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If it can't be said with a simple meme, it's a bullshit wall of words.
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A sobering read.
 Quoting: THE LATHE OF HEAVEN


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LOL

Beating down the globalists/deep state is like trying to outsmart 5th grade students AT BEST

Besides, Trump isn't America, the Americans are America.

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OP is smoking some deep state globalist feces.
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This is a book sale pitch and fake news in one I think.
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the teal deer is "orange man bad"
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A sobering read.
 Quoting: THE LATHE OF HEAVEN


its a pile of dog shit you seemingly lapped up.
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Empire?? Don't compare yourself to the British please.
Youre not even close....
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All these people who act appalled, shocked, surprised, baffled, bewildered, angry, hateful, arrogant, and/or violent over Trump being elected need to grow-up and start acting like adults.

It is has been obvious to truly productive hard-working people who do not leach off the public treasury that the USA has been in trouble for some time and Trump was elected as a response to this (i.e. MAGA). Why is that so damn hard to understand? One main reason is that too many people have had is so good that they are truly infantile in their comprehension and emotions. Most all of such people are not productive citizens but leaches and truly do not understand the dog eat dog world. They throw temper tantrums like 3 month old babies when things do go the way they want (elections, etc.). These people are the weak and they have been literally carried along by the strong. Who whines, complains, gets mad, or violent when they don't get their way: weak people or strong people?

Mother Nature has an answer for handling the weak and as the weak continue to dangerously rock the boat they are going to cause it to tip over. When that happens the weaklings will be weeded-out by Mother Nature and nobody will be there to save them. Keep rocking the boat, weaklings.
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How the fuck do these idiots find their way to this website and then are allowed to post. It's like GLP is morphing into CNN>
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China will not flood its economy with liquidity as many economies around the world: “We are not in a rush to conduct relatively large-scale rate cuts or quantitative easing like some other central banks have done,” People’s Bank of China (PBOC) Governor Yi Gang said.
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What a strange read.

He's right about the risks, says when the seeds were sown (but IMO it was way before 2003), and then goes on to blame the person who's only been in charge for the last 3 years.

I'd say Trump has been trying to shore up a system that's been headed towards 'trouble' for years.

Also, I'd suggest that it is weird to blame Trump for specific military 'stuff' at the moment, when so many of the current set of obvious problems were seeded by whoever was in charge (and/or Secretary of State) about 10 years ago...

As I say, a strange read.
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"Alfred McCoy: What I think right now is that, through some kind of malign design, Donald Trump has divined, has figured out what are the essential pillars of U.S. global power that have sustained Washington’s hegemony for the past 70 years and he seems to be setting out to demolish each one of those pillars one by one. He’s weakened the NATO alliance; he’s weakened our alliances with Asian allies along the Pacific littoral. He’s proposing to cut back on the scientific research which has given the United States — its military industrial complex — a cutting edge, a leading edge in critical new weapons systems since the early years of the Cold War. And he’s withdrawing the United States, almost willfully, from its international leadership, most spectacularly with the Paris Climate Accord but also very importantly with the Trans-Pacific Partnership."

EVEN AS PRESIDENT DONALD Trump faces ever-intensifying investigations into the alleged connections between his top aides and family members and powerful Russian figures, he serves as commander in chief over a U.S. military that is killing an astonishing and growing number of civilians. Under Trump, the U.S. is re-escalating its war in Afghanistan, expanding its operations in Iraq and Syria, conducting covert raids in Somalia and Yemen, and openly facilitating the Saudi’s genocidal military destruction of Yemen.

Meanwhile, China has quietly and rapidly expanded its influence without deploying its military on foreign soil.

A new book by the famed historian Alfred McCoy predicts that China is set to surpass the influence of the U.S. globally, both militarily and economically, by the year 2030. At that point, McCoy asserts the United States empire as we know it will be no more. He sees the Trump presidency as one of the clearest byproducts of the erosion of U.S. global dominance, but not its root cause. At the same time, he also believes Trump may accelerate the empire’s decline.

McCoy argues that the 2003 invasion of Iraq was the beginning of the end. McCoy is not some chicken little. He is a serious academic. And he has guts.

During the Vietnam War, McCoy was ambushed by CIA-backed paramilitaries as he investigated the swelling heroin trade. The CIA tried to stop the publication of his now classic book, “The Politics of Heroin.” His phone was tapped, he was audited by the IRS, and he was investigated and spied on by the FBI. McCoy also wrote one of the earliest and most prescient books on the post-9/11 CIA torture program and he is one of the world’s foremost experts on U.S. covert action. His new book, which will be released in September, is called “In the Shadows of the American Century: The Rise and Decline of U.S. Global Power.”

“The American Century, proclaimed so triumphantly at the start of World War II, may already be tattered and fading by 2025 and, except for the finger pointing, could be over by 2030,” McCoy writes. Imagining the real-life impact on the U.S. economy, McCoy offers a dark prediction:

For the majority of Americans, the 2020s will likely be remembered as a demoralizing decade of rising prices, stagnant wages, and fading international competitiveness. After years of swelling deficits fed by incessant warfare in distant lands, in 2030 the U.S. dollar eventually loses its special status as the world’s dominant reserve currency.

Suddenly, there are punitive price increases for American imports ranging from clothing to computers. And the costs for all overseas activity surges as well, making travel for both tourists and troops prohibitive. Unable to pay for swelling deficits by selling now-devalued Treasury notes abroad, Washington is finally forced to slash its bloated military budget. Under pressure at home and abroad, its forces begin to pull back from hundreds of overseas bases to a continental perimeter. Such a desperate move, however, comes too late.

Faced with a fading superpower incapable of paying its bills, China, India, Iran, Russia, and other powers provocatively challenge U.S. dominion over the oceans, space, and cyberspace.

Alfred McCoy is the Harrington professor of history at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. He is the author of the now-classic book “The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade.” His new book, out in September, is “In the Shadows of the American Century: The Rise and Decline of U.S. Global Power.”


I quote a small part heres link [link to theintercept.com (secure)]
 Quoting: THE LATHE OF HEAVEN


Mostly accurate.

China is now the Manufacturing POWERHOUSE of the world, the position the US held going into WW2.

China is working hard to position itself as the Scientific Research Center of the world also, and are making great strides in that area though still behind the US. China is now outspending the US in basic scientific research almost 4 to 1!!! (and some reports claim it is closer to 8 to 1). If you look at the new papers of scientific discoveries coming out you will find that virtually all of them have a Chinese Phd's name as one of the discoverer's on it. China WILL surpass the US in the scientific research arena sometime in the next 20 years, possibly in just the next 10 in most areas except things like CERN and Outer Space relate fields.

China's GDP is now at least equal to the US's but with
a LOT LESS social welfare programs to pay for, which means that they have the monetary resources to devote to finishing up their Infrastructure build out, fund a HUGE Military Expansion, and also fund their Science Research program.

China is NOT over committed with it's military all over the world which gives it an ability to CONCENTRATE what power it has, and is developing, into an exceptionally strong localized force. This bodes ill for the US in the areas that are close to China since by about 2025-2027 they will have localized military superiority in their near China region.

By 2050 China's economy will probably be about 3 times the size of the US economy since they are moving from an export based economy to a consumption based economy they do not have to grow their exports by much to be able to obtain that.

Once China's economy is 3x that of the US's then they can easily fund their military to bigger and better equipped forces than the US. With a "command" economy AND their low social welfare program requirements that will make it even easier for the China to quickly grow it's military to a much more powerful force than the US's, assuming they make that a national goal (which it appears they re in the process of doing - 2 self built aircraft carriers already with 3 more already under construction in the yards that are to be delivered and in service by 2025).

A country can't remain #1 in the world when it's main competitor has LOWER COSTS (much less social welfare to pay for) AND has an economy that is 3x to 4x bigger.

Of course China could go "off the rails" and it's economic development suddenly cease ... but there is nothing in the wings that indicates that is even a remote potential.

China now internally produces MORE motor vehicles than the US does internally.

China produces about 700 million tons of steel per year (that is AFTER they shut down 100 million tons of production too) ... the US only about 80 million tons.

The items go on and on and on. If a person actually pays attention the manufacturing statistics the US is already a DISTANT 2nd rate power, quickly approaching a 3rd rate power.

People can RAH RAH USA USA USA all they want ... but that doesn't change the actual dynamics of what is happening in the real world

(just as long time Texans here keep shouting about Texas being the last "free" place for Whites in the US, while ignoring the fact that minorities now make up the majority of grade school students in school and Mex-American students outnumber Whites in grade school in most Texas cities)
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EVEN AS PRESIDENT DONALD Trump faces ever-intensifying investigations into the alleged connections between his top aides and family members and powerful Russian figures, he serves as commander in chief over a U.S. military that is killing an astonishing and growing number of civilians. Under Trump, the U.S. is re-escalating its war in Afghanistan, expanding its operations in Iraq and Syria, conducting covert raids in Somalia and Yemen, and openly facilitating the Saudi’s genocidal military destruction of Yemen.

A new book by the famed historian Alfred McCoy predicts that China is set to surpass the influence of the U.S. globally, both militarily and economically, by the year 2030. At that point, McCoy asserts the United States empire as we know it will be no more. He sees the Trump presidency as one of the clearest byproducts of the erosion of U.S. global dominance, but not its root cause. At the same time, he also believes Trump may accelerate the empire’s decline.
 Quoting: THE LATHE OF HEAVEN


Another person who should at least admit he filters reality through his political prism, through his leftism.

Just be honest and at least admit it.

I admit I filter my reality through the political prism of my conservatism/rightism.

In turn, I can tell McCoy resents both a strong US and a US that isn't subservient - in a liberal/leftwing way - to other societies of the left, particularly China.

Which is fine and all. If he at least admits that's what his political biases make him do.

His run-in with a power-hungry, unethical, unscrupulous intel community in the 1970s, and the way that part of the government has been dealing with Donald Trump decades later in its Spygate, causes McCoy to feel and say what?

I have a suspicion that he suddenly isn't quite as disgusted with an overbearing Deep-state government.


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This is one of the many problems with trumpers. They believe everyone views reality through right/left wing filters because that's how they themselves view things. It's not true, not everyone falls for the programming and propaganda. It's why you're in denial that many who voted for Trump are no longer on board.
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EVEN AS PRESIDENT DONALD Trump faces ever-intensifying investigations into the alleged connections between his top aides and family members and powerful Russian figures, he serves as commander in chief over a U.S. military that is killing an astonishing and growing number of civilians. Under Trump, the U.S. is re-escalating its war in Afghanistan, expanding its operations in Iraq and Syria, conducting covert raids in Somalia and Yemen, and openly facilitating the Saudi’s genocidal military destruction of Yemen.

A new book by the famed historian Alfred McCoy predicts that China is set to surpass the influence of the U.S. globally, both militarily and economically, by the year 2030. At that point, McCoy asserts the United States empire as we know it will be no more. He sees the Trump presidency as one of the clearest byproducts of the erosion of U.S. global dominance, but not its root cause. At the same time, he also believes Trump may accelerate the empire’s decline.
 Quoting: THE LATHE OF HEAVEN


Another person who should at least admit he filters reality through his political prism, through his leftism.

Just be honest and at least admit it.

I admit I filter my reality through the political prism of my conservatism/rightism.

In turn, I can tell McCoy resents both a strong US and a US that isn't subservient - in a liberal/leftwing way - to other societies of the left, particularly China.

Which is fine and all. If he at least admits that's what his political biases make him do.

His run-in with a power-hungry, unethical, unscrupulous intel community in the 1970s, and the way that part of the government has been dealing with Donald Trump decades later in its Spygate, causes McCoy to feel and say what?

I have a suspicion that he suddenly isn't quite as disgusted with an overbearing Deep-state government.


.
 Quoting: CSnow


This is one of the many problems with trumpers. They believe everyone views reality through right/left wing filters because that's how they themselves view things. It's not true, not everyone falls for the programming and propaganda. It's why you're in denial that many who voted for Trump are no longer on board.
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Lol. And the problem with anti-rumpers is that they tie it all into Trump and ignore the rot that has been going on for decades.

Wake up to yourself, Skippy.
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"Alfred McCoy: What I think right now is that, through some kind of malign design, Donald Trump has divined, has figured out what are the essential pillars of U.S. global power that have sustained Washington’s hegemony for the past 70 years and he seems to be setting out to demolish each one of those pillars one by one. He’s weakened the NATO alliance; he’s weakened our alliances with Asian allies along the Pacific littoral. He’s proposing to cut back on the scientific research which has given the United States — its military industrial complex — a cutting edge, a leading edge in critical new weapons systems since the early years of the Cold War. And he’s withdrawing the United States, almost willfully, from its international leadership, most spectacularly with the Paris Climate Accord but also very importantly with the Trans-Pacific Partnership."

EVEN AS PRESIDENT DONALD Trump faces ever-intensifying investigations into the alleged connections between his top aides and family members and powerful Russian figures, he serves as commander in chief over a U.S. military that is killing an astonishing and growing number of civilians. Under Trump, the U.S. is re-escalating its war in Afghanistan, expanding its operations in Iraq and Syria, conducting covert raids in Somalia and Yemen, and openly facilitating the Saudi’s genocidal military destruction of Yemen.

Meanwhile, China has quietly and rapidly expanded its influence without deploying its military on foreign soil.

A new book by the famed historian Alfred McCoy predicts that China is set to surpass the influence of the U.S. globally, both militarily and economically, by the year 2030. At that point, McCoy asserts the United States empire as we know it will be no more. He sees the Trump presidency as one of the clearest byproducts of the erosion of U.S. global dominance, but not its root cause. At the same time, he also believes Trump may accelerate the empire’s decline.

McCoy argues that the 2003 invasion of Iraq was the beginning of the end. McCoy is not some chicken little. He is a serious academic. And he has guts.

During the Vietnam War, McCoy was ambushed by CIA-backed paramilitaries as he investigated the swelling heroin trade. The CIA tried to stop the publication of his now classic book, “The Politics of Heroin.” His phone was tapped, he was audited by the IRS, and he was investigated and spied on by the FBI. McCoy also wrote one of the earliest and most prescient books on the post-9/11 CIA torture program and he is one of the world’s foremost experts on U.S. covert action. His new book, which will be released in September, is called “In the Shadows of the American Century: The Rise and Decline of U.S. Global Power.”

“The American Century, proclaimed so triumphantly at the start of World War II, may already be tattered and fading by 2025 and, except for the finger pointing, could be over by 2030,” McCoy writes. Imagining the real-life impact on the U.S. economy, McCoy offers a dark prediction:

For the majority of Americans, the 2020s will likely be remembered as a demoralizing decade of rising prices, stagnant wages, and fading international competitiveness. After years of swelling deficits fed by incessant warfare in distant lands, in 2030 the U.S. dollar eventually loses its special status as the world’s dominant reserve currency.

Suddenly, there are punitive price increases for American imports ranging from clothing to computers. And the costs for all overseas activity surges as well, making travel for both tourists and troops prohibitive. Unable to pay for swelling deficits by selling now-devalued Treasury notes abroad, Washington is finally forced to slash its bloated military budget. Under pressure at home and abroad, its forces begin to pull back from hundreds of overseas bases to a continental perimeter. Such a desperate move, however, comes too late.

Faced with a fading superpower incapable of paying its bills, China, India, Iran, Russia, and other powers provocatively challenge U.S. dominion over the oceans, space, and cyberspace.

Alfred McCoy is the Harrington professor of history at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. He is the author of the now-classic book “The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade.” His new book, out in September, is “In the Shadows of the American Century: The Rise and Decline of U.S. Global Power.”


I quote a small part heres link [link to theintercept.com (secure)]
 Quoting: THE LATHE OF HEAVEN


Don't blame #MAGA2020 for the follies of his forefathers
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A sobering read.
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If you're a liberal idiot who lives in a fantasy world of falsehood.
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no we wont fall, but will be attacked by the red dragon

who we beat in the end.
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You're already in free fall.

Trump is not a common man, one of the people, he's the "chosen one", King of Israel.. blah blah.. but just another Military industrial complex yes man who represents the US EMPIRE, ad he will fail just as Curchill failed, for exactly the same reasons.
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Churchill failed huh? Well he kicked your kraut asses.
Come on and take a free ride.
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no we wont fall, but will be attacked by the red dragon

who we beat in the end.
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Lol you can barely cripple small nations I'd like to see the US defeat China


I'm sure American families will be happy when the draft orders come because of Trump hubris

Fucking warmongers will get what they deserve
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"Alfred McCoy: What I think right now is that, through some kind of malign design, Donald Trump has divined, has figured out what are the essential pillars of U.S. global power that have sustained Washington’s hegemony for the past 70 years and he seems to be setting out to demolish each one of those pillars one by one. He’s weakened the NATO alliance; he’s weakened our alliances with Asian allies along the Pacific littoral. He’s proposing to cut back on the scientific research which has given the United States — its military industrial complex — a cutting edge, a leading edge in critical new weapons systems since the early years of the Cold War. And he’s withdrawing the United States, almost willfully, from its international leadership, most spectacularly with the Paris Climate Accord but also very importantly with the Trans-Pacific Partnership."

EVEN AS PRESIDENT DONALD Trump faces ever-intensifying investigations into the alleged connections between his top aides and family members and powerful Russian figures, he serves as commander in chief over a U.S. military that is killing an astonishing and growing number of civilians. Under Trump, the U.S. is re-escalating its war in Afghanistan, expanding its operations in Iraq and Syria, conducting covert raids in Somalia and Yemen, and openly facilitating the Saudi’s genocidal military destruction of Yemen.

Meanwhile, China has quietly and rapidly expanded its
influence without deploying its military on foreign soil.

A new book by the famed historian Alfred McCoy predicts that China is set to surpass the influence of the U.S. globally, both militarily and economically, by the year 2030. At that point, McCoy asserts the United States empire as we know it will be no more. He sees the Trump presidency as one of the clearest byproducts of the erosion of U.S. global dominance, but not its root cause. At the same time, he also believes Trump may accelerate the empire’s decline.

McCoy argues that the 2003 invasion of Iraq was the beginning of the end. McCoy is not some chicken little. He is a serious academic. And he has guts.

During the Vietnam War, McCoy was ambushed by CIA-backed paramilitaries as he investigated the swelling heroin trade. The CIA tried to stop the publication of his now classic book, “The Politics of Heroin.” His phone was tapped, he was audited by the IRS, and he was investigated and spied on by the FBI. McCoy also wrote one of the earliest and most prescient books on the post-9/11 CIA torture program and he is one of the world’s foremost experts on U.S. covert action. His new book, which will be released in September, is called “In the Shadows of the American Century: The Rise and Decline of U.S. Global Power.”

“The American Century, proclaimed so triumphantly at the start of World War II, may already be tattered and fading by 2025 and, except for the finger pointing, could be over by 2030,” McCoy writes. Imagining the real-life impact on the U.S. economy, McCoy offers a dark prediction:

For the majority of Americans, the 2020s will likely be remembered as a demoralizing decade of rising prices, stagnant wages, and fading international competitiveness. After years of swelling deficits fed by incessant warfare in distant lands, in 2030 the U.S. dollar eventually loses its special status as the world’s dominant reserve currency.

Suddenly, there are punitive price increases for American imports ranging from clothing to computers. And the costs for all overseas activity surges as well, making travel for both tourists and troops prohibitive. Unable to pay for swelling deficits by selling now-devalued Treasury notes abroad, Washington is finally forced to slash its bloated military budget. Under pressure at home and abroad, its forces begin to pull back from hundreds of overseas bases to a continental perimeter. Such a desperate move, however, comes too late.

Faced with a fading superpower incapable of paying its bills, China, India, Iran, Russia, and other powers provocatively challenge U.S. dominion over the oceans, space, and cyberspace.

Alfred McCoy is the Harrington professor of history at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. He is the author of the now-classic book “The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade.” His new book, out in September, is “In the Shadows of the American Century: The Rise and Decline of U.S. Global Power.”


I quote a small part heres link [link to theintercept.com (secure)]
 Quoting: THE LATHE OF HEAVEN


Yes, but so what, The United States of America has been blessed since birth, so I for one, donot expect any changes, as she comes stumbling out of puberty, falling on her pretty, litte face, quickly taking on the contour of an adult, as she
heals from her self-induced comeuppance. She is as a 21-year-old, forced into adulthood too soon from having lost a leg in the war, but who doesnot give one fk, because she has no intentions of doing any running! ! !
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Notice how they packed 70 years of uniparty fail into 2 years of Trump.

I absolutely hate bad propaganda. McCoy sure ain't the real thing no mo.
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Chuck Yeager is right about British People. They are nasty and arrogant.
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They can't help it. They have nothing; no control, just daily work and drudge. It's sad really.
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no we wont fall, but will be attacked by the red dragon

who we beat in the end.
 Quoting: Jake


Lol you can barely cripple small nations I'd like to see the US defeat China


I'm sure American families will be happy when the draft orders come because of Trump hubris

Fucking warmongers will get what they deserve
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China failed at landing a lunar explorer in 2014 which was 45 years after the USA landed men on the moon. Despite all their efforts, China is still at best a second-rate technological power.

European nations are more afflicted with hubris than the USA. Progressivism is hubris in action as they are attempts to contradict the laws of nature.

China is not stupid and simply wants to continue their advancements. Europe will simply be North Africa soon and will be a wasteland as China advances forward.
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no we wont fall, but will be attacked by the red dragon

who we beat in the end.
 Quoting: Jake


Lol you can barely cripple small nations I'd like to see the US defeat China


I'm sure American families will be happy when the draft orders come because of Trump hubris

Fucking warmongers will get what they deserve
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77708627


China failed at landing a lunar explorer in 2014 which was 45 years after the USA landed men on the moon. Despite all their efforts, China is still at best a second-rate technological power.

European nations are more afflicted with hubris than the USA. Progressivism is hubris in action as they are attempts to contradict the laws of nature.

China is not stupid and simply wants to continue their advancements. Europe will simply be North Africa soon and will be a wasteland as China advances forward.
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Vietnam and Afghanistan were nothing but isolated groups of dudes with AK-47 and America couldn't even defeat them fully.

You have no idea what it means to win a real war. You need human forces on the ground to control it. Technology alone doesn't win wars.

Lol if you even think America can defeat China.

At best you'll get a status quo, but neither America or China are able to defeat each others. They'll just throw soldiers in the meat grinder
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DONALD TRUMP AND THE COMING FALL OF AMERICAN EMPIRE

"Alfred McCoy: What I think right now is that, through some kind of malign design, Donald Trump has divined, has figured out what are the essential pillars of U.S. global power that have sustained Washington’s hegemony for the past 70 years and he seems to be setting out to demolish each one of those pillars one by one. He’s weakened the NATO alliance; he’s weakened our alliances with Asian allies along the Pacific littoral. He’s proposing to cut back on the scientific research which has given the United States — its military industrial complex — a cutting edge, a leading edge in critical new weapons systems since the early years of the Cold War. And he’s withdrawing the United States, almost willfully, from its international leadership, most spectacularly with the Paris Climate Accord but also very importantly with the Trans-Pacific Partnership."

EVEN AS PRESIDENT DONALD Trump faces ever-intensifying investigations into the alleged connections between his top aides and family members and powerful Russian figures, he serves as commander in chief over a U.S. military that is killing an astonishing and growing number of civilians. Under Trump, the U.S. is re-escalating its war in Afghanistan, expanding its operations in Iraq and Syria, conducting covert raids in Somalia and Yemen, and openly facilitating the Saudi’s genocidal military destruction of Yemen.

Meanwhile, China has quietly and rapidly expanded its influence without deploying its military on foreign soil.

A new book by the famed historian Alfred McCoy predicts that China is set to surpass the influence of the U.S. globally, both militarily and economically, by the year 2030. At that point, McCoy asserts the United States empire as we know it will be no more. He sees the Trump presidency as one of the clearest byproducts of the erosion of U.S. global dominance, but not its root cause. At the same time, he also believes Trump may accelerate the empire’s decline.

McCoy argues that the 2003 invasion of Iraq was the beginning of the end. McCoy is not some chicken little. He is a serious academic. And he has guts.

During the Vietnam War, McCoy was ambushed by CIA-backed paramilitaries as he investigated the swelling heroin trade. The CIA tried to stop the publication of his now classic book, “The Politics of Heroin.” His phone was tapped, he was audited by the IRS, and he was investigated and spied on by the FBI. McCoy also wrote one of the earliest and most prescient books on the post-9/11 CIA torture program and he is one of the world’s foremost experts on U.S. covert action. His new book, which will be released in September, is called “In the Shadows of the American Century: The Rise and Decline of U.S. Global Power.”

“The American Century, proclaimed so triumphantly at the start of World War II, may already be tattered and fading by 2025 and, except for the finger pointing, could be over by 2030,” McCoy writes. Imagining the real-life impact on the U.S. economy, McCoy offers a dark prediction:

For the majority of Americans, the 2020s will likely be remembered as a demoralizing decade of rising prices, stagnant wages, and fading international competitiveness. After years of swelling deficits fed by incessant warfare in distant lands, in 2030 the U.S. dollar eventually loses its special status as the world’s dominant reserve currency.

Suddenly, there are punitive price increases for American imports ranging from clothing to computers. And the costs for all overseas activity surges as well, making travel for both tourists and troops prohibitive. Unable to pay for swelling deficits by selling now-devalued Treasury notes abroad, Washington is finally forced to slash its bloated military budget. Under pressure at home and abroad, its forces begin to pull back from hundreds of overseas bases to a continental perimeter. Such a desperate move, however, comes too late.

Faced with a fading superpower incapable of paying its bills, China, India, Iran, Russia, and other powers provocatively challenge U.S. dominion over the oceans, space, and cyberspace.

Alfred McCoy is the Harrington professor of history at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. He is the author of the now-classic book “The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade.” His new book, out in September, is “In the Shadows of the American Century: The Rise and Decline of U.S. Global Power.”


I quote a small part heres link [link to theintercept.com (secure)]
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Mostly accurate.

China is now the Manufacturing POWERHOUSE of the world, the position the US held going into WW2.

China is working hard to position itself as the Scientific Research Center of the world also, and are making great strides in that area though still behind the US. China is now outspending the US in basic scientific research almost 4 to 1!!! (and some reports claim it is closer to 8 to 1). If you look at the new papers of scientific discoveries coming out you will find that virtually all of them have a Chinese Phd's name as one of the discoverer's on it. China WILL surpass the US in the scientific research arena sometime in the next 20 years, possibly in just the next 10 in most areas except things like CERN and Outer Space relate fields.

China's GDP is now at least equal to the US's but with
a LOT LESS social welfare programs to pay for, which means that they have the monetary resources to devote to finishing up their Infrastructure build out, fund a HUGE Military Expansion, and also fund their Science Research program.

China is NOT over committed with it's military all over the world which gives it an ability to CONCENTRATE what power it has, and is developing, into an exceptionally strong localized force. This bodes ill for the US in the areas that are close to China since by about 2025-2027 they will have localized military superiority in their near China region.

By 2050 China's economy will probably be about 3 times the size of the US economy since they are moving from an export based economy to a consumption based economy they do not have to grow their exports by much to be able to obtain that.

Once China's economy is 3x that of the US's then they can easily fund their military to bigger and better equipped forces than the US. With a "command" economy AND their low social welfare program requirements that will make it even easier for the China to quickly grow it's military to a much more powerful force than the US's, assuming they make that a national goal (which it appears they re in the process of doing - 2 self built aircraft carriers already with 3 more already under construction in the yards that are to be delivered and in service by 2025).

A country can't remain #1 in the world when it's main competitor has LOWER COSTS (much less social welfare to pay for) AND has an economy that is 3x to 4x bigger.

Of course China could go "off the rails" and it's economic development suddenly cease ... but there is nothing in the wings that indicates that is even a remote potential.

China now internally produces MORE motor vehicles than the US does internally.

China produces about 700 million tons of steel per year (that is AFTER they shut down 100 million tons of production too) ... the US only about 80 million tons.

The items go on and on and on. If a person actually pays attention the manufacturing statistics the US is already a DISTANT 2nd rate power, quickly approaching a 3rd rate power.

People can RAH RAH USA USA USA all they want ... but that doesn't change the actual dynamics of what is happening in the real world

(just as long time Texans here keep shouting about Texas being the last "free" place for Whites in the US, while ignoring the fact that minorities now make up the majority of grade school students in school and Mex-American students outnumber Whites in grade school in most Texas cities)
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Notice how they packed 70 years of uniparty fail into 2 years of Trump.

I absolutely hate bad propaganda. McCoy sure ain't the real thing no mo.
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Trump is taking credit for MAGA, so he must take credit for his BS as well.
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no we wont fall, but will be attacked by the red dragon

who we beat in the end.
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lol, I visited US in 2033. it's a desolate dying camp just because of the fall of the Petrodollar scam.

once you are on your own, not leaching to death billions of people around the world with the petrodollar you will face that anerica never been great and never will.
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Chuck Yeager is right about British People. They are nasty and arrogant.
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Sorry if i came across that way. I am (nearly) as concerned as you are.
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Then read others who have a bit more positive outlook. Brits once ruled the sea. of course other countries have come forward and all along Europe has weakened. You understand the globalist want this.Trump remarked to the european leaders to protect their own citizens. He is not at least very much one of the globalist
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Donald Trump is the Man.

If America falls, it is due to Liberal Policy, NOT Conservative Realism.

/end of debate.





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