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Fox Business News - Maria Bartiromo: TRUMP IS 'OVERSELLING' THE TRADE DEAL WITH CHINA: 'THE CHINESE GOT WHAT THEY WANT'

 
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Trump destroys every business he touches. He doesn't want to release his tax returns because it will show he's heavily in debt. Low IQ orange clown tounge
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Maria does not have all the facts. She is not a world leader. She’s another media know it all.
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She doesn't even know what is in the deal.. it hasnt been released yet.
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The same Maria Bartiromo that was invited to and attended the elite shin dig put on by Soros himself?
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Maria does not have all the facts. She is not a world leader. She’s another media know it all.
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She doesn't even know what is in the deal.. it hasnt been released yet.
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That's because contrary to what Trump stated, there is no deal yet.
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So is this another "I'm not going to post a link, you can google it" fake news from Lyin' Jake?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77949928


you are so dumb, did you even graduate grade school??
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Your writing skills and criticisms obviously reflect a high level of education, but what you posted is false.

You posted

"China just announced they have made substantial progress

with the Trump administration on trade talks."


But official Chinese state media says nothing like that and there is not even a Phase One deal yet.

Correct me if I am wrong with a link to that statement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76532302


Washington Examiner article, google it dipshit
 Quoting: Jake


SO you said this was from "front page of China's newspaper" Since when was Washington Examiner "China's newspaper"?

Give it up...you're making an ass of yourself.

s226
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you are so dumb, did you even graduate grade school??
 Quoting: Jake


Your writing skills and criticisms obviously reflect a high level of education, but what you posted is false.

You posted

"China just announced they have made substantial progress

with the Trump administration on trade talks."


But official Chinese state media says nothing like that and there is not even a Phase One deal yet.

Correct me if I am wrong with a link to that statement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76532302


Washington Examiner article, google it dipshit
 Quoting: Jake


SO you said this was from "front page of China's newspaper" Since when was Washington Examiner "China's newspaper"?

Give it up...you're making an ass of yourself.

s226
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Its on the news dipshit turn it on.
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The Chinese will never do anything "to lose face" and giving into Trump would be exactly this.

America is a nation in decline and even though we prop up their economy a lot its all but over for us.

Chinas' business is business
Americas' business is war....and thats the difference.

China is going around the world buying everything they can...they own/operate most of the worlds shipping ports for one. The are throughout the Americas and Africa also.

All in the name of cheap, cheap, cheap,,,,we sold out.
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Your writing skills and criticisms obviously reflect a high level of education, but what you posted is false.

You posted

"China just announced they have made substantial progress

with the Trump administration on trade talks."


But official Chinese state media says nothing like that and there is not even a Phase One deal yet.

Correct me if I am wrong with a link to that statement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76532302


Washington Examiner article, google it dipshit
 Quoting: Jake


SO you said this was from "front page of China's newspaper" Since when was Washington Examiner "China's newspaper"?

Give it up...you're making an ass of yourself.

s226
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Its on the news dipshit turn it on.
 Quoting: Jake


lmao
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The Chinese will never do anything "to lose face" and giving into Trump would be exactly this.

America is a nation in decline and even though we prop up their economy a lot its all but over for us.

Chinas' business is business
Americas' business is war....and thats the difference.

China is going around the world buying everything they can...they own/operate most of the worlds shipping ports for one. The are throughout the Americas and Africa also.

All in the name of cheap, cheap, cheap,,,,we sold out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74288514


America is not in decline china just laid off nearly 2.5 million people.


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Trump destroys every business he touches. He doesn't want to release his tax returns because it will show he's heavily in debt. Low IQ orange clown tounge
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:rere23:
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Trump destroys every business he touches. He doesn't want to release his tax returns because it will show he's heavily in debt. Low IQ orange clown tounge
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:rere23:
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Just like he is destroying America right???



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China’s playing Trump for the chump he is. Desperately needing some kind of a win, Trump announced “Phase 1” as if some kind of deal had been concluded, which it hadn’t. Then China added more conditions that Trump will be forced to swallow.

Trump’s a guppy in a shark tank.
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Says the guy that takes it up the poop chute ! Greece ! LOL ! ohyeah
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There is one and only one way to deal with China and that is a total trade embargo plus cutting off all contact in all ways possible including removing all Chinese citizens from this country and creating a national investigation into Chinese spies.
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The Chinese will never do anything "to lose face" and giving into Trump would be exactly this.

America is a nation in decline and even though we prop up their economy a lot its all but over for us.

Chinas' business is business
Americas' business is war....and thats the difference.

China is going around the world buying everything they can...they own/operate most of the worlds shipping ports for one. The are throughout the Americas and Africa also.

All in the name of cheap, cheap, cheap,,,,we sold out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74288514


The Chinese will never do anything "to lose face" and giving into Trump would be exactly this.

America is a nation in decline and even though we prop up their economy a lot its all but over for us.

Chinas' business is business
Americas' business is war....and thats the difference.

China is going around the world buying everything they can...they own/operate most of the worlds shipping ports for one. The are throughout the Americas and Africa also.

All in the name of cheap, cheap, cheap,,,,we sold out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74288514


Are you addicted to cheap toxic Chinese shit?
You can stop buying this junk destined for the landfill long before it should.
This Christmas, buy something worth keeping, not a high production piece of trash.
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Your writing skills and criticisms obviously reflect a high level of education, but what you posted is false.

You posted

"China just announced they have made substantial progress

with the Trump administration on trade talks."


But official Chinese state media says nothing like that and there is not even a Phase One deal yet.

Correct me if I am wrong with a link to that statement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76532302


Washington Examiner article, google it dipshit
 Quoting: Jake


SO you said this was from "front page of China's newspaper" Since when was Washington Examiner "China's newspaper"?

Give it up...you're making an ass of yourself.

s226
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Its on the news dipshit turn it on.
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What news? There is no trade deal, no phase one agreement, nothing has been signed yet and China's official state media has said so.

But you said it was on the "front page of China's newspaper", then posted a link to the Washington Examiner.

lol
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So is this another "I'm not going to post a link, you can google it" fake news from Lyin' Jake?
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you are so dumb, did you even graduate grade school??
 Quoting: Jake


Your writing skills and criticisms obviously reflect a high level of education, but what you posted is false.

You posted

"China just announced they have made substantial progress

with the Trump administration on trade talks."


But official Chinese state media says nothing like that and there is not even a Phase One deal yet.

Correct me if I am wrong with a link to that statement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76532302


Washington Examiner article, google it dipshit
 Quoting: Jake


OK, as you suggested, I googled Washington Examiner for their latest aricle on China trade deal negotiations and this is what they have:

Trump needs to shut up about the trade deal


At the end of perhaps the most disastrous week of his first term, President Trump scored an unexpected but potentially big win. The United States, Trump announced on Friday, reached a partial trade deal with China, sending stocks soaring amid rare hopes that the seemingly aimless trade war would end for good.

While the details of the deal appeared sound enough, there was just one obstacle in the way: The deal still has to be committed in writing.

Even when working opposite a country as duplicitous as the Chinese, the lack of a written deal wouldn't pose too much of a problem for a normal American president. But Trump is no ordinary president. If the last 72 hours serve as a warning, Trump needs to stop talking about the deal or risk blowing it up entirely.

Trump's showboating on Twitter started innocuously enough — "the greatest and biggest deal ever made for our Great Patriot Farmers in the history of our Country" — but he quickly did what he does as he begins to run his mouth: He mangled the truth.

It will not shock you to learn that China has absolutely not begun increasing American purchases. Not a full 24 hours after Trump's tirade, American media announced that Beijing wants another round of trade talks, and that's before the "deal" is committed in writing.

[link to www.washingtonexaminer.com (secure)]
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China’s playing Trump for the chump he is. Desperately needing some kind of a win, Trump announced “Phase 1” as if some kind of deal had been concluded, which it hadn’t. Then China added more conditions that Trump will be forced to swallow.

Trump’s a guppy in a shark tank.
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I fart in your general direction.
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I have the link it wont allow me to post it

its on fox business news turn it on.


Reported on Chinese Media, Substantial Progress made in Trade deal....


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Maria does not have all the facts. She is not a world leader. She’s another media know it all.
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She doesn't even know what is in the deal.. it hasnt been released yet.
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LOl right? I thought that too.
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I have the link it wont allow me to post it

its on fox business news turn it on.
 Quoting: Jake


Nice one. From February 24, 2019.

"President Trump announced Sunday he is delaying a U.S. increase of tariffs on Chinese goods after "substantial progress" was made in talks"

Although you posted this was from "front page of China's newspaper"

lol

Try again? On second thought...just give up with the bullshit.
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I have the link it wont allow me to post it

its on fox business news turn it on.
 Quoting: Jake


Nice one. From February 24, 2019.

"President Trump announced Sunday he is delaying a U.S. increase of tariffs on Chinese goods after "substantial progress" was made in talks"

Although you posted this was from "front page of China's newspaper"

lol

Try again? On second thought...just give up with the bullshit.
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Seriously, are you mentally retarded???


its on fox business news turn it on.


Reported on Chinese Media, Substantial Progress made in Trade deal....


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I have the link it wont allow me to post it

its on fox business news turn it on.
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Nice one. From February 24, 2019.

"President Trump announced Sunday he is delaying a U.S. increase of tariffs on Chinese goods after "substantial progress" was made in talks"

Although you posted this was from "front page of China's newspaper"

lol

Try again? On second thought...just give up with the bullshit.
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So here is the link from February 24, 2019 that you originally posted and now you have deleted it.

[link to www.washingtonexaminer.com (secure)]

Why?

Busted again. lol
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I have the link it wont allow me to post it

its on fox business news turn it on.
 Quoting: Jake


Nice one. From February 24, 2019.

"President Trump announced Sunday he is delaying a U.S. increase of tariffs on Chinese goods after "substantial progress" was made in talks"

Although you posted this was from "front page of China's newspaper"

lol

Try again? On second thought...just give up with the bullshit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77103211


So here is the link from February 24, 2019 that you originally posted and now you have deleted it.

[link to www.washingtonexaminer.com (secure)]

Why?

Busted again. lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77103211


That was the wrong link mental midget


its on fox business news turn it on.


Reported on Chinese Media, Substantial Progress made in Trade deal....


[link to news.cgtn.com (secure)]


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Maria does not have all the facts. She is not a world leader. She’s another media know it all.
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She doesn't even know what is in the deal.. it hasnt been released yet.
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LOl right? I thought that too.
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That's because there is no deal yet.
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Maria does not have all the facts. She is not a world leader. She’s another media know it all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74514656


She doesn't even know what is in the deal.. it hasnt been released yet.
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LOl right? I thought that too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77910229


That's because there is no deal yet.
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you don't know that
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I have the link it wont allow me to post it

its on fox business news turn it on.
 Quoting: Jake


Nice one. From February 24, 2019.

"President Trump announced Sunday he is delaying a U.S. increase of tariffs on Chinese goods after "substantial progress" was made in talks"

Although you posted this was from "front page of China's newspaper"

lol

Try again? On second thought...just give up with the bullshit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77103211


So here is the link from February 24, 2019 that you originally posted and now you have deleted it.

[link to www.washingtonexaminer.com (secure)]

Why?

Busted again. lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77103211


That was the wrong link mental midget


its on fox business news turn it on.


Reported on Chinese Media, Substantial Progress made in Trade deal....


[link to news.cgtn.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Jake



"Reported on Chinese Media, Substantial Progress made in Trade deal."

Nope, not in that article.

Two strikes. Want to go for a third Jake News link?
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She doesn't even know what is in the deal.. it hasnt been released yet.
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LOl right? I thought that too.
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That's because there is no deal yet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77103211


you don't know that
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Thread: NO DEAL: China wants another round of talks before signing phase one of the trade deal

And you can bet that if there was a deal, Trump would have been hyping it all weekend long, and I wouldn't blame him if he did.

Unfortunately, there is still no deal and not even a phase one initial agreement has been signed.
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Nice one. From February 24, 2019.

"President Trump announced Sunday he is delaying a U.S. increase of tariffs on Chinese goods after "substantial progress" was made in talks"

Although you posted this was from "front page of China's newspaper"

lol

Try again? On second thought...just give up with the bullshit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77103211


So here is the link from February 24, 2019 that you originally posted and now you have deleted it.

[link to www.washingtonexaminer.com (secure)]

Why?

Busted again. lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77103211


That was the wrong link mental midget


its on fox business news turn it on.


Reported on Chinese Media, Substantial Progress made in Trade deal....


[link to news.cgtn.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Jake

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77103211


"Reported on Chinese Media, Substantial Progress made in Trade deal."

Nope, not in that article.

Two strikes. Want to go for a third Jake News link?


do you speak chinese?
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Trump wont cave.
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Trump wont cave.
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He's not caving
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