The RAPTURE and the Tribulation Saints.

Martha said to the Lord that her brother Lazarus would "...rise again in the resurrection at the last day.” [John 11:24]

Martha was referring to her brother rising again, in a glorified body, on the last day of this age. The last day of this age is the great day [day 21/22 month 7] of the feast of tabernacles.

Hence we read: "On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying..." [John 7:37]

The day will mark the end of this age. For we read: You shall keep the Feast...of Ingathering at THE END OF THE YEAR, when you have gathered in the fruit of your labors from the field. [Exod.23:15,16]

"...hold fast what you have till I come. And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until THE END..." [Rev.2:25, 26]

"The end" being the end of the year marked by the last day of the feast of tabernacles! This will be on the 20th/21st of October 2019.

"Jesus said to...[Martha], “I am the resurrection and the [everlasting] life [that produces it]. He who believes in Me, though he may die [before the end of the age], he shall live [again on the last day in a glorified body]. And whoever lives [that is, whoever is still physically alive on the last day] and believes in Me shall never die [because their bodies will be changed from mortality to immortality]. Do you believe this?” She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”[John 11:25 - 27][words in bracket are all mine]

From Martha's response to the Lord's question we know she has everlasting life and will therefore resurrect in a glorified body when the Lord comes for us in the Rapture, on the last day, which is the great day of the feast of tabernacles!

"...on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the fruit of the land, you shall keep the feast of the Lord for seven days..." [Lev.23:39]

The last day for us to gather in fruits of righteousness, according to the Hebrew Calendar, was on the 14th of October 2019.

In Nehemiah we read: And they found written in the Law, which the Lord had commanded by Moses, that the children of Israel should dwell in booths during the feast of the seventh month, and that they should announce and proclaim in all their cities and in Jerusalem, saying, “Go out to the mountain, and bring olive branches, branches of oil trees, myrtle branches, palm branches, and branches of leafy trees, to make booths, as it is written.” Then the people went out and brought them and made themselves booths, each one on the roof of his house, or in their courtyards or the courts of the house of God, and in the open square of the Water Gate and in the open square of the Gate of Ephraim. So the whole assembly of those who had returned from the captivity made booths and sat under the booths; for since the days of Joshua the son of Nun until that day the children of Israel had not done so. And there was very great gladness. Also day by day, from the first day until the last day, he read from the Book of the Law of God. And they kept the feast seven days; and on the eighth day there was a sacred assembly, according to the prescribed manner." [Neh.8:14 -18]

Because we have everlasting life we have the ability to worship the Lord Jesus Christ as the One True God of heaven and earth. As a consequence we're able to receive from Him, through the Word, the truths we need to produce His works in our lives. Worshiping the Lord is represented by the mountain. All the branches are represented as the truths we receive from the Lord through His Word. The booths represent the work of the Lord that the truths of the Word produce in our lives. This is what the Lord is looking for in us when He comes in the Rapture. Hence we read:

"Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in THE WORK OF THE LORD, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord. " [1 Cor.15:58] And also why the Lord said to us that we should:
"...hold fast what you have till I come. And he who overcomes, and KEEPS MY WORKS UNTIL THE END, to him I will give power over the nations..." [Rev. 2:25, 26] See you at the Wedding Banquet!

What do you mean by observe? Do you mean have it in mind that this is the week of the feast that our brethren celebrated in times past? So that we will always remember that the Israelites were made to dwell in booths in the wilderness. Or keep it by following the exact instructions in Leviticus?

I'm guessing you mean exact instructions....so then do you? Or are you a hypocrite? Did you make a shelter out of twigs/branches/boughs only or did you set up a tent or some modern man made structure? Someone could then CONDEMN you for not keeping it. What about the people in the arctic or Alaska, should they follow the instructions or are there no wise virgins in those parts of the world?

I know where your mind is because my mind has been there too. I don't celebrate pagan holidays or birthdays and I might celebrate the feasts except I am alone in this world and isolated so I would be keeping them by myself....sitting in a twig shelter all day by myself....so that's not really keeping it then. More importantly I finally came to the knowledge that Father loves when we have fellowship with him and love for another, that love for him and others fulfills all of the law and that means more than any and all feast days combined. Glorying in your keeping of the feast days and exalting yourself as a wise virgin for doing so and condemning others for not is not something I believe would be pleasing to Father. If you do it purely to be obedient and please him, let that be it without announcing it to the world, TO BE SEEN BY MEN. Its wonderful when people glorify God in all manner of ways including keeping the feast days but mix that with condemnation...cant you understand why he said I hate, I despise your feast days!

Its like blessing and cursing out of the same mouth.

Do you Australian's really talk like this to each other or is it just a peculiarity of spending too much time with sheep and a lack of human companionship?

Do you fanatics always talk that much garbage, or is it the lack of culture and education?

There is a gulf between us. But I was once like you, get right with the Lord while you are still blessed with a little time. 1Cr 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

You were never like me. And honestly, I have difficulties on believing you will ever be. You're a fanatic, a delusional person. Your mind is completely close to truth and you'll only listen to whomever confirms whatever you think to be right.
One thing thou I agree. There is a gulf between us. I am on dry land on the shores of truth, knowledge and reason. You're on a desert island along with thousands of other mad people.

Yeah.

Here is a very informative and doctrinally sound

video from Melissia of Midnight Hour Oil that I hope will answer many of your questions. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Last Edited by Judethz on 10/18/2019 04:40 PM

The only question here is how come any rational person would believe in all these irrational stuff?

Yeah but we all gotta die sometime. It's where you will be spending eternity that matters.

How about you?

Because I believe in Jesus..

Jesus Christ is Truth.

My dick is like a hurricane..
Of glorious a-1

So, you confirm you're irrational. Interesting.

If it was the case, there would be more than 10k different christian denominations...

Saint is an ANAGRAM

in spanish/french/latin languages its SANTA

SANTA = SATAN

SAINT = SATIN

phonetically both come out SAY-TAN

or SAY-TIN

It's sad really how the devil has managed to corrupt our language, worming and insinuating his way into everything. But his time is short. For us as individuals what matters is the meaning that we place behind the words on an individual basis.

Rapture
Definition: The belief that faithful Christians will be bodily caught up from the earth, suddenly taken out of the world, to be united with the Lord “in the air.” The word “rapture” is understood by some persons, but not by all, to be the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The word “rapture” does not occur in the inspired Scriptures.

When the apostle Paul said that Christians would be “caught up” to be with the Lord, what subject was being discussed?

1 Thess. 4:13-18, RS: “We would not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning those who are asleep [“those who sleep in death,” NE; “those who have died,” TEV, JB], that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope.

For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep.

For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep.

For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God.

And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.”

(Evidently some members of the Christian congregation in Thessalonica had died. Paul encouraged the survivors to comfort one another with the resurrection hope.
He reminded them that Jesus was resurrected after his death; so, too, at the coming of the Lord, those faithful Christians among them who had died would be raised to be with Christ.)

Who are the ones that will be ‘caught up in the clouds,’ as stated at 1 Thessalonians 4:17?

Verse 15 explains that they are faithful ones “who are left until the coming of the Lord,” that is, they are still living at the time of Christ’s coming.
Will they ever die?
According to Romans 6:3-5 and 1 Corinthians 15:35, 36, 44 (quoted on pages 314, 315), they must die before they can gain heavenly life.
But there is no need for them to remain in the death state awaiting Christ’s return.
They will instantly be “caught up,” “in the twinkling of an eye,” to be with the Lord.—1 Cor. 15:51, 52, RS; also Revelation 14:13.

Will Christ appear visibly on a cloud and then take away faithful Christians into the heavens while the world looks on?

Did Jesus say whether the world would see him again with their physical eyes?

John 14:19, RS: “Yet a little while, and the world will see me no more, but you [his faithful disciples] will see me; because I live, you will live also.” (Italics added.) (Compare 1 Timothy 6:16.)

What is the meaning of the Lord’s ‘descending from heaven’?

Could the Lord “descend from heaven,” as stated at 1 Thessalonians 4:16, without being visible to physical eyes? In the days of ancient Sodom and Gomorrah, Jehovah said that he was going to “go down to see” what the people were doing. (Gen. 18:21, RS)
But when Jehovah made that inspection, no human saw him, although they did see the angelic representatives that he sent. (John 1:18) Similarly, without having to return in the flesh, Jesus could turn his attention to his faithful followers on earth to reward them.

In what sense, then, will humans “see” the Lord “coming in a cloud”?

Jesus foretold: “Then they will see the Son of man [Jesus Christ] coming in a cloud with power and great glory.” (Luke 21:27, RS) In no way does this statement or similar ones in other texts contradict what Jesus said as recorded at John 14:19. Consider: At Mount Sinai, what occurred when God ‘came to the people in a thick cloud,’ as stated at Exodus 19:9? (RS) God was invisibly present; the people of Israel saw visible evidence of his presence, but none of them actually saw God with their eyes. So, too, when Jesus said that he would come “in a cloud,” he must have meant that he would be invisible to human eyes but that humans would be aware of his presence. They would “see” him with their mental eyes, discerning the fact that he was present. (For further comments, see the main heading “Return of Christ.”)

Is it possible for Christians to be taken to heaven with their physical bodies?

1 Cor. 15:50, RS: “I tell you this, brethren: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.”

Does the experience of the prophet Elijah contradict this? Not at all. It must be understood in the light of Jesus’ clear statement centuries later: “No one has ascended into heaven but he who descended from heaven, the Son of man.” (John 3:13, RS) Although Elijah was seen as he “went up by a whirlwind into heaven,” this does not mean that he went into the spirit realm. Why not? Because he is later reported as sending a letter of reproof to the king of Judah. (2 Ki. 2:11, RS; 2 Chron. 21:1, 12-15) Before humans invented airplanes, Jehovah there used his own means (a fiery chariot and a whirlwind) to lift Elijah off the ground into the heaven where the birds fly and to transport him to another place.—Compare Genesis 1:6-8, 20.

Will faithful Christians perhaps be taken to heaven secretly, simply disappearing from the earth without dying?

Rom. 6:3-5, RS: “Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? . . . For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.” (What occurred in the case of Jesus set the pattern. His disciples as well as others knew he had died. He was not restored to heavenly life until after his death and resurrection.)

1 Cor. 15:35, 36, 44, RS: “Some one will ask, ‘How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?’ You foolish man! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. It is sown a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body.” (So death comes before one receives that spiritual body, does it not?)

Guaranteed that all the bible thumpers believe in irrational Stuff! ~Hexy~

I know, any rational person knows. But they seem to lack this skill. They rely on faith, the worst possible way to get to truth.

One can justify ANYTHING by faith. I can have faith that white people are superior to blacks, I can hold the faith that homossexuals deserve to be tortured to death. And since it is my faith, no one can question it. Faith, IMHO is the reason of our future demise.

So…does this mean SANTA,.. who loves to wear SATIN,.. is a SAINT??

…and what about poor ol' SATAN??

God’s protection at that time -

some texts that show how we can benefit from it:

Zeph. 2:3 Seek Jehovah, all you meek ones*

of the earth,

Who observe his righteous decrees.*

Seek righteousness, seek meekness.*

Probably* you will be concealed on the day of Jehovah’s anger



The Bible shows that God will safeguard some faithful ones right here on earth.

Prov. 2:21, 22 “The upright will inhabit the land [“dwell on earth,” NE], and men of integrity will remain in it.

As for the wicked, they will be cut off from the earth,+

And the treacherous will be torn away from it.”

(Notice that the scripture does not say that such upright people will return to the earth but that they will remain there.)

1 Thess. 4:17, RS: “And so we [Christians caught away to heaven] shall always be with the Lord.”)

That is in harmony with God’s purpose when he first created Adam and put him in Paradise, is it not?’


If by the rapture you mean that Christians living at the end of the system of things are to be taken to heaven-

Have you wondered what they will do when they get to heaven?

Notice what Revelation 20:6 says.

" Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection;

over these the second death has no authority,
but they will be priests+ of God and of the Christ, and they will rule as kings with him for the 1,000 years.+

&
5:9 And they sing a new song,+ saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God+ out of every tribe and tongue* and people and nation,+ 10 and you made them to be a kingdom+ and priests to our God,+ and they are to rule as kings+ over the earth.”


But over whom will they rule?
(Ps. 37:10, 11, 29)’
Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more;+

You will look at where they were,

And they will not be there.+

11 But the meek will possess the earth,+

And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.

29 The righteous will possess the earth,+

And they will live forever on it.

Evotards who think the universe comes from nothing, are irrational.

Irrational is a rather nice word for you.

Your lies have been debunked for years. Just stop, for your own sake. You lack the spiritual understanding for this.

Irrational and ignorant. You don't even know what areastronomy and evolution. In your mind, its all a big soup. You're just another fanatic ignorant to science, denying it to justify your myths.

Forum slidin like crazy !

Evolution is a preposterously stupid faith.

Stop taking antibiotics then. They are produced BASED ON evolution. Its because evolution is a well known process, that antibiotics are effective. The body of proof is WAY too big to be denied, no matter how much you stomp your feet and throw tantrums. Evolution is truth, its this simple. You calling it "faith" is hilarious! It shows that you don't understand science, nor faith.

hahahahahahaha ...
Yup, demons are gonna get ya.