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Free Will and those that don't have it - NPCs

 
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Those that do not believe in Free Will might just actually not have it because they cannot fathom how it could exist so therefore they are operating on a series of cause and effect and don't realize there is no reason for cause and effect to exist in the first place.

The weird part is they seem hellbent on trying to convince autonomous free willed beings that they are not what they obviously see they are.

They try to turn free willed people into NPCs. In essence they are trying to kill their souls.. very interesting indeed.
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Serious question, has their mind been stripped of the ability to reason and problem solve? They almost act like robots who have been programmed and never go off script..
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Bye. This is not the topic. I'm out.
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I dont blame ya.. seems folks like that cant help themselves. (NPC?)

jump in critical thinking threads with out a thought of their own.
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List the critical thinking which allows you to have free-will and I will calmly explain in detail how foolish you are step-by-step.


I am waiting.
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It doesnt seem to me that that would be an effective use of my time?

for at least a couple of reasons, one being that apparently you have on AC con fused with some other.

another being that you seem to have a knowitall, demanding attitude (BTDT)

hopefully you will enjoy the wait.
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lol classic dodge.
I won't wait more than a minute or two, as in my experience, people who don't want to know they are wrong find any and every way to avoid being told the details of their faults.
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"will" incur ^^^

Typo correction
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unauthorized correction at that ;-)
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What if someone drugged and hypnotized you such that you fully believed the meat grinder was your wife’s vagina? Would you still be responsible for the consequences?
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DAAAAAAMMMN!

harsh, but effective way to make a point.
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I can see how some of the devout might respond, “that would never happen to me because my faith is too great, God would not allow it! Jesus would protect me!” Maybe. But what if you’re wrong? I am beyond certain that many millions of faithful, good people have suffered through no choice of their own.

Why would God test some harsher than others? The Hindu karma thing makes more sense than the Bible thumpers, if we have to resort to faith at all.
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Im never beyond certain and what I think is always subject to change.

one of the toughest questions I (often) ask myself is "what makes me so sure"

read that question a few times, its not immediately apparent what it is asking sometimes.

but I am interested in how you might be able to be 'beyond certain' about that in particular?
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You’d argue that every victim of crime or circumstance suffers at their own hand?
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I dont blame ya.. seems folks like that cant help themselves. (NPC?)

jump in critical thinking threads with out a thought of their own.
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List the critical thinking which allows you to have free-will and I will calmly explain in detail how foolish you are step-by-step.


I am waiting.
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It doesnt seem to me that that would be an effective use of my time?

for at least a couple of reasons, one being that apparently you have on AC con fused with some other.

another being that you seem to have a knowitall, demanding attitude (BTDT)

hopefully you will enjoy the wait.
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lol classic dodge.
I won't wait more than a minute or two, as in my experience, people who don't want to know they are wrong find any and every way to avoid being told the details of their faults.
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BTDT, I had knowitallitus for the longest. I truly wish you well form such dis ease.
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What if someone drugged and hypnotized you such that you fully believed the meat grinder was your wife’s vagina? Would you still be responsible for the consequences?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77999315


DAAAAAAMMMN!

harsh, but effective way to make a point.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71169035


I can see how some of the devout might respond, “that would never happen to me because my faith is too great, God would not allow it! Jesus would protect me!” Maybe. But what if you’re wrong? I am beyond certain that many millions of faithful, good people have suffered through no choice of their own.

Why would God test some harsher than others? The Hindu karma thing makes more sense than the Bible thumpers, if we have to resort to faith at all.
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Another one ^^^, using his free will to reject faith and the kingdom of God.

Gotta love though, how these lost deluded souls always refer to people who tell them the truth, as "thumpers".

I've never "thumped" a bible in my life.

People who don't believe the truth are highly threatened by the truth.

To them, the gospel is horrible news.



"Without faith, it is impossible to please God" Hebrews 11:6

"God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble."
1st peter 5:5
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"will" incur ^^^

Typo correction
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unauthorized correction at that ;-)
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I wasn't aware I needed authorization. But thanks for the heads up.
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Those that do not believe in Free Will might just actually not have it because they cannot fathom how it could exist so therefore they are operating on a series of cause and effect and don't realize there is no reason for cause and effect to exist in the first place.

The weird part is they seem hellbent on trying to convince autonomous free willed beings that they are not what they obviously see they are.

They try to turn free willed people into NPCs. In essence they are trying to kill their souls.. very interesting indeed.
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People with severe mental illnesses have limited free will.
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List the critical thinking which allows you to have free-will and I will calmly explain in detail how foolish you are step-by-step.


I am waiting.
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It doesnt seem to me that that would be an effective use of my time?

for at least a couple of reasons, one being that apparently you have on AC con fused with some other.

another being that you seem to have a knowitall, demanding attitude (BTDT)

hopefully you will enjoy the wait.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71169035


lol classic dodge.
I won't wait more than a minute or two, as in my experience, people who don't want to know they are wrong find any and every way to avoid being told the details of their faults.
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BTDT, I had knowitallitus for the longest. I truly wish you well form such dis ease.
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Nope, I am very ignorant, as are you. Too much knowledge, but I understand the corner stone of the personalities of most people and how they formed because I have studied it.

Now, state the logic behind free-will. I almost guarantee it is not an absolute statement, but a series of questions you don't have a solid answer to. But, I could be wrong.
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DAAAAAAMMMN!

harsh, but effective way to make a point.
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I can see how some of the devout might respond, “that would never happen to me because my faith is too great, God would not allow it! Jesus would protect me!” Maybe. But what if you’re wrong? I am beyond certain that many millions of faithful, good people have suffered through no choice of their own.

Why would God test some harsher than others? The Hindu karma thing makes more sense than the Bible thumpers, if we have to resort to faith at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77999315


Im never beyond certain and what I think is always subject to change.

one of the toughest questions I (often) ask myself is "what makes me so sure"

read that question a few times, its not immediately apparent what it is asking sometimes.

but I am interested in how you might be able to be 'beyond certain' about that in particular?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71169035


You’d argue that every victim of crime or circumstance suffers at their own hand?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77999315


not even if I was paid! and Im not a christain or thumper but do find wisdom in that book too.

for instance this comes to mind:


Proverbs 11:15

"He that is surety for a stranger shall smart for it: and he that hateth suretiship is sure."

but the words mean different things to different people, just like the question I mentioned before that I ask myself sometimes.

"what 'makes' me so sure"
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DAAAAAAMMMN!

harsh, but effective way to make a point.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71169035


I can see how some of the devout might respond, “that would never happen to me because my faith is too great, God would not allow it! Jesus would protect me!” Maybe. But what if you’re wrong? I am beyond certain that many millions of faithful, good people have suffered through no choice of their own.

Why would God test some harsher than others? The Hindu karma thing makes more sense than the Bible thumpers, if we have to resort to faith at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77999315



Another one ^^^, using his free will to reject faith and the kingdom of God.

Gotta love though, how these lost deluded souls always refer to people who tell them the truth, as "thumpers".

I've never "thumped" a bible in my life.

People who don't believe the truth are highly threatened by the truth.

To them, the gospel is horrible news.



"Without faith, it is impossible to please God" Hebrews 11:6

"God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble."
1st peter 5:5
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Not free will. He was designed to say that and you have no right, by God's law, to know whether or not or say whether or not this man/women will repent and be saved. And that is partially how we know free-will does not exist outside the Torah.
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NPCs are basically philosophical zombies however, nothing is that simple. see what you think of this guys take on NPC:


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I don't think this dude is using the terms right. If life is a simulated game like he's talking about then players can't be different levels of NPCs because by definition NPCs aren't playable characters.
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Some have souls.
Some will earn souls.
Some are soulless.

HINT: The soulless get the soul earners to oppress the souls.

You also have Angels but thats another story.

Regards,
AB
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Free will not to follow the herd into a pit.
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"will" incur ^^^

Typo correction
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unauthorized correction at that ;-)
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I wasn't aware I needed authorization. But thanks for the heads up.
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yw! when one man authors words, he is authorized to correct them but when one who did not authorize those words corrects them without permission, thats unauthorized ;-)
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NPCs are basically philosophical zombies however, nothing is that simple. see what you think of this guys take on NPC:


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I don't think this dude is using the terms right. If life is a simulated game like he's talking about then players can't be different levels of NPCs because by definition NPCs aren't playable characters.
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his terms.. who am I to correct them (without prior agreement of definition)

I do not subscribe to quantum anything, its BS but I aslo do not throw out babys with bath water (on purpose anyway) but I get his point with the NPC levels
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DAAAAAAMMMN!

harsh, but effective way to make a point.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71169035


I can see how some of the devout might respond, “that would never happen to me because my faith is too great, God would not allow it! Jesus would protect me!” Maybe. But what if you’re wrong? I am beyond certain that many millions of faithful, good people have suffered through no choice of their own.

Why would God test some harsher than others? The Hindu karma thing makes more sense than the Bible thumpers, if we have to resort to faith at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77999315



Another one ^^^, using his free will to reject faith and the kingdom of God.

Gotta love though, how these lost deluded souls always refer to people who tell them the truth, as "thumpers".

I've never "thumped" a bible in my life.

People who don't believe the truth are highly threatened by the truth.

To them, the gospel is horrible news.



"Without faith, it is impossible to please God" Hebrews 11:6

"God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble."
1st peter 5:5
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What makes you choose your particular faith over any other?
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Prideful idiots who cannot perceive 10 feet in front of their own face because of their own blindness believe they have free-will.



If you had a will that was free of God's knowledge and power then you yourself would be a god, capable of creation.

Turns out, you're not a god. You do not have the ability to create or destroy, but only modify what was here before you were born. Never in the history of man or angels has any being created by God ever created or destroyed.


Every moment of every day and every emotion of piece of knowledge you have ever gain was because Yahweh designed you before you were born. Meaning you don't have a will that is free of the confines of his creativity of definitions.



The very fact that you were born in the way that every other human was born is first and main testimony that you are not in control. He chose your eyes by way of gene combination and expression which he made before you were born.
He chose your skin color.
He chose your parents or lack thereof.
He chose your country.
He gave your soul(flesh) breathe and made you living.
He chose your first language.
He chose your body type.
He chose your sex.
He chose your career path or lack thereof.
He chose to love or hate you and your destiny therein.

And all of these things have led up to this moment of you prideful idiots believing that you have free-will apart from his design. Blind people....how can you now see how truly weak you are?!
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Maybe so, but the most important choice He made "before the founding of the world" is that you would have free will.
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NPCs are basically philosophical zombies however, nothing is that simple. see what you think of this guys take on NPC:


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This explains a lot, thank you
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This book should be required reading for this thread: [link to wn.rsarchive.org (secure)]
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Nope, I am very ignorant, as are you. Too much knowledge, but I understand the corner stone of the personalities of most people and how they formed because I have studied it.

Now, state the logic behind free-will. I almost guarantee it is not an absolute statement, but a series of questions you don't have a solid answer to. But, I could be wrong.
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so demanding..

whadaya know about freewheeling? or the spoken wheel vs the spoken will and how they serve similar purposes?

are you familiar with (understand/overstand) a 'truing stand'?

I seek not truth because there is only one (that there is no truth) I do strive for trueness.

its all these written words create con fusion..

Thread: Secret Spells of the English Language: Our Premiere Life Sentence (Page 2)
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Free Will is from God / Source / The Creator.
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This book should be required reading for this thread: [link to wn.rsarchive.org (secure)]
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can you elaborate? at least what part/page because Stiener is not exactly a favorite of mine. thnx
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This book should be required reading for this thread: [link to wn.rsarchive.org (secure)]
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can you elaborate? at least what part/page because Stiener is not exactly a favorite of mine. thnx
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Not a favorite, but you’ve never even read the first and most important book he ever published? You can’t reduce the book to a paragraph, but here’s one example:

Each member of a totality is determined, as regards its characteristics and functions, by the whole totality. A racial group is a totality and all the people belonging to it bear the characteristic features that are inherent in the nature of the group. How the single member is constituted, and how he will behave, are determined by the character of the racial group. Therefore the physiognomy and conduct of the individual have something generic about them. If we ask why some particular thing about a man is like this or like that, we are referred back from the individual to the genus. The genus explains why something in the individual appears in the form we observe.
Man, however, makes himself free from what is generic. For the generic features of the human race, when rightly understood, do not restrict man's freedom, and should not artificially be made to do so. A man develops qualities and activities of his own, and the basis for these we can seek only in the man himself. What is generic in him serves only as a medium in which to express his own individual being. He uses as a foundation the characteristics that nature has given him, and to these he gives a form appropriate to his own being. If we seek in the generic laws the reasons for an expression of this being, we seek in vain. We are concerned with something purely individual which can be explained only in terms of itself. If a man has achieved this emancipation from all that is generic, and we are nevertheless determined to explain everything about him in generic terms, then we have no sense for what is individual.
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Im fairly sure that we can all agree that we did not create ourselves?

and we each have will power. what is that specifically? 'will power'

an electrical charge? are we capacitors in some sort of way? can we be con trolled by our emotions?

yes, I think many of us can and are con trolled this way.

I think POLitics is a sure fire mechanism for this.

perhaps the ones who have not discovered how this POLitical system POLarizes them are not on the same NPC level as those who have discovered this?

just freewheeling freestyle here. does seem that everything is Pure Energy

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This book should be required reading for this thread: [link to wn.rsarchive.org (secure)]
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can you elaborate? at least what part/page because Stiener is not exactly a favorite of mine. thnx
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Horse shit.

Find a real issue.

Steiner? Pretentious clap trap. Yay for college!
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Im fairly sure that we can all agree that we did not create ourselves?

and we each have will power. what is that specifically? 'will power'

an electrical charge? are we capacitors in some sort of way? can we be con trolled by our emotions?

yes, I think many of us can and are con trolled this way.

I think POLitics is a sure fire mechanism for this.

perhaps the ones who have not discovered how this POLitical system POLarizes them are not on the same NPC level as those who have discovered this?

just freewheeling freestyle here. does seem that everything is Pure Energy


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Even given that we didn’t create ourselves, are we not participating in the creation of our future selves with every choice we make in the present?
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This book should be required reading for this thread: [link to wn.rsarchive.org (secure)]
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can you elaborate? at least what part/page because Stiener is not exactly a favorite of mine. thnx
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Not a favorite, but you’ve never even read the first and most important book he ever published? You can’t reduce the book to a paragraph, but here’s one example:

Each member of a totality is determined, as regards its characteristics and functions, by the whole totality. A racial group is a totality and all the people belonging to it bear the characteristic features that are inherent in the nature of the group. How the single member is constituted, and how he will behave, are determined by the character of the racial group. Therefore the physiognomy and conduct of the individual have something generic about them. If we ask why some particular thing about a man is like this or like that, we are referred back from the individual to the genus. The genus explains why something in the individual appears in the form we observe.
Man, however, makes himself free from what is generic. For the generic features of the human race, when rightly understood, do not restrict man's freedom, and should not artificially be made to do so. A man develops qualities and activities of his own, and the basis for these we can seek only in the man himself. What is generic in him serves only as a medium in which to express his own individual being. He uses as a foundation the characteristics that nature has given him, and to these he gives a form appropriate to his own being. If we seek in the generic laws the reasons for an expression of this being, we seek in vain. We are concerned with something purely individual which can be explained only in terms of itself. If a man has achieved this emancipation from all that is generic, and we are nevertheless determined to explain everything about him in generic terms, then we have no sense for what is individual.
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thanks for the reminder... I see psycobabble when I read that. not that I think that of you FWIW but just right there he is using three different words for the same exact thing (man)
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Even given that we didn’t create ourselves, are we not participating in the creation of our future selves with every choice we make in the present?
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it would seem so.. but things are not always what they seem.

especially 'time' and if we are con cerned with the future then we are not exactly 'present' are we?
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This book should be required reading for this thread: [link to wn.rsarchive.org (secure)]
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can you elaborate? at least what part/page because Stiener is not exactly a favorite of mine. thnx
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Horse shit.

Find a real issue.

Steiner? Pretentious clap trap. Yay for college!
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lol

I am a 'real issue'





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