Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice. | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61629722 United States 10/03/2019 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you sound like a foul mouthed keyboard warrior soyboy pussy No soy, very bad, mimics estrogen and makes you say stupid things like ... "pretty soon they will be saying cigarettes are good for you (they are not)" it was sarcasm dick breath. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States 10/03/2019 12:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No soy, very bad, mimics estrogen and makes you say stupid things like ... "pretty soon they will be saying cigarettes are good for you (they are not)" it was sarcasm dick breath. It was obvious shilling and you just can't let it go. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States 10/03/2019 12:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Red meat never was the problem. It's all the additives they inject into it during processing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76331654 Kill your own game and eat the fresh unprocessed meat. You will be healthier. Grass fed is much better than grain. Just buy from a local farmer that does it right. Nothing wrong with your way either. |
Deplorable NO MORE Michele B
User ID: 6182940 United States 10/03/2019 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | of course it was! Quoting: beeches humans evolved to eat meat, the only thing available to prehistoric man year-round. berries in season, nuts in season to be gathered.... eggs when birds were nesting... only meat is available year-round. glad to see this thread grains were the LAST food humans consumed - they had to be cultivated I feel so much better after deer hunting season, more energy and better mood with red meat. I will not debate this, but (I think some bible teachings suggest people did not eat meat until after the flood) Yes, our pastor taught this. No sense debating it, since it's only a subject for discussion, and NO real impact on our lives, anyway.... Paul said in Corinthians that - now - ALL THINGS are good for our consumption, and nothing is considered sinful. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76799292 United States 10/03/2019 12:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It does give a feeling, many amino acids do (NAC, L-Tyrosine). People are going to be depressed if they aren't supplementing amino acids and certain vitamins when abstaining from meat. Yes, meat gets you "high." |
beeches
User ID: 77354011 United States 10/03/2019 12:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What has never changed is each person must make the effort to engage in a balanced, OMNIVOROUS diet to achieve all 23 amino acids in their proper proportions. Quoting: tkwasny Nobody ever implied to go off the deep end and go vegan or Keto, fasting or gorging. Common sense is just gone nowadayz. It did change, sadly, with the realization that gluten in wheat has become a problem. modern wheat has the same name as older varieties, but the gluten content has been manipulated through the roof, with many other changes to make wheat more profitable. so eating barley rye oats or wheat (all gluten foods) is no longer healthy. it is a shame what has become of our food. Grains are the newest addition to the human diet.... go back to nuts meats eggs fruits! It's only "enriched" grains and flours. I can eat whole wheat and Im good, eat any form of "enriched bleached" or any of that type of wheat I get stomach cramps and diarrhea. totally wrong Gluten is not added as an enrichment, modern wheat is bred to have more of it, as well as drastically shorter stalks. Whole wheat has other additional issues - sorry to burst your bubble - like Roundup in the outer part of the kernel. so enjoy your dash of Roundup with each bite. Wheat is drenched with Roundup just prior to harvest - the practice is called dessicating the crop. if you are not a horse, don't eat gluten foods... Last Edited by beeches on 10/03/2019 01:00 PM Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30847375 United States 10/03/2019 01:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | of course it was! Quoting: beeches humans evolved to eat meat, the only thing available to prehistoric man year-round. berries in season, nuts in season to be gathered.... eggs when birds were nesting... only meat is available year-round. glad to see this thread grains were the LAST food humans consumed - they had to be cultivated Oh nooooooo! The truth! It burns! Help, I'm meeeeeeEEEEEEEEEeeeeellltingggggg. *gack* |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States 10/03/2019 01:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What has never changed is each person must make the effort to engage in a balanced, OMNIVOROUS diet to achieve all 23 amino acids in their proper proportions. Quoting: tkwasny Nobody ever implied to go off the deep end and go vegan or Keto, fasting or gorging. Common sense is just gone nowadayz. It did change, sadly, with the realization that gluten in wheat has become a problem. modern wheat has the same name as older varieties, but the gluten content has been manipulated through the roof, with many other changes to make wheat more profitable. so eating barley rye oats or wheat (all gluten foods) is no longer healthy. it is a shame what has become of our food. Grains are the newest addition to the human diet.... go back to nuts meats eggs fruits! It's only "enriched" grains and flours. I can eat whole wheat and Im good, eat any form of "enriched bleached" or any of that type of wheat I get stomach cramps and diarrhea. totally wrong Gluten is not added as an enrichment, modern wheat is bred to have more of it, as well as drastically shorter stalks. Whole wheat has other additional issues - sorry to burst your bubble - like Roundup in the outer part of the kernel. so enjoy your dash of Roundup with each bite. Wheat is drenched with Roundup just prior to harvest - the practice is called dessicating the crop. :farmhay: Yep. The wheat we eat now, 1970s on, is fundamentally not the same wheat our grandparents grew up eating. Rockefeller was instrumental in changing that. |
beeches
User ID: 77354011 United States 10/03/2019 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | of course it was! Quoting: beeches humans evolved to eat meat, the only thing available to prehistoric man year-round. berries in season, nuts in season to be gathered.... eggs when birds were nesting... only meat is available year-round. glad to see this thread grains were the LAST food humans consumed - they had to be cultivated Oh nooooooo! The truth! It burns! Help, I'm meeeeeeEEEEEEEEEeeeeellltingggggg. *gack* yeah, lotta vegans not gonna like this! Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78050994 Germany 10/03/2019 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | of course it was! Quoting: beeches humans evolved to eat meat, the only thing available to prehistoric man year-round. berries in season, nuts in season to be gathered.... eggs when birds were nesting... only meat is available year-round. glad to see this thread grains were the LAST food humans consumed - they had to be cultivated Right... those harsh african winters were only survivable with one freshly frozen mammoth for each family. |
beeches
User ID: 77354011 United States 10/03/2019 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: beeches It did change, sadly, with the realization that gluten in wheat has become a problem. modern wheat has the same name as older varieties, but the gluten content has been manipulated through the roof, with many other changes to make wheat more profitable. so eating barley rye oats or wheat (all gluten foods) is no longer healthy. it is a shame what has become of our food. Grains are the newest addition to the human diet.... go back to nuts meats eggs fruits! It's only "enriched" grains and flours. I can eat whole wheat and Im good, eat any form of "enriched bleached" or any of that type of wheat I get stomach cramps and diarrhea. totally wrong Gluten is not added as an enrichment, modern wheat is bred to have more of it, as well as drastically shorter stalks. Whole wheat has other additional issues - sorry to burst your bubble - like Roundup in the outer part of the kernel. so enjoy your dash of Roundup with each bite. Wheat is drenched with Roundup just prior to harvest - the practice is called dessicating the crop. Yep. The wheat we eat now, 1970s on, is fundamentally not the same wheat our grandparents grew up eating. Rockefeller was instrumental in changing that. I hate that other Rockefeller gift, The Flexner Report. did away with the funding and teaching of traditional medical practices in American universities. replaced with Phama - those companies also funded by the Rockefellers Last Edited by beeches on 10/03/2019 01:03 PM Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
VisionSpeak
User ID: 76161007 United States 10/03/2019 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What has never changed is each person must make the effort to engage in a balanced, OMNIVOROUS diet to achieve all 23 amino acids in their proper proportions. Quoting: tkwasny Nobody ever implied to go off the deep end and go vegan or Keto, fasting or gorging. Common sense is just gone nowadayz. It did change, sadly, with the realization that gluten in wheat has become a problem. modern wheat has the same name as older varieties, but the gluten content has been manipulated through the roof, with many other changes to make wheat more profitable. so eating barley rye oats or wheat (all gluten foods) is no longer healthy. it is a shame what has become of our food. Grains are the newest addition to the human diet.... go back to nuts meats eggs fruits! Or... order your pasta varities from Hungary, Italy. No GMO there, or Round Up on wheat. Last Edited by VisionSpeak on 10/03/2019 01:05 PM VisionSpeak |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States 10/03/2019 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | of course it was! Quoting: beeches humans evolved to eat meat, the only thing available to prehistoric man year-round. berries in season, nuts in season to be gathered.... eggs when birds were nesting... only meat is available year-round. glad to see this thread grains were the LAST food humans consumed - they had to be cultivated Right... those harsh african winters were only survivable with one freshly frozen mammoth for each family. Does it hurt when you try to think? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60044555 United States 10/03/2019 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Love the criticisms from the veggie / vegans and the American Heart Association. Yeah, well that's what happens when you use "science" to push an agenda to try to drive social change... When new science contradicts your old science you based your whole worldview on... you have to retaliate, dismiss, call fake because your world falls apart. Quoting: The Årtist [link to www.nytimes.com (secure)] 'Some'? -you mean the cattle/slaughter industry? The NYT's!? LMFAO |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States 10/03/2019 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I hate that other Rockefeller gift, Quoting: beeches The Flexner Report. did away with the funding and teaching of traditional medical practices in American universities. replaced with Phama - those companies also funded by the Rockefellers All true. People have no idea how evil healthcare and big Agra have become. Profiting off the slow motion murder of Americans. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77312441 United States 10/03/2019 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Cant read the nyt but i did read about this story from 2 other outlets. and doing so proved how ubiquitous fake news is. just holy moley shit. the agenda pushing and fake news of the left is unreal. The WSJ opinion piece on this red meat story is factual, informative and not misleading. While the USAToday hard news story tries to discredit the study with commentary from leftist organization spokespeople. Read the 2 stories for yourself. This fake news published by the left is just unreal. [link to news.yahoo.com (secure)] [link to www.wsj.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77694560 United States 10/03/2019 01:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So many people on this thread do not understand nutritional science even remotely and are chiming in like experts. We’ve known for decades how animal products are completely unnecessary and have innumerable health consequences to consuming them for humans and the planet. Soy doesn’t mimic estrogen , phytoestrogens like in plants are not usable hormones by the human body . There is literally no risk from consuming soy besides increased health due to antioxidants and other beneficial photochemicals. If people understood how to research existing peer reviewed medical literature there wouldn’t be so many erroneous claims in this thread. Plant based, more specifically a whole food vegan diet is unquestionably the healthiest way to live . Zero room for debate anymore . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States 10/03/2019 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So many people on this thread do not understand nutritional science even remotely and are chiming in like experts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77694560 We’ve known for decades how animal products are completely unnecessary and have innumerable health consequences to consuming them for humans and the planet. Soy doesn’t mimic estrogen , phytoestrogens like in plants are not usable hormones by the human body . There is literally no risk from consuming soy besides increased health due to antioxidants and other beneficial photochemicals. If people understood how to research existing peer reviewed medical literature there wouldn’t be so many erroneous claims in this thread. Plant based, more specifically a whole food vegan diet is unquestionably the healthiest way to live . Zero room for debate anymore . Go back to webmd shill ... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77694560 United States 10/03/2019 01:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So many people on this thread do not understand nutritional science even remotely and are chiming in like experts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77694560 We’ve known for decades how animal products are completely unnecessary and have innumerable health consequences to consuming them for humans and the planet. Soy doesn’t mimic estrogen , phytoestrogens like in plants are not usable hormones by the human body . There is literally no risk from consuming soy besides increased health due to antioxidants and other beneficial photochemicals. If people understood how to research existing peer reviewed medical literature there wouldn’t be so many erroneous claims in this thread. Plant based, more specifically a whole food vegan diet is unquestionably the healthiest way to live . Zero room for debate anymore . Go back to webmd shill ... Sorry you aren’t smart enough to debate me . |
beeches
User ID: 77354011 United States 10/03/2019 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | of course it was! Quoting: beeches humans evolved to eat meat, the only thing available to prehistoric man year-round. berries in season, nuts in season to be gathered.... eggs when birds were nesting... only meat is available year-round. glad to see this thread grains were the LAST food humans consumed - they had to be cultivated Right... those harsh african winters were only survivable with one freshly frozen mammoth for each family. prehistoric Americans had wooly mammoths in their freezer! you don't watch The Flintstones in Germany? schade, schade Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States 10/03/2019 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So many people on this thread do not understand nutritional science even remotely and are chiming in like experts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77694560 We’ve known for decades how animal products are completely unnecessary and have innumerable health consequences to consuming them for humans and the planet. Soy doesn’t mimic estrogen , phytoestrogens like in plants are not usable hormones by the human body . There is literally no risk from consuming soy besides increased health due to antioxidants and other beneficial photochemicals. If people understood how to research existing peer reviewed medical literature there wouldn’t be so many erroneous claims in this thread. Plant based, more specifically a whole food vegan diet is unquestionably the healthiest way to live . Zero room for debate anymore . Go back to webmd shill ... Sorry you aren’t smart enough to debate me . People are done with your agenda driven "science", we see through the lies you peddle. You can thank your democrat colleagues for that. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61629722 United States 10/03/2019 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No soy, very bad, mimics estrogen and makes you say stupid things like ... "pretty soon they will be saying cigarettes are good for you (they are not)" it was sarcasm dick breath. It was obvious shilling and you just can't let it go. shilling for what? You MUST be a liberal..too fucking stupid to be a conservative |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77694560 United States 10/03/2019 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So many people on this thread do not understand nutritional science even remotely and are chiming in like experts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77694560 We’ve known for decades how animal products are completely unnecessary and have innumerable health consequences to consuming them for humans and the planet. Soy doesn’t mimic estrogen , phytoestrogens like in plants are not usable hormones by the human body . There is literally no risk from consuming soy besides increased health due to antioxidants and other beneficial photochemicals. If people understood how to research existing peer reviewed medical literature there wouldn’t be so many erroneous claims in this thread. Plant based, more specifically a whole food vegan diet is unquestionably the healthiest way to live . Zero room for debate anymore . Go back to webmd shill ... Sorry you aren’t smart enough to debate me . People are done with your agenda driven "science", we see through the lies you peddle. You can thank your democrat colleagues for that. I’m a Trump supporting , gun toting, business owning American who also happens to be vegan and an endurance athlete . You are attaching politics to a topic that has no relevance . You did this because you simply aren’t smart enough to debate me . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States 10/03/2019 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People are done with your agenda driven "science", we see through the lies you peddle. You can thank your democrat colleagues for that. I’m a Trump supporting , gun toting, business owning American who also happens to be vegan and an endurance athlete . You are attaching politics to a topic that has no relevance . You did this because you simply aren’t smart enough to debate me . No i did this because everyone is corrupt including so called scientist at the FDA. And because democrats don't want you to eat meat. Not because they care about you, please don't make us laugh, but because they want you un healthy. I was a Vegan for 2 year age 28-30. Meat is way better. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64804934 United States 10/03/2019 01:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So many people on this thread do not understand nutritional science even remotely and are chiming in like experts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77694560 We’ve known for decades how animal products are completely unnecessary and have innumerable health consequences to consuming them for humans and the planet. Soy doesn’t mimic estrogen , phytoestrogens like in plants are not usable hormones by the human body . There is literally no risk from consuming soy besides increased health due to antioxidants and other beneficial photochemicals. If people understood how to research existing peer reviewed medical literature there wouldn’t be so many erroneous claims in this thread. Plant based, more specifically a whole food vegan diet is unquestionably the healthiest way to live . Zero room for debate anymore . Go back to webmd shill ... I know what my own body tells me. If I eat flour or soy products, my gut cramps up, I get severe diarrhea, my brain feels foggy, I start itching all over and if I fall back into a diet of it, I get bad cases of candida and rashes that last for weeks. The ONLY thing that helped heal my body was going on a mostly carnivore diet with some dairy, nuts and a selection of green vegetables (I try to avoid gaseous vegetables as they irritate my stomach as well) What i've always found insulting is people who act like those of us who eat gluten-free are delusional or making it up, it took me 30 years of misery in my life to finally realize it was what I was eating for why I was so sick all the time. If eating mostly meat cuts my lifespan by 10 years it will have been worth it because I just FEEL better on a daily basis and no extended life is worth having to live like I did before. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77694560 United States 10/03/2019 01:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People are done with your agenda driven "science", we see through the lies you peddle. You can thank your democrat colleagues for that. I’m a Trump supporting , gun toting, business owning American who also happens to be vegan and an endurance athlete . You are attaching politics to a topic that has no relevance . You did this because you simply aren’t smart enough to debate me . No i did this because everyone is corrupt including so called scientist at the FDA. And because democrats don't want you to eat meat. Not because they care about you, please don't make us laugh, but because they want you un healthy. I was a Vegan for 2 year age 28-30. Meat is way better. You don’t need politically driven medical establishments or regulatory bodies to study peer reviewed medical literature . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States 10/03/2019 01:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So many people on this thread do not understand nutritional science even remotely and are chiming in like experts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77694560 We’ve known for decades how animal products are completely unnecessary and have innumerable health consequences to consuming them for humans and the planet. Soy doesn’t mimic estrogen , phytoestrogens like in plants are not usable hormones by the human body . There is literally no risk from consuming soy besides increased health due to antioxidants and other beneficial photochemicals. If people understood how to research existing peer reviewed medical literature there wouldn’t be so many erroneous claims in this thread. Plant based, more specifically a whole food vegan diet is unquestionably the healthiest way to live . Zero room for debate anymore . Go back to webmd shill ... I know what my own body tells me. If I eat flour or soy products, my gut cramps up, I get severe diarrhea, my brain feels foggy, I start itching all over and if I fall back into a diet of it, I get bad cases of candida and rashes that last for weeks. The ONLY thing that helped heal my body was going on a mostly carnivore diet with some dairy, nuts and a selection of green vegetables (I try to avoid gaseous vegetables as they irritate my stomach as well) What i've always found insulting is people who act like those of us who eat gluten-free are delusional or making it up, it took me 30 years of misery in my life to finally realize it was what I was eating for why I was so sick all the time. If eating mostly meat cuts my lifespan by 10 years it will have been worth it because I just FEEL better on a daily basis and no extended life is worth having to live like I did before. Me too. These asshats are like food Nazis. They literally want to dictate what we eat. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77694560 United States 10/03/2019 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So many people on this thread do not understand nutritional science even remotely and are chiming in like experts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77694560 We’ve known for decades how animal products are completely unnecessary and have innumerable health consequences to consuming them for humans and the planet. Soy doesn’t mimic estrogen , phytoestrogens like in plants are not usable hormones by the human body . There is literally no risk from consuming soy besides increased health due to antioxidants and other beneficial photochemicals. If people understood how to research existing peer reviewed medical literature there wouldn’t be so many erroneous claims in this thread. Plant based, more specifically a whole food vegan diet is unquestionably the healthiest way to live . Zero room for debate anymore . Go back to webmd shill ... I know what my own body tells me. If I eat flour or soy products, my gut cramps up, I get severe diarrhea, my brain feels foggy, I start itching all over and if I fall back into a diet of it, I get bad cases of candida and rashes that last for weeks. The ONLY thing that helped heal my body was going on a mostly carnivore diet with some dairy, nuts and a selection of green vegetables (I try to avoid gaseous vegetables as they irritate my stomach as well) What i've always found insulting is people who act like those of us who eat gluten-free are delusional or making it up, it took me 30 years of misery in my life to finally realize it was what I was eating for why I was so sick all the time. If eating mostly meat cuts my lifespan by 10 years it will have been worth it because I just FEEL better on a daily basis and no extended life is worth having to live like I did before. I respect you wanting to feel good in your own skin but the facts are you have candida and fungus overgrowth in general due to insulin resistance and too much intramyocellular lipid accumulation . Animal fat causes insulin resistance in humans which made you need to go Keto or low carb to resolve your symptoms ; the problem is this isn’t the way to true health in your arteries, and your way of eating actually causes type 2 diabetes due to insulin resistance . Candida is a bloom of beneficial fungus that is saving you from the deleterious effects of prolonged high blood sugar . You are simply masking the symptoms with your diet , not curing them . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States 10/03/2019 01:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77331063 People are done with your agenda driven "science", we see through the lies you peddle. You can thank your democrat colleagues for that. I’m a Trump supporting , gun toting, business owning American who also happens to be vegan and an endurance athlete . You are attaching politics to a topic that has no relevance . You did this because you simply aren’t smart enough to debate me . No i did this because everyone is corrupt including so called scientist at the FDA. And because democrats don't want you to eat meat. Not because they care about you, please don't make us laugh, but because they want you un healthy. I was a Vegan for 2 year age 28-30. Meat is way better. You don’t need politically driven medical establishments or regulatory bodies to study peer reviewed medical literature . study peer reviewed medical literature please these so called institutions and journals are full OF PAID WHORES! Corrupt, greedy, evil WHORES! |