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So, I mentioned something (possibly classified) in another post, just because it was part of the conversation, and it got me thinking.

How the hell does one define loyalty in this situation?

Hear me out...

I was living with someone in intelligence, and a dirty one at that. When I hit 18, they set me up in a dorm, posed me as an incoming freshman, drugged the living fuck out of me until I thought I was 8 years old, and then hand-guided me through signing the papers in a recruitment setup for a DoD contract that not one person I knew on campus was insane enough to sign for. She was right there with me in the office for every page and every signature.

That night she stole my bankbook. In retrospect, I think she may have been running an identity theft scam on me and a scam on the contractor - collecting the money from them in my name. Since she was working with them, she could probably cover for my workload and get an extra paycheck. That's just a theory, though, although it fits with her general behavior.

I never received any money that I knew about, couldn't remember enough details about the signing to know which HR office to go to and argue it, and wasn't sure if I was just nuts, anyway. The after effects of those drugs aren't exactly nice. They leave you with mental whiplash.

So, I went about my life.

Occasionally, things would happen that make me wonder, like I was brought in for a reading of a several hundred page manual on protocol for research within classified protocol (it was a double whammy, essentially you wear two hats - first you are company and tow their line and keep all secrets, then you are a researcher and do what you can get done within that first structure). I didn't know why I was there so I just smiled and nodded my way through and hoped they wouldn't stick me in some military prison.

Another time, someone found me in town, brought me to a military bunker, and they gave both of us directions on what we needed to do in town, as if I worked for them. Again, I smiled and nodded and prayed I wasn't going to end up in prison.

There were a lot of these moments over the years, which is where a lot of my knowledge comes from that makes me stop and wonder - Is this classified? Should I be sharing this? Am I still "employed" legally speaking or was this just how life in America goes on some days?

Then the notary showed up. At my doorstep. At three in the morning. With her.

I hadn't been to sleep yet. i'd been up trying to write a 5,000-word eBook that was due to a client the next day (I'm a massive procrastinator).

I was lucid but not entirely by the time we sat down together in the living room, like someone had half roofied me. They had me sign papers. I did. I have no idea what they were. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say she was still collecting that fake pay check and needed my signature on something, but that's just a guess.

But, if you're still reading...

Here's the conundrum.

The signing of those papers isn't legally binding. Name one court in this world that says you can drug the living fuck out of someone, have them sign a contract, have them complete work, and someone else receives the pay. that's both fraud and slavery, among other things. And the DoD contractor, as the hiring office, should have been responsible enough to notice the con or at least drug test me and fire me.

So, I have all of this information - some of which may or may not be classified - what is stopping me from sharing it? I have no legal obligation to keep it secret.

This isn't a threat. Hell, I've already shared most of it.

But the question is, where should my loyalty be?

To a country that can't see slavery and fraud under its own nose?

To a modern slave-owner?

To "the people" - whatever the hell that even means these days?

Do I do more harm than good when I speak? And if I should care, who am I caring about, exactly?

Last Edited by TlvmmCpoft on 10/13/2019 02:58 PM
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Anyway, even if all of the signing was for a different one of her many con jobs, that still leaves me off the hook - I've either never signed confidentiality papers or I've never signed them sober and aware. Same thing.

Either way, those who dragged me along or shared things are responsible for either A) dragging along a civilian or B) ignoring the blinding obvious - that I was half stoned and had no idea what the hell they were talking about. In which case, I'm wondering why I should be loyal to morons.

Last Edited by TlvmmCpoft on 10/13/2019 02:27 PM
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Oh, come on. I help you people decide which body part to put your AI sauce on.
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Oh, come on. I help you people decide which body part to put your AI sauce on.
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Tabasco on your anus so you receive an alert when you get fucked again being drugged.
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How do you expect people that are drugged out of their motherfucking minds to remember contracts?
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How do you expect people that are drugged out of their motherfucking minds to remember contracts?
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I remembered enough of those two and at least one other time. God knows how many times I don't remember. She was just a drug addict with a government job who used her work to do side "projects" to fuel her addiction. Just your average con artist and leech when it comes down to it.
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Oh, come on. I help you people decide which body part to put your AI sauce on.
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Tabasco on your anus so you receive an alert when you get fucked again being drugged.
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Well, I suppose that's equal advice to what I said about the AI sauce.
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Oh, come on. I help you people decide which body part to put your AI sauce on.
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Given the complexity AND confusion surrounding the situation, and this is me trying to put myself in the situation you described, I'd be in "I need to be loyal to myself above everything", but that's just me.

Doing the "right" thing is often doing the thing I'd rather not do in my experience. The degree of difficulty is very positively correlated with the degree to which it's the appropriate course of action.

But that's just me.
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Oh, come on. I help you people decide which body part to put your AI sauce on.
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Given the complexity AND confusion surrounding the situation, and this is me trying to put myself in the situation you described, I'd be in "I need to be loyal to myself above everything", but that's just me.

Doing the "right" thing is often doing the thing I'd rather not do in my experience. The degree of difficulty is very positively correlated with the degree to which it's the appropriate course of action.

But that's just me.
 Quoting: Larry D. Croc


That's the thing, the selfish thing is to do something for oneself, but usually oneself is at least connected to a country, or a family...something or someplace to keep protected for one's own, well, protection.

I genuinely feel like everyone dropped the ball and I don't have that.

Let's say I'm right on what those particular documents were for - that's complete corruption inside government to the point they're running false "employees" for cash.

Even if I'm not, that bitch sold me into so many other things. she was just an equal opportunity exploiter

- illegal jobs

- general jobs

- paid research studies in which she collected the stipend (I'd been in everything from the guinea pig in testing new MRI equipment before it hit the market to new medications in testing - and I didn't have the health conditions - she was doing the same double con - using me to get cash from a company by posing me as a legitimate worker/patient/etc while she pocketed the cash).

I was in a society that couldn't protect a toddler, couldn't protect a child, couldn't help an adult. A society that could not fight its way out of a paper bag and with a government that painted it all over and kept that paper bag sealed tight.

When I save myself and the land I stand on, what land am I saving?

Because that's not somewhere secure to stand.
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Anyway, even if all of the signing was for a different one of her many con jobs, that still leaves me off the hook - I've either never signed confidentiality papers or I've never signed them sober and aware. Same thing.

Either way, those who dragged me along or shared things are responsible for either A) dragging along a civilian or B) ignoring the blinding obvious - that I was half stoned and had no idea what the hell they were talking about. In which case, I'm wondering why I should be loyal to morons.
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I'm wondering besides for the possibility that your handler wanted to collect the $ from your payments as you suspect, why they wouldn't just find someone who would sign the papers and work with them while having a non drugged coherent mind?
Surely they are 10's of thousands of people across the globe who willingly work for nefarious or secret govt. agencies.
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Anyway, even if all of the signing was for a different one of her many con jobs, that still leaves me off the hook - I've either never signed confidentiality papers or I've never signed them sober and aware. Same thing.

Either way, those who dragged me along or shared things are responsible for either A) dragging along a civilian or B) ignoring the blinding obvious - that I was half stoned and had no idea what the hell they were talking about. In which case, I'm wondering why I should be loyal to morons.
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I'm wondering besides for the possibility that your handler wanted to collect the $ from your payments as you suspect, why they wouldn't just find someone who would sign the papers and work with them while having a non drugged coherent mind?
Surely they are 10's of thousands of people across the globe who willingly work for nefarious or secret govt. agencies.
 Quoting: LTHN.


She was a recruiter, but you get more money if you can steal and con it than you get when you work within your job description.

Some people don't have common sense and morals. They replace those with cash.
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

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Oh, come on. I help you people decide which body part to put your AI sauce on.
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Given the complexity AND confusion surrounding the situation, and this is me trying to put myself in the situation you described, I'd be in "I need to be loyal to myself above everything", but that's just me.

Doing the "right" thing is often doing the thing I'd rather not do in my experience. The degree of difficulty is very positively correlated with the degree to which it's the appropriate course of action.

But that's just me.
 Quoting: Larry D. Croc


That's the thing, the selfish thing is to do something for oneself, but usually oneself is at least connected to a country, or a family...something or someplace to keep protected for one's own, well, protection.

I genuinely feel like everyone dropped the ball and I don't have that.

Let's say I'm right on what those particular documents were for - that's complete corruption inside government to the point they're running false "employees" for cash.

Even if I'm not, that bitch sold me into so many other things. she was just an equal opportunity exploiter

- illegal jobs

- general jobs

- paid research studies in which she collected the stipend (I'd been in everything from the guinea pig in testing new MRI equipment before it hit the market to new medications in testing - and I didn't have the health conditions - she was doing the same double con - using me to get cash from a company by posing me as a legitimate worker/patient/etc while she pocketed the cash).

I was in a society that couldn't protect a toddler, couldn't protect a child, couldn't help an adult. A society that could not fight its way out of a paper bag and with a government that painted it all over and kept that paper bag sealed tight.

When I save myself and the land I stand on, what land am I saving?

Because that's not somewhere secure to stand.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Again speaking only for myself, my life became wonderfully simplified when I focused and acted on those things over which I had control. Which meant "me". Not in an egotistical sense and not in a selfish sense.

If, in a given situation I've done my best, done what I consider the ethical thing, whatever, it becomes a case of que sera, sera. Not fatalistically, but realistically.

The day I stopped worrying about "them" and took some time to focus on myself was a very liberating day.

Reading between the lines (dangerous I realize) I sense a desire to salvage a sense of self and recapture a sense of personal integrity. That perception influences my comments significantly; if you can't look "you" in the mirror life becomes a pretty dark state of existence. And regardless how the sun may be shining it stops at your skin...
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Oh, come on. I help you people decide which body part to put your AI sauce on.
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Given the complexity AND confusion surrounding the situation, and this is me trying to put myself in the situation you described, I'd be in "I need to be loyal to myself above everything", but that's just me.

Doing the "right" thing is often doing the thing I'd rather not do in my experience. The degree of difficulty is very positively correlated with the degree to which it's the appropriate course of action.

But that's just me.
 Quoting: Larry D. Croc


That's the thing, the selfish thing is to do something for oneself, but usually oneself is at least connected to a country, or a family...something or someplace to keep protected for one's own, well, protection.

I genuinely feel like everyone dropped the ball and I don't have that.

Let's say I'm right on what those particular documents were for - that's complete corruption inside government to the point they're running false "employees" for cash.

Even if I'm not, that bitch sold me into so many other things. she was just an equal opportunity exploiter

- illegal jobs

- general jobs

- paid research studies in which she collected the stipend (I'd been in everything from the guinea pig in testing new MRI equipment before it hit the market to new medications in testing - and I didn't have the health conditions - she was doing the same double con - using me to get cash from a company by posing me as a legitimate worker/patient/etc while she pocketed the cash).

I was in a society that couldn't protect a toddler, couldn't protect a child, couldn't help an adult. A society that could not fight its way out of a paper bag and with a government that painted it all over and kept that paper bag sealed tight.

When I save myself and the land I stand on, what land am I saving?

Because that's not somewhere secure to stand.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Again speaking only for myself, my life became wonderfully simplified when I focused and acted on those things over which I had control. Which meant "me". Not in an egotistical sense and not in a selfish sense.

If, in a given situation I've done my best, done what I consider the ethical thing, whatever, it becomes a case of que sera, sera. Not fatalistically, but realistically.

The day I stopped worrying about "them" and took some time to focus on myself was a very liberating day.

Reading between the lines (dangerous I realize) I sense a desire to salvage a sense of self and recapture a sense of personal integrity. That perception influences my comments significantly; if you can't look "you" in the mirror life becomes a pretty dark state of existence. And regardless how the sun may be shining it stops at your skin...
 Quoting: Larry D. Croc


Yeah, and it makes sense, but you say that as someone with ground to stand on.

Do you know why Israelis are such assholes (and why I happen to like them more than the American version of them)?

Because they didn't have a place to call home until they took that land. Because they're still struggling to keep it.

When I fight for me, I'd like to know what ground I have to stand on so I know who to damage and who to avoid damaging.

Right now, I'm just floating out here randomly targeting whatever.

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The ground you have to stand on may be minuscule given some of the other things you've written.

I've always headed for the highest ground I could find that had a clear field of view. Never guaranteed me a victory but at least I could see them coming for me with as much notice as possible AND moved the odds in my favor.

This is where, in previous lives, I'd sit down with a nice thick pad and start making notes on a variety of subjects:

Action...resources available to take this action...probability of success? Cost of loss?

Where I'm vulnerable...how easy is it for that to be known/exploited...can I stand that loss?

How do I truly know what I think I know vs. do I believe things with no basis for the belief? (I truly despise my own blind spots...)

Is there any advantage to be gained by engaging at a particular time?

Which variables am I considering and are those variables dependent or independent of one another.
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The ground you have to stand on may be minuscule given some of the other things you've written.

I've always headed for the highest ground I could find that had a clear field of view. Never guaranteed me a victory but at least I could see them coming for me with as much notice as possible AND moved the odds in my favor.

This is where, in previous lives, I'd sit down with a nice thick pad and start making notes on a variety of subjects:

Action...resources available to take this action...probability of success? Cost of loss?

Where I'm vulnerable...how easy is it for that to be known/exploited...can I stand that loss?

How do I truly know what I think I know vs. do I believe things with no basis for the belief? (I truly despise my own blind spots...)

Is there any advantage to be gained by engaging at a particular time?

Which variables am I considering and are those variables dependent or independent of one another.
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Your previous life self wasn't wondering what country they're going to be able to retire in without the rug disappearing out from under them.

I bet they were awesome with a sword though :)
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The ground you have to stand on may be minuscule given some of the other things you've written.

I've always headed for the highest ground I could find that had a clear field of view. Never guaranteed me a victory but at least I could see them coming for me with as much notice as possible AND moved the odds in my favor.

This is where, in previous lives, I'd sit down with a nice thick pad and start making notes on a variety of subjects:

Action...resources available to take this action...probability of success? Cost of loss?

Where I'm vulnerable...how easy is it for that to be known/exploited...can I stand that loss?

How do I truly know what I think I know vs. do I believe things with no basis for the belief? (I truly despise my own blind spots...)

Is there any advantage to be gained by engaging at a particular time?

Which variables am I considering and are those variables dependent or independent of one another.
 Quoting: Larry D. Croc


Your previous life self wasn't wondering what country they're going to be able to retire in without the rug disappearing out from under them.

I bet they were awesome with a sword though :)
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You can't plan for every contingency but you can look at who has what sort of extradition history, theoretically speaking of course.
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The ground you have to stand on may be minuscule given some of the other things you've written.

I've always headed for the highest ground I could find that had a clear field of view. Never guaranteed me a victory but at least I could see them coming for me with as much notice as possible AND moved the odds in my favor.

This is where, in previous lives, I'd sit down with a nice thick pad and start making notes on a variety of subjects:

Action...resources available to take this action...probability of success? Cost of loss?

Where I'm vulnerable...how easy is it for that to be known/exploited...can I stand that loss?

How do I truly know what I think I know vs. do I believe things with no basis for the belief? (I truly despise my own blind spots...)

Is there any advantage to be gained by engaging at a particular time?

Which variables am I considering and are those variables dependent or independent of one another.
 Quoting: Larry D. Croc


Your previous life self wasn't wondering what country they're going to be able to retire in without the rug disappearing out from under them.

I bet they were awesome with a sword though :)
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


You can't plan for every contingency but you can look at who has what sort of extradition history, theoretically speaking of course.
 Quoting: Larry D. Croc


Those kind of contingencies I've had running in the background for decades.

Everything in my control, I've done, and worked to do, and built on.

Doesn't help the situation I've been stuck with. I'm the one who gets to deal with and pay for the long term consequences of all of those "jobs," so I'm essentially paying twice. Some of them are astronomical and will take two lifetimes of paperwork to undo with half a lifetime of health left.... after I paid tens of thousands to MDs to resurrect that health, and thus myself.

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You should be loyal to yourself.

period.

you know as well as I the only power these fucks have over you is what you let them take.

Thats why they need to drug people.

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I'd be daydreaming about a "new" passport and then trying to make my dreams come true...depending on how much and how quickly I could get liquid from an asset standpoint.
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I'd be daydreaming about a "new" passport and then trying to make my dreams come true...depending on how much and how quickly I could get liquid from an asset standpoint.
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Don't go Maltese. chuckle
No, seriously, don't. They drag it out for decades and refuse most applications.

I wasn't trying to get that one, but it was hard not to see what was going on.
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The ground you have to stand on may be minuscule given some of the other things you've written.

I've always headed for the highest ground I could find that had a clear field of view. Never guaranteed me a victory but at least I could see them coming for me with as much notice as possible AND moved the odds in my favor.

This is where, in previous lives, I'd sit down with a nice thick pad and start making notes on a variety of subjects:

Action...resources available to take this action...probability of success? Cost of loss?

Where I'm vulnerable...how easy is it for that to be known/exploited...can I stand that loss?

How do I truly know what I think I know vs. do I believe things with no basis for the belief? (I truly despise my own blind spots...)

Is there any advantage to be gained by engaging at a particular time?

Which variables am I considering and are those variables dependent or independent of one another.
 Quoting: Larry D. Croc


Your previous life self wasn't wondering what country they're going to be able to retire in without the rug disappearing out from under them.

I bet they were awesome with a sword though :)
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None of the information you have released is endangering innocent people from what I have seen.


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Understandablely you were allegedly drugged.

Whenever I sign papers, I will specify that I have to have printed copies immediately otherwise I will not sign the documents.

I also take a pic of each page of the document with my cell phone, a mere flip phone, before turning in said document.

AGREE with previous poster, YOUR LOYALTY IS TO YOURSELF FIRST.

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You should be loyal to yourself.

period.

you know as well as I the only power these fucks have over you is what you let them take.

Thats why they need to drug people.

secureteam0@protonmail is encrypted. talk.
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seriously.. btdt. connect.
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The ground you have to stand on may be minuscule given some of the other things you've written.

I've always headed for the highest ground I could find that had a clear field of view. Never guaranteed me a victory but at least I could see them coming for me with as much notice as possible AND moved the odds in my favor.

This is where, in previous lives, I'd sit down with a nice thick pad and start making notes on a variety of subjects:

Action...resources available to take this action...probability of success? Cost of loss?

Where I'm vulnerable...how easy is it for that to be known/exploited...can I stand that loss?

How do I truly know what I think I know vs. do I believe things with no basis for the belief? (I truly despise my own blind spots...)

Is there any advantage to be gained by engaging at a particular time?

Which variables am I considering and are those variables dependent or independent of one another.
 Quoting: Larry D. Croc


Your previous life self wasn't wondering what country they're going to be able to retire in without the rug disappearing out from under them.

I bet they were awesome with a sword though :)
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None of the information you have released is endangering innocent people from what I have seen.


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I suppose it depends which version of 4D chess you are playing.

My mention of a military bunker near a town was what got me thinking and starting this thread.

Maybe people aren't supposed to know it exists?
Am I endangering military personnel on their own soil?
Is that really a good thing to do?
Should I give a fuck considering how much the US turned a blind eye to exploitation that was so blindingly obvious that some of it's actually in their own records?

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And there always is going AWOL
Statistics are like a bikini, what they reveal is suggestive what they conceal is vital
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Understandablely you were allegedly drugged.

Whenever I sign papers, I will specify that I have to have printed copies immediately otherwise I will not sign the documents.

I also take a pic of each page of the document with my cell phone, a mere flip phone, before turning in said document.

AGREE with previous poster, YOUR LOYALTY IS TO YOURSELF FIRST.
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Warning, rant ahead.

At that first signing on campus, I was talking about how we would be going for ice cream after. I'm sorry, but if you've got one of those assholes from intelligence in the room and the person next to them is all excited for a fucking ice cream cone and is rushing through signing to get it...take a goddamn moment and consider if they're sober or not.

Good idea about the pics, in general.

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And there always is going AWOL
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I just want to untangle things properly, put them in their place, and not leave a giant mess.

I wish that wasn't such an astronomical task.
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

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Oh, come on. I help you people decide which body part to put your AI sauce on.
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You should be loyal to yourself.

period.

you know as well as I the only power these fucks have over you is what you let them take.

Thats why they need to drug people.

secureteam0@protonmail is encrypted. talk.
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seriously.. btdt. connect.
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With the luck I'm having today, it's probably been intercepted or died a sad death at the bottom of a spam filter.
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Oh, come on. I help you people decide which body part to put your AI sauce on.
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