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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77864894 United States 10/06/2019 10:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ginger Baker, the volatile and propulsive British musician who was best known for his time with the power trio Cream, died Sunday at age 80, his family said. Quoting: Jon Titor ™ Born in 1939, Peter Edward Baker was the son of a bricklayer killed during World War II when Ginger was just 4. His father left behind a letter that Ginger Baker would quote from: "Use your fists; they're your best pals so often." Baker wielded his blues power and jazz technique to help break open popular music and become one of the world's most admired and feared musicians. With blazing eyes, orange-red hair and a temperament to match, the London native ranked with The Who's Keith Moon and Led Zeppelin's John Bonham as the embodiment of musical and personal fury. Using twin bass drums, Baker fashioned a pounding, poly-rhythmic style uncommonly swift and heavy that inspired and intimidated countless musicians. But every beat seemed to mirror an offstage eruption — whether his violent dislike of Cream bandmate Jack Bruce or his on-camera assault of a documentary maker, Jay Bulger, whom he smashed in the nose with his walking stick. Baker continued to perform regularly in his 70s despite arthritis, heart trouble, hearing loss dating from his years with Cream and lung disease from smoking. No strangers to vices and not a fan of modesty, he called his memoir "Hellraiser: The Autobiography of the World's Greatest Drummer." "John Bonham once made a statement that there were only two drummers in British rock 'n' roll; himself and Ginger Baker," Baker wrote in his book. "My reaction to this was, 'You cheeky little bastard!'" [link to www.sfgate.com (secure)] As a drummer myself, he never impressed me much. He was solid, in the pocket, but that's to be expected at that level. John Bonham was leagues better. Hell, even the drummer Santana was using at that time was much more polished with technique and rudiments. Baker will be a legend because of the guitar player in a band he also happened to be in. Like winning big on a scratch off. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76793941 United States 10/06/2019 11:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ginger Baker, the volatile and propulsive British musician who was best known for his time with the power trio Cream, died Sunday at age 80, his family said. Quoting: Jon Titor ™ Born in 1939, Peter Edward Baker was the son of a bricklayer killed during World War II when Ginger was just 4. His father left behind a letter that Ginger Baker would quote from: "Use your fists; they're your best pals so often." Baker wielded his blues power and jazz technique to help break open popular music and become one of the world's most admired and feared musicians. With blazing eyes, orange-red hair and a temperament to match, the London native ranked with The Who's Keith Moon and Led Zeppelin's John Bonham as the embodiment of musical and personal fury. Using twin bass drums, Baker fashioned a pounding, poly-rhythmic style uncommonly swift and heavy that inspired and intimidated countless musicians. But every beat seemed to mirror an offstage eruption — whether his violent dislike of Cream bandmate Jack Bruce or his on-camera assault of a documentary maker, Jay Bulger, whom he smashed in the nose with his walking stick. Baker continued to perform regularly in his 70s despite arthritis, heart trouble, hearing loss dating from his years with Cream and lung disease from smoking. No strangers to vices and not a fan of modesty, he called his memoir "Hellraiser: The Autobiography of the World's Greatest Drummer." "John Bonham once made a statement that there were only two drummers in British rock 'n' roll; himself and Ginger Baker," Baker wrote in his book. "My reaction to this was, 'You cheeky little bastard!'" [link to www.sfgate.com (secure)] As a drummer myself, he never impressed me much. He was solid, in the pocket, but that's to be expected at that level. John Bonham was leagues better. Hell, even the drummer Santana was using at that time was much more polished with technique and rudiments. Baker will be a legend because of the guitar player in a band he also happened to be in. Like winning big on a scratch off. As a musician I think your assessment is right.There are many drummers in rock at that time that were just as proficient. As you stated Clapton being in Cream helped spotlight his talent non the less. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 51084153 United States 10/06/2019 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | RIP Mr. Baker. I've always enjoyed Cream's music. The Baker documentary was interesting and insightful. Though he revealed himself as an ass more than anything. He was a great drummer. Excellent with complex drum rolls. Held down a good rhythm. But his drumming never particularly jumped out at me, not the way Clapton's guitar did. I think he always thought a little higher of himself than he actually was. And that's fine, let him have that. He earned his place in rock history. More people try to emulate Bonham on drums than Baker. Baker's style is probably harder to emulate accurately than Bonham's. Baker probably thought that made him the better drummer, I dunno. Bonham played rock drums, Baker played jazz drums. Anyway, another sad passing in a time when many more legends are soon to follow him to the grave. Once again, RIP Mr. Baker. |
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User ID: 30776013 Canada 10/06/2019 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He was batshit crazy, but he was one of the most influential drummers of his time. Even if you don't think he was one of the best, his influence on music is undeniable. Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. |
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User ID: 30776013 Canada 10/06/2019 12:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ginger Baker, the volatile and propulsive British musician who was best known for his time with the power trio Cream, died Sunday at age 80, his family said. Quoting: Jon Titor ™ Born in 1939, Peter Edward Baker was the son of a bricklayer killed during World War II when Ginger was just 4. His father left behind a letter that Ginger Baker would quote from: "Use your fists; they're your best pals so often." Baker wielded his blues power and jazz technique to help break open popular music and become one of the world's most admired and feared musicians. With blazing eyes, orange-red hair and a temperament to match, the London native ranked with The Who's Keith Moon and Led Zeppelin's John Bonham as the embodiment of musical and personal fury. Using twin bass drums, Baker fashioned a pounding, poly-rhythmic style uncommonly swift and heavy that inspired and intimidated countless musicians. But every beat seemed to mirror an offstage eruption — whether his violent dislike of Cream bandmate Jack Bruce or his on-camera assault of a documentary maker, Jay Bulger, whom he smashed in the nose with his walking stick. Baker continued to perform regularly in his 70s despite arthritis, heart trouble, hearing loss dating from his years with Cream and lung disease from smoking. No strangers to vices and not a fan of modesty, he called his memoir "Hellraiser: The Autobiography of the World's Greatest Drummer." "John Bonham once made a statement that there were only two drummers in British rock 'n' roll; himself and Ginger Baker," Baker wrote in his book. "My reaction to this was, 'You cheeky little bastard!'" [link to www.sfgate.com (secure)] As a drummer myself, he never impressed me much. He was solid, in the pocket, but that's to be expected at that level. John Bonham was leagues better. Hell, even the drummer Santana was using at that time was much more polished with technique and rudiments. Baker will be a legend because of the guitar player in a band he also happened to be in. Like winning big on a scratch off. As a musician I think your assessment is right.There are many drummers in rock at that time that were just as proficient. As you stated Clapton being in Cream helped spotlight his talent non the less. Don't underestimate how great Jack Bruce was. Without a great bass player like Jack, Ginger would not have been as good. Jack Bruce is severely under appreciated. Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. |
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User ID: 45716769 Netherlands 10/06/2019 12:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another Legend bites the Dust. Rest in Peace Mr. Baker, but knowing you, you never much lived for peace and quiet and I thank you for that... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
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User ID: 77762368 United States 10/06/2019 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i made a thread about him in critical condition. followed his status for days, then he didn't die and seemed to be stablizing, so i got lazy about watching. you caught me off guard mr. baker. you're probably too bad for heanen and too crazy for hell. good luck out there. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75169334 United States 10/06/2019 01:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i made a thread about him in critical condition. followed his status for days, then he didn't die and seemed to be stablizing, so i got lazy about watching. you caught me off guard mr. baker. you're probably too bad for heanen and too crazy for hell. good luck out there. Quoting: guitar ace In a way, it's nice that GLP gave him a proper send-off. Not many forums do that. |
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User ID: 77487865 United States 10/06/2019 01:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Without doubt one of the largest drum legends and one of the worlds best drummers. He was still playing full tilt well into his 70’s. Perhaps more people were jealous of him as a drummer than any other also.(lesser drummers than him ,each one of course.) Last Edited by Grateful1 on 10/06/2019 01:38 PM Triton |
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