Researchers Say Vitamin E Likely Isn’t The Culprit In Vaping-Related Ailments | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78020158 United States 10/08/2019 09:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I tried vaping but told people right away that it's as caustic at least as smoke, you just don't realize it because it's cool (as in temp., not hot like smoke), and they may lead to over-use. Just like smoking a bong is dangerous if you don't know you are taking in 10x more than usual |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77565933 United States 10/08/2019 09:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PG causes cell death, if the science is true. Maybe someone who's good at reading science papers can go find that paper and analyze it. If it does cause cell damage or death, that would be something you never want in your body. |
BRIEF
User ID: 39607259 United States 10/08/2019 09:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Traditional antifreeze is ethylene glycol, what's in vaporizer liquid is propylene glycol, they sound a lot alike but in chemistry that means nothing... still can't be what your lungs were made for Then why do the lungs prefer Carbon Monoxide (CO) over Oxygen (O2) when CO is very dangerous and can be lethal? Last Edited by BRIEF on 10/08/2019 09:39 AM I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
Fluffy Pancakes
User ID: 77458026 United States 10/08/2019 09:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The majority of illnesses were from THC bootleg carts. Crap chemicals added, like Spice/K2 as well as myclobutinal which is a fungicide that turns into cyanide on combustion. One death was linked to a vape from a CA dispensary and myclobutinal was found in the vape cart. Either wind drift or someone applying it to not lose their crop to fungus. All the hoopla is to control and frighten people and keep people in the analog cig/pharmaceutical realm. However, no one should vape cannabis carts from anything other than a certain and known source. I'd even go so far as to say only do the dry vape on cannabis, but still have a certain and known source for the cannabis. Things are bad enough, there is no need to make anything up. ~Fluffy "Never interrupt an enemy in the process of destroying himself." Quercitin and zinc...Get it. Take it. Visit howbad.info...If you took the shot, for sure. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61629722 United States 10/08/2019 09:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Traditional antifreeze is ethylene glycol, what's in vaporizer liquid is propylene glycol, they sound a lot alike but in chemistry that means nothing... still can't be what your lungs were made for Then why do the lungs prefer Carbon Monoxide (CO) over Oxygen (O2) when CO is very dangerous and can be lethal? not gonna argue. My lungs like air. Ex smoker here..I vape air daily. makes running a lot easier |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60407566 United States 10/08/2019 10:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | in a perfect world the companies would make these all natural with the things left to tincture in some vegetable glycerine for a month or two, but given the demand they might not have the time and are speeding up the process the speed of processing is what will be the main issue above all else honestly |
Blue State Rebel
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76799292 United States 10/08/2019 10:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There's a lot more than just vitamin E to look out for, with cannabis you have to have the flower lab tested also when it's being grown to make sure there's no heavy metals or pesticides. It all must go legal to be FDA approved, otherwise there's no way to know how it was grown. But I'm using dry herb vaporizers to avoid the oils altogether until they get everything FDA regulated. The Arizer Extreme Q is a good one for filling up the bags. For portables the Storz and Bickel "Mighty" is one of the best, same with their Volcano; but both are expensive. I might get the Arizer Solo 2 for a cheaper portable, or the Pax 3. Legalizing Cannabis is the Answer to Vaping Concerns [link to www.forbes.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76512891 Canada 10/08/2019 10:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah there's like five toxic chemicals that come off second hand vaping, benzene is one of them, that's why people are pushing to ban indoors. Quoting: Keilani Oh yea? What are they then what are the 5? No benzene coming off my vape. It's only vegetable glycerine. It's chemically impossible. So much propaganda playing out in the media now. Obviously there's poisons coming from CHINA and people are getting sick. Buy AMERICAN MADE!! It has always been better and even the ingredients differ. Vaporizing vegetable glycerin is extremely bad for you. Can cause death. Even burning glycerin can be dangerous- glycerin must be burned at a temp higher than 750 degrees or toxic gases are produced. It's an issue in industries that have glycerin as a by-product. (Biodiesel fuel production, etc) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76799292 United States 10/08/2019 10:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is how cannabis should be sold, as it here here in hemp form. See, these guys aren't even regulated but the market has self-regulated itself through demand. 3rd party lab tests for each flower. After hemp, I would never buy cannabis off the street. [link to tweedlefarms.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76799292 United States 10/08/2019 10:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What many of us are vaping now is CO2 oil, skipping the PG and VG, vaping nothing but pure oil and terpenes. 3rd party lab tested, you are simply heating up pure extract, no oils added. [link to mysticrootscbd.com (secure)] |
BRIEF
User ID: 39607259 United States 10/08/2019 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Two things that will help keep you healthy: Quoting: Blue State Rebel Don't stick anything in your nose except your finger. Don't inhale anything but air. Weeeeeeeeeeee that sounds FUN! I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78007690 10/08/2019 10:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Researchers Say Vitamin E Likely Isn’t the Culprit in Vaping-Related Ailments Quoting: TrustNoOneKS "Researchers at the Mayo Clinic have all but ruled out vitamin E oil and other thickeners as the possible culprit in a wave of vaping-related illnesses and deaths, deepening the mystery of what might be at fault. Instead, the clinic pathology team reported in the New England Journal of Medicine on Wednesday that the lung tissue they examined suggests the damage was more likely caused by inhaling a caustic chemical fume. . . . In the new study Wednesday, Dr. Larsen and his colleagues examined lung-biopsy tissue from 17 patients at hospitals around the country, all of whom had been diagnosed with vaping-associated lung injuries. Almost three-quarters of them had vaped using cartridges containing marijuana or cannabis oils, the pathologists said. Two of them died. . . . But the Mayo Clinic’s lung-tissue samples, the first to be examined directly under a microscope, showed no sign of oils. “We have not seen any evidence of that in any of our cases,” Dr. Larsen said." [link to www.wsj.com (secure)] (Emphasis added) Listen, I know this is a hot topic here on GLP and many are going to get angry over the headline here. But, let's be honest here. I don't think it's wise to jump on the Vitamin E bandwagon right now until there is definitive, absolute proof that this is what the culprit is. As much as everyone wants it to be this, I don't think it's wise for people to push that this is the problem when it is still not known if this is the problem. And before anyone wants to go calling me a big tobacco shill, I was vaping all the way up until the first death occurred here in Kansas. I personally stopped vaping that very night because I have done the respiratory failure last December and it's not fun and I don't want to go there again. To be quite frank, I was scared out of my wits. I personally will not start vaping again until it has been figured out for sure what is going on here. I want to personally be sure that it's not a flavoring agent or something like that. I don't want to see anyone else come down with this because they thought they were 100% safe because everyone said it's the Vitamin E thing, when in all honesty, we don't know for sure that it is. I started vaping med cannabis two weeks ago and quit this week. BACK TO THE ONLY WAY TO GET MY MEDICINE..... Don't Bogart That Joint! [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
wisconsin
User ID: 78064300 United States 10/08/2019 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . ... interesting info!!! ... . ... did the FIRST vap pens have this problem? ... . Last Edited by wisconsin human on 10/08/2019 10:57 AM . Our family celebrates The Lord's Feasts: [link to www.grafted-promise.net] Fools and the dead don't change their minds. Fools won't and the dead can't. When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar. You are only telling the world that you fear what he might say. Quoting: CountryWise Amos 5:13 - Therefore at such a time the prudent person keeps silent, for it is an evil time. |
TrustNoOneKS
(OP) User ID: 76946759 United States 10/08/2019 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who really knows at this point. One thing I've wondered about and it seems to be being confirmed by some articles, is that this really may have been flying under the radar all this time. Here's another article that seems to confirm this: Fort Atkinson teen shares near-death experience after vaping "'It’s highly likely that many cases we diagnosed as pneumonia in the past, without a clear cause, may have been related to vaping,” said Dr. Vivek Balasubramanian a UW pediatric pulmonologist. “We are looking at those retrospectively to see whether there is any link to vaping-related injuries.'” [link to www.nbc15.com (secure)] The kid in this article claims he was using Juul. I would think that blood tests would confirm whether or not a patient is being honest about whether he was doing nicotine only. I mean if they were vaping THC, I would expect a test to reflect this. Vaping linked to 19 deaths in the United States "It is not clear whether the outbreak is only happening now — or if there were cases earlier that were wrongly diagnosed." [link to www.abc.net.au (secure)] Last Edited by TrustNoOneKS on 10/08/2019 11:07 AM I Want To Believe |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2590977 United States 10/08/2019 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I used to vape a bunch thinking it was a good alternative to cigs. I started notice I felt I was having a breathing issue. I quit it and all related nicotine cigs etc because shallow breathing really freaked me out. That’s as two years ago now but still feel my breathing never fully recovered though it’s not bad. I run etc.. but will never go back to smoking or vapes.. . It felt like I was dyin |
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taternuts
User ID: 78058223 United States 10/08/2019 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | could be bathe salts, for all the FDA knows, people do crazy things, and some people die.... doesn't mean that the majority must suffer tho....and have to stop... there a bigger agenda at work here, me thinks....it's wanting to police and tax a big selling item....they have been wanting to get a piece of since vapes hit the market. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77750823 United States 10/08/2019 11:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great post op. This is very good info considering all the disinformation floating around. Not to mention the sheep looking at me like a crack addict because I have a juul Quoting: Revo/elation I don’t look at you like a crack addict, I just see a braindead dipshit! Sorry, but only a fucking moron would stick that shit in their mouth! Don’t you feel the slightest bit retarded for even saying the word juul. Are you people 5? The fact that you need to mix fruity pebble flavors in your shit is one more sign of gayness! |
TrustNoOneKS
(OP) User ID: 76946759 United States 10/08/2019 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NC hospital spotted mystery vaping injury patterns early on "Most of the people affected bought their THC vaping cartridges from the streets or from dealers, according to CDC officials. Cartridges of vaping substances are being tested by the FDA to pinpoint what precisely is harming people. The FDA is also looking at links between THC substances and the presence of vitamin E, according to FDA officials. On Thursday, Schuchat also addressed discrepancies between the report by the WakeMed clinicians and a letter published this week in the New England Journal of Medicine by Mayo Clinic doctors that examined 17 different patients with vaping-related lung injuries and found no signs of lipoid pneumonia. She emphasized that both hypotheses could end up being true, given that so much is unknown about what is in vaping and e-cigarette cartridges and what is behind the recent lung injuries. 'It’s early days in understanding the full clinical spectrum and the pathology of lung injuries following e-cigarette use or vaping,' Schuchat said. The September WakeMed report came from a group of clinicians in North Carolina and I think it was very helpful in raising questions and alarms. 'There may be a lot of different nasty things in e-cigarettes or vaping products and they may cause different harms in the lungs,' she said." [link to www.northcarolinahealthnews.org (secure)] (Emphasis added) I Want To Believe |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77750823 United States 10/08/2019 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What many of us are vaping now is CO2 oil, skipping the PG and VG, vaping nothing but pure oil and terpenes. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76799292 3rd party lab tested, you are simply heating up pure extract, no oils added. [link to mysticrootscbd.com (secure)] It’s amazing how stupid the modern American male is... I would say man but you vaping dipshits don’t come close! Only millennials could manage to take smoking and turn it even gayer. Only millennials could take something pure like a plant, use 8000 chemicals to turn it into vapor and then pretend they are smoking something pure. If you vape, you are plain and simply a retarded attention seeking dipshit! No one wants to see your cloud you fucking child! |
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TrustNoOneKS
(OP) User ID: 76946759 United States 10/08/2019 11:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another article which seems to indicate that it just wasn't being connected to vaping until recently and why: Why the vaping lung illness crisis is exploding now, according to Boston doctors "Officials say the disease has affected people who vaped cannabis, nicotine, or both, and who used both legal and black-market products. Local doctors believe the vaping-related lung injuries have been going on much longer and affected far more people than officially reported. They say there are a host of reasons for the current crisis: toxic chemicals in the supply chain of vape products; clinicians previously only asked patients about cigarettes, not vaping; and more people are vaping now. 'I am confident that that official count is an underestimate,' Casey said. 'We weren’t asking the right questions.'” [link to www.bostonglobe.com (secure)] I Want To Believe |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77750823 United States 10/08/2019 11:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Cheap shit from China is doing this probably just like cheap pet food from China kills pets. Quoting: Butch DeFeo Boycott products from China that are put into a vaporizer, or into your mouth. Stupidity rules here. It's not cheap Chinese shit dumb ass. Its shit people are using here. They refuse to admit their own fault. Not very shocking considering the source. This is the generation that eats tide pods, is it really that shocking they walk around thinking the look cool by blowing huge clouds bro. They are fucking children who never grew up into actual men |