about middle of february they will be in the 2 billion dollar range....which give a little over a month for passover march 27 - April 4 2021 and the arrival of elijah.

With Biden/Harris elected we have our Ahab/Jezzeble and once she steps down and obama returns to the stage we will have the beast that was that was not and that is again. He will give power to the 10 nation for a time and judgement will fall on america/ephraim..........I don't have to tell you the beast means his government...obama being the beast means obamas government.

THanks for posting it gave me something to read...lol



P.S If you want me to review that book for ya let me know...lol


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I beg to differ with you; of course Elijah is not going to be recognized by unbelieving gentiles or otherwise or the world in general. Just as he was not recognized by the Pharisees at the time of John.

Or for that matter any other non-believer failing to recognize the workings of God. The Egyptians didn't recognize the workings of Moses. Neither, will they understand the times of the coming forth of the two witnesses. For they will also fail to be recognized by the World and all its unbelievers. Even to the point of being hated by the World and its inhabitants.

For it has always been so with those blind (unbelievers) toward the ways of God. So no he will not be recognized by the very ones he seeks to warn! Nevertheless, through God's grace some will hear and heed his calling/warnings.

I am leaving you in the hands of the Lord. Although I doubt he wants you.

Anyone believing they and the lottery is going to bring about an eternal event prophesied long ago. Without the apparent necessary need of God's assistance; but only through circumstances, speculations, reasoning, a soon coming vaccine and the obvious need for a new leadership in the land. Besides all that; everything seems lined-up and ready to go..lol.

All we need is an Elijah and I bet you have discovered him also just waiting on the sideline to receive, you believe, his anticipated glory in the eyes of the World.

Have you not yet recognize glory never is obtained for God's servants, only ridicule. Oh yes much shame and embarrassment also. Nevertheless, remember this, embarrassment leads toward correction and much embarrassment toward glory long later exposed/revealed/recognized.

Let's hope it doesn't rain that day and Elijah refuses to step outside to warn the populace..lol. Or perhaps Biden doesn't quite reach his goal. Or too many received the vaccine before God could intervene. Or the lottery doesn't come through in time to finance your grand scheme; so many scenarios so many things to go wrong.

But be assured and fear not, God' plan never fails. Not necessary the way we plan them but as he plans them. And our Elijah has been and remains full of surprises. Perhaps he will not even be who we thought he was at all!

My friend knowing the truth sets a man free. But seeing the truth requires humility. An attribute few possess. Therefore, I would advise you spend less time on speculation and more reliance on what the Word depicts for these times.

P.S. Why would I want you to review my new book? You couldn't comprehend or distinguish the character in my last book..lol. You definitely would be totally confused with a lion character representing a metaphor for a man in this new book..lol.
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Do you know the name for your book yet? I'd like to read it when the time comes
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It will be titled: "A Lion Chased Out Of The Wood". I have one already published in 2006, titled: "Enigmatic Sunrise" you can find it by its title thru Google.
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8:30 - 10:00 minutes after the government falls a third time before it can be rebuilt a 4th time messiah Ben David will come......so Israeli government just fell for the third time last night and the next Israeli election is March 25 2021 and they get 3 weeks to form a government allowing until about April 15th/16th for messiah Ben David to arrive


Also it states the sabbath after the third elections fall then messiah Ben David will arrive.....if that is speaking of high sabbaths it would be speaking of one of the 7 major feasts which the next one will ne Passover 2021




Just happens to be Passover March 27th through April 4th 2021..../once Elijah arrives as he is the forerunner then David can show up
 Quoting: waterman


Don't you ever get tired of guessing when the Messiah returns? You've guessed these happenings over and over and over the yrs. and failed to even come close once. Stop giving the Christian community a bad name.

Guessing and prophesying are completely two different methods of information. Either prophesy and prove yourself wrong and foolish. Or guess and make the whole Christian community appear wrong and foolish.

Otherwise be silent on a subject you know very little about; or the timing we are now in. Elijah shall appear upon the scene but not now or three months from now or even 2-3 yrs. from now, and that is discerning prophesy based on Scripture. And not some foolish guessing game you have long exhausted long, long, long ago.

It doesn't advance the cause of Christ agenda for someone claiming to follow him, claiming things, happenings and dates that never come to pass.

Besides it's a known long ago prophesy that Israel will only obtain 70 Shepherds/kings (Benjamin Netanyahu) being the 70th one reading backwards, until Israel's false messiah comes who they will believe he is the true Messiah. And that is a few yrs yet to come. So (Netanyahu) remains in his place a few yrs. yet according to prophesy if he is the last (70) shepherd in this time-frame!

Perhaps Elijah shall appear before that dark and terrible day. When that shall be; no man knows what time and place. It could be several time-frames.

There are many dark and terrible days ahead for humanity my friend. Jacob's troubles, Tribulations, Great Tribulations, or general desolation we witness throughout the World now on a daily basis; through starvation, earthquakes, riots on large scales, floods, fires, meteors, and great storms unprecedented, etc.

Anyone of theses event or a combination of them could induce dark and terrible days ahead thus bringing forth an Elijah. But he most likely will be hidden from most eyes anyhow, as he always is. He may come to the table (reserved for him) and they will ask him to depart. For they shall say to him: sir this seat is reserved for a great one!

Now I know you believe I should post more often. And that you have even ask me to. I am sure I will not be asked again..lol. I will not post anymore soon. As I said beforehand I am preoccupied writing a new book.

P.S. I am not writing to sell my book, but because I was given the choice of either writing it or verbally expressing the edict. You know my repugnance toward public speaking so it's a book..lol.
 Quoting: S-wordlike



Bout time you posted something other than a bump...lol. Elijah hidden?..lol...did God hide noah...did God hide Jonah or John the baptist or those he sent to forewarn the people?....the world will see Elijah

As far as the jues waiting for the "false messiah" I continually hours a day while setting my services listen to rabbi talk about the two anointed who are to come. You know who they can't wait for? David...so if David is the false messiah you might be in trouble...lol. The rabbi know those scriptures and they know the millennial kingdom is a davidic/levtic kingddom which makes it impossible for a melchelzedek Jesus and bride to rule on earth in a lesser davidic/levitic kingdom. Nobody comes to the Father but by faith in Jesus....if you are going to use faith in Jesus for salvation then you can't place Jesus on earth where everyone can see him.....if so then Jesus should have been on earth walking around during the gentiles testing of faith for the 2000 year duration of the age of grace. You don't need faith if the object of your faith in right in front of you in full glory and you see everybody that believed in him have glorified bodies walking around on earth.

You don't think elijah is going to show up before everybody in America/Ephraim gets vaccinated. God is going to let all the people get their dna changed before he does anything?....what would be the purpose if they are no longer redeemable?

Another thing rabbi kuduri said was when the anointed one arrives he will arrive in a way that seems unholy to the jues...now i've contemplated all the ways a nobody could get up on that world stage to bring a message on exactly passover week and I can't find a better one than to win a record breaking lottery. Win the lottery and one can pick the exact day he wants to be on the news to reveal he won. Both lotteries are at about 400 million right now which means about middle of february they will be in the 2 billion dollar range....which give a little over a month for passover march 27 - April 4 2021 and the arrival of elijah.

With Biden/Harris elected we have our Ahab/Jezzeble and once she steps down and obama returns to the stage we will have the beast that was that was not and that is again. He will give power to the 10 nation for a time and judgement will fall on america/ephraim..........I don't have to tell you the beast means his government...obama being the beast means obamas government.

THanks for posting it gave me something to read...lol



P.S If you want me to review that book for ya let me know...lol


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I beg to differ with you; of course Elijah is not going to be recognized by unbelieving gentiles or otherwise or the world in general. Just as he was not recognized by the Pharisees at the time of John.

Or for that matter any other non-believer failing to recognize the workings of God. The Egyptians didn't recognize the workings of Moses. Neither, will they understand the times of the coming forth of the two witnesses. For they will also fail to be recognized by the World and all its unbelievers. Even to the point of being hated by the World and its inhabitants.

For it has always been so with those blind (unbelievers) toward the ways of God. So no he will not be recognized by the very ones he seeks to warn! Nevertheless, through God's grace some will hear and heed his calling/warnings.

I am leaving you in the hands of the Lord. Although I doubt he wants you.

Anyone believing they and the lottery is going to bring about an eternal event prophesied long ago. Without the apparent necessary need of God's assistance; but only through circumstances, speculations, reasoning, a soon coming vaccine and the obvious need for a new leadership in the land. Besides all that; everything seems lined-up and ready to go..lol.

All we need is an Elijah and I bet you have discovered him also just waiting on the sideline to receive, you believe, his anticipated glory in the eyes of the World.

Have you not yet recognize glory never is obtained for God's servants, only ridicule. Oh yes much shame and embarrassment also. Nevertheless, remember this, embarrassment leads toward correction and much embarrassment toward glory long later exposed/revealed/recognized.

Let's hope it doesn't rain that day and Elijah refuses to step outside to warn the populace..lol. Or perhaps Biden doesn't quite reach his goal. Or too many received the vaccine before God could intervene. Or the lottery doesn't come through in time to finance your grand scheme; so many scenarios so many things to go wrong.

But be assured and fear not, God' plan never fails. Not necessary the way we plan them but as he plans them. And our Elijah has been and remains full of surprises. Perhaps he will not even be who we thought he was at all!

My friend knowing the truth sets a man free. But seeing the truth requires humility. An attribute few possess. Therefore, I would advise you spend less time on speculation and more reliance on what the Word depicts for these times.

P.S. Why would I want you to review my new book? You couldn't comprehend or distinguish the character in my last book..lol. You definitely would be totally confused with a lion character representing a metaphor for a man in this new book..lol.
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Lol I doubt I will get too wet in a studio although I’m out in the elements rain snow sleet 40 mile an hour wind etc on average of 4 to 5 hours a day 6 days a week for my job so I’m pretty sure I’m not afraid to get cold or wet...lol

The bride has to leave before judgement comes and judgement comes on the day of Jacobs trouble which is rosh hashannah. So if the bride leaves before rosh hashannah then the previous feast day is Pentecost. Pentecost is also a dispensation changer feast....we saw the law was given on that day and the church age began that day so it would make sense that the next dispensation will start on a future Pentecost once the age of grace is finished.

So if judgement is on rosh hashannah and the bride leaves on the prior Pentecost the Elijah should show up just prior to the dispensation change as Elijah restores the previous davidic/levitic kingdom. So Passover 2021 is looking like a high watch time for elijah especially with forced vaccinations on the horizon

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8:30 - 10:00 minutes after the government falls a third time before it can be rebuilt a 4th time messiah Ben David will come......so Israeli government just fell for the third time last night and the next Israeli election is March 25 2021 and they get 3 weeks to form a government allowing until about April 15th/16th for messiah Ben David to arrive


Also it states the sabbath after the third elections fall then messiah Ben David will arrive.....if that is speaking of high sabbaths it would be speaking of one of the 7 major feasts which the next one will ne Passover 2021




Just happens to be Passover March 27th through April 4th 2021..../once Elijah arrives as he is the forerunner then David can show up
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Don't you ever get tired of guessing when the Messiah returns? You've guessed these happenings over and over and over the yrs. and failed to even come close once. Stop giving the Christian community a bad name.

Guessing and prophesying are completely two different methods of information. Either prophesy and prove yourself wrong and foolish. Or guess and make the whole Christian community appear wrong and foolish.

Otherwise be silent on a subject you know very little about; or the timing we are now in. Elijah shall appear upon the scene but not now or three months from now or even 2-3 yrs. from now, and that is discerning prophesy based on Scripture. And not some foolish guessing game you have long exhausted long, long, long ago.

It doesn't advance the cause of Christ agenda for someone claiming to follow him, claiming things, happenings and dates that never come to pass.

Besides it's a known long ago prophesy that Israel will only obtain 70 Shepherds/kings (Benjamin Netanyahu) being the 70th one reading backwards, until Israel's false messiah comes who they will believe he is the true Messiah. And that is a few yrs yet to come. So (Netanyahu) remains in his place a few yrs. yet according to prophesy if he is the last (70) shepherd in this time-frame!

Perhaps Elijah shall appear before that dark and terrible day. When that shall be; no man knows what time and place. It could be several time-frames.

There are many dark and terrible days ahead for humanity my friend. Jacob's troubles, Tribulations, Great Tribulations, or general desolation we witness throughout the World now on a daily basis; through starvation, earthquakes, riots on large scales, floods, fires, meteors, and great storms unprecedented, etc.

Anyone of theses event or a combination of them could induce dark and terrible days ahead thus bringing forth an Elijah. But he most likely will be hidden from most eyes anyhow, as he always is. He may come to the table (reserved for him) and they will ask him to depart. For they shall say to him: sir this seat is reserved for a great one!

Now I know you believe I should post more often. And that you have even ask me to. I am sure I will not be asked again..lol. I will not post anymore soon. As I said beforehand I am preoccupied writing a new book.

P.S. I am not writing to sell my book, but because I was given the choice of either writing it or verbally expressing the edict. You know my repugnance toward public speaking so it's a book..lol.
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Bout time you posted something other than a bump...lol. Elijah hidden?..lol...did God hide noah...did God hide Jonah or John the baptist or those he sent to forewarn the people?....the world will see Elijah

As far as the jues waiting for the "false messiah" I continually hours a day while setting my services listen to rabbi talk about the two anointed who are to come. You know who they can't wait for? David...so if David is the false messiah you might be in trouble...lol. The rabbi know those scriptures and they know the millennial kingdom is a davidic/levtic kingddom which makes it impossible for a melchelzedek Jesus and bride to rule on earth in a lesser davidic/levitic kingdom. Nobody comes to the Father but by faith in Jesus....if you are going to use faith in Jesus for salvation then you can't place Jesus on earth where everyone can see him.....if so then Jesus should have been on earth walking around during the gentiles testing of faith for the 2000 year duration of the age of grace. You don't need faith if the object of your faith in right in front of you in full glory and you see everybody that believed in him have glorified bodies walking around on earth.

You don't think elijah is going to show up before everybody in America/Ephraim gets vaccinated. God is going to let all the people get their dna changed before he does anything?....what would be the purpose if they are no longer redeemable?

Another thing rabbi kuduri said was when the anointed one arrives he will arrive in a way that seems unholy to the jues...now i've contemplated all the ways a nobody could get up on that world stage to bring a message on exactly passover week and I can't find a better one than to win a record breaking lottery. Win the lottery and one can pick the exact day he wants to be on the news to reveal he won. Both lotteries are at about 400 million right now which means about middle of february they will be in the 2 billion dollar range....which give a little over a month for passover march 27 - April 4 2021 and the arrival of elijah.

With Biden/Harris elected we have our Ahab/Jezzeble and once she steps down and obama returns to the stage we will have the beast that was that was not and that is again. He will give power to the 10 nation for a time and judgement will fall on america/ephraim..........I don't have to tell you the beast means his government...obama being the beast means obamas government.

THanks for posting it gave me something to read...lol



P.S If you want me to review that book for ya let me know...lol


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I beg to differ with you; of course Elijah is not going to be recognized by unbelieving gentiles or otherwise or the world in general. Just as he was not recognized by the Pharisees at the time of John.

Or for that matter any other non-believer failing to recognize the workings of God. The Egyptians didn't recognize the workings of Moses. Neither, will they understand the times of the coming forth of the two witnesses. For they will also fail to be recognized by the World and all its unbelievers. Even to the point of being hated by the World and its inhabitants.

For it has always been so with those blind (unbelievers) toward the ways of God. So no he will not be recognized by the very ones he seeks to warn! Nevertheless, through God's grace some will hear and heed his calling/warnings.

I am leaving you in the hands of the Lord. Although I doubt he wants you.

Anyone believing they and the lottery is going to bring about an eternal event prophesied long ago. Without the apparent necessary need of God's assistance; but only through circumstances, speculations, reasoning, a soon coming vaccine and the obvious need for a new leadership in the land. Besides all that; everything seems lined-up and ready to go..lol.

All we need is an Elijah and I bet you have discovered him also just waiting on the sideline to receive, you believe, his anticipated glory in the eyes of the World.

Have you not yet recognize glory never is obtained for God's servants, only ridicule. Oh yes much shame and embarrassment also. Nevertheless, remember this, embarrassment leads toward correction and much embarrassment toward glory long later exposed/revealed/recognized.

Let's hope it doesn't rain that day and Elijah refuses to step outside to warn the populace..lol. Or perhaps Biden doesn't quite reach his goal. Or too many received the vaccine before God could intervene. Or the lottery doesn't come through in time to finance your grand scheme; so many scenarios so many things to go wrong.

But be assured and fear not, God' plan never fails. Not necessary the way we plan them but as he plans them. And our Elijah has been and remains full of surprises. Perhaps he will not even be who we thought he was at all!

My friend knowing the truth sets a man free. But seeing the truth requires humility. An attribute few possess. Therefore, I would advise you spend less time on speculation and more reliance on what the Word depicts for these times.

P.S. Why would I want you to review my new book? You couldn't comprehend or distinguish the character in my last book..lol. You definitely would be totally confused with a lion character representing a metaphor for a man in this new book..lol.
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‘I’m leaving you in the hands of the lord although I doubt he wants you”....who says that but one who is an adversary/opposer of another?


Satan definition:

“Satan”: This could also be translated “adversary” and thus the person’s identity would be unknown.

The original Heb.term satan is a generic noun meaning "accuser" or "adversary", which is used throughout the Heb. Bible to refer to ordinary human adversaries,as well as a specific supernatural entity. The word is derived from a verb meaning primarily "to obstruct, oppose".When it is used without the definite article (simply satan), the word can refer to any accuser,but when it is used with the definite article (ha-satan), it usually refers specifically to the heavenly accuser: the satan.


Zechariah 3:1:
Young's Literal Translation
And he sheweth me Joshua the high priest standing before the messenger of Jehovah, and the Adversary standing at his right hand, to be an adversary to him.


Isaiah 11:13:

The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.


Judah’s have a problem stopping playing “monster” with Joseph’s ...that’s why it takes a throne room visit/rebuke by God to end it...lol..after that we will be at Isaiah 11:13

Hmmm if only the high priest knew who would be his adversary...lol

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Don't you ever get tired of guessing when the Messiah returns? You've guessed these happenings over and over and over the yrs. and failed to even come close once. Stop giving the Christian community a bad name.

Guessing and prophesying are completely two different methods of information. Either prophesy and prove yourself wrong and foolish. Or guess and make the whole Christian community appear wrong and foolish.

Otherwise be silent on a subject you know very little about; or the timing we are now in. Elijah shall appear upon the scene but not now or three months from now or even 2-3 yrs. from now, and that is discerning prophesy based on Scripture. And not some foolish guessing game you have long exhausted long, long, long ago.

It doesn't advance the cause of Christ agenda for someone claiming to follow him, claiming things, happenings and dates that never come to pass.

Besides it's a known long ago prophesy that Israel will only obtain 70 Shepherds/kings (Benjamin Netanyahu) being the 70th one reading backwards, until Israel's false messiah comes who they will believe he is the true Messiah. And that is a few yrs yet to come. So (Netanyahu) remains in his place a few yrs. yet according to prophesy if he is the last (70) shepherd in this time-frame!

Perhaps Elijah shall appear before that dark and terrible day. When that shall be; no man knows what time and place. It could be several time-frames.

There are many dark and terrible days ahead for humanity my friend. Jacob's troubles, Tribulations, Great Tribulations, or general desolation we witness throughout the World now on a daily basis; through starvation, earthquakes, riots on large scales, floods, fires, meteors, and great storms unprecedented, etc.

Anyone of theses event or a combination of them could induce dark and terrible days ahead thus bringing forth an Elijah. But he most likely will be hidden from most eyes anyhow, as he always is. He may come to the table (reserved for him) and they will ask him to depart. For they shall say to him: sir this seat is reserved for a great one!

Now I know you believe I should post more often. And that you have even ask me to. I am sure I will not be asked again..lol. I will not post anymore soon. As I said beforehand I am preoccupied writing a new book.

P.S. I am not writing to sell my book, but because I was given the choice of either writing it or verbally expressing the edict. You know my repugnance toward public speaking so it's a book..lol.
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Bout time you posted something other than a bump...lol. Elijah hidden?..lol...did God hide noah...did God hide Jonah or John the baptist or those he sent to forewarn the people?....the world will see Elijah

As far as the jues waiting for the "false messiah" I continually hours a day while setting my services listen to rabbi talk about the two anointed who are to come. You know who they can't wait for? David...so if David is the false messiah you might be in trouble...lol. The rabbi know those scriptures and they know the millennial kingdom is a davidic/levtic kingddom which makes it impossible for a melchelzedek Jesus and bride to rule on earth in a lesser davidic/levitic kingdom. Nobody comes to the Father but by faith in Jesus....if you are going to use faith in Jesus for salvation then you can't place Jesus on earth where everyone can see him.....if so then Jesus should have been on earth walking around during the gentiles testing of faith for the 2000 year duration of the age of grace. You don't need faith if the object of your faith in right in front of you in full glory and you see everybody that believed in him have glorified bodies walking around on earth.

You don't think elijah is going to show up before everybody in America/Ephraim gets vaccinated. God is going to let all the people get their dna changed before he does anything?....what would be the purpose if they are no longer redeemable?

Another thing rabbi kuduri said was when the anointed one arrives he will arrive in a way that seems unholy to the jues...now i've contemplated all the ways a nobody could get up on that world stage to bring a message on exactly passover week and I can't find a better one than to win a record breaking lottery. Win the lottery and one can pick the exact day he wants to be on the news to reveal he won. Both lotteries are at about 400 million right now which means about middle of february they will be in the 2 billion dollar range....which give a little over a month for passover march 27 - April 4 2021 and the arrival of elijah.

With Biden/Harris elected we have our Ahab/Jezzeble and once she steps down and obama returns to the stage we will have the beast that was that was not and that is again. He will give power to the 10 nation for a time and judgement will fall on america/ephraim..........I don't have to tell you the beast means his government...obama being the beast means obamas government.

THanks for posting it gave me something to read...lol



P.S If you want me to review that book for ya let me know...lol


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I beg to differ with you; of course Elijah is not going to be recognized by unbelieving gentiles or otherwise or the world in general. Just as he was not recognized by the Pharisees at the time of John.

Or for that matter any other non-believer failing to recognize the workings of God. The Egyptians didn't recognize the workings of Moses. Neither, will they understand the times of the coming forth of the two witnesses. For they will also fail to be recognized by the World and all its unbelievers. Even to the point of being hated by the World and its inhabitants.

For it has always been so with those blind (unbelievers) toward the ways of God. So no he will not be recognized by the very ones he seeks to warn! Nevertheless, through God's grace some will hear and heed his calling/warnings.

I am leaving you in the hands of the Lord. Although I doubt he wants you.

Anyone believing they and the lottery is going to bring about an eternal event prophesied long ago. Without the apparent necessary need of God's assistance; but only through circumstances, speculations, reasoning, a soon coming vaccine and the obvious need for a new leadership in the land. Besides all that; everything seems lined-up and ready to go..lol.

All we need is an Elijah and I bet you have discovered him also just waiting on the sideline to receive, you believe, his anticipated glory in the eyes of the World.

Have you not yet recognize glory never is obtained for God's servants, only ridicule. Oh yes much shame and embarrassment also. Nevertheless, remember this, embarrassment leads toward correction and much embarrassment toward glory long later exposed/revealed/recognized.

Let's hope it doesn't rain that day and Elijah refuses to step outside to warn the populace..lol. Or perhaps Biden doesn't quite reach his goal. Or too many received the vaccine before God could intervene. Or the lottery doesn't come through in time to finance your grand scheme; so many scenarios so many things to go wrong.

But be assured and fear not, God' plan never fails. Not necessary the way we plan them but as he plans them. And our Elijah has been and remains full of surprises. Perhaps he will not even be who we thought he was at all!

My friend knowing the truth sets a man free. But seeing the truth requires humility. An attribute few possess. Therefore, I would advise you spend less time on speculation and more reliance on what the Word depicts for these times.

P.S. Why would I want you to review my new book? You couldn't comprehend or distinguish the character in my last book..lol. You definitely would be totally confused with a lion character representing a metaphor for a man in this new book..lol.
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‘I’m leaving you in the hands of the lord although I doubt he wants you”....who says that but one who is an adversary/opposer of another?


Satan definition:

“Satan”: This could also be translated “adversary” and thus the person’s identity would be unknown.

The original Heb.term satan is a generic noun meaning "accuser" or "adversary", which is used throughout the Heb. Bible to refer to ordinary human adversaries,as well as a specific supernatural entity. The word is derived from a verb meaning primarily "to obstruct, oppose".When it is used without the definite article (simply satan), the word can refer to any accuser,but when it is used with the definite article (ha-satan), it usually refers specifically to the heavenly accuser: the satan.


Zechariah 3:1:
Young's Literal Translation
And he sheweth me Joshua the high priest standing before the messenger of Jehovah, and the Adversary standing at his right hand, to be an adversary to him.


Isaiah 11:13:

The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.


Judah’s have a problem stopping playing “monster” with Joseph’s ...that’s why it takes a throne room visit/rebuke by God to end it...lol..after that we will be at Isaiah 11:13

Hmmm if only the high priest knew who would be his adversary...lol

Joseph and Judah
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Still living in your make believe own interpretive scriptural verses. Making no since and false claims of that high priest verse just as you use to do with your wicked priest interpretation. That actually had nothing to do with your original self-concept of the meaning of the wicked priest as one of the two witnesses. A completely different version/meaning of the wicked priest and its origin, Google: (wicked priest).

There is only going to be one individual in the throne room, not two as you fantasize. he is often referred to as the chosen ONE, not TWO!

There are three/four versions of that one man's visit to the throne room through different witnesses in scripture (2 Cor.13:1KJV). (John's vision) (Rev.12:5KJV)); as the man-child (Rev.12:5KJV), and as the overcomer in another vision (Rev.2:26-27KJV). (Daniel's vision) as the one LIKE the Son of man (Dan.7:13KJV). (Zechariah's vision) as the high priest (Zech.3:1KJV), who eventually becomes/transforms into the BRANCH (Zech.3:8KJV).

Thus, is the reason Joshua is no longer mentioned after the appearing of the BRANCH. Because the BRANCH inverted reveals another position of authority not previously recognized. An established one of king-ship and thus hiding on the other side of the priesthood.

Thus, the BRANCH is but one depiction of a twig that once finally burgeoned to its full revealing becomes that of a great BRANCH meant to only be shown in the light of its day.

But only with the other side hidden from view until walking (at the end of many generations), to view its other side. Only than appears a new concept of the same BRANCH seen differently in its inverse Positioning.

Thus, the reason for the exclusion of discussing the high priest/Joshua toward the other side of the BRANCH discussing the ruler-ship of that of Zerubbabel! Here is the meaning of the BRANCH one individual in one BRANCH but holding two hidden (so far at this time-frame) positions. A great mystery even hidden from those 24 elders sitting before Joshua eyes (Zech.3:8KJV). But its timing will appear in its placement!

Thus, branching off holding both offices as (high priest/and king-ship) (Joshua/Zerubbabel); as in the changing of his filthy garments and renewed with a new raiment of clothing (Zech.3:3-4KJV). As in the conformity of his Lord, (King of kings/High Priest).

Thus, fulfilling in these scriptural depictions; of all four prophecies of future scriptural promises during this man's reign, in/during the millennial age. (Ezekiel's vision) (Ezek.44:3-46:1-18KJV) as the prince (royalty) in/of Israel and a (priest) (Ezek.46:1-18KJV). Offering sacrifice on behalf of his subjects and himself. This man cannot be Jesus, Jesus is sinless, not needing to offer sacrifices on behalf of himself.

Notice all these positions of that one individual prophesied holds the same eventual role..to rule the nations/peoples and all languages. Thus, it is not disclosing two but one personage! Not the ruler-ship in the millennial age as the personage of Jesus. But a ruler-ship of a figure capable of sin, producing children and retaining a wife in so doing. None of these things I might add are needful of the resurrected Jesus. And he would have no desire or capacity within the realm of the physically aspects of life toward these purposes.

God confirms this testimony by placing two or more witnesses of this one future event through the witnesses of four examples of the same individual, the (man-child/overcomer/one LIKE the Son of man/Joshua/Zerubbabel).

STOP making up scriptural translations that substitutes Satan for another personage that the Word doesn't and never had intended to mean! The Word declares Satan, the Word means Satan. The Word is not confusing; man's interpretation of the Word is the confusing aspect of the scriptural conjecture!

He is the same Satan depicted as a dragon ready to devour the man-child before he begins his commission (Rev.12:4) once back on earth. and both Joshua and that man-child is being attacked by that same Satan and are they are both the same ones called to the throne room in this depiction! And Satan wants to devour that one before for commission and his 3 and one half time-frame ceases to be.

And I can assure you before that time he was not comfortingly sitting by waiting for Elijah to announce him as you claim.

He will be experiencing hell on earth several years before that in a furnace of affliction and in a prison of torture and torment. Nevertheless, he will overcome all these adversities trusting in his God.

Read the adversities of Job's torment, tortures, and the dissolving of his sanity. For this will be the highest degree of the baptism the Lord was baptized with and the cup from which he drunk. As he demands of holy men and servants in the service of the Most High!

For The book of Job is written for that man of woe. Not Job the man then but a future Job to come, A prince hidden, a man sought out by Satan to destroy. Fearing it will lead toward his own demise; within His almighty power of authority and His unquenchable fury in His display of His fiery displeasure against that evil one.

For Job knew not the meaning of his prophesying or the utterance of that Spirit or its meaning hidden at the end of his words/work/book.. For he, him-self declared in the last chapter of his sayings: I understood not the words I spoke or of the utterance of my prophecies I spoke, for God hide them from me.

(Job.42:3KJV) Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? Therefore have I uttered that which I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.

For Job knew in part those utterance were not prophesying about him but another one hidden for a future explanation. Thus, the mystery of the book of job remains hidden, until its fulfillment comes to be. Then shall it be revealed and spoken often in the mouths of coming generations.

For Job knew men were foolish and are without understanding and their hearts deceive their knowing. For they regard themselves as the children when they are not seeing their own time.

(Job.24:1KJV)WHY, SEEING times are not hidden from the Almighty, do they that know him not see his days?


Now we have gone over these same subjects many times and you insist that your version of these scriptural meanings have nothing to do with one individual but two.

But I nevertheless Waterman can understand why you would and want to believe that way. Without that version of your demented interpretation you would be excluded as one of the possible two witnesses of (Rev.11)!

A position you continually claim and boast is your position and possession. Not by any confirmations or visitation to declare such a thing, neither of no other witnesses in agreement with your claim has God sent forth.

Only because you and several hundred others also has come to the conclusion that they are also that Elijah figure or some other great one that mankind is waiting to appear upon the scene of humanities destiny!

And I can understand why any man such as you, would believe as you do, that Jacob/Israel are the names of two separate individual; instead of the same individual with two names. That there are two riders on the white horse/steed who went forth conquering (overcoming) (Rev.6:2KJV), as you believe. That Mary might have had an affair with a man to bring forth Jesus, as you believe. And some if not many other antithesis versions of scriptural misunderstanding you insist on holding on to.


Yes I can understand why you seek to conjure up unscriptual interpretations of your own twisting of scriptural meanings to seek a position of recognition of grandiose.

Yet, you are so blinded by this ambition that you fail to see how blind that ambition has made you or who it is that leads you toward this doom.

Wake up my friend before your blind ambitions cause you to believe you are the greatest man ever created...oh you already believe that don't you..sorry but you are not that man! For he must be the one least among us, and desiring no recognition...to fit that order.

He will detest all competition of any order and would prefer solitude to recognition. Solace to conflict. The lime light only blinds him; and he only seeks wisdom at the cost of humility. His only desire will always be and continually remains the glorification of his God in His Form, in His Body and in His Spirit.

No other ambition I believe is compared to this goal for mankind. And no greater glorification shall man/women ever receive in the ages to come but for this one singular goal above all others. All other boasting is of the works and the rewards of the stubble, hay and wood, to burn for a light toward a different path/direction/goal we should seek!

Now we have discussed this more than need be. Your mindset seems to be established my son, one who has sit and ate bread at my table...need I say more!
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Bout time you posted something other than a bump...lol. Elijah hidden?..lol...did God hide noah...did God hide Jonah or John the baptist or those he sent to forewarn the people?....the world will see Elijah

As far as the jues waiting for the "false messiah" I continually hours a day while setting my services listen to rabbi talk about the two anointed who are to come. You know who they can't wait for? David...so if David is the false messiah you might be in trouble...lol. The rabbi know those scriptures and they know the millennial kingdom is a davidic/levtic kingddom which makes it impossible for a melchelzedek Jesus and bride to rule on earth in a lesser davidic/levitic kingdom. Nobody comes to the Father but by faith in Jesus....if you are going to use faith in Jesus for salvation then you can't place Jesus on earth where everyone can see him.....if so then Jesus should have been on earth walking around during the gentiles testing of faith for the 2000 year duration of the age of grace. You don't need faith if the object of your faith in right in front of you in full glory and you see everybody that believed in him have glorified bodies walking around on earth.

You don't think elijah is going to show up before everybody in America/Ephraim gets vaccinated. God is going to let all the people get their dna changed before he does anything?....what would be the purpose if they are no longer redeemable?

Another thing rabbi kuduri said was when the anointed one arrives he will arrive in a way that seems unholy to the jues...now i've contemplated all the ways a nobody could get up on that world stage to bring a message on exactly passover week and I can't find a better one than to win a record breaking lottery. Win the lottery and one can pick the exact day he wants to be on the news to reveal he won. Both lotteries are at about 400 million right now which means about middle of february they will be in the 2 billion dollar range....which give a little over a month for passover march 27 - April 4 2021 and the arrival of elijah.

With Biden/Harris elected we have our Ahab/Jezzeble and once she steps down and obama returns to the stage we will have the beast that was that was not and that is again. He will give power to the 10 nation for a time and judgement will fall on america/ephraim..........I don't have to tell you the beast means his government...obama being the beast means obamas government.

THanks for posting it gave me something to read...lol



P.S If you want me to review that book for ya let me know...lol


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I beg to differ with you; of course Elijah is not going to be recognized by unbelieving gentiles or otherwise or the world in general. Just as he was not recognized by the Pharisees at the time of John.

Or for that matter any other non-believer failing to recognize the workings of God. The Egyptians didn't recognize the workings of Moses. Neither, will they understand the times of the coming forth of the two witnesses. For they will also fail to be recognized by the World and all its unbelievers. Even to the point of being hated by the World and its inhabitants.

For it has always been so with those blind (unbelievers) toward the ways of God. So no he will not be recognized by the very ones he seeks to warn! Nevertheless, through God's grace some will hear and heed his calling/warnings.

I am leaving you in the hands of the Lord. Although I doubt he wants you.

Anyone believing they and the lottery is going to bring about an eternal event prophesied long ago. Without the apparent necessary need of God's assistance; but only through circumstances, speculations, reasoning, a soon coming vaccine and the obvious need for a new leadership in the land. Besides all that; everything seems lined-up and ready to go..lol.

All we need is an Elijah and I bet you have discovered him also just waiting on the sideline to receive, you believe, his anticipated glory in the eyes of the World.

Have you not yet recognize glory never is obtained for God's servants, only ridicule. Oh yes much shame and embarrassment also. Nevertheless, remember this, embarrassment leads toward correction and much embarrassment toward glory long later exposed/revealed/recognized.

Let's hope it doesn't rain that day and Elijah refuses to step outside to warn the populace..lol. Or perhaps Biden doesn't quite reach his goal. Or too many received the vaccine before God could intervene. Or the lottery doesn't come through in time to finance your grand scheme; so many scenarios so many things to go wrong.

But be assured and fear not, God' plan never fails. Not necessary the way we plan them but as he plans them. And our Elijah has been and remains full of surprises. Perhaps he will not even be who we thought he was at all!

My friend knowing the truth sets a man free. But seeing the truth requires humility. An attribute few possess. Therefore, I would advise you spend less time on speculation and more reliance on what the Word depicts for these times.

P.S. Why would I want you to review my new book? You couldn't comprehend or distinguish the character in my last book..lol. You definitely would be totally confused with a lion character representing a metaphor for a man in this new book..lol.
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‘I’m leaving you in the hands of the lord although I doubt he wants you”....who says that but one who is an adversary/opposer of another?


Satan definition:

“Satan”: This could also be translated “adversary” and thus the person’s identity would be unknown.

The original Heb.term satan is a generic noun meaning "accuser" or "adversary", which is used throughout the Heb. Bible to refer to ordinary human adversaries,as well as a specific supernatural entity. The word is derived from a verb meaning primarily "to obstruct, oppose".When it is used without the definite article (simply satan), the word can refer to any accuser,but when it is used with the definite article (ha-satan), it usually refers specifically to the heavenly accuser: the satan.


Zechariah 3:1:
Young's Literal Translation
And he sheweth me Joshua the high priest standing before the messenger of Jehovah, and the Adversary standing at his right hand, to be an adversary to him.


Isaiah 11:13:

The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.


Judah’s have a problem stopping playing “monster” with Joseph’s ...that’s why it takes a throne room visit/rebuke by God to end it...lol..after that we will be at Isaiah 11:13

Hmmm if only the high priest knew who would be his adversary...lol

Joseph and Judah
 Quoting: waterman

Still living in your make believe own interpretive scriptural verses. Making no since and false claims of that high priest verse just as you use to do with your wicked priest interpretation. That actually had nothing to do with your original self-concept of the meaning of the wicked priest as one of the two witnesses. A completely different version/meaning of the wicked priest and its origin, Google: (wicked priest).

There is only going to be one individual in the throne room, not two as you fantasize. he is often referred to as the chosen ONE, not TWO!

There are three/four versions of that one man's visit to the throne room through different witnesses in scripture (2 Cor.13:1KJV). (John's vision) (Rev.12:5KJV)); as the man-child (Rev.12:5KJV), and as the overcomer in another vision (Rev.2:26-27KJV). (Daniel's vision) as the one LIKE the Son of man (Dan.7:13KJV). (Zechariah's vision) as the high priest (Zech.3:1KJV), who eventually becomes/transforms into the BRANCH (Zech.3:8KJV).

Thus, is the reason Joshua is no longer mentioned after the appearing of the BRANCH. Because the BRANCH inverted reveals another position of authority not previously recognized. An established one of king-ship and thus hiding on the other side of the priesthood.

Thus, the BRANCH is but one depiction of a twig that once finally burgeoned to its full revealing becomes that of a great BRANCH meant to only be shown in the light of its day.

But only with the other side hidden from view until walking (at the end of many generations), to view its other side. Only than appears a new concept of the same BRANCH seen differently in its inverse Positioning.

Thus, the reason for the exclusion of discussing the high priest/Joshua toward the other side of the BRANCH discussing the ruler-ship of that of Zerubbabel! Here is the meaning of the BRANCH one individual in one BRANCH but holding two hidden (so far at this time-frame) positions. A great mystery even hidden from those 24 elders sitting before Joshua eyes (Zech.3:8KJV). But its timing will appear in its placement!

Thus, branching off holding both offices as (high priest/and king-ship) (Joshua/Zerubbabel); as in the changing of his filthy garments and renewed with a new raiment of clothing (Zech.3:3-4KJV). As in the conformity of his Lord, (King of kings/High Priest).

Thus, fulfilling in these scriptural depictions; of all four prophecies of future scriptural promises during this man's reign, in/during the millennial age. (Ezekiel's vision) (Ezek.44:3-46:1-18KJV) as the prince (royalty) in/of Israel and a (priest) (Ezek.46:1-18KJV). Offering sacrifice on behalf of his subjects and himself. This man cannot be Jesus, Jesus is sinless, not needing to offer sacrifices on behalf of himself.

Notice all these positions of that one individual prophesied holds the same eventual role..to rule the nations/peoples and all languages. Thus, it is not disclosing two but one personage! Not the ruler-ship in the millennial age as the personage of Jesus. But a ruler-ship of a figure capable of sin, producing children and retaining a wife in so doing. None of these things I might add are needful of the resurrected Jesus. And he would have no desire or capacity within the realm of the physically aspects of life toward these purposes.

God confirms this testimony by placing two or more witnesses of this one future event through the witnesses of four examples of the same individual, the (man-child/overcomer/one LIKE the Son of man/Joshua/Zerubbabel).

STOP making up scriptural translations that substitutes Satan for another personage that the Word doesn't and never had intended to mean! The Word declares Satan, the Word means Satan. The Word is not confusing; man's interpretation of the Word is the confusing aspect of the scriptural conjecture!

He is the same Satan depicted as a dragon ready to devour the man-child before he begins his commission (Rev.12:4) once back on earth. and both Joshua and that man-child is being attacked by that same Satan and are they are both the same ones called to the throne room in this depiction! And Satan wants to devour that one before for commission and his 3 and one half time-frame ceases to be.

And I can assure you before that time he was not comfortingly sitting by waiting for Elijah to announce him as you claim.

He will be experiencing hell on earth several years before that in a furnace of affliction and in a prison of torture and torment. Nevertheless, he will overcome all these adversities trusting in his God.

Read the adversities of Job's torment, tortures, and the dissolving of his sanity. For this will be the highest degree of the baptism the Lord was baptized with and the cup from which he drunk. As he demands of holy men and servants in the service of the Most High!

For The book of Job is written for that man of woe. Not Job the man then but a future Job to come, A prince hidden, a man sought out by Satan to destroy. Fearing it will lead toward his own demise; within His almighty power of authority and His unquenchable fury in His display of His fiery displeasure against that evil one.

For Job knew not the meaning of his prophesying or the utterance of that Spirit or its meaning hidden at the end of his words/work/book.. For he, him-self declared in the last chapter of his sayings: I understood not the words I spoke or of the utterance of my prophecies I spoke, for God hide them from me.

(Job.42:3KJV) Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? Therefore have I uttered that which I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.

For Job knew in part those utterance were not prophesying about him but another one hidden for a future explanation. Thus, the mystery of the book of job remains hidden, until its fulfillment comes to be. Then shall it be revealed and spoken often in the mouths of coming generations.

For Job knew men were foolish and are without understanding and their hearts deceive their knowing. For they regard themselves as the children when they are not seeing their own time.

(Job.24:1KJV)WHY, SEEING times are not hidden from the Almighty, do they that know him not see his days?


Now we have gone over these same subjects many times and you insist that your version of these scriptural meanings have nothing to do with one individual but two.

But I nevertheless Waterman can understand why you would and want to believe that way. Without that version of your demented interpretation you would be excluded as one of the possible two witnesses of (Rev.11)!

A position you continually claim and boast is your position and possession. Not by any confirmations or visitation to declare such a thing, neither of no other witnesses in agreement with your claim has God sent forth.

Only because you and several hundred others also has come to the conclusion that they are also that Elijah figure or some other great one that mankind is waiting to appear upon the scene of humanities destiny!

And I can understand why any man such as you, would believe as you do, that Jacob/Israel are the names of two separate individual; instead of the same individual with two names. That there are two riders on the white horse/steed who went forth conquering (overcoming) (Rev.6:2KJV), as you believe. That Mary might have had an affair with a man to bring forth Jesus, as you believe. And some if not many other antithesis versions of scriptural misunderstanding you insist on holding on to.


Yes I can understand why you seek to conjure up unscriptual interpretations of your own twisting of scriptural meanings to seek a position of recognition of grandiose.

Yet, you are so blinded by this ambition that you fail to see how blind that ambition has made you or who it is that leads you toward this doom.

Wake up my friend before your blind ambitions cause you to believe you are the greatest man ever created...oh you already believe that don't you..sorry but you are not that man! For he must be the one least among us, and desiring no recognition...to fit that order.

He will detest all competition of any order and would prefer solitude to recognition. Solace to conflict. The lime light only blinds him; and he only seeks wisdom at the cost of humility. His only desire will always be and continually remains the glorification of his God in His Form, in His Body and in His Spirit.

No other ambition I believe is compared to this goal for mankind. And no greater glorification shall man/women ever receive in the ages to come but for this one singular goal above all others. All other boasting is of the works and the rewards of the stubble, hay and wood, to burn for a light toward a different path/direction/goal we should seek!

Now we have discussed this more than need be. Your mindset seems to be established my son, one who has sit and ate bread at my table...need I say more!
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I see you still lack the understanding that the millennial kingdom will be a davidic/levitic kingdom meaning separation of the kingship and priesthood. Also when Zechariah and revelation state there will be two anointed it doesn’t mean one anointed it means two. The book of Zechariah and book of revelation are connected books this is why you see the high priest Joshua being given priestly dominion in Zechariah and you see in revelation the man-child being given kingship dominion in revelation because the two books are a continuation

There will be no melchelzedek order kingship/priesthood on earth during the millennium as that is reserved for the heavenly realm and those who will dwell in heaven during the millennium.


The 2000 year age of grace was to make the gentiles kings and priests in heaven. The next 1000 year millennium is to make the Israelites and earth dwelling gentiles kings and priests when the new earth comes after the millennium......so for the duration of the millennium it will be davidic/levitic again meaning separation of the earthly kingship/priesthood.

You try to extend the brides covenant into the millennium.....the earth will not be the melchelzedek order covenant. The people on earth will not be kings and priests until after the millennium when the new heaven and new earth come where the two anointed sit on the left and right of Jesus.....to sit on his left and right both have to drink from the cup again showing two anointed not one anointed.

drinkthecup1

leftrightkingpri




P.S I looked up the synonyms for “wicked” as in wicked priest here is the link and the synonyms are an illicit priest, an illegal priest, an unlawful priest or an illegitimate priest....which is what a davidic king would be in a levitic priesthood kingdom if he tried to be the high priest on earth during the millennium.....I looked it up for you so you won’t be surprised in the end....you’re welcome:

Link:

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I beg to differ with you; of course Elijah is not going to be recognized by unbelieving gentiles or otherwise or the world in general. Just as he was not recognized by the Pharisees at the time of John.

Or for that matter any other non-believer failing to recognize the workings of God. The Egyptians didn't recognize the workings of Moses. Neither, will they understand the times of the coming forth of the two witnesses. For they will also fail to be recognized by the World and all its unbelievers. Even to the point of being hated by the World and its inhabitants.

For it has always been so with those blind (unbelievers) toward the ways of God. So no he will not be recognized by the very ones he seeks to warn! Nevertheless, through God's grace some will hear and heed his calling/warnings.

I am leaving you in the hands of the Lord. Although I doubt he wants you.

Anyone believing they and the lottery is going to bring about an eternal event prophesied long ago. Without the apparent necessary need of God's assistance; but only through circumstances, speculations, reasoning, a soon coming vaccine and the obvious need for a new leadership in the land. Besides all that; everything seems lined-up and ready to go..lol.

All we need is an Elijah and I bet you have discovered him also just waiting on the sideline to receive, you believe, his anticipated glory in the eyes of the World.

Have you not yet recognize glory never is obtained for God's servants, only ridicule. Oh yes much shame and embarrassment also. Nevertheless, remember this, embarrassment leads toward correction and much embarrassment toward glory long later exposed/revealed/recognized.

Let's hope it doesn't rain that day and Elijah refuses to step outside to warn the populace..lol. Or perhaps Biden doesn't quite reach his goal. Or too many received the vaccine before God could intervene. Or the lottery doesn't come through in time to finance your grand scheme; so many scenarios so many things to go wrong.

But be assured and fear not, God' plan never fails. Not necessary the way we plan them but as he plans them. And our Elijah has been and remains full of surprises. Perhaps he will not even be who we thought he was at all!

My friend knowing the truth sets a man free. But seeing the truth requires humility. An attribute few possess. Therefore, I would advise you spend less time on speculation and more reliance on what the Word depicts for these times.

P.S. Why would I want you to review my new book? You couldn't comprehend or distinguish the character in my last book..lol. You definitely would be totally confused with a lion character representing a metaphor for a man in this new book..lol.
 Quoting: S-wordlike


‘I’m leaving you in the hands of the lord although I doubt he wants you”....who says that but one who is an adversary/opposer of another?


Satan definition:

“Satan”: This could also be translated “adversary” and thus the person’s identity would be unknown.

The original Heb.term satan is a generic noun meaning "accuser" or "adversary", which is used throughout the Heb. Bible to refer to ordinary human adversaries,as well as a specific supernatural entity. The word is derived from a verb meaning primarily "to obstruct, oppose".When it is used without the definite article (simply satan), the word can refer to any accuser,but when it is used with the definite article (ha-satan), it usually refers specifically to the heavenly accuser: the satan.


Zechariah 3:1:
Young's Literal Translation
And he sheweth me Joshua the high priest standing before the messenger of Jehovah, and the Adversary standing at his right hand, to be an adversary to him.


Isaiah 11:13:

The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.


Judah’s have a problem stopping playing “monster” with Joseph’s ...that’s why it takes a throne room visit/rebuke by God to end it...lol..after that we will be at Isaiah 11:13

Hmmm if only the high priest knew who would be his adversary...lol

Joseph and Judah
 Quoting: waterman

Still living in your make believe own interpretive scriptural verses. Making no since and false claims of that high priest verse just as you use to do with your wicked priest interpretation. That actually had nothing to do with your original self-concept of the meaning of the wicked priest as one of the two witnesses. A completely different version/meaning of the wicked priest and its origin, Google: (wicked priest).

There is only going to be one individual in the throne room, not two as you fantasize. he is often referred to as the chosen ONE, not TWO!

There are three/four versions of that one man's visit to the throne room through different witnesses in scripture (2 Cor.13:1KJV). (John's vision) (Rev.12:5KJV)); as the man-child (Rev.12:5KJV), and as the overcomer in another vision (Rev.2:26-27KJV). (Daniel's vision) as the one LIKE the Son of man (Dan.7:13KJV). (Zechariah's vision) as the high priest (Zech.3:1KJV), who eventually becomes/transforms into the BRANCH (Zech.3:8KJV).

Thus, is the reason Joshua is no longer mentioned after the appearing of the BRANCH. Because the BRANCH inverted reveals another position of authority not previously recognized. An established one of king-ship and thus hiding on the other side of the priesthood.

Thus, the BRANCH is but one depiction of a twig that once finally burgeoned to its full revealing becomes that of a great BRANCH meant to only be shown in the light of its day.

But only with the other side hidden from view until walking (at the end of many generations), to view its other side. Only than appears a new concept of the same BRANCH seen differently in its inverse Positioning.

Thus, the reason for the exclusion of discussing the high priest/Joshua toward the other side of the BRANCH discussing the ruler-ship of that of Zerubbabel! Here is the meaning of the BRANCH one individual in one BRANCH but holding two hidden (so far at this time-frame) positions. A great mystery even hidden from those 24 elders sitting before Joshua eyes (Zech.3:8KJV). But its timing will appear in its placement!

Thus, branching off holding both offices as (high priest/and king-ship) (Joshua/Zerubbabel); as in the changing of his filthy garments and renewed with a new raiment of clothing (Zech.3:3-4KJV). As in the conformity of his Lord, (King of kings/High Priest).

Thus, fulfilling in these scriptural depictions; of all four prophecies of future scriptural promises during this man's reign, in/during the millennial age. (Ezekiel's vision) (Ezek.44:3-46:1-18KJV) as the prince (royalty) in/of Israel and a (priest) (Ezek.46:1-18KJV). Offering sacrifice on behalf of his subjects and himself. This man cannot be Jesus, Jesus is sinless, not needing to offer sacrifices on behalf of himself.

Notice all these positions of that one individual prophesied holds the same eventual role..to rule the nations/peoples and all languages. Thus, it is not disclosing two but one personage! Not the ruler-ship in the millennial age as the personage of Jesus. But a ruler-ship of a figure capable of sin, producing children and retaining a wife in so doing. None of these things I might add are needful of the resurrected Jesus. And he would have no desire or capacity within the realm of the physically aspects of life toward these purposes.

God confirms this testimony by placing two or more witnesses of this one future event through the witnesses of four examples of the same individual, the (man-child/overcomer/one LIKE the Son of man/Joshua/Zerubbabel).

STOP making up scriptural translations that substitutes Satan for another personage that the Word doesn't and never had intended to mean! The Word declares Satan, the Word means Satan. The Word is not confusing; man's interpretation of the Word is the confusing aspect of the scriptural conjecture!

He is the same Satan depicted as a dragon ready to devour the man-child before he begins his commission (Rev.12:4) once back on earth. and both Joshua and that man-child is being attacked by that same Satan and are they are both the same ones called to the throne room in this depiction! And Satan wants to devour that one before for commission and his 3 and one half time-frame ceases to be.

And I can assure you before that time he was not comfortingly sitting by waiting for Elijah to announce him as you claim.

He will be experiencing hell on earth several years before that in a furnace of affliction and in a prison of torture and torment. Nevertheless, he will overcome all these adversities trusting in his God.

Read the adversities of Job's torment, tortures, and the dissolving of his sanity. For this will be the highest degree of the baptism the Lord was baptized with and the cup from which he drunk. As he demands of holy men and servants in the service of the Most High!

For The book of Job is written for that man of woe. Not Job the man then but a future Job to come, A prince hidden, a man sought out by Satan to destroy. Fearing it will lead toward his own demise; within His almighty power of authority and His unquenchable fury in His display of His fiery displeasure against that evil one.

For Job knew not the meaning of his prophesying or the utterance of that Spirit or its meaning hidden at the end of his words/work/book.. For he, him-self declared in the last chapter of his sayings: I understood not the words I spoke or of the utterance of my prophecies I spoke, for God hide them from me.

(Job.42:3KJV) Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? Therefore have I uttered that which I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.

For Job knew in part those utterance were not prophesying about him but another one hidden for a future explanation. Thus, the mystery of the book of job remains hidden, until its fulfillment comes to be. Then shall it be revealed and spoken often in the mouths of coming generations.

For Job knew men were foolish and are without understanding and their hearts deceive their knowing. For they regard themselves as the children when they are not seeing their own time.

(Job.24:1KJV)WHY, SEEING times are not hidden from the Almighty, do they that know him not see his days?


Now we have gone over these same subjects many times and you insist that your version of these scriptural meanings have nothing to do with one individual but two.

But I nevertheless Waterman can understand why you would and want to believe that way. Without that version of your demented interpretation you would be excluded as one of the possible two witnesses of (Rev.11)!

A position you continually claim and boast is your position and possession. Not by any confirmations or visitation to declare such a thing, neither of no other witnesses in agreement with your claim has God sent forth.

Only because you and several hundred others also has come to the conclusion that they are also that Elijah figure or some other great one that mankind is waiting to appear upon the scene of humanities destiny!

And I can understand why any man such as you, would believe as you do, that Jacob/Israel are the names of two separate individual; instead of the same individual with two names. That there are two riders on the white horse/steed who went forth conquering (overcoming) (Rev.6:2KJV), as you believe. That Mary might have had an affair with a man to bring forth Jesus, as you believe. And some if not many other antithesis versions of scriptural misunderstanding you insist on holding on to.


Yes I can understand why you seek to conjure up unscriptual interpretations of your own twisting of scriptural meanings to seek a position of recognition of grandiose.

Yet, you are so blinded by this ambition that you fail to see how blind that ambition has made you or who it is that leads you toward this doom.

Wake up my friend before your blind ambitions cause you to believe you are the greatest man ever created...oh you already believe that don't you..sorry but you are not that man! For he must be the one least among us, and desiring no recognition...to fit that order.

He will detest all competition of any order and would prefer solitude to recognition. Solace to conflict. The lime light only blinds him; and he only seeks wisdom at the cost of humility. His only desire will always be and continually remains the glorification of his God in His Form, in His Body and in His Spirit.

No other ambition I believe is compared to this goal for mankind. And no greater glorification shall man/women ever receive in the ages to come but for this one singular goal above all others. All other boasting is of the works and the rewards of the stubble, hay and wood, to burn for a light toward a different path/direction/goal we should seek!

Now we have discussed this more than need be. Your mindset seems to be established my son, one who has sit and ate bread at my table...need I say more!
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I see you still lack the understanding that the millennial kingdom will be a davidic/levitic kingdom meaning separation of the kingship and priesthood. Also when Zechariah and revelation state there will be two anointed it doesn’t mean one anointed it means two. The book of Zechariah and book of revelation are connected books this is why you see the high priest Joshua being given priestly dominion in Zechariah and you see in revelation the man-child being given kingship dominion in revelation because the two books are a continuation

There will be no melchelzedek order kingship/priesthood on earth during the millennium as that is reserved for the heavenly realm and those who will dwell in heaven during the millennium.


The 2000 year age of grace was to make the gentiles kings and priests in heaven. The next 1000 year millennium is to make the Israelites and earth dwelling gentiles kings and priests when the new earth comes after the millennium......so for the duration of the millennium it will be davidic/levitic again meaning separation of the earthly kingship/priesthood.

You try to extend the brides covenant into the millennium.....the earth will not be the melchelzedek order covenant. The people on earth will not be kings and priests until after the millennium when the new heaven and new earth come where the two anointed sit on the left and right of Jesus.....to sit on his left and right both have to drink from the cup again showing two anointed not one anointed.

drinkthecup1

leftrightkingpri




P.S I looked up the synonyms for “wicked” as in wicked priest here is the link and the synonyms are an illicit priest, an illegal priest, an unlawful priest or an illegitimate priest....which is what a davidic king would be in a levitic priesthood kingdom if he tried to be the high priest on earth during the millennium.....I looked it up for you so you won’t be surprised in the end....your welcome:

Link:

[link to www.lexico.com (secure)]
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One of God's two witnesses is not going to be known in His kingdom as a wicked anything! Regardless who he might be. Get your mind into the Word and out of your imagination.

As I previously said: I leave you in the hands of God. Your beliefs are far from biblical reality. Anything to gain a point that isn't pertinent to the subject at hand or the truth within scripture satisfies your temporary situation.

Meanwhile you always fail to answer the tough questions presented to you; as if you're as deaf as you are blind.

I will not respond to you any longer. I haven't the time to convince you you're not the one you present yourself as being; that coming Elijah figure prophesied.

I don't know how you could ever reunite father with son and son to father. You would be too busy convincing everyone you were some figure you were not to begin with. And by the way you need not look for some wicked priest chasing you. You're not the individual he desires to pursue.

Bye.
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‘I’m leaving you in the hands of the lord although I doubt he wants you”....who says that but one who is an adversary/opposer of another?


Satan definition:

“Satan”: This could also be translated “adversary” and thus the person’s identity would be unknown.

The original Heb.term satan is a generic noun meaning "accuser" or "adversary", which is used throughout the Heb. Bible to refer to ordinary human adversaries,as well as a specific supernatural entity. The word is derived from a verb meaning primarily "to obstruct, oppose".When it is used without the definite article (simply satan), the word can refer to any accuser,but when it is used with the definite article (ha-satan), it usually refers specifically to the heavenly accuser: the satan.


Zechariah 3:1:
Young's Literal Translation
And he sheweth me Joshua the high priest standing before the messenger of Jehovah, and the Adversary standing at his right hand, to be an adversary to him.


Isaiah 11:13:

The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.


Judah’s have a problem stopping playing “monster” with Joseph’s ...that’s why it takes a throne room visit/rebuke by God to end it...lol..after that we will be at Isaiah 11:13

Hmmm if only the high priest knew who would be his adversary...lol

Joseph and Judah
 Quoting: waterman

Still living in your make believe own interpretive scriptural verses. Making no since and false claims of that high priest verse just as you use to do with your wicked priest interpretation. That actually had nothing to do with your original self-concept of the meaning of the wicked priest as one of the two witnesses. A completely different version/meaning of the wicked priest and its origin, Google: (wicked priest).

There is only going to be one individual in the throne room, not two as you fantasize. he is often referred to as the chosen ONE, not TWO!

There are three/four versions of that one man's visit to the throne room through different witnesses in scripture (2 Cor.13:1KJV). (John's vision) (Rev.12:5KJV)); as the man-child (Rev.12:5KJV), and as the overcomer in another vision (Rev.2:26-27KJV). (Daniel's vision) as the one LIKE the Son of man (Dan.7:13KJV). (Zechariah's vision) as the high priest (Zech.3:1KJV), who eventually becomes/transforms into the BRANCH (Zech.3:8KJV).

Thus, is the reason Joshua is no longer mentioned after the appearing of the BRANCH. Because the BRANCH inverted reveals another position of authority not previously recognized. An established one of king-ship and thus hiding on the other side of the priesthood.

Thus, the BRANCH is but one depiction of a twig that once finally burgeoned to its full revealing becomes that of a great BRANCH meant to only be shown in the light of its day.

But only with the other side hidden from view until walking (at the end of many generations), to view its other side. Only than appears a new concept of the same BRANCH seen differently in its inverse Positioning.

Thus, the reason for the exclusion of discussing the high priest/Joshua toward the other side of the BRANCH discussing the ruler-ship of that of Zerubbabel! Here is the meaning of the BRANCH one individual in one BRANCH but holding two hidden (so far at this time-frame) positions. A great mystery even hidden from those 24 elders sitting before Joshua eyes (Zech.3:8KJV). But its timing will appear in its placement!

Thus, branching off holding both offices as (high priest/and king-ship) (Joshua/Zerubbabel); as in the changing of his filthy garments and renewed with a new raiment of clothing (Zech.3:3-4KJV). As in the conformity of his Lord, (King of kings/High Priest).

Thus, fulfilling in these scriptural depictions; of all four prophecies of future scriptural promises during this man's reign, in/during the millennial age. (Ezekiel's vision) (Ezek.44:3-46:1-18KJV) as the prince (royalty) in/of Israel and a (priest) (Ezek.46:1-18KJV). Offering sacrifice on behalf of his subjects and himself. This man cannot be Jesus, Jesus is sinless, not needing to offer sacrifices on behalf of himself.

Notice all these positions of that one individual prophesied holds the same eventual role..to rule the nations/peoples and all languages. Thus, it is not disclosing two but one personage! Not the ruler-ship in the millennial age as the personage of Jesus. But a ruler-ship of a figure capable of sin, producing children and retaining a wife in so doing. None of these things I might add are needful of the resurrected Jesus. And he would have no desire or capacity within the realm of the physically aspects of life toward these purposes.

God confirms this testimony by placing two or more witnesses of this one future event through the witnesses of four examples of the same individual, the (man-child/overcomer/one LIKE the Son of man/Joshua/Zerubbabel).

STOP making up scriptural translations that substitutes Satan for another personage that the Word doesn't and never had intended to mean! The Word declares Satan, the Word means Satan. The Word is not confusing; man's interpretation of the Word is the confusing aspect of the scriptural conjecture!

He is the same Satan depicted as a dragon ready to devour the man-child before he begins his commission (Rev.12:4) once back on earth. and both Joshua and that man-child is being attacked by that same Satan and are they are both the same ones called to the throne room in this depiction! And Satan wants to devour that one before for commission and his 3 and one half time-frame ceases to be.

And I can assure you before that time he was not comfortingly sitting by waiting for Elijah to announce him as you claim.

He will be experiencing hell on earth several years before that in a furnace of affliction and in a prison of torture and torment. Nevertheless, he will overcome all these adversities trusting in his God.

Read the adversities of Job's torment, tortures, and the dissolving of his sanity. For this will be the highest degree of the baptism the Lord was baptized with and the cup from which he drunk. As he demands of holy men and servants in the service of the Most High!

For The book of Job is written for that man of woe. Not Job the man then but a future Job to come, A prince hidden, a man sought out by Satan to destroy. Fearing it will lead toward his own demise; within His almighty power of authority and His unquenchable fury in His display of His fiery displeasure against that evil one.

For Job knew not the meaning of his prophesying or the utterance of that Spirit or its meaning hidden at the end of his words/work/book.. For he, him-self declared in the last chapter of his sayings: I understood not the words I spoke or of the utterance of my prophecies I spoke, for God hide them from me.

(Job.42:3KJV) Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? Therefore have I uttered that which I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.

For Job knew in part those utterance were not prophesying about him but another one hidden for a future explanation. Thus, the mystery of the book of job remains hidden, until its fulfillment comes to be. Then shall it be revealed and spoken often in the mouths of coming generations.

For Job knew men were foolish and are without understanding and their hearts deceive their knowing. For they regard themselves as the children when they are not seeing their own time.

(Job.24:1KJV)WHY, SEEING times are not hidden from the Almighty, do they that know him not see his days?


Now we have gone over these same subjects many times and you insist that your version of these scriptural meanings have nothing to do with one individual but two.

But I nevertheless Waterman can understand why you would and want to believe that way. Without that version of your demented interpretation you would be excluded as one of the possible two witnesses of (Rev.11)!

A position you continually claim and boast is your position and possession. Not by any confirmations or visitation to declare such a thing, neither of no other witnesses in agreement with your claim has God sent forth.

Only because you and several hundred others also has come to the conclusion that they are also that Elijah figure or some other great one that mankind is waiting to appear upon the scene of humanities destiny!

And I can understand why any man such as you, would believe as you do, that Jacob/Israel are the names of two separate individual; instead of the same individual with two names. That there are two riders on the white horse/steed who went forth conquering (overcoming) (Rev.6:2KJV), as you believe. That Mary might have had an affair with a man to bring forth Jesus, as you believe. And some if not many other antithesis versions of scriptural misunderstanding you insist on holding on to.


Yes I can understand why you seek to conjure up unscriptual interpretations of your own twisting of scriptural meanings to seek a position of recognition of grandiose.

Yet, you are so blinded by this ambition that you fail to see how blind that ambition has made you or who it is that leads you toward this doom.

Wake up my friend before your blind ambitions cause you to believe you are the greatest man ever created...oh you already believe that don't you..sorry but you are not that man! For he must be the one least among us, and desiring no recognition...to fit that order.

He will detest all competition of any order and would prefer solitude to recognition. Solace to conflict. The lime light only blinds him; and he only seeks wisdom at the cost of humility. His only desire will always be and continually remains the glorification of his God in His Form, in His Body and in His Spirit.

No other ambition I believe is compared to this goal for mankind. And no greater glorification shall man/women ever receive in the ages to come but for this one singular goal above all others. All other boasting is of the works and the rewards of the stubble, hay and wood, to burn for a light toward a different path/direction/goal we should seek!

Now we have discussed this more than need be. Your mindset seems to be established my son, one who has sit and ate bread at my table...need I say more!
 Quoting: S-wordlike




I see you still lack the understanding that the millennial kingdom will be a davidic/levitic kingdom meaning separation of the kingship and priesthood. Also when Zechariah and revelation state there will be two anointed it doesn’t mean one anointed it means two. The book of Zechariah and book of revelation are connected books this is why you see the high priest Joshua being given priestly dominion in Zechariah and you see in revelation the man-child being given kingship dominion in revelation because the two books are a continuation

There will be no melchelzedek order kingship/priesthood on earth during the millennium as that is reserved for the heavenly realm and those who will dwell in heaven during the millennium.


The 2000 year age of grace was to make the gentiles kings and priests in heaven. The next 1000 year millennium is to make the Israelites and earth dwelling gentiles kings and priests when the new earth comes after the millennium......so for the duration of the millennium it will be davidic/levitic again meaning separation of the earthly kingship/priesthood.

You try to extend the brides covenant into the millennium.....the earth will not be the melchelzedek order covenant. The people on earth will not be kings and priests until after the millennium when the new heaven and new earth come where the two anointed sit on the left and right of Jesus.....to sit on his left and right both have to drink from the cup again showing two anointed not one anointed.

drinkthecup1

leftrightkingpri




P.S I looked up the synonyms for “wicked” as in wicked priest here is the link and the synonyms are an illicit priest, an illegal priest, an unlawful priest or an illegitimate priest....which is what a davidic king would be in a levitic priesthood kingdom if he tried to be the high priest on earth during the millennium.....I looked it up for you so you won’t be surprised in the end....your welcome:

Link:

[link to www.lexico.com (secure)]
 Quoting: waterman


One of God's two witnesses is not going to be known in His kingdom as a wicked anything! Regardless who he might be. Get your mind into the Word and out of your imagination.

As I previously said: I leave you in the hands of God. Your beliefs are far from biblical reality. Anything to gain a point that isn't pertinent to the subject at hand or the truth within scripture satisfies your temporary situation.

Meanwhile you always fail to answer the tough questions presented to you; as if you're as deaf as you are blind.

I will not respond to you any longer. I haven't the time to convince you you're not the one you present yourself as being; that coming Elijah figure prophesied.

I don't know how you could ever reunite father with son and son to father. You would be too busy convincing everyone you were some figure you were not to begin with. And by the way you need not look for some wicked priest chasing you. You're not the individual he desires to pursue.

Bye.
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Three things you should understand if you find that you are going to be a king of a kingdom

1. What are the rules of the kingdom or what is the type of kingdom ie davidic/levitic or melchelzedek?

2. How many are promised dominion in the kingdom? (genesis 1:28)

3. What is your dominion and where does it end and the other anointed begin?

These are 3 really good things to understand if you want to read scripture correctly.......or don’t and assume the earthly kingdom will be an exact mirror of Jesus’ heavenly melchelzedek kingdom only with a lesser levitic priesthood ran by the earthly king....I can picture Jesus grimacing at even the thought of the earthly king being the high priest on earth in a levitic kingdom....lol

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‘I’m leaving you in the hands of the lord although I doubt he wants you”....who says that but one who is an adversary/opposer of another?


Satan definition:

“Satan”: This could also be translated “adversary” and thus the person’s identity would be unknown.

The original Heb.term satan is a generic noun meaning "accuser" or "adversary", which is used throughout the Heb. Bible to refer to ordinary human adversaries,as well as a specific supernatural entity. The word is derived from a verb meaning primarily "to obstruct, oppose".When it is used without the definite article (simply satan), the word can refer to any accuser,but when it is used with the definite article (ha-satan), it usually refers specifically to the heavenly accuser: the satan.


Zechariah 3:1:
Young's Literal Translation
And he sheweth me Joshua the high priest standing before the messenger of Jehovah, and the Adversary standing at his right hand, to be an adversary to him.


Isaiah 11:13:

The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.


Judah’s have a problem stopping playing “monster” with Joseph’s ...that’s why it takes a throne room visit/rebuke by God to end it...lol..after that we will be at Isaiah 11:13

Hmmm if only the high priest knew who would be his adversary...lol

Joseph and Judah
 Quoting: waterman

Still living in your make believe own interpretive scriptural verses. Making no since and false claims of that high priest verse just as you use to do with your wicked priest interpretation. That actually had nothing to do with your original self-concept of the meaning of the wicked priest as one of the two witnesses. A completely different version/meaning of the wicked priest and its origin, Google: (wicked priest).

There is only going to be one individual in the throne room, not two as you fantasize. he is often referred to as the chosen ONE, not TWO!

There are three/four versions of that one man's visit to the throne room through different witnesses in scripture (2 Cor.13:1KJV). (John's vision) (Rev.12:5KJV)); as the man-child (Rev.12:5KJV), and as the overcomer in another vision (Rev.2:26-27KJV). (Daniel's vision) as the one LIKE the Son of man (Dan.7:13KJV). (Zechariah's vision) as the high priest (Zech.3:1KJV), who eventually becomes/transforms into the BRANCH (Zech.3:8KJV).

Thus, is the reason Joshua is no longer mentioned after the appearing of the BRANCH. Because the BRANCH inverted reveals another position of authority not previously recognized. An established one of king-ship and thus hiding on the other side of the priesthood.

Thus, the BRANCH is but one depiction of a twig that once finally burgeoned to its full revealing becomes that of a great BRANCH meant to only be shown in the light of its day.

But only with the other side hidden from view until walking (at the end of many generations), to view its other side. Only than appears a new concept of the same BRANCH seen differently in its inverse Positioning.

Thus, the reason for the exclusion of discussing the high priest/Joshua toward the other side of the BRANCH discussing the ruler-ship of that of Zerubbabel! Here is the meaning of the BRANCH one individual in one BRANCH but holding two hidden (so far at this time-frame) positions. A great mystery even hidden from those 24 elders sitting before Joshua eyes (Zech.3:8KJV). But its timing will appear in its placement!

Thus, branching off holding both offices as (high priest/and king-ship) (Joshua/Zerubbabel); as in the changing of his filthy garments and renewed with a new raiment of clothing (Zech.3:3-4KJV). As in the conformity of his Lord, (King of kings/High Priest).

Thus, fulfilling in these scriptural depictions; of all four prophecies of future scriptural promises during this man's reign, in/during the millennial age. (Ezekiel's vision) (Ezek.44:3-46:1-18KJV) as the prince (royalty) in/of Israel and a (priest) (Ezek.46:1-18KJV). Offering sacrifice on behalf of his subjects and himself. This man cannot be Jesus, Jesus is sinless, not needing to offer sacrifices on behalf of himself.

Notice all these positions of that one individual prophesied holds the same eventual role..to rule the nations/peoples and all languages. Thus, it is not disclosing two but one personage! Not the ruler-ship in the millennial age as the personage of Jesus. But a ruler-ship of a figure capable of sin, producing children and retaining a wife in so doing. None of these things I might add are needful of the resurrected Jesus. And he would have no desire or capacity within the realm of the physically aspects of life toward these purposes.

God confirms this testimony by placing two or more witnesses of this one future event through the witnesses of four examples of the same individual, the (man-child/overcomer/one LIKE the Son of man/Joshua/Zerubbabel).

STOP making up scriptural translations that substitutes Satan for another personage that the Word doesn't and never had intended to mean! The Word declares Satan, the Word means Satan. The Word is not confusing; man's interpretation of the Word is the confusing aspect of the scriptural conjecture!

He is the same Satan depicted as a dragon ready to devour the man-child before he begins his commission (Rev.12:4) once back on earth. and both Joshua and that man-child is being attacked by that same Satan and are they are both the same ones called to the throne room in this depiction! And Satan wants to devour that one before for commission and his 3 and one half time-frame ceases to be.

And I can assure you before that time he was not comfortingly sitting by waiting for Elijah to announce him as you claim.

He will be experiencing hell on earth several years before that in a furnace of affliction and in a prison of torture and torment. Nevertheless, he will overcome all these adversities trusting in his God.

Read the adversities of Job's torment, tortures, and the dissolving of his sanity. For this will be the highest degree of the baptism the Lord was baptized with and the cup from which he drunk. As he demands of holy men and servants in the service of the Most High!

For The book of Job is written for that man of woe. Not Job the man then but a future Job to come, A prince hidden, a man sought out by Satan to destroy. Fearing it will lead toward his own demise; within His almighty power of authority and His unquenchable fury in His display of His fiery displeasure against that evil one.

For Job knew not the meaning of his prophesying or the utterance of that Spirit or its meaning hidden at the end of his words/work/book.. For he, him-self declared in the last chapter of his sayings: I understood not the words I spoke or of the utterance of my prophecies I spoke, for God hide them from me.

(Job.42:3KJV) Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? Therefore have I uttered that which I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.

For Job knew in part those utterance were not prophesying about him but another one hidden for a future explanation. Thus, the mystery of the book of job remains hidden, until its fulfillment comes to be. Then shall it be revealed and spoken often in the mouths of coming generations.

For Job knew men were foolish and are without understanding and their hearts deceive their knowing. For they regard themselves as the children when they are not seeing their own time.

(Job.24:1KJV)WHY, SEEING times are not hidden from the Almighty, do they that know him not see his days?


Now we have gone over these same subjects many times and you insist that your version of these scriptural meanings have nothing to do with one individual but two.

But I nevertheless Waterman can understand why you would and want to believe that way. Without that version of your demented interpretation you would be excluded as one of the possible two witnesses of (Rev.11)!

A position you continually claim and boast is your position and possession. Not by any confirmations or visitation to declare such a thing, neither of no other witnesses in agreement with your claim has God sent forth.

Only because you and several hundred others also has come to the conclusion that they are also that Elijah figure or some other great one that mankind is waiting to appear upon the scene of humanities destiny!

And I can understand why any man such as you, would believe as you do, that Jacob/Israel are the names of two separate individual; instead of the same individual with two names. That there are two riders on the white horse/steed who went forth conquering (overcoming) (Rev.6:2KJV), as you believe. That Mary might have had an affair with a man to bring forth Jesus, as you believe. And some if not many other antithesis versions of scriptural misunderstanding you insist on holding on to.


Yes I can understand why you seek to conjure up unscriptual interpretations of your own twisting of scriptural meanings to seek a position of recognition of grandiose.

Yet, you are so blinded by this ambition that you fail to see how blind that ambition has made you or who it is that leads you toward this doom.

Wake up my friend before your blind ambitions cause you to believe you are the greatest man ever created...oh you already believe that don't you..sorry but you are not that man! For he must be the one least among us, and desiring no recognition...to fit that order.

He will detest all competition of any order and would prefer solitude to recognition. Solace to conflict. The lime light only blinds him; and he only seeks wisdom at the cost of humility. His only desire will always be and continually remains the glorification of his God in His Form, in His Body and in His Spirit.

No other ambition I believe is compared to this goal for mankind. And no greater glorification shall man/women ever receive in the ages to come but for this one singular goal above all others. All other boasting is of the works and the rewards of the stubble, hay and wood, to burn for a light toward a different path/direction/goal we should seek!

Now we have discussed this more than need be. Your mindset seems to be established my son, one who has sit and ate bread at my table...need I say more!
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I see you still lack the understanding that the millennial kingdom will be a davidic/levitic kingdom meaning separation of the kingship and priesthood. Also when Zechariah and revelation state there will be two anointed it doesn’t mean one anointed it means two. The book of Zechariah and book of revelation are connected books this is why you see the high priest Joshua being given priestly dominion in Zechariah and you see in revelation the man-child being given kingship dominion in revelation because the two books are a continuation

There will be no melchelzedek order kingship/priesthood on earth during the millennium as that is reserved for the heavenly realm and those who will dwell in heaven during the millennium.


The 2000 year age of grace was to make the gentiles kings and priests in heaven. The next 1000 year millennium is to make the Israelites and earth dwelling gentiles kings and priests when the new earth comes after the millennium......so for the duration of the millennium it will be davidic/levitic again meaning separation of the earthly kingship/priesthood.

You try to extend the brides covenant into the millennium.....the earth will not be the melchelzedek order covenant. The people on earth will not be kings and priests until after the millennium when the new heaven and new earth come where the two anointed sit on the left and right of Jesus.....to sit on his left and right both have to drink from the cup again showing two anointed not one anointed.

drinkthecup1

leftrightkingpri




P.S I looked up the synonyms for “wicked” as in wicked priest here is the link and the synonyms are an illicit priest, an illegal priest, an unlawful priest or an illegitimate priest....which is what a davidic king would be in a levitic priesthood kingdom if he tried to be the high priest on earth during the millennium.....I looked it up for you so you won’t be surprised in the end....your welcome:

Link:

[link to www.lexico.com (secure)]
 Quoting: waterman


One of God's two witnesses is not going to be known in His kingdom as a wicked anything! Regardless who he might be. Get your mind into the Word and out of your imagination.

As I previously said: I leave you in the hands of God. Your beliefs are far from biblical reality. Anything to gain a point that isn't pertinent to the subject at hand or the truth within scripture satisfies your temporary situation.

Meanwhile you always fail to answer the tough questions presented to you; as if you're as deaf as you are blind.

I will not respond to you any longer. I haven't the time to convince you you're not the one you present yourself as being; that coming Elijah figure prophesied.

I don't know how you could ever reunite father with son and son to father. You would be too busy convincing everyone you were some figure you were not to begin with. And by the way you need not look for some wicked priest chasing you. You're not the individual he desires to pursue.

Bye.
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You do know I’m not supposed to succeed in turning the hearts at my first arrival so God can bring judgement right?....I’m sure you did if you read Isaiah a time or two....lol

Elijah is to give a message and make sure that people will not listen to it as God needs to send these people through a furnace of affliction to get them to become a holy people again!!!:

Isaiah 6:

8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.

9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

11 Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate,

12 And the Lord have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.
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Hmmmm a broken brotherhood between the two representatives of the northern kingdom of Israel and the southern kingdom of Judah ...notice they take on the names of the kingdom they represent (how do I know? I watched it happen...like a mirror of what happened to the two kingdoms)...wonder where that brotherhood will be reconciled? .....*rolls eyes toward heavenly throne room

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8:30 - 10:00 minutes after the government falls a third time before it can be rebuilt a 4th time messiah Ben David will come......so Israeli government just fell for the third time last night and the next Israeli election is March 25 2021 and they get 3 weeks to form a government allowing until about April 15th/16th for messiah Ben David to arrive


Also it states the sabbath after the third elections fall then messiah Ben David will arrive.....if that is speaking of high sabbaths it would be speaking of one of the 7 major feasts which the next one will ne Passover 2021




Just happens to be Passover March 27th through April 4th 2021..../once Elijah arrives as he is the forerunner then David can show up
 Quoting: waterman


Your interpretation is in line with the original source text. The passage does not specify “before it is rebuilt [a third time]” or “[a fourth time].” In fact a 4th time is just as likely semantically.

This is the exact translation:
When this gate will fall, be rebuilt and fall again, be rebuilt again and fall again. And before it will be rebuilt Messiah will appear.

When this gate will fall - cue second elections
Be rebuilt and fall again - cue third elections
Be rebuilt and fall again - cue 4th elections

And before it is rebuilt Messiah will appear - next elections 3/25/21 + 3 weeks to form govt (as you have pointed out)
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Hmmmm a broken brotherhood between the two representatives of the northern kingdom of Israel and the southern kingdom of Judah ...notice they take on the names of the kingdom they represent (how do I know? I watched it happen...like a mirror of what happened to the two kingdoms)...wonder where that brotherhood will be reconciled? .....*rolls eyes toward heavenly throne room

g0mer-surprise
 Quoting: waterman




The two representatives of the two kingdoms take on the names of their kingdoms ..... notice the southern kingdom is Judah known as the house of David and the northern kingdom is known as the the house of Ephraim....the house of Joseph and the house of Jacob ...link below




Link:
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The Prophets used the terms "Ephraim", "Joseph", and "Israel" interchangeably, speaking of the same entity, the Northern Kingdom of Israel, the House of Israel, or the House of Joseph. Zechariah 10:6


dividedkingdom



No wonder these two are broken brotherhood as they are a Judah (messiah Ben David)and a Joseph(messiah Ben Joseph)and we know how that story plays out

Joseph and Judah

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Matthew 16:23:


But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.





Some people mistake the word Christ as it being Jesus last name...when Christ really means “anointed one” so there were many christs (anointed ones)...kings and priests are anointed ones

Just as some mistake the word Christ for being Jesus’ name others mistake Satan as being lucifers last name when in reality the word Satan simply means an opponent or an adversary as we see Jesus called Peter “Satan” which meant peters plan was promoting man not God....so not all Satans are Lucifer sometimes it is one that is an opponent or adversary to Gods plan.

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Long story short

These silly people can't even run their own tiny country, but they want to run your country too.

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Actually, long story short..
Create chaos, evil, hate, desperation, destruction, injustice, rape, pillage, do as much evil as you can,
this will bring moschiach. Order ab chaos, no??
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I only say what I say because scripture reveals it, but those who are promised blindness cant see it til the fullness of the gentiles..you play the part like nobody else could...insanely perfect..you do it without even realizing what you are doing...incredibly done. It’s like you have a script...lol. Judah is promised blindness and David is a member of the judah kingdom/family blindness..pretend you aren’t blind but if God will blind an entire nation/ kingdom/peoples...then take into consideration he will blind the representative of that nation/kingdom/peoples...there are 2 kingdoms...2 families.. 2 peoples and you only represent one of them the southern kingdom Judah...the other witness is the representative of the northern kingdom/ family/ peoples Jacob/Joseph/ephraim. David=Judah=blind til the fullness of the gentiles.....the other witness is representative Joseph of the other kingdom/ family / peoples..who are promised not to be blind but also to be able to see their brother before his brother Judah can see Joseph so you have been told it is up to you to regard it or ignore it...but I know who is who and you will also in the end as it is written in the volume of the book and will come to pass...as it is written so shall it be. Wake up friend you see no partner which makes you a judah not a joseph..a joseph can see a judah...you take 2 anointed and absorb them into 1 anointed(example zerubbabel and Joshua the 2 anointed become 1 anointed instead of 2 anointed)...you are a judah if you do that ...and you do that...ding ding ding...we have a judah..wake up already...lol

Joseph and Judah


P.S

You keep giving me red I’m gonna think you don’t like me...lol...don’t worry you will in the end...and again you just can’t see it yet because you are judah not joseph...lol

leftrightkingpri








messiah Ben Joseph:



What does an Elijah do? He brings in a new age....John the baptist( Elijah) brought in the age of grace...the final Elijah restores the davidic/levitic age.

Matthew 17:11

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elijah truly shall come first and restore all things.

elijahtheprophet





You make it hard to believe what you say when you don’t understand the following things...not to mention that you are promised blindness in part until the fullness of the gentiles and that fullness has not come in yet:

1. One witness is David and is the king of the world

2. The other witness is Joseph and has the birthright which qualifies him to be high priest on earth

3. Firstborn gets the sceptre...2nd born gets the birthright...Judah/David gets the sceptre....Joseph 2nd born gets the birthright

3. Jesus won’t be on earth during the millennium so that people still have to have faith in Jesus for redemption. The animal sacrifice is commanded to be reinstated by God in Ezekiel as the shekinah glory will once again fill the temple and the high priest will have his priestly duties/ dominion...just as David will have his kingly duties/ dominion.

4. The age of grace comes to an end and the levitic and davidic kingdom will be reinstated to fulfill covenant. It’s right there in Jeremiah and Ezekiel read it.

5. David the king can’t be the high priest in a davidic/ levitic kingdom..that is the number one rule of a davidic/ levitic kingdom..therefore David isn’t the prince of Ezekiel 46. Joseph is that prince as Joseph is the high priest and the one offering the sacrifices. It states this prince has sons he can give gifts to that are permanent gifts...only Joseph had two sons that were tribes ephraim and Manasseh( Ezekiel 46:16) many more people getting blessed if this prince is Joseph over it being David as Joseph has tens of thousands of sons compared to David who wouldn’t have that many sons...can you see how this makes more sense than David having a few sons he can give gifts to? Probably not right now...but I tried....lol

I noticed one of your posts you think I’m jealous of you. At one point when I was in my 10 year spiritual prison of course I was jealous of you as I thought I had zero chance at redemption and you received everything....who wouldn’t be jealous in that situation? Also an ephraim is written in as having to be jealous of Judah at some point but at some point ephraim loses that envy...when ephraim realizes who he is...ephraim is the birthright holder and has incredible blessings as the double portion birthright holder.
Isaiah 11:13:

Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.( ephraim has got passed the envy...now if we can get judah to do his part...lol)..Joseph comes down through the line of ephraim therefore is referred to as ephraim...also a 2 Nd born birthright holder.


But after the 10 years in the spiritual prison with no hope for redemption ended my eyes were opened and I could see what was yours and what was mine and now I wouldn’t trade places with you for anything I would much rather have my position than yours

leftrightkingpri

P.S you make Elijah out to be some super hero when he comes....Elijah will be pre-furnace of affliction and will still need a lot of work. Elijah’s job will be to warn the house of ephraim judgement is coming and prepare the bride as the bride isn’t appointed to wrath and Elijah is the last sign before judgement arrives. When the bride sees Elijah arrive they will know their redemption is nigh at hand.



Here is some Dead Sea scrolls but it probably doesn’t interest you as the two offices are divided between the two anointed

They are not equal counter-parts: the Priest-Messiah has precedence over the Davidic Messiah in all legal matters: ‘As they teach him so shall he judge’.





You are clearly still blind if you can't read there are two anointed one a priest and the other the prince/king(king of the world and prince of Jesus) in these dead sea scroll writings.


They are not equal counter-parts: the Priest-Messiah has precedence over the Davidic Messiah in all legal matters: ‘As they teach him so shall he judge’.




There it is the priest which is the teacher of righteousness and the prince/king which is the prince of the congregation....and they are collegues


There is one that is raised up in the end days know as "The Teacher of Righteousness", whether it be an office or a title we do not know, but he will raise up in these last days!!:

Less than 50%:

The Teacher of Righteousness and the End of Days

Sarah Klitenic

Introduction: Purpose and Methods

The Exhortation that begins the Damascus Document of the Dead Sea Scrolls prefaces the theology of the Qumran community. Namely, it explains how God leaves the Temple and sends the Babylonians to punish those who have polluted the Sanctuary and abandoned the Temple. However, God leaves a remnant who will one day return to the land of Israel once the people learn to correctly follow Mosaic Law. But the true mark of God’s benevolence is in the guide he sends: "And God observed their deeds, that they sought Him with a whole heart, and He raised for them a Teacher of Righteousness to guide them in the way of his heart."1 Here, God raises this Teacher from the remnant of Israel and makes him a guide for the people. For the Teacher must not only guide the remnant through the desert, but he must show it the path of Righteousness to bring about the end of days: the end of days comes with proper ordering of society and return of Israel to her rightful descendants. But who is this Teacher of Righteousness? He is a prophet with God-given ability to interpret the Law. In this paper, I will try to provide a basic description of the Teacher by looking at references to him in the Scrolls and by paying close attention to the Pesherim and Hodayot. I will then explore the nature of his apocalypticism. I hope that by progressing in this manner I will shed light on the nature of this elusive character, the Teacher of Righteousness.

References to the Teacher in the Dead Sea Scrolls

As E.P. Sanders begins his quest for the historical Jesus,2 he explains that the best place to begin is with the facts. Likewise, as we try to understand the Teacher of Righteousness (T of R), it is preferable to begin with what we know about the Teacher from the Dead Sea Scrolls themselves. Authors of the scrolls know the Teacher as Teacher, Teacher of the Community, Teacher of Righteousness,3 Interpreter, Interpreter of the Law,4 Priest,5 The Priest.6 He is never explicitly referred to as prophet, but descriptions, context, and tradition lead one to believe that the Teacher is in fact a prophet. The Damascus Document (CD), the Commentary on Micah, the Commentary on Habakkuk, and the Commentary on Psalms use the titles Teacher, Teacher of the Community, and Teacher of Righteousness. From such passages, we learn that the Teacher is the founder of the community7 and that the present generation of the community looks to him as an historical authority. In all of these references, the Teacher, Teacher of the Community, and Teacher of Righteousness is a figure divinely chosen to expound the Law and set Community members on the righteous path for the end of days.8 His words help prepare for the end:

Who have listened to the voice of the Teacher of Righteousness and have not despised the precepts of righteousness when they heard them; they shall rejoice and their hearts shall be strong, and they shall prevail over all the sons of the earth. God will forgive them and they shall see His salvation because they took refuge in His holy name. (CD XIII, 30-5)

Here, the Teacher of Righteousness is one who dispels the ‘precepts of righteousness’ which one must follow in order to reach salvation. God speaks through the Teacher so that those listening to the Teacher follow God’s words and receive His salvation. Moreover, the Teacher speaks God’s words when he interprets divine scripture; the DSS knows the Teacher as ‘Interpreter of the Law’ in documents such as The Community Rule, the Damascus Document, the Commentary on Habakkuk, and Midrash on the Last Days. The fact that the Teacher is the authority on the Law reflects his role in the community because the Law is pivotal to the Community. In the Thanksgiving Hymns, for instance, the Teacher refers to himself as having the waters of the Covenant confirmed in his heart for those who seek it, for God has ‘hidden Thy Law [within (him)].’9 In this passage, the Teacher of Righteousness not only knows the Law, but his knowledge of the Law is given to him by God. As in Numbers 12:6-8 when Moses receives the Law mouth to mouth from God, the Teacher also receives the law from the mouth of God in 1 Qp Hab II 2-3. The community respects the T of R’s legal understanding and uses his interpretations for redemption:

But all those who hold fast to these precepts and coming in accordance with the Law, who heed the voice of the Teacher and confess before God, saying, ‘Truly we have sinned... by walking counter to the precepts of the covenant’...; they shall rejoice and their hearts shall be strong. (CD 28-30)

Here, members of the CD Community that listen to the T of R and follow his teachings will rejoice in the eschaton. Lastly, the teacher is referred to explicitly as a priest in the pesher on Ps 37:23-24. These references to the Teacher in the DSS as a Teacher of Righteousness, an Interpreter of the Law, and a Priest paint the most general, most undeniable portrait of the Teacher.

Pesherim: Interpretations of the Law

The pesherim10 are interpretations of written prophetic texts that can be understood as ‘unraveling of mysteries.’11 J. Carmignac broke the pesherim into two categories: continuous, which interpret a single book section by section, and thematic, which consist of certain citations grouped around a thematic idea.12 Both of these forms of pesherim are characterized by raz, a term taken from the notion of the ancient prophets being introduced in their visions into the heavenly assembly of special knowledge.13 However, the pesherim take the idea of divine prophetic revelation a step further, because they claim to contain the mystery of things hidden even to the prophets themselves who wrote the words now interpreted. Horgan points to 1 QpHab 7:4-5 as an example of this:

and God told Habakkuk to write down that which would happen to the final generation, but He did not make known to him when time would come to an end. And as for that which He said, That he who reads may read it speedily: interpreted this concerns the Teacher of Righteousness, to whom God made known all the mysteries of the words of His servants the Prophets.

In this pesher, the Teacher understands what is to come because God allows him to unravel the mystery of Habakkuk’s prophecy; namely that within the words, God buries his plans for the founding of the community, the rise of the Teacher, and the end of days. Once God gives the Teacher prophetic understanding, the Teacher unravels the mystery in scripture and he uses that new knowledge to create rules which will regulate the Community. In this manner, the entire Community order, every rule, every hierarchical position, is governed by the Teacher’s interpretation of scripture in anticipation for the end of days.

Moreover, because the Teacher is the Interpreter of the Law, the pesherim provide additional insight into the Teacher. That is, these pesherim are the Teacher’s mode of divine revelation via interpretation of scripture. By carefully examining how the Teacher interprets scripture, one can learn even more about the figure. For instance, in the Commentary on Habakkuk:

[Behold the nations and see, marvel and be astonished; for I accomplish a deed in your days, but you will not believe it when] told. They, the men of violence and the breakers of the Covenant, will not believe when they hear all that [is to happen to] the final generation from the Priest [in whose heart] God set [understanding] that he might interpret all the words of His servants the Prophets, through whom He foretold all that would happen to his people and [His land]. (1QpHab II, 5-10)

In the passage, the Teacher is a priest who has the divine power to interpret Scripture, namely the Prophetic Books. Moreover, the Teacher prefers the Prophets because God imparted them with the knowledge of what is to come in the generation of the Teacher. The Teacher is given knowledge by God to understand these prophets so he can likewise teach the people righteousness and prevent their destruction at the end of days. This passage reveals much about the Community’s theology of prophecy. The Teacher was chosen long ago by God to prepare the remnant for the end of days; the prophets were likewise sent generations ago to prepare for this event.14 When the Teacher interprets the Law, he is more similar to the biblical Prophets in his mode of revelation than a scribe or a midrashic rabbi. Unlike the rabbis, the Teacher does not rely on the peshat or derash. His interpretations are more than mere allegories of text, but at the same time, they are not visions as the ancient prophets experienced them. Additionally, the Teacher is different from other exegetes because he does not merely apply scripture to his situation, but rather claims that scripture is written with him in mind. Based on the manner in which he interprets scripture, we can generalize that the Teacher is similar to the prophets, but also unique in his own right.

Claims of authorship

Just as one could learn about the Interpreter of the Law by reading the pesherim, one can learn about the Teacher by reading passages he supposedly wrote. Scholars believe that portions of the Hodayot (Thanksgiving Psalms) are actually written by the Teacher. Being able to identify material written by the Teacher is valuable because it tells us how the Teacher saw himself, his mission, and his relationship to the community and God. In this section of the paper, I will first discuss scholarship concerning the Teacher’s authorship of the Hodayot and then I will analyze various passages from the Thanksgiving Hymns. By examining the Hodayot, it seems that the material most filled with historical specifics and most charged with human emotion is likely to have been written by the Teacher. Additionally, scholars also claim that other scrolls were written by the Teacher. Recently, for example, the Temple Scroll (TS) has garnered attention as having been written by the Teacher. However, there are a number of reasons why TS cannot be the product of the Teacher. By first exploring why select Hodayot must have been written by the Teacher and then discussing why the Temple Scroll cannot possibly be the work of the Teacher, I hope to shed light on the Teacher and his role in the Scrolls.

The Hodayot

Among German scholars, there are three basic theories regarding authorship of the Hodayot: 1. the text is a literary unity and was written by the Teacher of Righteousness, 2. the text is not a unity and was written by anonymous authors. 3. the text is not a unity but within the Hodayot there is a core of hymns that were written by the Teacher of Righteousness.15 The first claim, although popular in the early days of Hodayot scholarship, has become less popular in recent years. It explains that the author of the entire scroll was the Teacher of Righteousness.16 Such an account, however, does not explain stylistic, linguistic, and content differences between hymns. The second theory, that the text is not a unity and is written by anonymous authors, has support from those believing that the works could have been written by the Teacher of Righteousness’ disciples.17 Moreover, the linguistic character of these hymns dictates that they could only have been written by one disciple modeling himself after the Teacher of Righteousness, rather than many disciples. The third theory is more widely recognized. It says that the text is not a unity, and that within the Hodayot there is a core of hymns written by the Teacher of Righteousness.

This third theory of German scholarship seems the most plausible because it best appreciates the stylistic features of the hymns. By examining stylistic features such as use of the first person pronoun, content, and linguistic uniformity, three German scholars derived a criteria that distinguishes hymns written by the Teacher from those written by the community at a later date. Gert Jeremias, Jurgen Becker, and Heinz-Wolfgang Kuhn18 individually note the following: that in many of the hymns, the use of ‘I’ speaks passionately about personal experiences; that these hymns often deal with individual accounts of dire need or use the motif of the mediator of revelation;19 and that these hymns are historical and specific, rather than theological and general, with regard to language. These scholars then designated such hymns as written by the Teacher of Righteousness himself; they are ‘Teacher hymns’ as opposed to Community hymns or didactic hymns. But such an explanation cries out for an example. Take the following passage:

They have banished me from my land
like a bird from its nest;
all my friends and brethren are driven far from me
and hold me for a broken vessel.

And they, teachers of lies and seers of falsehood,
have schemed against me a devilish scheme,
to exchange the Law engraved on my heart by Thee
for the smooth things (which they speak) to Thy people.
And they withhold from the thirsty the drink of Knowledge, and assuage their thirst with vinegar,
that they may gaze on their straying,
on their folly concerning feast-days,
on their fall into their snares.
(1 QH IV, 7-12)

Jeremias, Becker, and Kuhn agree that this wrathful passage must have been written by the Teacher of Righteousness. By reading this passage line by line, we can better understand the Gottingen criteria.

In the above passage, the author prominently uses certain vocabulary, syntax, and content to show how he is set apart from the others both literally, by his unjust banishment, and metaphorically, by his God-given knowledge. Here, the Teacher’s use of the first person pronoun stands opposite the third person pronoun: ‘They have banished me from my land.’ By speaking in the first person, the Teacher’s account of the injustices he suffers become personal and moving. Regardless of whether we are able to accurately name that third party, there is nothing general about this verse: the Teacher clearly blames a group of people for his woes. Moreover, a few lines down, he refers to ‘they’ in more specific language: they are ‘teachers of lies and seers of falsehood.’ From this line, the reader learns more about who ‘they’ are and the reader also learns more about the identity of the Teacher. In contrast to ‘teachers of lies and seers of falsehood’, the Teacher is a teacher of truth and a seer of righteousness. The Teacher’s truth, which is ‘engraved on his heart’ by God, is emphasized by the fact that those who are able to receive knowledge do so by drinking it. The reader also learns about the concerns of the Teacher from his final charge against the teachers of lies: the author of the hymn worries about the timing of the feasts.20 For the following reasons, this passage fulfills the description of the typical Teacher hymn as set out by Jeremias, Becker, and Kuhn: 1. the Teacher uses the first person to relay his personal situation; 2. the Teacher, who is set apart because God engraved truth in his heart, is full of woe; 3. the Teacher uses specifics, such as his calendar concerns, that do not speak to the general problems of mankind. Because this hymn is so personal, so moving, and so specific, it does not seem likely that it could have been written by anyone other than the Teacher.21 Moreover, once we recognize the components of this hymn as characteristic of the Teacher, we get a better sense of his agenda and how he views himself. Based on the facts of the hymn, God grants the Teacher divine understanding of the Law for the imparting of this Law to those ‘thirsty’ for righteousness.

The Temple Scroll

Although scholars are the most confident concerning the authorship of the Hodayot, some wrongly attribute the Temple Scroll to the Teacher. They claim that the TS, like Deuteronomy, gives a description of God’s covenant with Israel. 22 There are two main claims that attempt to show that the Teacher wrote the TS: 1. Other documents in the Scrolls regard the Temple Scroll as Law and the Teacher of Righteousness as the Lawgiver. The Teacher of Righteousness can be compared to Moses as the author of the Law for a sectarian community. Hence, some suggest that the Teacher of Righteousness must be the author of the TS. 2. The Teacher is the most eminent figure in the DSS; only he is important enough to have written the Law. Both these reasons are defeated once one realizes that the Teacher is not the Lawgiver, but rather the Interpreter of the Law. Instead of creating his own law, the Teacher uses his divine power to understand biblical scripture. Furthermore, the Temple Scroll cannot be the law for the end of days because its edicts are not written for a righteous audience. The fact that the Teacher is not the author of the Temple Scroll makes it easier to understand how the Teacher does not write the Law for the end of days, but that another figure is to come.

Some wrongly claim that the Teacher is the author of TS because they misunderstand the relationship between the Teacher and the Law.23 Namely, throughout the Scrolls, the T of R is referred to as ‘the Interpreter of the Law’ and the TS is commonly referred to as the Law. However, the previous section explains that the Teacher interprets the Law, rather than writes a new Law, because of the pre-eminence of the Mosaic Law in the scrolls. Only by properly understanding the Mosaic Law can the Community help bring about the end of days. Moreover, some scholars argue that the TS is a an eschatological law. They primarily use the description of measurements for a Temple in (TS XXX-XVII) and claim that based on its size, the Temple in TS is eschatological. However, the Temple is possibly utopian rather than eschatological. Based on a comparison to the Temple in the Florilegium, it seems that the eschatological temple is one that God will create on ‘the day of creation.’24 Also, it is apparent from the nature of many laws, including laws on adultery and rape, that the TS is not meant for the end of days .25 Based on the textual evidence, the Teacher cannot be the author of the TS, the New Torah; instead, the Teacher creates guidelines for a way of living from the interpretation of the Torah. He explains the Law to help order society and prepare for the end of days. He himself is not the fulfillment of eschatological expectations.

Who is the Teacher of Righteousness?

Difficulties arise when one tries to describe the Teacher of Righteousness; however, the complexity that most affects the description deals with whether to place the figure in the past or in the future. Many point to this ambiguity in a midrash of Num 21:18 that is in the Damascus Document.26 Unlike other passages in the same document, the figure mentioned here is in the future.

The well is the Law, and those who dug it were the converts of Israel who went out of the land of Judah to sojourn in the land of Damascus....The Staff is the Interpreter of the Law of whom Isaiah said, He makes a tool for His work; and the nobles of the peoples are those who come to dig the well with the staffs with which the staff ordained that they should walk in all age of wickedness- and without them they shall find nothing- until he comes who shall teach righteousness at the end of days. (CD, VI)

Here, confusion arises because the titles ‘Interpreter of the Law’ and ‘Teacher of Righteousness’ are interchangeable.27 The Teacher must have a role in both the past and the future: he is a figure of the community’s past as its founder and writer of its law. But, the law he writes is pertinent to the eschaton, for by following this law as divinely interpreted by the Teacher, community members can bring about the endtime. This ‘dual’ nature of the Teacher, however, should not be overexaggerated. The Teacher himself is in no way a messianic figure. He will not return at the endtime, but he does anticipate the arrival of his eschatological counterpart.28 It should also be made clear in the initial stages of this inquiry what the Teacher of Righteousness is not: he is not John the Baptist, he is not Jesus Christ, and we cannot attribute a specific, personal name to him.29 But, the reader can paint a general portrait of the Teacher. Based on the way the Teacher interprets the Law in the Pesherim and the way he describes his experiences in the Hodayot, it seems that he is priest who writes divinely inspired interpretations of the Law. He is a figure in the past who prepares his community for the imminent end.

The Teacher as the Community’s Founder

The passage mentioned earlier offers several assumptions about the historical Teacher:

The well is the Law, and those who dug it were converts of Israel who went out of the land of Judah to sojourn in the land of Damascus...The Staff is the Interpreter of the Law of whom Isaiah said, He makes a tool for His work.... (CD, VI)

This offers possibilities for the identity of the Teacher by putting the Teacher in the context of his own Community. Here, it can be assumed that the founding of the Community has a great deal to do with the Law itself; the founders left Judah and went into Damascus for this "well," the Law. The metaphor of the well as the Law is powerful: the well offers essential water that cannot be found in Judah. Ironically, the water is found in the desert. Of further irony is that even though the converts themselves dig this well in Damascus, they are still not able to find the well, the Law. Only the Staff, the Interpreter of the Law, finds the water. We now have a full picture of the Teacher: the Teacher helps found a community that left Judah because the Law is not able to ‘exist’ there. The Teacher interprets the Law for the community, thus making it ‘drinkable.’ Here, the reader is offered a number of roles for the Teacher. In this section, I will build on this portrait. I will explain how the Teacher and the community see the Teacher as a priest and a prophet who experiences revelation in the mode of divine interpretation of Law.

Teacher as Priest

The evidence clearly shows that the T of R is a priest: this is explicit in textual evidence and suggested contextually based on the T of R’s concerns. For instance, in the pesher on Ps 37:23-24 (4QpPs 1-10 iii 15):

The steps of the man are confirmed by the Lord and He delights in all his ways; though [he stumbles, he shall not fall, for the Lord shall support his hand] (23-4). Interpreted, this concerns the Priest, the Teacher [of Righteousness] whom God chose to stand before Him, for He established him to build for Himself the congregation of...

Here, the Teacher is a priest who establishes the Community based on the will of God: the priest is chosen by God. As a priest, the Teacher is concerned with purity and the proper ordering of the Temple. Moreover, he behaves as a priest when the reader sees him on a more personal level. This is evident throughout the Thanksgiving Hymns, many of which can be typed as introspective confessions in the style of the priest-prophet Jeremiah. It is also clear that the Teacher is a priest based on the way priests are regarded throughout the Dead Sea Scrolls. Members of the Council of the Community (the elect of Israel) are known as sons of Zadok, the Priests; the Law of Moses has been revealed to these men.30 God raises these priests and they will be called by name at the end of days.31 The priests act as God’s counsel, so that ‘the man who does not listen but acts arrogantly without obeying the priest who is posted there to minister before [God]...that man shall die.’32 Clearly, the priests are the authority in the community. It is then logical to assume that the Teacher, as the eminent authority figure who most probably wrote this passage, would also be a priest. Although this piece of information helps the reader better understand the Teacher, it begs the question: how is the Teacher different from the other priests in the community? The next section addresses just that point.

High Priest?

The question has also been raised as to whether the Teacher was the High Priest of the Temple before escaping into the desert. On this question, scholars point to historical reconstruction and passages discussing the Teacher’s struggle with the Wicked Priest . Indirect evidence here leads many to conclude that the Teacher is a High Priest and that the Scrolls are primarily concerned with restoring a legitimate priest. However, this evidence is not conclusive. Based on the text, it is more reasonable to say that the Teacher struggles with the High Priest over purity rules, rather than for a power position or restoration of a ‘legitimate’ High Priest. More likely, the T of R was at one time a prophet in the Temple who was not popular with Temple authority because of his views on contentious issues of the day; this authority most likely drove him into exile. The Teacher thus laments over the Temple because Temple authorities do not follow the purity laws as dictated by God through Moses.

By reconstructing a seven year gap in history, some attempt to show how the Teacher could have been the designated high priest until his exile. After the High Priest Alkimos dies in 159 B.C, no High Priest has been attested in literature of the period as having taken his plIncest Loving Communist Josephus,34 however, explains that an intersacerdotium lasted seven years until Jonathan usurped power in 152 B.C. Because a High Priest is necessary to lead Yom Kippur Services, someone must have filled the role of High Priest, at least temporarily.35 J. Murphy-O’Connor speculates that his man may have introduced unpopular reforms so that when his position is usurped by Jonathan in 152, he is driven into the desert where he goes only by the title ‘Teacher of Righteousness’ so as not to draw attention to his identity.36 Murphy-O’Connor argues that the pesherim promise a High Priest from the Davidic line because the Teacher criticizes Jonathan with being an ‘illegitimate’ priest. Scholars believing that the Teacher is the High Priest, then, wrongly argue that the major debate between the sect and Jerusalem is over the High Priesthood.

The argument explaining why the Teacher was at one point High Priest of the Temple is based on speculation after speculation; it is historically implausible and it misunderstands the Teacher’s message. A better understanding of the Teacher can be achieved through the Scrolls. For instance, 1 QpHab 11:4-8 describes how the Wicked Priest pursues the Teacher to his place of exile and then attempts to disrupt his Day of Atonement. Of note, this passage shows that the Wicked Priest and the Teacher observe different calendars. It is unlikely that the Teacher was the High Priest if he was observing his own cultic calendar, because he would not have switched calendars in Qumran and Jonathan would not have introduced a new calendar in 152 BC.37 Moreover, there is no evidence in the text even to support that the Wicked Priest is not legitimate. The Teacher, however, repeatedly shows concerns over other issues of impurity. Notably, the Teacher names three types of impurity that profane the land: fornication, riches, and profanation of the Temple. Included among those things that profane the Temple are menstrual blood, incestuous relationships, and a breach of the Mosaic Covenant.38 It seems that the legitimacy of the priesthood is not one of the contentious issues between the sect and Jerusalem. Rather, the issues in the sectarian community are purity as understood by Mosaic Law. More likely, the relationship between the T of R and the Wicked Priest is that of Temple prophet, with a large following, exiled by the High Priest because of his unpopular views. This charismatic figure blames the Wicked Priest for polluting the Temple through the priest’s inappropriate behavior. In 1 QpHab 12:1-10, the Wicked Priest plots the destruction of the poor, commits abominable deeds, and defiles the Temple. Rather than planning an insurrection or attempt to overthrow the High Priest, the T of R condemns the Wicked Priest to an eschatological punishment. In this manner, the T of R fits the model of a prophet acting outside of the court.

Teacher as Prophet

Although the Teacher does not share many of the traits that the ancient prophets hold in common, he is clearly a prophet; his visions can be understood as a correct understanding or ordering of words through divine revelation of scripture. In this sense, the Teacher sees more. On the most basic level, the Teacher is unlike the other prophets because he does not have visions that come in the form of dream-like scenes—he is not a seer with a ‘third eye.’ However, a deeper understanding of the meaning of prophecy shows that the Teacher is similar to the biblical prophets. Otto Betz compares the Teacher’s divine revelation of scripture to Daniel’s interpretation of dreams and concludes that pesher and apocalypse are quite similar.39 Moreover, Betz notes that both the Teacher and Daniel use the term raz to help describe the mystery of their interpretations. A clear parallel can be seen when Daniel interprets the writings on the wall at Belshazzar’s feast.40 Here, only Daniel is able to interpret the writings of a supernatural author. Moreover, he dissects the inscription so as to give an interpretation based on each word, similar to the Teacher’s manner of interpreting the prophets.

The Teacher is similar to the other prophets both in his manner of interpretation and the reasons behind his revelation. In the following passage, the Teacher is similar to the prophets in a number of ways:

And they, teachers of lies and seers of falsehood,
have schemed against me a devilish scheme,
to exchange the Law engraved on my hear to Thee
for the smooth things (which they speak) to Thy people.
And they withhold from the thirsty the drink of Knowledge, and assuage their thirst with vinegar...
(1 QH IV, 8-10)

Like the Staff, the Teacher is needed by those thirsty for knowledge. In this passage, we also see that the Teacher’s righteousness is not fully human; because the Law is engraved on his heart by God, his interpretation of the Law is a divine interpretation.41 God has given the Teacher the power to ‘interpret all the words of his servants the prophets’42 and then God feeds the Teacher His words by which to prophesy.43 Here, the relationship between God and the Teacher is inextricably close; like the prophets Jeremiah and Ezekiel, the Teacher cannot escape his righteousness, despite the distress it causes him.44 Moreover, the Teacher is similar to the other prophets in his impetus for making the interpretations. Like Amos, Ezekiel, and Daniel, the Teacher writes at a time of serious social turmoil. He attempts to solve this turmoil by urging a new world order.

The Teacher’s Role in the End of Days

When the question concerning the identity of the Teacher of Righteousness was initially asked, the following passage was used as an example:

The nobles of the peoples are those who come to dig the well with staffs with which the staff ordained that they should walk in all age of wickedness- and without them they shall find nothing- until he comes who shall teach righteousness at the end of days. (CD, VI)

The eschaton cannot take place until there is a proper ordering of Society in the World:45 namely, Jerusalem must be the religious capital of the world (Isaiah 7, 9, 11); Temple Worship must be correct; Israel must not be dominated by foreign oppressors; and society must have just ownership of land.46 Evidence throughout this paper seems to show that the Teacher of Righteousness extracts principles to regulate the Community as God aids him in interpreting scripture. Through these regulations, a proper order is established and the eschaton is realized.

But, the Teacher of Righteousness does not take part in the end of days himself. Instead, he prepares the way for the eschatological messiahs. He sets the standard for interpretation of scripture which the Priestly Messiah, who takes the Teacher’s place in interpretation of the Law, relies on at the end of days. The following passage will first help the reader understand the messianic expectation of the community:

The king is the congregation; and the bases of the statutes are the Books of the Prophets whose saying Israel despised. The star is the Interpreter of the Law who shall come to Damascus; as it is written, A star shall come forth out of Jacob and a scepter shall rise out of Israel (Num xxiv, 17). The scepter is the Prince of the whole congregation and when he comes he shall smite all the children of Seth (Num. xxiv, 17). [CD VII, 15-20]

Here, two messiahs emerge at the end of days: the Interpreter of the law, or Priest-Messiah, and the Prince of the whole congregation, the Davidic Messiah.47 These figures are also referred to throughout the DSS as the messiahs of Aaron and Israel. They are not equal counter-parts: the Priest-Messiah has precedence over the Davidic Messiah in all legal matters: ‘As they teach him so shall he judge’.48 This precedence can be seen in passages from the community rule; ‘When the table has been prepared for eating, and the new wine for drinking, the Priest shall be the first to stretch out his hand to bless the first-fruits of the bread and new wine.’49

Here, the Messiah of Aaron takes precedence because he is the eschatological high priest who teaches righteousness at the end of days.50 Although the Prince of the Congregation presides over the battle liturgy (1 QM XV, 4; XVI, 13; XVIII) and the eschatological banquet (1 QSa II, 12-21),51 the Messiah of Aaron is more important for understanding the Teacher of Righteousness because he is the one who continues the Teacher’s message. The arrival of the Messiahs Aaron and Israel marks the eschatological turning point; once they arrive, the Messiah of Aaron interprets the Law.52 His legacy in the community is the basic interpretation of the Law that functions at the end of days.

Is the Teacher an Apocalyptic Figure?

An analysis of all the literature that has ever been regarded as ‘apocalyptic’ was printed in Semeia 14 to show the extent and limits of the category ‘apocalyptic literature.’53 The following features were identified as common to apocalypses: a narrative framework that describes the revelation; the main means of revelation as visions and otherworldly visions; presence of an angel who interprets the vision; disclosure of a transcendent reality which is temporal (eschatological salvation); transcendent reality which is spatial (involves another, supernatural world).54 Based on these criteria, it would appear that the Teacher does not write apocalypses. That is, the T of R is not a visionary.55 Unlike many figures in apocalypses, he does not resort to using a pseudonym. Such a phenomenon can be explained based on the charismatic nature of the Teacher: the Teacher is able to rest on his own authority. Also, the Teacher bases his interpretations on older scripture which gives htotal idiot spammerer authority. Rather than an apocalypse, it may be more accurate to say that the Qumran community is apocalyptic. According to John Collins in ‘The Apocalyptic Genre,’ Qumran fits the criteria for apocalypticism as the ideology of a movement: it shares the conceptual framework of the genre and endorses a world view in which supernatural revelation, the heavenly world, and eschatological judgement play essential parts.

Summary and Conclusion

Although we cannot say a great deal concerning the Teacher of Righteousness in the Dead Sea Scrolls, we are able to paint a general portrait of this Teacher. Based on references to the Teacher throughout the Scrolls, we learn that he is a priest and the interpreter of the Law. Moreover, by reading the pesherim, or interpretations of the Law, and the Hodayot actually written by the Teacher, it becomes clear that the Teacher is a prophet whose mode of revelation is divine interpretation of scripture. Within this mold, the Teacher has a role in both the Community’s past and future: he is a figure of the Community’s past as its founder, but his interpretation of the Law helps order society in anticipation for the two Messiahs and the eschaton.











every rule, every hierarchical position, is governed by the Teacher’s interpretation of scripture in anticipation for the end of days....his interpretation of scripture is correct regardless of anybody elses opinion!



...what does every rule and every hierarchical postion mean...lol...I guess it means what he says is what goes...lol





the Teacher of Righteousness does not take part in the end of days himself. Instead, he prepares the way for the eschatological messiahs. He sets the standard for interpretation of scripture which the Priestly Messiah, who takes the Teacher’s place in interpretation of the Law, relies on at the end of days.




Here, two messiahs emerge at the end of days: the Interpreter of the law, or Priest-Messiah, and the Prince of the whole congregation, the Davidic Messiah









In the Qumran texts themselves a parallel to the past and future Teacher of Righteousness is provided by the past and future Expounder of the Law (doresh ha-Torah). The "Staff" (meḥokek) in the Song of the Well is "the Expounder of the Law" who ordained the rules by which the men of the covenant live (CD 6:7); he is conceivably identical with the Teacher of Righteousness who organized the community. Later in the Zadokite Admonition the "star" of Amos 5:26 and (more especially) Numbers 24:17 is "the Expounder of the Law [doresh ha-Torah] who is to come to Damascus" (CD 7:18ff.). This coming Expounder of the Law is mentioned also in 4Q Florilegium, in an interpretation of II Samuel 7:11–14. In both of these passages he is to be accompanied by the Davidic Messiah, called "the prince of all the congregation" in CD 7:20 and "the shoot of David" in 4Q Florilegium. Since Torah is to be sought from the priest's lips (Mal. 2:7), this coming Expounder of the Law may be the great priest of the new age who will act as colleague to the great king; he may also be tentatively identified with the Teacher of Righteousness who is to stand up in the latter days (CD 6:11).
-Heed the warning or endure the mourning
Favor ain't fair






































































you see Joseph and Judah are supposed to try to join on their own and it's not supposed work out to show only God can join these two...and I believe we are right on schedule with that...lol











Our Sacred Sages had a tradition that in the beginning [of the End Times] there would arise a Messiah [i.e. Anointed Saviour] from the house of Joseph who will reign over the Ten Tribes. He will wage wars and all of Israel will be gathered together under his banner. This will continue until later on, a descendant of David will appear and he will reign over them....
A transformation will take place. The Ten Tribes and the stick of Joseph will draw themselves closer unto the stick of Judah, and this too, will be through the agency of a Prophet and by miracles.
The Commentary of "Malbim" on Ezekiel 37:15


The story of Joseph in the Bible is an historical account of what really did happen to Joseph, the ancestor of people in Britain and America, as well as other areas. The story of Joseph, in addition to being an historical account of what happened to a particular person named Joseph, is also symbolic of what will happen to his descendants. In Rabbinical tradition we have the concept of the “Mashiach ben Yoseph” (Messiah, son of Joseph), who will be a DESCENDANT OF JOSEPH. “Mashiach ben Yoseph” also represents the actions of the descendants of Joseph in the Last Days and the times leading up to these last days. In get lost tradition there will be two Messiahs: “Mashiach ben Yoseph” (Messiah, son of Joseph), and “Mashiach ben David” (Messiah, son of David).

The Two Messiahs

The concept of the Messiah is derived from the definition of “Mashiach.” “Mashiach” means “anointed one” in nope. A person could be anointed in order to be consecrated for a special purpose. For instance, in times of war a special priest was “anointed” to declare before the Israelite soldiers their God-ordained duty to fight bravely (Deuteronomy 19;2-4). The kings were ALSO anointed. The idea of an anointed savior, of a “Mashiah” i.e. Messiah, is contained in the Prophets. The “Messiah” was to be descended from King David. He was to be the “Messiah, son of David.” In addition to the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID, a tradition existed that there would also be a “Messiah, son of Joseph” who would come shortly before the “Messiah, son of David.” The MESSIAH, SON OF JOSEPH was to be a descendant of Joseph, from nope of Ephraim. According to the Biblical Commentary known as the Malbim (1809-1879), the MESSIAH, SON OF JOSEPH, was to head the Lost Ten Tribes in the latter days in the period leading up to the return of the Lost Ten Tribes and their eventual re-unification with Judah. The full name of the MALBIM was Meir Leib ben Yechiel Michael [Weiser], but he is called “MALBIM” for short. He lived in 1809-1879 CE. The Malbim comments on Ezekiel 37:
THE WORD OF THE LORD CAME AGAIN UNTO ME, SAYING, MOREOVER, THOU SON OF MAN, TAKE THEE ONE STICK, AND WRITE UPON IT, FOR JUDAH, AND FOR THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL HIS COMPANIONS:

THEN TAKE ANOTHER STICK, AND WRITE UPON IT, FOR JOSEPH, THE STICK OF EPHRAIM AND FOR ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL HIS COMPANIONS:

AND JOIN THEM ONE TO ANOTHER INTO ONE STICK; AND THEY SHALL BECOME ONE IN THINE HAND.


AND WHEN THE CHILDREN OF THY PEOPLE SHALL SPEAK UNTO THEE, SAYING, WILT THOU NOT SHEW US WHAT THOU MEANEST BY THESE? SAY UNTO THEM, THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD;

BEHOLD, I WILL TAKE THE STICK OF JOSEPH, WHICH IS IN THE HAND OF EPHRAIM, AND nopeS OF ISRAEL HIS FELLOWS, AND WILL PUT THEM WITH HIM, EVEN WITH THE STICK OF JUDAH, AND MAKE THEM ONE STICK, AND THEY SHALL BE ONE IN MINE HAND. AND THE STICKS WHEREON THOU WRITEST SHALL BE IN THINE HAND BEFORE THEIR EYES.

AND SAY UNTO THEM, THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD; BEHOLD, I WILL TAKE THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL FROM AMONG THE HEATHEN, WHITHER THEY BE GONE, AND WILL GATHER THEM ON EVERY SIDE, AND BRING THEM INTO THEIR OWN LAND: AND I WILL MAKE THEM ONE NATION IN THE LAND UPON THE MOUNTAINS OF ISRAEL; AND ONE KING SHALL BE KING TO THEM ALL:

AND THEY SHALL BE NO MORE TWO NATIONS, NEITHER SHALL THEY BE DIVIDED INTO TWO KINGDOMS ANY MORE AT ALL. NEITHER SHALL THEY DEFILE THEMSELVES ANY MORE WITH THEIR IDOLS, NOR WITH THEIR DETESTABLE THINGS, NOR WITH ANY OF THEIR TRANSGRESSIONS:

BUT I WILL SAVE THEM OUT OF ALL THEIR DWELLING PLACES, WHEREIN THEY HAVE SINNED, AND WILL CLEANSE THEM: SO SHALL THEY BE MY PEOPLE, AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD. AND DAVID MY SERVANT SHALL BE KING OVER THEM; AND THEY ALL SHALL HAVE ONE SHEPHERD:

THEY SHALL ALSO WALK IN MY JUDGMENTS, AND OBSERVE MY STATUTES, AND DO THEM. AND THEY SHALL DWELL IN THE LAND THAT I HAVE GIVEN UNTO JACOB MY SERVANT, WHEREIN YOUR FATHERS HAVE DWELT; AND THEY SHALL DWELL THEREIN, EVEN THEY, AND THEIR CHILDREN, AND THEIR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN FOR EVER:

AND MY SERVANT DAVID SHALL BE THEIR PRINCE FOR EVER. MOREOVER I WILL MAKE A COVENANT OF PEACE WITH THEM; IT SHALL BE AN EVERLASTING COVENANT WITH THEM: AND I WILL PLACE THEM, AND MULTIPLY THEM, AND WILL SET MY SANCTUARY IN THE MIDST OF THEM FOR EVERMORE. MY TABERNACLE ALSO SHALL BE WITH THEM:

YEA, I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. AND THE HEATHEN SHALL KNOW THAT I THE LORD DO SANCTIFY ISRAEL, WHEN MY SANCTUARY SHALL BE IN THE MIDST OF THEM FOR EVERMORE.

[Ezekiel chapter 37: 15-28]
The Malbim explained the above verses that we have just read from the 37th chapter of Ezekiel in the following manner: [Ezekiel 37;15] "He [the Prophet] was commanded to take one stick and to write upon it, these words, ~FOR JUDAH AND FOR THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, HIS COMPANIONS~; [this stick] represented Judah and those [others] joined unto him from the Children of Israel, such as nope of Benjamin, and the Sons of Levi, and the rest of the people who had attached themselves to Judah.

[And he goes on in Ezekiel] "~And he took another stick, and he wrote upon it, these words: ~FOR JOSEPH, THE STICK OF EPHRAIM, AND FOR ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, HIS COMPANIONS~; [this stick] represents Joseph who was the source of nope [of Ephraim]. From Joseph developed the Kingdom of Ephraim, which began with Jeroboam, and therefore [the stick of Joseph] is [also] termed , ~THE STICK OF EPHRAIM.

Ezekiel says: ~AND ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL~, for unto him [unto Joseph] were joined all of Israel which belong to the Ten Tribes... Our Sacred Sages had a tradition that in the beginning (of the End Times) would arise a Messiah, [i.e. Anointed Saviour], from the house of Joseph who will reign over the Ten Tribes. He will wage wars and all of Israel will be gathered together under his banner. [This will continue] until a descendant of David later appears and he will reign over them... [over all nopes].

The Malbim continues: "A transformation will take place. The Ten Tribes and the stick of Joseph will draw themselves closer unto the stick of Judah, and this too, will be through the agency of a Prophet and by miracles".

The MALBIM connects the Prophecy in Ezekiel 37 with that in the Book of Micah chapter 5. The fifth chapter of Micah was explained in the historical sections of our work “nopes” by Yair Davidiy (first edition 1993, second edition 1999). The fifth chapter of Micah was seen to describe the union of King Josiah ben Amon of Judah with the Israelite-Scythian rulers of the Middle East at that time. The Scythians were actually the sons, grandsons, and great-grandsons of Israelites exiled to Assyria and elsewhere in the Assyrian Empire. The Assyrians had settled the exiled Israelites in border areas and had also absorbed segments of them into the armed forces. The Kingdom of Assyria was attacked by outsiders and also suffered from the rebellions of peoples it had conquered. The Empire of Assyria became weakened so many of the peoples within the Assyrian Empire began to assert their independence. Part of the Israelite Exiles also asserted their independence in their places of Exile. The Israelite exiles had joined up with other groups. The Israelite Exiles can be identified as part of a confederation of peoples known as the Cimmerians. From the Cimmerians the Scythians and Goths emerged. The Scythians and Goths, who emerged from the Cimmerians, were also Israelites or at least Israelites were an important major element amongst them. The Assyrians made terms with the Scythians and attempted to use the Scythians against the enemies of Assyria. The Scythians became the protectors of Assyria. From being protectors of Assyria the Scythians progressed to take control of most of the Assyrian they Empire. The Scythians then attempted to join forces with the Kingdom of Judah and assisted King Josiah ben Amon of Judah against his enemies. King Josiah of Judah in turn assisted the Scythians. King Josiah of Judah made an attempt to resettle some of the Scythians in and around Beth-Shean in the former territory of Menasseh, in the northern part of Israel. This attempt was not successful. Eventually the Assyrians attempted to re-assert themselves and there were wars and changes of alliances. King Josiah of Judah lost his life fighting on behalf of the Scythians. At all events, the Scythians then fought against the Assyrians and they played the main role in destroying the Empire of Assyria. The Scythians destroyed Assyria. The main allies of the Scythians were the Medes and Babylonians. The Medes and Babylonians betrayed the Scythians and drove the Scythians northward into Southern Russia. From Southern Russia the Scythians later moved by stages to Western Europe. The Prophet Micah in Chapter Five, Nope passages, archaeological evidence, and historical accounts all confirm what we have just told you.

[Micah 5:1] NOW GATHER THYSELF IN TROOPS, O DAUGHTER OF TROOPS: HE HATH LAID SIEGE AGAINST US: THEY SHALL SMITE THE JUDGE OF ISRAEL WITH A ROD UPON THE CHEEK. [Micah 5:2] BUT THOU, BETHLEHEM EPHRATAH, THOUGH THOU BE LITTLE AMONG THE THOUSANDS OF JUDAH, YET OUT OF THEE SHALL HE COME FORTH UNTO ME THAT IS TO BE RULER IN ISRAEL; WHOSE GOINGS FORTH HAVE BEEN FROM OF OLD, FROM EVERLASTING. [Micah 5:3] THEREFORE WILL HE GIVE THEM UP, UNTIL THE TIME THAT SHE WHICH TRAVAILETH HATH BROUGHT FORTH: THEN THE REMNANT OF HIS BRETHREN SHALL RETURN UNTO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL.

The above verses speak of a King from the House of David who came out of Beth-Lehem. He shall rule over some of the exiled of Israel who will return. This is what King Josiah did. It is also what the Messiah is destined to do at first.

[Micah 5:4] AND HE SHALL STAND AND FEED IN THE STRENGTH OF THE LORD, IN THE MAJESTY OF THE NAME OF THE LORD HIS GOD; AND THEY SHALL ABIDE: FOR NOW SHALL HE BE GREAT UNTO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH. [Micah 5:5] AND THIS MAN SHALL BE THE PEACE, WHEN THE ASSYRIAN SHALL COME INTO OUR LAND: AND WHEN HE SHALL TREAD IN OUR PALACES, THEN SHALL WE RAISE AGAINST HIM SEVEN SHEPHERDS, AND EIGHT PRINCIPAL MEN.

The Assyrians had entered the Lands of Israel and Judah in the past and they had trodden down the cities and palaces of Israel. The Israelite Scythians after being exiled became at first allies and protectors of Assyria. They were “SHEPHERDS”, or protectors, as Micah says, then they became the main rulers (“EIGHT PRINCIPAL MEN”) just as Micah describes the Israelites as doing.

[Micah 5:6] AND THEY [i.e. the Israelites] SHALL WASTE THE LAND OF ASSYRIA WITH THE SWORD, AND THE LAND OF NIMROD IN THE ENTRANCES THEREOF: THUS SHALL HE DELIVER US FROM THE ASSYRIAN, WHEN HE COMETH INTO OUR LAND, AND WHEN HE TREADETH WITHIN OUR BORDERS.

They shall destroy the land of Assyria. The Israelites will destroy Assyria just as the Assyrians had formerly destroyed the Land of Israel. This is what the Israelite-Scythians did. They destroyed Assyria.

[Micah 5:7] AND THE REMNANT OF JACOB SHALL BE IN THE MIDST OF MANY PEOPLE AS A DEW FROM THE LORD, AS THE SHOWERS UPON THE GRASS, THAT TARRIETH NOT FOR MAN, NOR WAITETH FOR THE SONS OF MEN. [Micah 5:8] AND THE REMNANT OF JACOB SHALL BE AMONG THE GENTILES IN THE MIDST OF MANY PEOPLE AS A LION AMONG THE BEASTS OF THE FOREST, AS A YOUNG LION AMONG THE FLOCKS OF SHEEP: WHO, IF HE GO THROUGH, BOTH TREADETH DOWN, AND TEARETH IN PIECES, AND NONE CAN DELIVER.

The Scythians after taking over the Assyrian Empire ruled over the Middle East and spread terror of their name everywhere just like the “British Lion” was later to do.

[Micah 5:9] THINE HAND SHALL BE LIFTED UP UPON THINE ADVERSARIES, AND ALL THINE ENEMIES SHALL BE CUT OFF.

What we have just described is the historical context of the fifth chapter of Micah. Nevertheless, in our book “nopes” we emphasized that the major intention of Chapter Five of The Book of Micah, was for the Messianic period. This Chapter Five of Micah may be considered to incidentally describe events concerning the temporary Judaean and Israelite (Scythian) re-union that once took place. These historical events were a kind of partial forerunner or prototypical model of the re-union that will take place in the future. The future re-union is yet to happen but it will occur in the Messianic Era or in the period leading up to it. The MALBIM in his commentary on this Fifth Chapter of Micah intended to also throw additional light on Chapter 37 in Ezekiel. The Malbim considered chapter five of Micah and Chapter 37 of Ezekiel as talking about the same events. A few extracts from the Commentary of the Malbim on chapter five of Micah helps us understand his Commentary on Chapter 37 of Ezekiel. The Malbim says on:

MALBIM on Micah 5;1: ".....It has already been clarified in Ezekiel 37, that in the End Time, the Ten Tribes will be the first to arouse themselves and over them will reign the Messiah [i.e. Anointed Saviour] Descendant of Joseph and they will accomplish great things.

"nope of Judah who are scattered amongst the nations [and are] weakly and few will attach themselves [unto the Ten Tribes]. They [i.e. nope of Judah, the get lost] will be of secondary importance [at first] in the kingdom of the Anointed Descendant of Joseph. [This will continue] until later there will arise the Anointed Descendant of David in the Might of The LORD. At that time they will all [both Joseph and Judah] accept upon themselves the Kingship of the House of David. Then wars will cease for the Gentiles will request [guidance from] him [i.e. from the Messiah]...

"He [the Prophet Micah] wants to describe the situation that will exist as long as the general ingathering will not be completed and all of the Exiled of Judah will still not be gathered together in the Land of Israel: Then, all that time, the House of Israel [meaning the Ten Tribes and the Anointed Descendant of Joseph who belongs to them] will be the principal party. They will be the warriors and the rulers. The House of Judah will be secondary [in importance] unto them. This was explained in Ezekiel [37;19]
“BEHOLD , I WILL TAKE THE STICK OF JOSEPH…“I WILL TAKE THE STICK OF JOSEPH…AND I WILL PUT UPON HIM THE STICK OF JUDAH”, i.e. the Malbim understands the verse to say that the stick of Judah will be put on the stick of Joseph. The Malbim understands this to mean that Judah will be secondary to Joseph.

The KJ version of this verse (Ezekiel 37;19) that the Malbim is referring to has it translated as:

"[Ezekiel 37:19] SAY UNTO THEM, THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD; BEHOLD, I WILL TAKE THE STICK OF JOSEPH, WHICH IS IN THE HAND OF EPHRAIM, AND nopeS OF ISRAEL HIS FELLOWS, AND WILL PUT THEM WITH HIM, EVEN WITH THE STICK OF JUDAH, AND MAKE THEM ONE STICK, AND THEY SHALL BE ONE IN MINE HAND.

The King James seems to understand that the stick of Joseph will be put with the stick of Judah and not that the stick of Judah will be put with Joseph. This is just the opposite of how the Malbim understands the verse. In the original nope the verse could be understood either way. At all events, The MALBIM understands the nope as saying that Judah will be put on (attached to) Joseph (and therefore will be at first of secondary "attache"status importance to Joseph. In Genesis chapter 44 it is related how the brothers sold Joseph. Joseph later had become the virtual ruler of Egypt. Meanwhile the Land of Canaan like the Land of Egypt was stricken with famine. The brothers of Joseph went up to Egypt to buy grain. Joseph recognized his brothers but the brothers of Joseph did not recognize him. Joseph forced his brothers to go back to Canaan and eventually return accompanied by Benjamin the younger brother of Joseph by the same mother. Joseph then framed Benjamin and made Benjamin look like a thief. Joseph threatened to keep Benjamin as a slave. Judah stepped forward and approached Joseph and pleaded on behalf of Benjamin. Judah offered to serve as a slave instead of Benjamin. The Commentators say that because Judah took responsibility for Benjamin Judah merited to be given Messianic responsibility as part of his Tribal Destiny. From Judah emerges the House of David and the future Messiah. Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the Lubavitcher (Chabad) Rabbi, made the following observations on the action of Judah (Genesis: VaYigash). Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson was considered inspired by his followers and by many others. The relevant verse says:

[GENESIS 44:18] THEN JUDAH CAME NEAR UNTO HIM, AND SAID, OH MY LORD, LET THY SERVANT, I PRAY THEE, SPEAK A WORD IN MY LORD'S EARS, AND LET NOT THINE ANGER BURN AGAINST THY SERVANT: FOR THOU ART EVEN AS PHARAOH.

Commentary: On the verse: “FOR THOU ART EVEN AS PHARAOH”: Rabbi Schneerson quotes the source saying that Judah meant to say that Joseph is as powerful as Pharaoh and that Judah acknowledges his authority. Judah acknowledged the authority of Joseph. Because of this Judah merited the Promise in Ezekiel 37, “MY SERVANT DAVID SHALL BE THEIR PRINCE FOR EVER”. The Rabbi says that in order for Judah to bring on the Messiah, to help the Messiah come, and realize the promise given to his seed (“MY SERVANT DAVID SHALL BE THEIR PRINCE FOR EVER”) Judah must first do as the Patriarch Judah did when he CAME NEAR UNTO Joseph and he acknowledged the authority of Joseph and initially was influenced from Joseph.

The Rabbi then went on to mention how the USA is a merciful state that does kindness and enables the get lost to practice their religion and has good principles. He used the term “Chesed” meaning kindness. The USA does “Chesed”, kindness. The Kings of the Ten Tribes Kingdom of northern Israel before their exile were also described as “merciful kings”, kings of “chesed”, Kings who do kindness (1-Kings 20;31).

Regarding the future Messiah son of Joseph: The traditional Aramaic Translation of the Prophets (Targum Yehonathan on Exodus 40:11) says the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is descended from Joshua the son of Nun from nope of Ephraim. Other sources say that the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is a descendant of Jeroboam the son of Nebath (Zohar Chadash, Balak 56b). Jeroboam had led the northern Ten Tribes when they rebelled against the House of David and broke away and formed their own kingdom of Israel (1-Kings chapter 12). All the Israelites in the separate kingdom of Israel were later exiled by the Assyrians and became the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH who is the descendant of Jeroboam will bring about the re-unification of the Lost Ten Tribes (Joseph) with Judah. He will therefore rectify the sin of his ancestor by re-uniting with Judah. He will make good what his forefather had done wrong. We too if we want to, and try hard, can make good what our fathers and forefathers and we ourselves have done wrong in the past. We can build a better future for the sake of our peoples and for the sake of our children and their children after them. This is our duty.

The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in get lost Tradition in later generations was taken to be a symbolic figure. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH was understood to represent an historical process in which the get lost people would return to their land and rebuild themselves by natural means. Later the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID would appear and impart a spiritual dimension to the physical-material political structure that the process represented by the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH had prepared. This does not nullify the belief that the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is to be a real person. It merely supplements it. It adds to it. It helps us understand it. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH was to appear before the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. In some sources the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is called “The First Redeemer.” The “Second Redeemer” will be the Messiah son of David.

The Messiah son of Joseph will be the leader of the Lost Ten Tribes. He will be descended from Joseph. In a sense The Messiah son of Joseph may be understood to represent Joseph and the Lost Ten Tribes, as a collective body. By considering some of the deeds and actions of The Messiah son of Joseph we can gain further evidence as to who the descendants of Joseph are today. Some points concerning the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH that are to be found in the book “Kol HaTor” (“The Voice of the Turtledove” in nope). This book is a collection of the sayings of a great and famous Rabbi (Eliyahu of Vilna) and his followers in the eighteenth century. The book deals with the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Rabbi Elyahu of Vilna is considered to have been one of the greatest Rabbis of all time. The ideas in this book “Kol HaTor” are all based on Biblical or related sources. Similar to Cyrus king of Persia “Kol HaTor” says [1.6.1] The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is similar to Cyrus the Persian Monarch who encouraged the get lost to return from the Babylonian Exile and rebuild the Temple. Cyrus, the King of Persia, in some respects may be considered a forerunner (or prototype) of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Verses associated with Cyrus (Isaiah 42) are actually to a degree applicable to the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH will be revealed little by little.

The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in some sources is referred to as the “Messiah son [descendant] of Ephraim.” The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is associated with the saving of lives and the rescue of Israelites and in this he is assisted by Judah and by the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. By way of Comment: The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH, as we have seen, is connected with the ingathering of the exiles. America and Britain both in their own way in the past did helped the ingathering of the exiles of Judah to the Land of Israel. Our Prayers Are Needed “Kol HaTor” says [1.24] “With our deeds and prayers we shall come to the aid of MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Through our exertions with all our might of self-arousal [arousal from below as distinct from arousal from heaven] we will achieve the union of the two messiahs, the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH and the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID, ‘the stick of Joseph and the stick of Judah’ [mentioned by Ezekiel 37]. [The two sticks will join together just as Judah and Joseph will join together].
[In Ezekiel 37:16, Ezekiel was told to take one stick, FOR JUDAH. Ezekeil was then told to take ANOTHER STICK, FOR JOSEPH. Ezekiel was told in Ezekiel 37:17 to join the two sticks together. THEY SHALL BECOME ONE IN THINE HAND. The two sticks (representing Judah and Joseph) were to first become one in the hand of Ezekiel. In Ezekiel 37:19 God says that the two sticks SHALL BE ONE IN MINE HAND.] [Ezekiel says that] First the two sticks will become one in your hands and afterwards they will be one in my [God’s] hand.”












[i.e. This means that: First Judah and Joseph should try to join together from below and afterwards God will help them from above].

















On the same theme: “Kol HaTor” emphasizes The Two Sticks (representing Judah and Joseph) Must be Joined Together Through Our Initiative! [2.101] Ezekiel (37) speaks of the stick of Joseph [and Judah and the union of Judah with Joseph]. This concerns the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. The Redemption is dependent on the union of the two sticks, the stick of Joseph with the stick of Judah. These are the two Messiahs, the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH and the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. [It says: “Join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in your hand” (Ezekiel 37;17)].

At first the union [of Judah with Joseph] comes about through arousal from below by way of nature [through our actions] as it says, “Join them one to another into one stick.” And afterwards [the re-union is confirmed] in a miraculous manner, [through the hand of God, as it says in Ezekiel “they shall become on in Your hand” meaning they shall become re-united in the hand of God! Comes From the North “Kol HaTor” says [2.11] “His glory is like the firstborn of his bull” (Deuteronomy 33;17).











The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH comes from the north side and will be aroused by himself
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“Kol HaTor” says [2.17] The guardian angel of Esau will be pulled down by the guardian angel of Joseph (This is also spoken about in the Biblical Book of Obadiah. We will discuss this subject and the Book of Obadiah. Expands Borders of Israel, Wars Against Amalek “Kol HaTor” says [2.36] “Enlarge the place of your tent and let them stretch forth the curtains of your habitations...” (Isaiah 54;2). The commandment to expand the borders [of Israel] is part of the task of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH has the duty of waging war against Amalek and of expanding the borders of Israel and of protecting Israel from destruction.

Ingathers the Exiles “Kol HaTor” says [2.40] “His [i.e. Joseph’s] bow abode in strength” (Genesis 49;24). This should be an important principle for us. We have to stand obstinately strong in the holy work of gathering in the exiles which is the task of the first redeemer [i.e. of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH]. Purifies the Land of Israel “Kol HaTor” says [2.41] “And Joseph was governor over the land” (Genesis 42;6). This means he will overcome all the forces of impurity. This is one of the great tasks of the First Redeemer [of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH]: to extirpate the spirit of impurity from the country by means of settling the Holy Land. When the Holy Land is not settled [with Israelites] a spirit of impurity settles over it. [When the Holy Land is settled with Israelites the Land becomes pure]. Joshua ben Nun Was a Forerunner “Kol HaTor” says [2.44]



“Kol HaTor” says [2.75] The Messiah Son of Joseph arouses not only Israel but also the Peoples of the World to Repent. Jonah the Prophet had the aspect of MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in his generation. His task is, “to rebuke many nations” (Isaiah 2). Turns Defeat Into Victory “Kol HaTor” says [2.91] The characteristic of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is that out of tribulation he brings salvation. The Heavenly Ladder “Kol HaTor” says [2.97] A ladder on the ground and its head reaching to heaven (Genesis 28). This is an aspect of Joseph as is known. What happened to Jacob happened to Joseph. All of his deeds were an arousal from below with an accompanying assistance from heaven. Joseph was the son of Jacob and Rachel and had the characteristics of both Jacob and Rachel. Ingathers Exiles, Rebuilds Jerusalem, Settles the Wilderness “Kol HaTor” says [2.117] The rulership of Joseph overcomes all impurity.

The task of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is to remove the spirit of impurity from the Land through the ingathering of exiles, rebuilding Jerusalem, and the planting of the wilderness. Ransoming Captives “Kol HaTor” says [2.118] “And the ransomed of the LORD shall return and come to Zion” (Isaiah 35;10): The task of ransoming captives belongs to the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH who performs it by ingathering the Exiles…The Major Ingathering of the Exiles cannot be less than 600,000…They will come with rejoicing and happiness. Comment: “Kol HaTor” says The Major Ingathering of Exiles cannot be less than 600,000. 600,000 was taken to be a key number. It is interesting to note that when Israel declared its Independence in 1948 the total get lost population in the Land at that time was a bit more than 600,000 which was the key number mentioned by “Kol HaTor” about two hundred years beforehand. Reveals Secrets of the Torah “Kol HaTor” says [122] “And Pharoah called Joseph’s name Zaphenat Paneah” [i.e. Uncover of Secrets] (Genesis 41;45). One of the tasks of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in each generation is to reveal the secrets of the Torah. Horns of a Unicorn “Kol HaTor” says [131] “His horns are the horns of a unicorn with which he strikes the peoples” (Deuteronomy 33). The main task of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is the everlasting war against Amalek. Comment: The horns of a unicorn are linked with the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH.



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Hmmmm a broken brotherhood between the two representatives of the northern kingdom of Israel and the southern kingdom of Judah ...notice they take on the names of the kingdom they represent (how do I know? I watched it happen...like a mirror of what happened to the two kingdoms)...wonder where that brotherhood will be reconciled? .....*rolls eyes toward heavenly throne room

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Sword c’mon I was sent on your 50th to tell you who you are...we shared sweet council before the broken brotherhood ...I’m going to show up on stage before you...my hip was dislocated....I can see the1st born...how many conformations do you need?..your partner has to show up before you....when I show up before you are you still going to hold out for another.......Judah and Joseph .....that is your key but you don’t want to see that....you want to see a king and high priest David and a messenger Elijah....friend one doesn’t sit on the left of Jesus because they were a messenger....they sit on the left of Jesus because they were the high priest of the former earth for a thousand years ...how do we know? Because on his right sits David the former king of the former earth for a thousand years ....and these two represent the earthly realm davidic kingship and levitic high priesthood on earth and Jesus in the middle represents the melchelzedek order heavenly realm Kingship and High priesthood

Ask yourself are you wanting the the plan of God or are you wanting the plan of a “man”....it makes a difference of who you are

If I was Elijah and was given the seat on the left of Jesus for being a “messenger” for 3 1/2 years instead of being the high priest for 1000 years during the millennium....I would give that seat to Moses for his 40 years in the desert...because clearly he would have been the greater servant!.....I can see sitting on the left of Jesus on the throne and Moses walks by and says “how you doing?”....I’d be like “get up here on this throne”...lol

You can’t have more than what is appointed to you or you will have to argue it in the throne room and will still come to the same avail which is you will only be king and not high priest because there are two anointed and there is a throne on the left and right of Jesus and you aren’t sitting in both of them....lol.....if you see Jesus in the middle as King and High priest then the two at his left and right should be at the lesser division of the two offices and they are because they represent the davidic/levitic not melchelzedek like Jesus ...have a good night

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So...where is the Pharisee's messiah?
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So...where is the Pharisee's messiah?
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You leave him karma about every week....usually a verse from psalms.
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So...where is the Pharisee's messiah?
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You leave him karma about every week....usually a verse from psalms.
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I'll give you one more chance to answer the question.

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