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If you actually SAW "Joker" you'd know it's not someone shooting up a theater that anyone needs to be worried about.

 
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If you actually SAW "Joker" you'd know it's not someone shooting up a theater that anyone needs to be worried about.
First of all, 'Joker' in this specific iteration of who is he (Arthur Fleck in this case) is a metaphor for "The Anomaly" and how he/it really operates and got us here.

Even a disgruntled individual who may have planned to do a mass shooting in a theater, would have dropped that idea within the first 15 minutes of the movie, since they would end up relating to this guy.

Heath Ledger's depiction of "The Joker" was really, well, a joke in comparison to Joaquin Phoenix's depiction of the Joker. There's no big explosions, no elaborate operations, none of Heath Ledger's bullshit, just an organic reaction to a set of actions that required minimal effort besides the will to kill.

It's a gritty realistic film with ZERO CGI, a backdrop of a system that doesn't care about the poor and those who've fallen between the cracks of society, and gives inspiration to those who have to GO OUT INTO THE REAL WORLD, and get their piece of revenge.

Sure, Liberal Democrats, Center Democrats, Independents, Liberal Republicans, Center Republicans, Conservatives and Far Right Republicans all went to see the movie. There's something you need to know though.

There are no heros in Joker, nobody coming to save the day, only a mentally ill man who has been pushed to the brink, and eventually inadvertently starts a MOVEMENT based on actions that aligned with the ideals of others like himself in society.

It's this which makes it a dangerous movie.
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New scandal is the fact that they used a convicted pedophile's song in the film, weird shit. Check it out.
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There are no dangerous movies, only stupid people.
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Re: If you actually SAW "Joker" you'd know it's not someone shooting up a theater that anyone needs to be worried about.
Its a celebration of the underdog and him having his vengeance on a worthless society.
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Re: If you actually SAW "Joker" you'd know it's not someone shooting up a theater that anyone needs to be worried about.
Once the movie starts getting well along its way, Arthur becomes only a Microcosm within a Macrocosmic movement that he accidentally started. His work and leadership are no longer needed by the end of the movie, as he shows the way for everyone else like him, and empowers them to lead themselves.

'The Mob' becomes just as essential to the climax of the movie, as his own actions, and without them, he'd never have made it as far as he did.

It's not one guy, one shooter, one disgruntled individual that you need to be concerned about, it's the MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of them out there who are going to say "Fuck this"

Also, Joker doesn't kill people in any special ways, nor does the movie really promote 'Gun Violence'. A knife, a screwdriver, a pair of scissors, your granddaddies' old revolver, anything that does the job of spilling the blood of people that disgruntled individuals view to be the enemy.

The guy is not tooled up with an arsenal of weaponry and a stockpile of money. He's POOR, he goes to a mental health clinic (That ends up getting shut down by the Government because they didn't want to finance it anymore) He's on 7 different psychiatric 'medications', and had already been 5150'd in a Psyche Hospital by the time you begin to get to know him as a person.

You're not going to feel the actual impacts of this movie for a while, it's the kind of thing that causes latent and protracted chaos, not immediate.
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There are no dangerous movies, only stupid people.
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Oh believe me, this is a dangerous movie. One of the most dangerous ever made.
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Its a celebration of the underdog and him having his vengeance on a worthless society.
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Indeed. Drinks are on the house.
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There are no dangerous movies, only stupid people.
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Oh believe me, this is a dangerous movie. One of the most dangerous ever made.
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I believe you my dear, all is made to make fragile people crazy...
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New scandal is the fact that they used a convicted pedophile's song in the film, weird shit. Check it out.
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which is stupid, as they still play this song all over the country at sporting events.
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the real danger is somebody shooting Conan O'Brien!


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New scandal is the fact that they used a convicted pedophile's song in the film, weird shit. Check it out.
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It's not really a scandal, because you have no idea how Evil has become Arthur at that point in the movie. He lost all of his heart and soul, and disregarded any predispositions to spread joy and Happiness in the world.

Then there's "The Movement" his movement that he inadvertently created (Can't say how he does it, or I'll spoil the movie) and they as well, are not necessarily 'good people'. They're the underdogs who, along with him, have decided to take their pound of flesh. There are no good guys in the movie, only those The Elite VS The Disgruntled poor of society. Don't expect a happy ending, don't expect a hero to come along and save anything, because that doesn't happen.

The only Scandal, is that they'd even make a movie like this, and put it out at this time period. A time period of incredible turmoil and great uncertainty.
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New scandal is the fact that they used a convicted pedophile's song in the film, weird shit. Check it out.
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It's not really a scandal, because you have no idea how Evil Arthur has become at that point in the movie. He lost all of his heart and soul, and disregarded any predispositions to spread joy and Happiness in the world.

Then there's "The Movement" his movement that he inadvertently created (Can't say how he does it, or I'll spoil the movie) and they as well, are not necessarily 'good people'. They're the underdogs who, along with him, have decided to take their pound of flesh. There are no good guys in the movie, only those The Elite VS The Disgruntled poor of society. Don't expect a happy ending, don't expect a hero to come along and save anything, because that doesn't happen.

The only Scandal, is that they'd even make a movie like this, and put it out at this time period. A time period of incredible turmoil and great uncertainty.
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I agree with OP. Joker was the most dangerous and disturbing movie I have ever seen
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I agree with OP. Joker was the most dangerous and disturbing movie I have ever seen
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"They Live" for the 21st Century?
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Re: If you actually SAW "Joker" you'd know it's not someone shooting up a theater that anyone needs to be worried about.
In addition to the 'scandal' post, I'll add something. When Arthur and little Bruce Wayne meet at the Wayne compound, and he sticks his fingers in Bruce's mouth to put an artificial smile on his face, that alone violates so many laws.

Trespassing, Child abuse, Assault, and even possibly sexual Assault of some form legally speaking. You're not allowed to stick your fingers into someone's mouth, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

Forget everything you think that you know about this movie, Arthur becomes very very Evil, and so do all of his followers.
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Re: If you actually SAW "Joker" you'd know it's not someone shooting up a theater that anyone needs to be worried about.
The General idea, is essentially that the Government is so corrupt, that "Hell, we'll just do whatever the fuck we want"

"If they can do it, so can we."

This isn't a movie that should have been made at this point in time, and you'll see why in the near future.
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There are no dangerous movies, only stupid people.
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^^^^^
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I think that you have issues, and need to find a Jesus or something.

Go fuck yourself, and take your joke of an anomaly clusterfuck with you.
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This isn't a movie that should have been made at this point in time, and you'll see why in the near future.
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why?

are you a future guest on the Jimmy Kimmel show?
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I think that you have issues, and need to find a Jesus or something.

Go fuck yourself, and take your joke of an anomaly clusterfuck with you.
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It's not a Joke anymore. It's just uncanny that a movie has been released that in some form, shows what happened during this time period.

Unlike how you've insulted me, I'm not going to insult you back.

"Find a Jesus or something." Yeah, you're one of the exact prototypes in the movie that makes him start killing people.

"Find Jesus, OR SOMETHING, so we can continue to live our lavish lives and shit all over you when and where we feel like it"

Didn't work out so well in the train did it? lol
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Re: If you actually SAW "Joker" you'd know it's not someone shooting up a theater that anyone needs to be worried about.
First of all, 'Joker' in this specific iteration of who is he (Arthur Fleck in this case) is a metaphor for "The Anomaly" and how he/it really operates and got us here.

Even a disgruntled individual who may have planned to do a mass shooting in a theater, would have dropped that idea within the first 15 minutes of the movie, since they would end up relating to this guy.

Heath Ledger's depiction of "The Joker" was really, well, a joke in comparison to Joaquin Phoenix's depiction of the Joker. There's no big explosions, no elaborate operations, none of Heath Ledger's bullshit, just an organic reaction to a set of actions that required minimal effort besides the will to kill.

It's a gritty realistic film with ZERO CGI, a backdrop of a system that doesn't care about the poor and those who've fallen between the cracks of society, and gives inspiration to those who have to GO OUT INTO THE REAL WORLD, and get their piece of revenge.

Sure, Liberal Democrats, Center Democrats, Independents, Liberal Republicans, Center Republicans, Conservatives and Far Right Republicans all went to see the movie. There's something you need to know though.

There are no heros in Joker, nobody coming to save the day, only a mentally ill man who has been pushed to the brink, and eventually inadvertently starts a MOVEMENT based on actions that aligned with the ideals of others like himself in society.

It's this which makes it a dangerous movie.
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cruise always trying to blame the 'anomaly' well I have no problems with society just the lack of money and time to do anything in it, and that's my fault for not listening in school isn't it? Keep chasing your own tails.
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This isn't a movie that should have been made at this point in time, and you'll see why in the near future.
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why?

are you a future guest on the Jimmy Kimmel show?
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Unfortunately not, I'm not a comedian. I'm a Physicist and Physical Chemist. I doubt he and his audience want to hear about atomic orbitals and PI Bonds.
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Re: If you actually SAW "Joker" you'd know it's not someone shooting up a theater that anyone needs to be worried about.
First of all, 'Joker' in this specific iteration of who is he (Arthur Fleck in this case) is a metaphor for "The Anomaly" and how he/it really operates and got us here.

Even a disgruntled individual who may have planned to do a mass shooting in a theater, would have dropped that idea within the first 15 minutes of the movie, since they would end up relating to this guy.

Heath Ledger's depiction of "The Joker" was really, well, a joke in comparison to Joaquin Phoenix's depiction of the Joker. There's no big explosions, no elaborate operations, none of Heath Ledger's bullshit, just an organic reaction to a set of actions that required minimal effort besides the will to kill.

It's a gritty realistic film with ZERO CGI, a backdrop of a system that doesn't care about the poor and those who've fallen between the cracks of society, and gives inspiration to those who have to GO OUT INTO THE REAL WORLD, and get their piece of revenge.

Sure, Liberal Democrats, Center Democrats, Independents, Liberal Republicans, Center Republicans, Conservatives and Far Right Republicans all went to see the movie. There's something you need to know though.

There are no heros in Joker, nobody coming to save the day, only a mentally ill man who has been pushed to the brink, and eventually inadvertently starts a MOVEMENT based on actions that aligned with the ideals of others like himself in society.

It's this which makes it a dangerous movie.
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cruise always trying to blame the 'anomaly' well I have no problems with society just the lack of money and time to do anything in it, and that's my fault for not listening in school isn't it? Keep chasing your own tails.
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I don't blame the mysterious or even non existent "Anomaly" for anything. I'm more than happy that the discomfort that once only resided within the less fortunate, has now spread into every facet of life.

You can't even be a Billionaire and be happy these days... It's a good situation, and one that is directly reflected in 'Joker'.
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First of all, 'Joker' in this specific iteration of who is he (Arthur Fleck in this case) is a metaphor for "The Anomaly" and how he/it really operates and got us here.

Even a disgruntled individual who may have planned to do a mass shooting in a theater, would have dropped that idea within the first 15 minutes of the movie, since they would end up relating to this guy.

Heath Ledger's depiction of "The Joker" was really, well, a joke in comparison to Joaquin Phoenix's depiction of the Joker. There's no big explosions, no elaborate operations, none of Heath Ledger's bullshit, just an organic reaction to a set of actions that required minimal effort besides the will to kill.

It's a gritty realistic film with ZERO CGI, a backdrop of a system that doesn't care about the poor and those who've fallen between the cracks of society, and gives inspiration to those who have to GO OUT INTO THE REAL WORLD, and get their piece of revenge.

Sure, Liberal Democrats, Center Democrats, Independents, Liberal Republicans, Center Republicans, Conservatives and Far Right Republicans all went to see the movie. There's something you need to know though.

There are no heros in Joker, nobody coming to save the day, only a mentally ill man who has been pushed to the brink, and eventually inadvertently starts a MOVEMENT based on actions that aligned with the ideals of others like himself in society.

It's this which makes it a dangerous movie.
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True wisdom
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Re: If you actually SAW "Joker" you'd know it's not someone shooting up a theater that anyone needs to be worried about.
First of all, 'Joker' in this specific iteration of who is he (Arthur Fleck in this case) is a metaphor for "The Anomaly" and how he/it really operates and got us here.

Even a disgruntled individual who may have planned to do a mass shooting in a theater, would have dropped that idea within the first 15 minutes of the movie, since they would end up relating to this guy.

Heath Ledger's depiction of "The Joker" was really, well, a joke in comparison to Joaquin Phoenix's depiction of the Joker. There's no big explosions, no elaborate operations, none of Heath Ledger's bullshit, just an organic reaction to a set of actions that required minimal effort besides the will to kill.

It's a gritty realistic film with ZERO CGI, a backdrop of a system that doesn't care about the poor and those who've fallen between the cracks of society, and gives inspiration to those who have to GO OUT INTO THE REAL WORLD, and get their piece of revenge.

Sure, Liberal Democrats, Center Democrats, Independents, Liberal Republicans, Center Republicans, Conservatives and Far Right Republicans all went to see the movie. There's something you need to know though.

There are no heros in Joker, nobody coming to save the day, only a mentally ill man who has been pushed to the brink, and eventually inadvertently starts a MOVEMENT based on actions that aligned with the ideals of others like himself in society.

It's this which makes it a dangerous movie.
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So in other words, it's serious masturbation fodder for a great multitude of people who visit this site, who think that Republicans love them and Democrats hate them, when in reality the real problem is the wealthy vs. the rest of us, regardless of our political identity.

Is that about right?
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First of all, 'Joker' in this specific iteration of who is he (Arthur Fleck in this case) is a metaphor for "The Anomaly" and how he/it really operates and got us here.

Even a disgruntled individual who may have planned to do a mass shooting in a theater, would have dropped that idea within the first 15 minutes of the movie, since they would end up relating to this guy.

Heath Ledger's depiction of "The Joker" was really, well, a joke in comparison to Joaquin Phoenix's depiction of the Joker. There's no big explosions, no elaborate operations, none of Heath Ledger's bullshit, just an organic reaction to a set of actions that required minimal effort besides the will to kill.

It's a gritty realistic film with ZERO CGI, a backdrop of a system that doesn't care about the poor and those who've fallen between the cracks of society, and gives inspiration to those who have to GO OUT INTO THE REAL WORLD, and get their piece of revenge.

Sure, Liberal Democrats, Center Democrats, Independents, Liberal Republicans, Center Republicans, Conservatives and Far Right Republicans all went to see the movie. There's something you need to know though.

There are no heros in Joker, nobody coming to save the day, only a mentally ill man who has been pushed to the brink, and eventually inadvertently starts a MOVEMENT based on actions that aligned with the ideals of others like himself in society.

It's this which makes it a dangerous movie.
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So in other words, it's serious masturbation fodder for a great multitude of people who visit this site, who think that Republicans love them and Democrats hate them, when in reality the real problem is the wealthy vs. the rest of us, regardless of our political identity.

Is that about right?
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True wisdom.
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Re: If you actually SAW "Joker" you'd know it's not someone shooting up a theater that anyone needs to be worried about.
First of all, 'Joker' in this specific iteration of who is he (Arthur Fleck in this case) is a metaphor for "The Anomaly" and how he/it really operates and got us here.

Even a disgruntled individual who may have planned to do a mass shooting in a theater, would have dropped that idea within the first 15 minutes of the movie, since they would end up relating to this guy.

Heath Ledger's depiction of "The Joker" was really, well, a joke in comparison to Joaquin Phoenix's depiction of the Joker. There's no big explosions, no elaborate operations, none of Heath Ledger's bullshit, just an organic reaction to a set of actions that required minimal effort besides the will to kill.

It's a gritty realistic film with ZERO CGI, a backdrop of a system that doesn't care about the poor and those who've fallen between the cracks of society, and gives inspiration to those who have to GO OUT INTO THE REAL WORLD, and get their piece of revenge.

Sure, Liberal Democrats, Center Democrats, Independents, Liberal Republicans, Center Republicans, Conservatives and Far Right Republicans all went to see the movie. There's something you need to know though.

There are no heros in Joker, nobody coming to save the day, only a mentally ill man who has been pushed to the brink, and eventually inadvertently starts a MOVEMENT based on actions that aligned with the ideals of others like himself in society.

It's this which makes it a dangerous movie.
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So in other words, it's serious masturbation fodder for a great multitude of people who visit this site, who think that Republicans love them and Democrats hate them, when in reality the real problem is the wealthy vs. the rest of us, regardless of our political identity.

Is that about right?
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That essentially sums it up.
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Thanks for the review. I doubt I'll see it unless I catch it for free on cable sometime.

Jack Nicholson was the ultimate joker, I can do without all the dark psychological b.s....I watch movies to escape all the darkness in real life

Peace
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Trump should go see this movie, even though he may not have the time, since he's nearly eyeball deep in shit.

One of his most vocal critics, Robert Deniro, plays this absolute piece of shit in the movie, that is more than willing to use other's misfortune for his own gain, and to make his 'show' all the more entertaining, for ratings and profit.

Aside from Thomas Wayne, Robert Deniro is the Trump Archetype in this film, and things don't end well for him.

Again, I'm just giving you a slight breakdown of this movie, I'm not instigating or condoning anything at all, in compliance with the terms of service and rules of this website.

If Trump wants to know why 'Snowflakes' have been so angry at him, he should go see this movie.

Life isn't just about what you DO to people, it's also about what you SAY to people, how you treat them, and how you attempt to utilize them, especially when it's for your own gain.

Again, all terms of service followed, no violations committed.

"When I was a little boy and told people I was gonna be a Comedian, everyone laughed at me. Well, no-one's laughing now!" Ouch
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Thanks for the review. I doubt I'll see it unless I catch it for free on cable sometime.

Jack Nicholson was the ultimate joker, I can do without all the dark psychological b.s....I watch movies to escape all the darkness in real life

Peace
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This shares absolutely no relation with Jack Nicholson's iteration of the Joker, it is something way different that doesn't even have anything to do with the Comic series. It's something way way darker also.

The movie that Nicholson played that role in, was just that........ a movie. This, on the other hand, isn't just a movie.

Of course all you stable well to do people are not going to understand what makes it any different than the millions of other 'movies' that have been produced, including the extremely ultra violent torture porn flicks like Hostel and the like.

It's just in a category all of its own. I can only really compare it to an inverted form of the Ludovico Technique displayed in "A Clockwork Orange" which as well, was NOT just an ordinary movie, and nearly 50 years later, still retains its effectiveness.
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Oh shut the fuck up

A deranged lunatic wouldn't go to the movie to watch it if he planned on doing crazy shit

He would just do his crazy shit.. not watch a flick and relate to a character





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