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BREAKING: The Fed is sharply increasing the amount of help it is providing to the financial system

 
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we don't no stinkin bank.

Just The Fed the people the money when they need it.
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we don't no stinkin bank.

Just The Fed the people the money when they need it.
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To suppress the price of gold. To keep the little guy poor. Fuckers
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Gold will explode when the system implodes.
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But seriously folk... why give Banks repo cash just so they can flash trade it on the over night markets? that's just gambling a waste of time unless it rigged.
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Wondering what you folks think of this reasoning. I pieced this together from various things Greg Mannarino has said in his video updates the past few days, but not sure if he would veto this way of putting things together.

1. Greg says the economy is in "meltdown" or "free-fall" and regular people are now borrowing against their credit cards in record numbers just to make ends meet.

2. He also says that the Fed is making this money available to the banks at close to zero (or less than zero) interest, so that the banks can then turn around and lend the money to us peasants at huge interest rates, such as what we see on credit cards.

3. Evidently the level of corporate debt is also extraordinarily high right now, which suggests that companies are borrowing large amounts in order to stay afloat.


Is it possible that we are seeing the economy in meltdown, both from a corporate and an individual perspective, but the Fed is trying to hide that fact for a while? It creates money and lends it to banks, who then turn around and give that money to companies and people to keep them just barely solvent for a while, but at the cost of becoming deeply indebted.

Under such a scenario the pundits could continue claiming that the economy is "booming" and the consumer is "strong", because us little people can't see what is really going on behind the scenes. Each person in isolation thinks it is just them that is suffering, but really it's almost everyone. This could presumably continue for a while, as the global central banks maneuver themselves into the best possible position before cutting off the spigot of "liquidity". At that point, every indebted company and individual household will be simultaneously bankrupted, and all collateral assets will transfer to the central banks. That is, endgame.

Going against this logic however is the fact that money velocity is at an all-time low. If the money from the Fed was being dispersed to companies through loans and to individuals through credit cards, wouldn't we see the money velocity go up, potentially sparking hyper-inflation?

Thoughts? Does this make sense to you folks? I don't know if it's right or not, just trying to understand what's happening. Thanks.
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Wondering what you folks think of this reasoning. I pieced this together from various things Greg Mannarino has said in his video updates the past few days, but not sure if he would veto this way of putting things together.

1. Greg says the economy is in "meltdown" or "free-fall" and regular people are now borrowing against their credit cards in record numbers just to make ends meet.

2. He also says that the Fed is making this money available to the banks at close to zero (or less than zero) interest, so that the banks can then turn around and lend the money to us peasants at huge interest rates, such as what we see on credit cards.

3. Evidently the level of corporate debt is also extraordinarily high right now, which suggests that companies are borrowing large amounts in order to stay afloat.


Is it possible that we are seeing the economy in meltdown, both from a corporate and an individual perspective, but the Fed is trying to hide that fact for a while? It creates money and lends it to banks, who then turn around and give that money to companies and people to keep them just barely solvent for a while, but at the cost of becoming deeply indebted.

Under such a scenario the pundits could continue claiming that the economy is "booming" and the consumer is "strong", because us little people can't see what is really going on behind the scenes. Each person in isolation thinks it is just them that is suffering, but really it's almost everyone. This could presumably continue for a while, as the global central banks maneuver themselves into the best possible position before cutting off the spigot of "liquidity". At that point, every indebted company and individual household will be simultaneously bankrupted, and all collateral assets will transfer to the central banks. That is, endgame.

Going against this logic however is the fact that money velocity is at an all-time low. If the money from the Fed was being dispersed to companies through loans and to individuals through credit cards, wouldn't we see the money velocity go up, potentially sparking hyper-inflation?

Thoughts? Does this make sense to you folks? I don't know if it's right or not, just trying to understand what's happening. Thanks.
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Good analysis.

I have middle class family and friends (myself included) who are personally struggling but mostly due to increased utilities (inclusive of transportation and insurance fees) as well as college and medical debt. We are fortunately not impacted by escalating “rent” due to our homes being mortgaged at a fixed rate, but this is not the case for many... Nor do food costs seem to be a major issue for us at the moment.

All of us do struggle to maintain an emergency fund due to the high costs of all the unexpected repairs (cars, plumbing, etc.). It’s one thing after another lately - stuff is made to last 5 years it seems!

Such is middle class life nowadays.

I can’t speak to their debt-to-income ratios (whether they are taking on high interest credit cards and loans), though your thoughts are understood on that topic.
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Wondering what you folks think of this reasoning. I pieced this together from various things Greg Mannarino has said in his video updates the past few days, but not sure if he would veto this way of putting things together.

1. Greg says the economy is in "meltdown" or "free-fall" and regular people are now borrowing against their credit cards in record numbers just to make ends meet.

2. He also says that the Fed is making this money available to the banks at close to zero (or less than zero) interest, so that the banks can then turn around and lend the money to us peasants at huge interest rates, such as what we see on credit cards.

3. Evidently the level of corporate debt is also extraordinarily high right now, which suggests that companies are borrowing large amounts in order to stay afloat.


Is it possible that we are seeing the economy in meltdown, both from a corporate and an individual perspective, but the Fed is trying to hide that fact for a while? It creates money and lends it to banks, who then turn around and give that money to companies and people to keep them just barely solvent for a while, but at the cost of becoming deeply indebted.

Under such a scenario the pundits could continue claiming that the economy is "booming" and the consumer is "strong", because us little people can't see what is really going on behind the scenes. Each person in isolation thinks it is just them that is suffering, but really it's almost everyone. This could presumably continue for a while, as the global central banks maneuver themselves into the best possible position before cutting off the spigot of "liquidity". At that point, every indebted company and individual household will be simultaneously bankrupted, and all collateral assets will transfer to the central banks. That is, endgame.

Going against this logic however is the fact that money velocity is at an all-time low. If the money from the Fed was being dispersed to companies through loans and to individuals through credit cards, wouldn't we see the money velocity go up, potentially sparking hyper-inflation?

Thoughts? Does this make sense to you folks? I don't know if it's right or not, just trying to understand what's happening. Thanks.
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(MUST WATCH). LIQUIDITY CRISIS: Threshold Of A GLOBAL MELTDOWN. By Gregory Mannarino




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JUST RECEIVED FROM MY BANK... IT'S OVER!

"As you’ve likely heard, savings rates have recently dropped. Financial institutions across the country have decreased their rates and we’re no exception in the current economy. The good news is that, though rates across the board have declined, our rates continue to be highly competitive. So your savings can keep growing. In today's changing market, CDs remain a smart option that lock in your rate of return until maturity—regardless of market movement.

Remember, we value your relationship with us and will always share timely, thorough details so you can make informed decisions about what’s next in your financial future.

Thanks for continuing to save with us,"
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JUST RECEIVED FROM MY BANK... IT'S OVER!

"As you’ve likely heard, savings rates have recently dropped. Financial institutions across the country have decreased their rates and we’re no exception in the current economy. The good news is that, though rates across the board have declined, our rates continue to be highly competitive. So your savings can keep growing. In today's changing market, CDs remain a smart option that lock in your rate of return until maturity—regardless of market movement.

Remember, we value your relationship with us and will always share timely, thorough details so you can make informed decisions about what’s next in your financial future.

Thanks for continuing to save with us,"
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BTW I am up to $3.50

South Park - Bank Screws Stan (And its Gone, Poof!)

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JUST RECEIVED FROM MY BANK... IT'S OVER!

"As you’ve likely heard, savings rates have recently dropped. Financial institutions across the country have decreased their rates and we’re no exception in the current economy. The good news is that, though rates across the board have declined, our rates continue to be highly competitive. So your savings can keep growing. In today's changing market, CDs remain a smart option that lock in your rate of return until maturity—regardless of market movement.

Remember, we value your relationship with us and will always share timely, thorough details so you can make informed decisions about what’s next in your financial future.

Thanks for continuing to save with us,"
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On average 2% per year.

Tie up $25k and get back a whopping $500 before tax per year


[link to www.depositaccounts.com (secure)]

good laugh
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JUST RECEIVED FROM MY BANK... IT'S OVER!

"As you’ve likely heard, savings rates have recently dropped. Financial institutions across the country have decreased their rates and we’re no exception in the current economy. The good news is that, though rates across the board have declined, our rates continue to be highly competitive. So your savings can keep growing. In today's changing market, CDs remain a smart option that lock in your rate of return until maturity—regardless of market movement.

Remember, we value your relationship with us and will always share timely, thorough details so you can make informed decisions about what’s next in your financial future.

Thanks for continuing to save with us,"
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On average 2% per year.

Tie up $25k and get back a whopping $500 before tax per year


[link to www.depositaccounts.com (secure)]

:good laugh:
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Laugh all you want. You know how much spam that can buy? It will be worth more than your gold//silver and your bitcoins....
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95% of the sheep have no clue the real economy is crashing
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Thanks for your feedback. If this is indeed what is happening (per Gregory Mannarino), we should expect these liquidity injections to continue and to accelerate until the end, which must be getting fairly close now.

I wish we could get a feel for how long this can go on. I suppose until one of three things happens:

(1) Public confidence in the financial system drops off a cliff, and people start pulling their money out of the system in large numbers (that is, bank runs). This is not likely to happen as most people are not paying attention and/or are locked in via 401k plans and the like, not to mention having debt which they are unable to pay off at this time.

(2) The bankers arbitrarily decide that they are ready to pull the plug, which is not likely to happen as then they will receive the blame for crashing the system.

(3) A black swan event occurs, similar to 9-11, potentially starting WW3. This event could then be blamed for huge convulsions in the financial system.


Assuming the bankers will eventually reach a point where they can't keep the situation hidden any longer, then we have to expect something like (3) to occur. It's the only way out where the bankers don't get blamed and the people keep their money in the system until it's too late. The only gauge for us will be to watch how fast the liquidity injections are accelerating, under the assumption that massive acceleration indicates we are getting very close to the end.

Again, I don't know if this is correct, but it seems logical to me. Thanks.
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JUST RECEIVED FROM MY BANK... IT'S OVER!

"As you’ve likely heard, savings rates have recently dropped. Financial institutions across the country have decreased their rates and we’re no exception in the current economy. The good news is that, though rates across the board have declined, our rates continue to be highly competitive. So your savings can keep growing. In today's changing market, CDs remain a smart option that lock in your rate of return until maturity—regardless of market movement.

Remember, we value your relationship with us and will always share timely, thorough details so you can make informed decisions about what’s next in your financial future.

Thanks for continuing to save with us,"
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On average 2% per year.

Tie up $25k and get back a whopping $500 before tax per year


[link to www.depositaccounts.com (secure)]

good laugh
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Laugh all you want. You know how much spam that can buy? It will be worth more than your gold//silver and your bitcoins....
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Well, once the collapse happens good luck cashing in that CD and getting your investment plus your $500 interest back to buy that spam.

seinGluck
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One potentially interesting personal data point is that my bank (Chase) has been hounding me for months to increase the limit on my credit card. They have been sending me email and postal mail approximately once a week, and when I log in online, they plaster the screen with a huge banner offering the credit line increase, which I must close to continue.

If banks are in such dire straits and don't have enough money, why are they pushing so hard to extend more credit to consumers?
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Amazon stock is selling off after hours as year-over-year profits fall and holiday outlook dims. It looks like under-employed, overly-indebted Americans are having a harder time going deeper into debt to buy stuff they can't afford. The Fed is going to have do a lot more not QE!

Buckle up people the economy is free falling
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The Fed. Says: It's "OPEN TO EVEN MORE" QE... By Gregory Mannarino

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Zimbabwe started to print and the markets sent them in hyper inflation, the US does this and.....
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before the depression, the stock market dis the same thing, they loaded more money in the system and it exploded even faster
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The part of this that is so dominant (yet to me, so purposely hidden from the investing public; not to mention the general public) is the nearly unbelievable level of total derivative turnover.

It has soared!

The latest numbers that I know of, are given from the BIS, reported last month (for June of this year). Assuming my math is correct, it amounts to: $13,667,000,000,000 DAILY. This is the (AVERAGE DAILY DERIVATIVE TURNOVER). It includes both options and futures' derivatives' contracts. It does not include (what is UNREPORTED: which I would guess is substantially more).

Why is that so relevant? Well, for one thing, among the biggest banks that participate in derivative contracts, are American and European banks.

Here's the table from BIS' own disclosures:

[link to www.bis.org (secure)] so you can see if my math is (in the ballpark).

Now, according to Bankrate.com, their article last May, giving the TOTAL ASSETS by the TOP 15 US BANKS (as they claim to use the data from S&P Global Market Intelligence), is as follows (Here's the link too):

[link to www.bankrate.com (secure)]

$13,700,000,000,000!

Hello?

Did anyone get that?

THE TOTAL ASSETS OF THE TOP 15 US BANKS...IS (ROUGHLY EXACTLY EQUAL TO - W/IN appr. 1/4 OF 1% EQUAL TO) THE AVERAGE DAILY DERIVATIVE TURNOVER!

And...the relevance of that, to all of this please, one may ask? Very simple: ANY VERY, VERY SMALL (PERCENTAGE MOVE OF THE TOTAL DAILY DERIVATIVES' CONTRACTS THAT ARE COMING DUE), AND TO THE WRONG SIDE OF THE BANKS' DERIVATIVES HELD...HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE FINANCIALLY DISASTROUS.
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The part of this that is so dominant (yet to me, so purposely hidden from the investing public; not to mention the general public) is the nearly unbelievable level of total derivative turnover.

It has soared!

The latest numbers that I know of, are given from the BIS, reported last month (for June of this year). Assuming my math is correct, it amounts to: $13,667,000,000,000 DAILY. This is the (AVERAGE DAILY DERIVATIVE TURNOVER). It includes both options and futures' derivatives' contracts. It does not include (what is UNREPORTED: which I would guess is substantially more).

Why is that so relevant? Well, for one thing, among the biggest banks that participate in derivative contracts, are American and European banks.

Here's the table from BIS' own disclosures:

[link to www.bis.org (secure)] so you can see if my math is (in the ballpark).

Now, according to Bankrate.com, their article last May, giving the TOTAL ASSETS by the TOP 15 US BANKS (as they claim to use the data from S&P Global Market Intelligence), is as follows (Here's the link too):

[link to www.bankrate.com (secure)]

$13,700,000,000,000!

Hello?

Did anyone get that?

THE TOTAL ASSETS OF THE TOP 15 US BANKS...IS (ROUGHLY EXACTLY EQUAL TO - W/IN appr. 1/4 OF 1% EQUAL TO) THE AVERAGE DAILY DERIVATIVE TURNOVER!

And...the relevance of that, to all of this please, one may ask? Very simple: ANY VERY, VERY SMALL (PERCENTAGE MOVE OF THE TOTAL DAILY DERIVATIVES' CONTRACTS THAT ARE COMING DUE), AND TO THE WRONG SIDE OF THE BANKS' DERIVATIVES HELD...HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE FINANCIALLY DISASTROUS.
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I see the page for the BIS chart..."not found". I don't know why. It was/is on my thread on this topic; and just posted to it today.
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Amazon drops in earnings, is the company sinking before the holidays?


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I thought this was the GREATEST ECONOMY EVA? I guess 120 BILLION QE a day is just for fun? The whole fucking system is on a razors edge, but like 2008 most here are to ignorant to get it!
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I thought this was the GREATEST ECONOMY EVA? I guess 120 BILLION QE a day is just for fun? The whole fucking system is on a razors edge, but like 2008 most here are to ignorant to get it!
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it's all a great big fraud. smoke and mirrors.
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Amazon stock is selling off after hours as year-over-year profits fall and holiday outlook dims. It looks like under-employed, overly-indebted Americans are having a harder time going deeper into debt to buy stuff they can't afford. The Fed is going to have do a lot more not QE!

Buckle up people the economy is free falling
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it's time to unleash helicopter money aka "quantitative easing for the for the common folk."
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They pull it in 2020 guaranteeing no Trump reelection.
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Wondering what you folks think of this reasoning. I pieced this together from various things Greg Mannarino has said in his video updates the past few days, but not sure if he would veto this way of putting things together.

1. Greg says the economy is in "meltdown" or "free-fall" and regular people are now borrowing against their credit cards in record numbers just to make ends meet.

2. He also says that the Fed is making this money available to the banks at close to zero (or less than zero) interest, so that the banks can then turn around and lend the money to us peasants at huge interest rates, such as what we see on credit cards.

3. Evidently the level of corporate debt is also extraordinarily high right now, which suggests that companies are borrowing large amounts in order to stay afloat.


Is it possible that we are seeing the economy in meltdown, both from a corporate and an individual perspective, but the Fed is trying to hide that fact for a while? It creates money and lends it to banks, who then turn around and give that money to companies and people to keep them just barely solvent for a while, but at the cost of becoming deeply indebted.

Under such a scenario the pundits could continue claiming that the economy is "booming" and the consumer is "strong", because us little people can't see what is really going on behind the scenes. Each person in isolation thinks it is just them that is suffering, but really it's almost everyone. This could presumably continue for a while, as the global central banks maneuver themselves into the best possible position before cutting off the spigot of "liquidity". At that point, every indebted company and individual household will be simultaneously bankrupted, and all collateral assets will transfer to the central banks. That is, endgame.

Going against this logic however is the fact that money velocity is at an all-time low. If the money from the Fed was being dispersed to companies through loans and to individuals through credit cards, wouldn't we see the money velocity go up, potentially sparking hyper-inflation?

Thoughts? Does this make sense to you folks? I don't know if it's right or not, just trying to understand what's happening. Thanks.
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Good analysis.

I have middle class family and friends (myself included) who are personally struggling but mostly due to increased utilities (inclusive of transportation and insurance fees) as well as college and medical debt. We are fortunately not impacted by escalating “rent” due to our homes being mortgaged at a fixed rate, but this is not the case for many... Nor do food costs seem to be a major issue for us at the moment.

All of us do struggle to maintain an emergency fund due to the high costs of all the unexpected repairs (cars, plumbing, etc.). It’s one thing after another lately - stuff is made to last 5 years it seems!

Such is middle class life nowadays.

I can’t speak to their debt-to-income ratios (whether they are taking on high interest credit cards and loans), though your thoughts are understood on that topic.
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Yes , I agree. They have designed things to fail in 5 to 6 years . I have fixed most if not all of my appliances ,sometimes twice. YouTube and tools will save you a lot of money!
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Not many people have extra money to buy useless shit anymore. Car insurance ,power bills , healthcare are a rip off and expensive!
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what is it?? Europe is in chaos because of Communism and their markets are slowing
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Not many people have extra money to buy useless shit anymore. Car insurance ,power bills , healthcare are a rip off and expensive!
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Exactly, how many forks does one family need?





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