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I Worked All Last Week At A Publc School As A Substitute Teacher In A Regular Elementary Classroon

 
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My wife’s a 4th grade teacher. The education system is definitely fucked up
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I don't really understand this post.

Sounds like bullshit?

You're a substitute teacher.

The real teacher is off.

The administrators want to handle the troubled kid because maybe they have experience or history working with that kid.

You now say the students have no support?

You're the fill in teacher.

You're not supposed to focus on the disabled kid.

You're supposed to handle the rest of the class.

what?

1) Severely Emotionally kid in the class had all the support of the Administrators.
2)Despite the fact that he nearly has totally has hijacked the classroom and was stealing teaching minutes away from the normal kids.
3) The normal kids had zero support except from me.
4) The teacher is out on a stress leave.
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My son was working on his masters to be a teacher. BA in History. He decided to stop three classes short and pursue another career which right now pays less but he doesn't care. He spent a few years as a teachers asst and worked summers teaching archery at a beautiful well run camp. The kids loved him and the archery electives were full every session.

But, he decided if kids were this bad in the summer outside having fun and active, they would be impossible in a class. I think he made a wise choice.

My kids went to Christian school, and they had to be behaved. At home it was the same. I can't imagine a room full of the kind of kids out there today.
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This was your opportunity to stand up as a teacher and take control of a classroom and have some fun.

Instead you failed and now you're quitting.

HAHAHAHAHA
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This was your opportunity to stand up as a teacher and take control of a classroom and have some fun.

Instead you failed and now you're quitting.

HAHAHAHAHA
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75756784


Going Galt maybe? There is a certain time that you realize the point of no return has come and gone. The smartest move is to watch this thing burn from the sidelines.

Anyone trying to do the right thing anymore will be persecuted for trying to slow the decline.

The best thing that can be done is to start competition with these failing school systems. To advocate for charter schools that will receive taxpayer money per pupil on equal standing with the public system's payout.

I bet a private institution that forbid PC/SJW concepts, could do the job for 1/2 the price and could take the rest of the cash to create an environment of excellence.
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Maybe I'm naive but is it possible he was just checking to see if your underwear was soaked before risking a misunderstanding like the one that happened. You made is sound like he was trying to do you a favor because you couldn't reach you mother for a change of close. Sounds like this guy might have gotten the shaft for no reason. No, you should not feel guilty about this possibility. Just throwing it out there because I would never harm a child but I would try to help save them from sitting all day in wet cloths. Some old timers thought you could catch a cold that way. My grandma did. Lol

Anyway, if he just had you sit there in your underwear, not naked, while your pants dried on the heat vent or radiator, not sure he had anything dangerous in mind. Glad to know the replacement principle was so well respected to have a street named after her. It sounds like this situation led to a blessing for all the students under you.

No, I do not believe you were molested if he didn't touch you where he shouldn't. Thanks for sharing. It is a strange world. My girlfriend is very protective of her boy and never let him go into daycare until he was five, and only after she and her ex thoroughly investigated the school. I think she is too protective to the point it might keep him from enjoying a real childhood. She claims she won't do sleepovers and won't let anybody else drive him around. She attends all field trips mainly for this reason. She's over protective. I don't believe there's a bogie monster in every school and household as much as the media would like us to believe.

Again, maybe I'm naive.
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... naive ... and wondering just how old you are? ... and if you have any children? ... there is NO WAY ANYONE should be having a child do what this man did!!! ...
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Our family celebrates The Lord's Feasts:
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Fools and the dead don't change their minds. Fools won't and the dead can't.

When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar. You are only telling the world that you fear what he might say. Quoting: CountryWise

Amos 5:13 - Therefore at such a time the prudent person keeps silent, for it is an evil time.
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This was your opportunity to stand up as a teacher and take control of a classroom and have some fun.

Instead you failed and now you're quitting.

HAHAHAHAHA
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75756784

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... really? ... and in which school/class have you been teaching? ...
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Our family celebrates The Lord's Feasts:
[link to www.grafted-promise.net]

Fools and the dead don't change their minds. Fools won't and the dead can't.

When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar. You are only telling the world that you fear what he might say. Quoting: CountryWise

Amos 5:13 - Therefore at such a time the prudent person keeps silent, for it is an evil time.
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A conservative estimate is that at least half (50%!) of all kids in school are on some type of drug to moderate their behavior. Seriously, the tendency these days is to put kids on drugs of some kind or another. Who knows what these psychotropic medications do to kids long term.
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Prozac is a capsule of fluoride

Dumbing down the kids

Younger and younger
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the admin are liberal pedophiles


and the teachers are borderline personality liberal bitches and the makes are openly gay child molesters
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I do have a personal story to share regarding pedo school administrators and I'll share it, to help keep this thread alive, because this is a worthy thread.

I don't believe there's a boogie monster in every school and household as much as the media would like us to believe.

Again, maybe I'm naive.
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Where's the Edit button around here? I rewrote the above for clarity.
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I was just going through this thread and noticed this brief and simple post from the AC who edited my story, and I want to say thank you.

I can see you took the time and effort to not only read the story, but you made very helpful editorial corrections that make the story more readable.

If you were a GLP member I would certainly send you some good karma.

But I don't think you made the editorial corrections expecting any kind of reward. Yet, you deserve a sincere thanks.

As a writer (which you obviously are) I'm sure you appreciate that the writer and editor are essentially a team, because a good editor can take a raw story and make it shine.

Given that this thread is about the state of education in our world today, I'm taking a moment to write this as an example of how our most fundamental subjects of English and Mathematics are so severely lacking that our students are falling far behind compared to what we once were capable of, and against our global competition.

Reading and comprehension are learned skills that require quality teachers and significant practice. By no means do I consider myself a fine writer, but I hope I write effectively enough to get my message across without causing the reader to struggle. Am I making my point, or is this confusing?

Allow me to clarify, and I'll try to tie this up into a tight knot (if I can).

How in the world do we expect to have our children mature into educated adults if a classroom is packed with 30 kids of which 1/3 are mentally and emotionally challenged. And let's include those who are simply trouble makers, or bored, or just average and trying their best?

Well, I have the answer, and it is not necessarily good. It's called technology; the same technology that allows me to correct my poor spelling, and make changes, and type this into a computer to be sent instantly all around the world.

And next comes the voice recognition software so we will no longer even need to type and make an attempt at proper grammar. And then comes AI, as it prepares to make a human/machine interface that we call transhumanism. It may require a micro-chip implant. Elon Musk has been speaking about something called a 'neural net' for the brain. This merging of man and machine is our future, and it is much closer than most of us can imagine. In fact, it is already here; we have the technology.

Where does that put us? What are the future plans for education? Is there possibly something more sinister about the rise in Autism and other associated learning disabilities that are actually a planned step in moving our children towards this transhumanism future?

It would be as simple as the school administrators telling parents that their child is significantly learning disabled and will never have an opportunity at a successful life. But....We have this great SOLUTION! It's a micro-chip, that will upgrade your child's intelligence, and link his brain into the World Wide Web via a 5G connection. And guess what?

We have a few more upgrades available as well. How far do you want your child to go, because we are ready to launch her into the 5th dimension.

Are you ready?

Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

(Yeah, this was long, so feel free to edit it for style and clarity if you will)

Thanks,
Marlin!
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They are purposely destroying the kids. Most parents are too busy chasing the dollar to know what's even happening to their own kids.
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This was your opportunity to stand up as a teacher and take control of a classroom and have some fun.

Instead you failed and now you're quitting.

HAHAHAHAHA
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75756784


Going Galt maybe? There is a certain time that you realize the point of no return has come and gone. The smartest move is to watch this thing burn from the sidelines.

Anyone trying to do the right thing anymore will be persecuted for trying to slow the decline.

The best thing that can be done is to start competition with these failing school systems. To advocate for charter schools that will receive taxpayer money per pupil on equal standing with the public system's payout.

I bet a private institution that forbid PC/SJW concepts, could do the job for 1/2 the price and could take the rest of the cash to create an environment of excellence.
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We actually do have competition in Canadian schools. Most cities have two school boards - a public school board, and a Catholic school board which is also publicly funded.

The thing is that you don't have to be Catholic to send your children to the Catholic school or to vote in the Catholic school board election. While renters and homeowners alike must chose whether they vote in the public school board or Catholic school board elections, the actual funding of the schools is based on attendance.

I had three children. One went to the Catholic school for the superior language programs. One went to the Public School because she believed it had a better music program. The youngest went to the Catholic school for the soccer team.
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It’s past time to keep the retards and the mentally ill separate from the normal kids.

They’re doing nothing but dragging everyone down with them, and they odds of them being anything but a drain on society is slim to none.

Treason and anti-Americanism runs deep.
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I don't really understand this post.

Sounds like bullshit?

You're a substitute teacher.

The real teacher is off.

The administrators want to handle the troubled kid because maybe they have experience or history working with that kid.

You now say the students have no support?

You're the fill in teacher.

You're not supposed to focus on the disabled kid.

You're supposed to handle the rest of the class.

what?

1) Severely Emotionally kid in the class had all the support of the Administrators.
2)Despite the fact that he nearly has totally has hijacked the classroom and was stealing teaching minutes away from the normal kids.
3) The normal kids had zero support except from me.
4) The teacher is out on a stress leave.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75756784


Not bullshit. I'm the OP that started this post. When I say that the normal kids had zero support I am telling you that the Out of Control kid was being allowed by the Administrators to steal their instructional minutes away because the Administrators were either incompetent or their hands were tied by the Special Educator at the campus. No way should a kid like that have been placed in a Regular Education setting. Out of Control means he was Out of Control. Maybe they didn't want him in the office because he would have tore it to pieces?
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Welcome to the public school system. 20% of kids are special education these days, and they are put into the regular education classroom regardless of type of disability, and often without any type of extra help like a para or co-teacher, unless it is an academic classroom. Then you have all the behavior issues, which might be special needs kids and might be regular ed kids. So in any classroom of 30 kids (yes, that is how large our classrooms are these days), you end up with as many as 10 who are totally needy as far as academic help and behavioral support. The other 20 are just pretty much on their own. And we wonder why kids get into high school and cannot read or write worth a darn, and cannot do simple math such as figuring percentages.
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30 kids in a class is not a large class. Even in small towns in the 50's and 60's, that was a normal class size. Not overcrowded, plenty of teacher attention for all.

But, special needs kids do belong in their own classes with teachers trained to deal with their needs.
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When these children have their frequent meltdowns, the entire class is evacuated and they have control of the classroom to rant and rave. The classroom then looks like a war zone and where the other kids are relocated to is anyones guess. They are frequently provided their own paraprofessional/ employee which is not financially sustainable, and they never get to financial independence or educational accomplishment. Many in the regular classroom are non verbal and may not be toilet trained. The regular education children are shortchanged in school and still have to be financially responsible for these children for life. It was a brilliant way to reduce education to the least common denominator. Clearly these special kids can’t handle the regular classroom. I thought it was barbaric to leave them out of school in previous generations, but those educators weren’t wrong. They are disruptive if anything.
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everyone is equal so u must teach the class at the level of the dumbest retard. failure to do that will get u fired.if 1 kid shows any intelligence bye bye job.

didn't u pay attention in college. they taught u how to not be a REAL teacher. u musta played hookey that day.
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LOL LOL LOL this is too funny lol Civilization is falling apart. The ones who believe it is really like this are getting pissed off and the ones who think this is correct are losing their minds lol So therefore civilization is doomed.

Oh by the way....if you really believe this is how things are going what should we do about it ? Civil war ? Voting ? Protest ? Boycott ? Pray ? Hope for alien intervention ? ....what ? what you gonna do about it homie ? lol
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civilization is crashing and burning and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it. I say sit back and enjoy the downward spiral....weeeeeeewwwwww ..some fun aye ? LOL
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I think it is all part of the communist agenda that has been in the works since the late 60's.


I feel bad for those teachers who are not full blown liberals and just want to do the right thing. The school administrations will not put up with teachers who want to teach. That is not acceptable. Only indoctrination.


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I don't blame the teachers. I blame the School Administrators with the 6 figure incomes who could not in their wildest dreams, control the out of control kids for two minutes. The other kids are being taught by Administrators that Oppositional Defiance wins! Teachers that retire are retiring sick because of burnout
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the admin are liberal pedophiles


and the teachers are borderline personality liberal bitches and the makes are openly gay child molesters
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I do have a personal story to share regarding pedo school administrators and I'll share it, to help keep this thread alive, because this is a worthy thread.

When I was in 4th grade, after coming in from recess during a winter month, my pants were soaking wet because I had been playing in the snow. My teacher sent me to the office so I could call my mom and have dry pants brought to me.

At the principal's office, I called my mom, but she did not answer the phone. The principal came out of his office and and after I told him why I was there, he told me to come into his office...and he closed the door.

He was a nice man (or so I thought, I was only a kid) and he said, "Now let's see how wet your pants are?" and he put his hands into my front pockets.

I just stood there, and I thought that was odd. Then he said something like, "Go ahead and take your pants off, and I'll put them on this heater so they dry quickly, and then you can go back to class."

Once again, I trusted men and it seemed no different to me than being in a locker room. And it made sense, because my wet pants were really uncomfortable. Like most kids of that era, I was wearing my tighty whitey underpants, and I felt a bit foolish standing there in the principals office, just waiting for my jeans to dry.

He didn't do anything else, but maybe that's because he did not have time. By some chance, a woman who was a close family friend and very active in the school showed up. Even the school officials feared her. The school secretary called the principal on his speaker phone to inform him she was there to see him. He suddenly said to me,

"Well, put your pants on I think they are dry now."

I took my pants, but they were not even close to dry, so I pulled them on and the principal told me that, "This was our secret, because he was trying to help me, but I shouldn't say anything because he didn't want us to get into trouble."

When I came out of his office, our family friend looked at me with that dissapointed and angry look. She said, "And what are you in trouble for?"

Boy, was I glad I could actually say, "Nothing."

So, why was I in the principal's office.

I just said my pants were wet, and I was standing in front of the heater to dry off."

She said, "I know where your mom is, I'll take you home."

Like I said earlier, everyone feared this woman for the incredible power she had in the school district.

To me, as a kid, I didn't think there was anything to all this. I had no idea what was happening....until that evening when the police showed up at my house.

And so did our family friend, and my parents were not surprised that the cops were at our door. We sat down together and I was instructed that it was very important to tell the truth. So I did.

I told the police it was no big deal, and it was my fault my pants were wet because I was rolling around in the snow wearing blue jeans. They didn't seem to care about that one bit. What they had many questions about was the principal putting his hands in my pockets. They did not even seem concerned that my pants were off so they could dry on the heater.

They wanted to know exactly how the principal's hands were put into my pockets. I remember the cop asking me if the principal, with his hands in my pockets, accidently touched my private parts. "I don't think so." I replied.

Needless to say, I'm writing this because I was very fortunate that nothing more happened, and I did not understand the full meaning of what happened until I was older.

For the principal, he just disappeared. The next day we were informed that we had a new substitute principal (a woman) and that was it. This woman ultimately became our full time principal, and years later after serving the school district in great capacity actually had the street in front of the school named after her.

Oddly, I always felt a little bit guilty about this as if it were my fault he got fired. I was so naive. It was years later I learned the full story, and this principal putting his hands down my pants to see if my pants were wet was actually a pedophile just trying to get his jollies on an innocent little boy. Now it seems so obvious because I know so much more. Back then, I did not even know what gay was. I had no idea.

So I write this lengthy story because the trust we put into adults who care for our children is so easily taken for granted. It could happen to anyone, because that is how predators hunt; for targets of opportunity.

And the other lesson is, we must have active and powerful parents in our schools who can and will suddenly drop by for spot inspections (so to speak) and keep these potential predators away.

Finally, I've never been molested and I'm still not sure if this situation counts as a molestation, but to the adults and police at that time (1980) it was a big deal. It just shows how easily a young, innocent boy who looks up to his male leadership can be a victim without actual sexual contact. And from what I've learned over the years by speaking with friends....I was lucky, because it could have ended up a whole lot worse. My case was actually all-to-common.
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I was watching the evening news when a young man was stating how Principal Joe Blow, city of Atlanta schools, had given him HIV/Aids. He was now trying to sue Atlanta Public Schools, but there was a problem with the statute of limitations. I knew Joe Blow, from a summer program for talented students. I never found him particularly smart, but I never saw in him that he would hurt a child! I couldn’t figure out how a principal could find the time for sexual activity during the day. The now adult male said that man destroyed my life. The name is different but the city is correct.
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