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Ginger Baker, the volatile and propulsive British musician who was best known for his time with the power trio Cream, died Sunday at age 80, his family said.


Born in 1939, Peter Edward Baker was the son of a bricklayer killed during World War II when Ginger was just 4. His father left behind a letter that Ginger Baker would quote from: "Use your fists; they're your best pals so often."


Baker wielded his blues power and jazz technique to help break open popular music and become one of the world's most admired and feared musicians.

With blazing eyes, orange-red hair and a temperament to match, the London native ranked with The Who's Keith Moon and Led Zeppelin's John Bonham as the embodiment of musical and personal fury. Using twin bass drums, Baker fashioned a pounding, poly-rhythmic style uncommonly swift and heavy that inspired and intimidated countless musicians. But every beat seemed to mirror an offstage eruption — whether his violent dislike of Cream bandmate Jack Bruce or his on-camera assault of a documentary maker, Jay Bulger, whom he smashed in the nose with his walking stick.
Baker continued to perform regularly in his 70s despite arthritis, heart trouble, hearing loss dating from his years with Cream and lung disease from smoking. No strangers to vices and not a fan of modesty, he called his memoir "Hellraiser: The Autobiography of the World's Greatest Drummer."

"John Bonham once made a statement that there were only two drummers in British rock 'n' roll; himself and Ginger Baker," Baker wrote in his book. "My reaction to this was, 'You cheeky little bastard!'"

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Ginger Baker, the volatile and propulsive British musician who was best known for his time with the power trio Cream, died Sunday at age 80, his family said.


Born in 1939, Peter Edward Baker was the son of a bricklayer killed during World War II when Ginger was just 4. His father left behind a letter that Ginger Baker would quote from: "Use your fists; they're your best pals so often."


Baker wielded his blues power and jazz technique to help break open popular music and become one of the world's most admired and feared musicians.

With blazing eyes, orange-red hair and a temperament to match, the London native ranked with The Who's Keith Moon and Led Zeppelin's John Bonham as the embodiment of musical and personal fury. Using twin bass drums, Baker fashioned a pounding, poly-rhythmic style uncommonly swift and heavy that inspired and intimidated countless musicians. But every beat seemed to mirror an offstage eruption — whether his violent dislike of Cream bandmate Jack Bruce or his on-camera assault of a documentary maker, Jay Bulger, whom he smashed in the nose with his walking stick.
Baker continued to perform regularly in his 70s despite arthritis, heart trouble, hearing loss dating from his years with Cream and lung disease from smoking. No strangers to vices and not a fan of modesty, he called his memoir "Hellraiser: The Autobiography of the World's Greatest Drummer."

"John Bonham once made a statement that there were only two drummers in British rock 'n' roll; himself and Ginger Baker," Baker wrote in his book. "My reaction to this was, 'You cheeky little bastard!'"

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As a drummer myself, he never impressed me much. He was solid, in the pocket, but that's to be expected at that level. John Bonham was leagues better. Hell, even the drummer Santana was using at that time was much more polished with technique and rudiments. Baker will be a legend because of the guitar player in a band he also happened to be in. Like winning big on a scratch off.
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Ginger Baker, the volatile and propulsive British musician who was best known for his time with the power trio Cream, died Sunday at age 80, his family said.


Born in 1939, Peter Edward Baker was the son of a bricklayer killed during World War II when Ginger was just 4. His father left behind a letter that Ginger Baker would quote from: "Use your fists; they're your best pals so often."


Baker wielded his blues power and jazz technique to help break open popular music and become one of the world's most admired and feared musicians.

With blazing eyes, orange-red hair and a temperament to match, the London native ranked with The Who's Keith Moon and Led Zeppelin's John Bonham as the embodiment of musical and personal fury. Using twin bass drums, Baker fashioned a pounding, poly-rhythmic style uncommonly swift and heavy that inspired and intimidated countless musicians. But every beat seemed to mirror an offstage eruption — whether his violent dislike of Cream bandmate Jack Bruce or his on-camera assault of a documentary maker, Jay Bulger, whom he smashed in the nose with his walking stick.
Baker continued to perform regularly in his 70s despite arthritis, heart trouble, hearing loss dating from his years with Cream and lung disease from smoking. No strangers to vices and not a fan of modesty, he called his memoir "Hellraiser: The Autobiography of the World's Greatest Drummer."

"John Bonham once made a statement that there were only two drummers in British rock 'n' roll; himself and Ginger Baker," Baker wrote in his book. "My reaction to this was, 'You cheeky little bastard!'"

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As a drummer myself, he never impressed me much. He was solid, in the pocket, but that's to be expected at that level. John Bonham was leagues better. Hell, even the drummer Santana was using at that time was much more polished with technique and rudiments. Baker will be a legend because of the guitar player in a band he also happened to be in. Like winning big on a scratch off.
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As a musician I think your assessment is right.There are many drummers in rock at that time that were just as proficient. As you stated Clapton being in Cream helped
spotlight his talent non the less.
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I must have stepped onto the wrong timeline.

I thought Cream broke up when Baker died.

Mandela effect?
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RIP Mr. Baker. I've always enjoyed Cream's music. The Baker documentary was interesting and insightful. Though he revealed himself as an ass more than anything.

He was a great drummer. Excellent with complex drum rolls. Held down a good rhythm.

But his drumming never particularly jumped out at me, not the way Clapton's guitar did. I think he always thought a little higher of himself than he actually was. And that's fine, let him have that. He earned his place in rock history.

More people try to emulate Bonham on drums than Baker. Baker's style is probably harder to emulate accurately than Bonham's. Baker probably thought that made him the better drummer, I dunno. Bonham played rock drums, Baker played jazz drums.

Anyway, another sad passing in a time when many more legends are soon to follow him to the grave. Once again, RIP Mr. Baker.
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I might have to rewatch that awesome documentary about him.

Ginger is an anagram for the n word.
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Fucker looked like he was 80 years old back in the 60's.
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I am surprised he made it to 80 years. His personality rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. RIP Ginger.
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"John Bonham once made a statement that there were only two drummers in British rock 'n' roll; himself and Ginger Baker," Baker wrote in his book. "My reaction to this was, 'You cheeky little bastard!'"

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He was batshit crazy, but he was one of the most influential drummers of his time. Even if you don't think he was one of the best, his influence on music is undeniable.
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Ginger Baker, the volatile and propulsive British musician who was best known for his time with the power trio Cream, died Sunday at age 80, his family said.


Born in 1939, Peter Edward Baker was the son of a bricklayer killed during World War II when Ginger was just 4. His father left behind a letter that Ginger Baker would quote from: "Use your fists; they're your best pals so often."


Baker wielded his blues power and jazz technique to help break open popular music and become one of the world's most admired and feared musicians.

With blazing eyes, orange-red hair and a temperament to match, the London native ranked with The Who's Keith Moon and Led Zeppelin's John Bonham as the embodiment of musical and personal fury. Using twin bass drums, Baker fashioned a pounding, poly-rhythmic style uncommonly swift and heavy that inspired and intimidated countless musicians. But every beat seemed to mirror an offstage eruption — whether his violent dislike of Cream bandmate Jack Bruce or his on-camera assault of a documentary maker, Jay Bulger, whom he smashed in the nose with his walking stick.
Baker continued to perform regularly in his 70s despite arthritis, heart trouble, hearing loss dating from his years with Cream and lung disease from smoking. No strangers to vices and not a fan of modesty, he called his memoir "Hellraiser: The Autobiography of the World's Greatest Drummer."

"John Bonham once made a statement that there were only two drummers in British rock 'n' roll; himself and Ginger Baker," Baker wrote in his book. "My reaction to this was, 'You cheeky little bastard!'"

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 Quoting: Jon Titor ™


As a drummer myself, he never impressed me much. He was solid, in the pocket, but that's to be expected at that level. John Bonham was leagues better. Hell, even the drummer Santana was using at that time was much more polished with technique and rudiments. Baker will be a legend because of the guitar player in a band he also happened to be in. Like winning big on a scratch off.
 Quoting: Fred Leuchter


As a musician I think your assessment is right.There are many drummers in rock at that time that were just as proficient. As you stated Clapton being in Cream helped
spotlight his talent non the less.
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Don't underestimate how great Jack Bruce was. Without a great bass player like Jack, Ginger would not have been as good. Jack Bruce is severely under appreciated.
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Another Legend bites the Dust. Rest in Peace Mr. Baker, but knowing you, you never much lived for peace and quiet and I thank you for that...



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i made a thread about him in critical condition. followed his status for days, then he didn't die and seemed to be stablizing, so i got lazy about watching. you caught me off guard mr. baker. you're probably too bad for heanen and too crazy for hell. good luck out there.
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i made a thread about him in critical condition. followed his status for days, then he didn't die and seemed to be stablizing, so i got lazy about watching. you caught me off guard mr. baker. you're probably too bad for heanen and too crazy for hell. good luck out there.
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In a way, it's nice that GLP gave him a proper send-off.
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Without doubt one of the largest drum legends and one of the worlds best drummers. He was still playing full tilt well into his 70’s. Perhaps more people were jealous of him as a drummer than any other also.(lesser drummers than him ,each one of course.)

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Listened to lots of Ginger Baker over the years. RIP dude. Not a top drummer in my book but he certainly has his place in history.
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Great drummer and sad to see these old guys die off but I never really got into Cream. More of a Led Zeppelin fan.





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