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User ID: 76558269 United States 10/15/2019 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13358554 No? If Yes, please post your best compelling reason. If No, please post your best compelling reason. True life examples will be greatly appreciated. Yes. There is no need to prove the existence of God. The proof is all around us, evident in His creation. What people don't understand is that only God's elect, chosen family (church) will believe in Him because He has predestined them to come into the fold. They are called sheep (lost at first when they're born). Goats will never believe. They are born goats and the Bible calls them vessels of wrath, fitted to destruction. They were born to be taken and destroyed. Sheep WILL believe at the exact appointed time in their life, no sooner, no later. You could give a goat all the evidence in the world, and he/she will NEVER believe. God has ordained them to hell. So, if you can see and hear the truth, drop to your knees and give praise to God through the Lord Jesus Christ who has saved His family from their sins, whose names have been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world. You sound like a Calvinist. How sad. OP, I'm sorry someone has lied to you. I'm not a "calvinist." I'm a Bible-believing Christian. Have you read the Bible? What do you make of the following verses? For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Romans 8:29 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Ephesians 1:4 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: Ephesians 1:11 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48 (note that only certain people had the ability to believe the gospel - those who were ordained to eternal life) These are not John Calvin's words. This is the Word of God. Regarding unbelievers: But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 2 Peter 2:12 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: Romans 9:22 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Romans 9:16-18 OP, I don't know if you're a vessel of mercy or a vessel of wrath, but if you long for the truth, read the Word of God. Seek the truth. |
TheFutureOnes User ID: 77605334 United States 10/15/2019 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes. God is the metaphysical structure of the universe. For more, read this book: [link to www.academia.edu (secure)] I am one of the authors. |
CUB4DK
User ID: 56739122 Canada 10/15/2019 02:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13358554 No? If Yes, please post your best compelling reason. If No, please post your best compelling reason. True life examples will be greatly appreciated. Yes. There is no need to prove the existence of God. The proof is all around us, evident in His creation. What people don't understand is that only God's elect, chosen family (church) will believe in Him because He has predestined them to come into the fold. They are called sheep (lost at first when they're born). Goats will never believe. They are born goats and the Bible calls them vessels of wrath, fitted to destruction. They were born to be taken and destroyed. Sheep WILL believe at the exact appointed time in their life, no sooner, no later. You could give a goat all the evidence in the world, and he/she will NEVER believe. God has ordained them to hell. So, if you can see and hear the truth, drop to your knees and give praise to God through the Lord Jesus Christ who has saved His family from their sins, whose names have been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world. You sound like a Calvinist. How sad. OP, I'm sorry someone has lied to you. I'm not a "calvinist." I'm a Bible-believing Christian. Have you read the Bible? What do you make of the following verses? For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Romans 8:29 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Ephesians 1:4 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: Ephesians 1:11 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48 (note that only certain people had the ability to believe the gospel - those who were ordained to eternal life) These are not John Calvin's words. This is the Word of God. Regarding unbelievers: But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 2 Peter 2:12 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: Romans 9:22 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Romans 9:16-18 OP, I don't know if you're a vessel of mercy or a vessel of wrath, but if you long for the truth, read the Word of God. Seek the truth. To tell you the truth,..it sounds like a Moses2.0 will rise out of the ashes within this decayed and decrepit Society CUB4DK |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 13358554 United States 10/15/2019 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13358554 No? If Yes, please post your best compelling reason. If No, please post your best compelling reason. True life examples will be greatly appreciated. The 'Good News' is about how mankind's disconnection from God can be reestablished thru that one man Jesus Christ and His Way. We fell from grace through Adam and we arise through Jesus Christ. The Good News is about 'The Way' of Jesus Christ or how to live here now and how to get ready for life there later. The Good Lord Jesus Christ's works as witnessed, are 4 books out of 66 that make up the modern Bible. Those 4 books only 120 pages in length are titled Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. They are also called the Gospel of Jesus Christ, 'The Truth' or 'The Good News' aka The Owner's Manual To These Flesh Suits we drive until we leave them for home by God's Grace via Jesus Christ's sacrifice. Jesus Christ's philosophy or Way was handed to him from his Father, our Father....the God of All Creations. It is a philosophy of grace...it is not a performance based philosophy....you can do nothing but accept it as a gift of God's grace. Become FREE for FREE==> [link to www.e-sword.net (secure)] Download an additional bible called the GNB or Good News Bible (it is in everyday easy English) for easy reading. Included are commentaries on each passage to help with difficult areas. The Lord desires to develop a personal relationship as a parent to child, brother to brother and brother to sister with us. I do know the LARGE ORGANISED RELIGIONS are all wrong. It is more of a control mechanism over the human race. If parishioners actually read the Lord's words, they would not go to the LARGE ORGANISED RELIGIONS. Large organized religion poisoned my spirit and soul. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 13358554 United States 10/15/2019 10:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes. Quoting: TheFutureOnes 77605334 God is the metaphysical structure of the universe. For more, read this book: [link to www.academia.edu (secure)] I am one of the authors. I'm not going to download that! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76408718 United States 10/15/2019 10:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13358554 No? If Yes, please post your best compelling reason. If No, please post your best compelling reason. True life examples will be greatly appreciated. If you're looking and haven't seen anything he's saying you suck op. Really seek and ye shall find. Your heart isn't there probably never will be. |
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User ID: 72764666 United States 10/15/2019 10:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No And I reject your thoughts of "another fool" I think the syncronicities people experience have another source yet to be explained. But as a whole I think the comfort of never ending and feeling of oneness one feels when praising something outside themselves has value so I am no longer a militant atheist. |
Fossy
User ID: 77859023 United States 10/16/2019 12:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Bibles prophecy's are rolling out just as it says. The book was written long ago. I just cannot fathom how one couldn't believe. Quoting: Kotlik 60644295 This is my opinion and also all of creation. The odds of it being random are too high and.... it’s still the chicken and the egg. Making sammiches great again! |
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Chaotic Constitutionalist User ID: 76788492 United States 10/16/2019 12:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes. I think there is a Creator. I'm not discounting other extra-terrestrials either, but I definitely think there is a Creator who set the universe in motion and through mathematics & physics created the big bang. Someone/something had to create that "giant ball of dust" that led to the big bang. I still contend that many of the gods of legend were actually alien civilizations since greek, roman, norse and even jewish gods all resided on mountains. HWR The US is a One Party State controlled by a small cadre of Financiers Big Daddy D |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74098621 United States 10/16/2019 01:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13358554 No? If Yes, please post your best compelling reason. If No, please post your best compelling reason. True life examples will be greatly appreciated. [link to www.jesusneverexisted.com (secure)] No. If there is a god, he/she/it is undeserving of love. In fact, were the fairy tale proven true, he would have to explain why he has allowed thousands of years of pure misery to fall on his "children" he claims to love. No decent earthly father would do that. No good father would say to his children: "show me obedience, and I MIGHT feed you, heal you, comfort you. It all depends on my "will". In fact, I want more than obedience -- I want your love and worship before I can assure you of being able to live with me. Otherwise, I'll kick you out and not think again of you." Yet, we have otherwise intelligent people falling for the fraud. We're told to ignore the disease, the poverty, the wars, the afflictions, the horrors of this world. We're then told that those are brought on by ourselves, by our free will, and that he cannot intervene. So, we have a "father" who never corrects the misdeeds of his children, who doesn't even stop them while they're committing the atrocities. He will allow the innocent to suffer because someone exercises their free will. He can't, for example, seem to cause that gun to jam when one of his "children" robs and shoots an innocent person. He can't intervene, even supernaturally, to stop the rapist, the murderer, the abuser or any of the other horrors inflicted by his children. He cannot seem to get the energy to protect those he claims to love. All he can do is demand love and worship. And money, of course, through those who love and worship him. I was a Christian for about 40 years of my life. It was quite disconcerting to come to the realization that all of it is just one big mind-fuck. But I ultimately never felt more free and spiritually uplifted. Oh, now I can hear the Christians parrot: "oh, then you were never REALLY a Christian because god blah blah blah...." LOL, yeah, like you would know... Thankfully, I've also come to realize that while we are eternal, spiritual beings, we don't need that psychopath, a/k/a/ "god". He never existed and never will. WE are self-existent and self-created. The concept of a god is useless once you realize what we really are... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77797702 United States 10/16/2019 01:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yep..the universe is not random. It's perfect macro and microscopically. Only 'GOD' could do that Quoting: diverdan01 I've considered that. That's a very good compelling reason I wonder why God is so distant and seems to take a hands off approach toward humans. He is giving you free will. You are to choose your own path or choose Him to help and guide you. There is no predestiny. The path is still your own choosing. That was the whole accusation made by Satan and why everything has unfolded since Adam and Eve fell for the lies. God is Real. Even evil people who choose to rebel against what is good and serve Satan know that God is real. So we have compelling evidence from both sides. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78202819 Greece 12/01/2019 11:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13358554 No? If Yes, please post your best compelling reason. If No, please post your best compelling reason. True life examples will be greatly appreciated. [link to www.jesusneverexisted.com (secure)] No. If there is a god, he/she/it is undeserving of love. In fact, were the fairy tale proven true, he would have to explain why he has allowed thousands of years of pure misery to fall on his "children" he claims to love. No decent earthly father would do that. No good father would say to his children: "show me obedience, and I MIGHT feed you, heal you, comfort you. It all depends on my "will". In fact, I want more than obedience -- I want your love and worship before I can assure you of being able to live with me. Otherwise, I'll kick you out and not think again of you." Yet, we have otherwise intelligent people falling for the fraud. We're told to ignore the disease, the poverty, the wars, the afflictions, the horrors of this world. We're then told that those are brought on by ourselves, by our free will, and that he cannot intervene. So, we have a "father" who never corrects the misdeeds of his children, who doesn't even stop them while they're committing the atrocities. He will allow the innocent to suffer because someone exercises their free will. He can't, for example, seem to cause that gun to jam when one of his "children" robs and shoots an innocent person. He can't intervene, even supernaturally, to stop the rapist, the murderer, the abuser or any of the other horrors inflicted by his children. He cannot seem to get the energy to protect those he claims to love. All he can do is demand love and worship. And money, of course, through those who love and worship him. I was a Christian for about 40 years of my life. It was quite disconcerting to come to the realization that all of it is just one big mind-fuck. But I ultimately never felt more free and spiritually uplifted. Oh, now I can hear the Christians parrot: "oh, then you were never REALLY a Christian because god blah blah blah...." LOL, yeah, like you would know... Thankfully, I've also come to realize that while we are eternal, spiritual beings, we don't need that psychopath, a/k/a/ "god". He never existed and never will. WE are self-existent and self-created. The concept of a god is useless once you realize what we really are... I struggle too with the same thoughts, if we are all one fractalized eternal being etc, which means that all the things that lead me to question God which are the things you also mentioned, are whose failures? I don't really wish to be a failed god because a god failed to meet basic compassionate standards so there is no god so I take hisherits place with zillions of others fractals or not, who is responsible for these horrible things if not other fractals if I choose good? no it doesn't make any sense. there is no god and we are not eternal and that's ok I prefer good and doing no harm. makes more sense. there is a god and I may or may not be eternal and this god is unknown, but I do no harm and prefer good over evil. this makes more sense. slightly. |
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User ID: 77864863 Belgium 12/01/2019 11:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yep..the universe is not random. It's perfect macro and microscopically. Only 'GOD' could do that Quoting: diverdan01 No, not 'only God could do that.' “All sacrificing without faith and divine desire is an abonimation before God, and does not reach the gate of divine glory; but if man enters therein with the power of faith, he surrenders to it his free will, and desires by that means, and through its instrumentality, to enter into the eternal free will of God.” (Mysterium, xxvii. 13.) -Personal Christianity. A Science. (p.223) - Jakob Böhme ~ I am Cerberus, the Long Necked "Monster' |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78202819 Greece 12/01/2019 11:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13358554 No? If Yes, please post your best compelling reason. If No, please post your best compelling reason. True life examples will be greatly appreciated. [link to www.jesusneverexisted.com (secure)] No. If there is a god, he/she/it is undeserving of love. In fact, were the fairy tale proven true, he would have to explain why he has allowed thousands of years of pure misery to fall on his "children" he claims to love. No decent earthly father would do that. No good father would say to his children: "show me obedience, and I MIGHT feed you, heal you, comfort you. It all depends on my "will". In fact, I want more than obedience -- I want your love and worship before I can assure you of being able to live with me. Otherwise, I'll kick you out and not think again of you." Yet, we have otherwise intelligent people falling for the fraud. We're told to ignore the disease, the poverty, the wars, the afflictions, the horrors of this world. We're then told that those are brought on by ourselves, by our free will, and that he cannot intervene. So, we have a "father" who never corrects the misdeeds of his children, who doesn't even stop them while they're committing the atrocities. He will allow the innocent to suffer because someone exercises their free will. He can't, for example, seem to cause that gun to jam when one of his "children" robs and shoots an innocent person. He can't intervene, even supernaturally, to stop the rapist, the murderer, the abuser or any of the other horrors inflicted by his children. He cannot seem to get the energy to protect those he claims to love. All he can do is demand love and worship. And money, of course, through those who love and worship him. I was a Christian for about 40 years of my life. It was quite disconcerting to come to the realization that all of it is just one big mind-fuck. But I ultimately never felt more free and spiritually uplifted. Oh, now I can hear the Christians parrot: "oh, then you were never REALLY a Christian because god blah blah blah...." LOL, yeah, like you would know... Thankfully, I've also come to realize that while we are eternal, spiritual beings, we don't need that psychopath, a/k/a/ "god". He never existed and never will. WE are self-existent and self-created. The concept of a god is useless once you realize what we really are... I struggle too with the same thoughts, if we are all one fractalized eternal being etc, which means that all the things that lead me to question God which are the things you also mentioned, are whose failures? I don't really wish to be a failed god because a god failed to meet basic compassionate standards so there is no god so I take hisherits place with zillions of others fractals or not, who is responsible for these horrible things if not other fractals if I choose good? no it doesn't make any sense. there is no god and we are not eternal and that's ok I prefer good and doing no harm. makes more sense. there is a god and I may or may not be eternal and this god is unknown, but I do no harm and prefer good over evil. this makes more sense. slightly. plus how can you be spiritually uplifted after questioning God and finding him//her/it guilty therefore unable to be a god and at the same time saying you are self-created that we all are, how can you find that uplifting with the shit happening entirely because of us? |