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Uh Oh: Damning Boeing 737 MAX Text Messages Revealed

 
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Some damning texts were revealed yesterday from November 2016, between the 737 MAX’s chief technical pilot at the time, and his colleague, a former Boeing engineering employee expressing the MCAS was acting strangely during testing -before being put into service!

“nah, I’m locked in my hotel room with an ice cold grey goose, I’ll probably fire off a few dozen inappropriate emails before I call it a night”

“I’d ask for a job in sales where I can just get paid to drink with customers and lie about how awesome our airplanes are”

Then There’s The Cover-Up...

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These are a couple of my favs:

"I’m levelling off at 4000ft, 230 knots and the plane is trimming itself like craxy, I’m like, WHAT?”

“granted, I suck at flying, but even this was egregious”
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Apparently, the test pilot experienced the same thing that brought down those aircraft, as it was happening in the simulator as well.
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The FAA and U.S. Department of Transportation said they are investigating whether the aircraft maker withheld information during certification.

Of course the Dow sank 250 points yesterday -thanks to Boeing! (Their stock was falling, as fast as, their 737 MAX!)
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damning evidence...great find O.P. ... when are We going to get back that " Made in America" spirit and make the best products in the World again ...
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Boeing has known about these messages for months; however, Boeing only provided the messages to the FAA on Thursday.
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The delay prompted FAA Administrator to write a letter to the president and CEO of Boeing on Friday.

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Apparently, the test pilot experienced the same thing that brought down those aircraft, as it was happening in the simulator as well.
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But he was able to recover. Why couldnt the others?
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Apparently, the test pilot experienced the same thing that brought down those aircraft, as it was happening in the simulator as well.
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But he was able to recover. Why couldnt the others?
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We would ask them but they are dead.
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Apparently, the test pilot experienced the same thing that brought down those aircraft, as it was happening in the simulator as well.
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But he was able to recover. Why couldnt the others?
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Because as a test pilot, he knew about the MCAS and was actually testing it...
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The blame game runs far and wide.

FAA inspectors weren't qualified to certify Boeing 737 Max pilots, investigation finds.

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Apparently, the test pilot experienced the same thing that brought down those aircraft, as it was happening in the simulator as well.
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It wouldn't be hard to simulate. It is a shitty design that is barely flyable and comes with even more shitty software. No matter what boing boing does (other than use the original engines), they can't fix the shitty design of the airframe and they will continue to crash in the future if they re-release them.
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damning evidence...great find O.P. ... when are We going to get back that " Made in America" spirit and make the best products in the World again ...
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That ship sailed with the profits are more important than making a great product that last and last.
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Boeing needs to scrap the 737 MAX program. Design a different aircraft. Eat the loss. It’s cheaper than more lawsuits owing to future disasters.
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Apparently, the test pilot experienced the same thing that brought down those aircraft, as it was happening in the simulator as well.
 Quoting: virtualsteve


But he was able to recover. Why couldnt the others?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77497363


Did he recover ?? or just turned the simulator off or reset it.
Unfortunately the real pilots were flying a real plane ...

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Boeing needs to scrap the 737 MAX program. Design a different aircraft. Eat the loss. It’s cheaper than more lawsuits owing to future disasters.
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Boeing claims to have about 5,000 orders for these things!
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Thanks for PIN !
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The FAA and U.S. Department of Transportation said they are investigating whether the aircraft maker withheld information during certification.

Of course the Dow sank 250 points yesterday -thanks to Boeing! (Their stock was falling, as fast as, their 737 MAX!)
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Michael Crichton wrote a novel in 1996 that mirrors this story. The name of the Novel was 'Airframe'

Very compelling novel....
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Boeing put out an official (vanilla) statement yesterday -but I think they are shitting their pants!

Boeing President and CEO Dennis Muilenburg assured the Administrator that they are "taking every step possible to safely return the MAX to service."

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american ingenuity

bullshit and sloppy work
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The text messages definitely raise the stakes in the criminal probe being conducted by the U.S. Department of Justice.

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Apparently, the test pilot experienced the same thing that brought down those aircraft, as it was happening in the simulator as well.
 Quoting: virtualsteve


But he was able to recover. Why couldnt the others?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77497363


Looks like he had a lot more altitude to play with!

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Lets be clear.

The two crashes were completely the fault of under trained, under experienced pilots and co-pilots not following basic procedures.

All they had to do was turn off the MCAS and leave it off.
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Those bastards!!!

Jail time and disruption of their lives should now commence...
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Soon two of the USA's largest companies, Boeing and General Electric, will be no more.
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Boeing hasn't made a good aiplane i'd fly in since the 747

all these modern planes can be remotely hijcked and ill never fly in one
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Soon two of the USA's largest companies, Boeing and General Electric, will be no more.
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good, both are government gravy train leeches on the people of this country
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Boeing just played along with the 9/11 lie.

Fuck em.
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damning evidence...great find O.P. ... when are We going to get back that " Made in America" spirit and make the best products in the World again ...
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That Spirit will return if we change our ways. Simple as that.
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Boeing needs to scrap the 737 MAX program. Design a different aircraft. Eat the loss. It’s cheaper than more lawsuits owing to future disasters.
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Boeing doesn't eat the loss. They fly the suckers til they get their's money worth out of the system. My dad flew B52s and had a problem with design of tail wing or what not back in the 60s. They all knew about the problem but "couldn't afford" to redesign. A few Patriots went down. I looked up "Who built first B52s" and guess who appeared? Boeing! I haven't trusted them since dad's crew crashed (Buzz One Four) in 1963.
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Re: Uh Oh: Damning Boeing 737 MAX Text Messages Revealed
Every Mongrel-Theist-Bigot, Affirmative-Action imbecile KNOWS you should always Out-Source your critical flight systems...

Just shut-up and...

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