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More things that will go over your head

 
TlvmmCpoft  (OP)

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10/11/2019 05:22 PM
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Re: More things that will go over your head
Sometimes, the game is just not stacked in your favor.

In research circles, we know that correlation is not causation, and we clearly note which we are talking about when presenting our research in professional journals.

Correlation means there's a chance in hell something might be related, but causational research is needed to find out if it is.

Causation means there's a direct connection and that one thing does seem to have an effect on the other in a controlled setting.

However, the standardized professional writing manuals and styles of the APA (psychological writing), as well as MLA (frequently used in news writing), among others, do not allow for the level of uncertainty that correlation implies. They need to show certainty.

But, instead of sticking to subjects in which they can actually be certain, they falsely report correlational research as fact: "this research study proves."

This goes out to the public, and it also becomes the research affirming the need for public policy changes as well as industry standards and products.

The end result? A world in which shit research that does not even claim that it is valid becomes the basis on which decisions are made regarding what's in the air you inhale, the foods you eat, the ingredients in your shampoo, what your children are taught, and what your government imposes.

There is a systematic failure and we can all see the results.
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The problem at the very fundament of our society that has created this slow motion trainwreck is education. The way we teach kids is wrong, they grow up associating education with the wrong things and approaching it in the wrong light, results are lauded above effective curricula and age-appropriate study, and in the end most public and often private schools are more social boot camp than places of intellectual instruction.

Like almost everything else in Western culture, education has been approached as an industrial business: in the end you get unmotivated students that work under a lack of respect for the real process of determining the truth as opposed to getting a given conclusion. This is a generalization, but as a rule it has profound effects on society, from climatology to - as in your case - understanding of what we're putting into our bodies and exposing ourselves to.

It may be too late: the issue gets so little attention in favor of end-result practices like 'protesting for climate change' and research for the purpose of advertising that we may not have time to pull back before our bad habits end us.

When money is regarded as a central pillar of society and given precedence over the standard tenets such as education, obligation to democracy and due diligence, money will continue to dictate the trajectory of that society right up to and over the cliff of self-sabotage in its name.

We have to begin again at the bottom and change the way that citizens and children are taught, both about practicable phenomena like self-governance and about more abstract ideas like proper scientific process, language, politics, ethics and so on. Is there time for that? It's hard to say, but until society suffers a major breakdown (and the causes are properly identified), the chances of changing anything fundamental about it are slim.


Misprioritization combined with the technical ability to create and use chemicals for short-term purposes can and will end in a world swamped in long-term consequences. Only a fundamental pole shift can change a world like ours: we've followed the penny-piper as far as the river, and unless the spell is broken we'll have no option but to pile in and drown.
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Yeah. I used to argue that one - a lot. Children that grow into people who can only push buttons might be great if you're trying to manage and keep control of a society the lazy way. It creates a herd-maintained uniformity that cannot be attained otherwise.

However, that all falls to pieces when you need to see a decent doctor and one no longer exists, or when your neighbors and neighboring towns pollute not just their ground water, but yours as well.

Never mind when harmful government policies based on inaccurate information become so prolific that you either have to become a criminal or hop from country to country and state to state to avoid the growing number of policies and harm to your own person and health from those policies.

It's a losing battle. Anyone who hasn't already ducked and covered or run for it at least twice is most likely already a victim and will be even less likely to overcome it in the future due to their now-disabilities.

Last Edited by TlvmmCpoft on 10/11/2019 05:23 PM
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10/11/2019 05:26 PM
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Re: More things that will go over your head
Your observations are spot on. There is no better example than the farce being propagandised now about climate change!
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Yeah. That's one.

Unfortunately, everything gets mired in a research, media, and reaction structure that, by its nature, creates an inaccurate mess, thus creating a world that is equally a mess.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Like if the earth if round or not
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77700734


Let's play a game called guess who is on what planet.

What planet do you think that you are on, and define the word 'planet'.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3920163


A sphere that spits rain and shines brighter than lights and creatures that appear every 12 years.
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10/11/2019 05:30 PM
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Yeah. That's one.

Unfortunately, everything gets mired in a research, media, and reaction structure that, by its nature, creates an inaccurate mess, thus creating a world that is equally a mess.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Like if the earth if round or not
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77700734


Let's play a game called guess who is on what planet.

What planet do you think that you are on, and define the word 'planet'.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3920163


A sphere that spits rain and shines brighter than lights and creatures that appear every 12 years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77700734


We will be having a discussion on your 12/24 scam.

It is over.
TlvmmCpoft  (OP)

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10/11/2019 05:34 PM
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Re: More things that will go over your head
Your observations are spot on. There is no better example than the farce being propagandised now about climate change!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78073749


Yeah. That's one.

Unfortunately, everything gets mired in a research, media, and reaction structure that, by its nature, creates an inaccurate mess, thus creating a world that is equally a mess.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Like if the earth if round or not
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77700734


Let's play a game called guess who is on what planet.

What planet do you think that you are on, and define the word 'planet'.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3920163


I'd call it a petri dish, but I'm looking from a research standpoint at the moment.

Have you ever traveled extensively around the United States? When I did it back in the 90s, I noticed an interesting phenomenon. Despite most household products being national at the point, many new products were only tested on one state. So, there would be twenty roll outs of new products, and each state would get one of the products.

From a scientific perspective, it always looked like research, like they were treating each state's population as a petri dish.

If they weren't, they were wasting an opportunity.

Last Edited by TlvmmCpoft on 10/11/2019 05:35 PM
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Yeah. That's one.

Unfortunately, everything gets mired in a research, media, and reaction structure that, by its nature, creates an inaccurate mess, thus creating a world that is equally a mess.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Like if the earth if round or not
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77700734


Let's play a game called guess who is on what planet.

What planet do you think that you are on, and define the word 'planet'.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3920163


I'd call it a petri dish, but I'm looking from a research standpoint at the moment.

Have you ever traveled extensively around the United States? When I did it back in the 90s, I noticed an interesting phenomenon. Despite most household products being national at the point, many new products were only tested on one state. So, there would be twenty roll outs of new products, and each state would get one of the products.

From a scientific perspective, it always looked like research, like they were treating each state's population as a petri dish.

If they weren't, they were wasting an opportunity.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


A planet is a plane.

Take it from there.





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