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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78078085 United States 11/06/2019 05:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can't get the vid to load but I'm familiar with that naval camouflage. It totally worked. There's always dense layers of water vapor on the sea surface & light diffuses through it creating a mirage effect. For whatever reason, those horizontal lines made ships blend in better. Of course it's utterly useless in the modern age with satellites & drones & radar etc. |
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Joe in JT User ID: 75049243 United States 11/06/2019 08:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dazzle ships? All military ships I see are light grey. All cruise ships are white, and tankers seem to be a dark red or any solid color. So it's a nice video but I have never seen a dazzle ship. I guess because dazzle paint was hard to keep up it was only used at certain times, briefly, during WW1 and WW2. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78143470 United Kingdom 11/06/2019 08:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dazzle ships? All military ships I see are light grey. All cruise ships are white, and tankers seem to be a dark red or any solid color. So it's a nice video but I have never seen a dazzle ship. I guess because dazzle paint was hard to keep up it was only used at certain times, briefly, during WW1 and WW2. Quoting: Joe in JT 75049243 The purpose of dazzle camo was to disrupt people doing rangefinding using split screen stereoscopic rangefinders (so that they could launch torpedoes) -- with these you twist a knob on the rangefinder until the two sides of the screen line up -- but with all the high contrast lines (and lots of motion, etc), it was difficult to get an accurate reading, and hence it was likely that a given torpedo would miss the target (note, this isn't so much about range, as about velocity estimation; the target motion was measured as fraction of a degree per second, and with range that can be used to calculate actual speed) Post WWII there wasn't any need, as rangefinding began to be done in different ways and torpedoes became smarter. There isn't much actual benefit in terms of the visibility of the object with dazzle camo. |
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User ID: 78007690 11/06/2019 08:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dazzle ships? All military ships I see are light grey. All cruise ships are white, and tankers seem to be a dark red or any solid color. So it's a nice video but I have never seen a dazzle ship. I guess because dazzle paint was hard to keep up it was only used at certain times, briefly, during WW1 and WW2. Quoting: Joe in JT 75049243 I would like to find a painting of a dazzle vessel from that period. |
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User ID: 77082640 United States 11/06/2019 09:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really you had to go there Isn't there enough of that on GLP now This thread is about ships at sea. sorry. Ship camouflage was art in WWI. Art? Picasso was 33 years old when WWI broke out. Cubism art movement was in 1910, pioneered by Picasso (and Georges Braque, joined by Jean Metzinger, Albert Gleizes, Robert Delaunay, Henri Le Fauconnier, and Fernand Leger). Not just crazy paintings! There was math and color, reflection and colors that mattered. Of course the artist's message was interesting as well. My father was an artist for the US Army. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77376498 United States 11/06/2019 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We still use "dazzlers" but they are optic dazzlers... ecm and all that, but a name sake nonetheless. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77258716 Saw a youtube video of a tank, one side covered with bright spotlights: I thought it was ridiculous until they pulled it up on top of a ridgeline as the sunset. Turned on the bright lights and it "disaapeared" (blended in) against the bright sky.. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76676317 United States 11/06/2019 03:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dazzle ships? All military ships I see are light grey. All cruise ships are white, and tankers seem to be a dark red or any solid color. So it's a nice video but I have never seen a dazzle ship. I guess because dazzle paint was hard to keep up it was only used at certain times, briefly, during WW1 and WW2. Quoting: Joe in JT 75049243 I would like to find a painting of a dazzle vessel from that period. Try Cranston Fine Arts. It has many artists, naval and aviation. |
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complete opposite User ID: 48114287 Estonia 11/21/2019 05:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can't get the vid to load but I'm familiar with that naval camouflage. It totally worked. There's always dense layers of water vapor on the sea surface & light diffuses through it creating a mirage effect. For whatever reason, those horizontal lines made ships blend in better. Of course it's utterly useless in the modern age with satellites & drones & radar etc. In order to launch an accurate torpedo the uboats had to know the target trajectory, distance and size. All camouflaged by the strange shapes on the sides of the boats. razzle dazzle never existed , and in reality would have been even MORE USELESS back then , and highlighted the target as most large combat ship in the 1910 era were between 300 and 500 feet in length, all an attacker had to do was ASSUME any 'razzle dazzle target was 400 feet in length - which instead of being blended in by waves and hazy sky - were highlighted by the supposed zig zag distance determined by 400 feet length as relates to tangent angle 1 degree = 60 x distance 2 degrees 30 3 degrees 20 etc razzle dazzle would make sitting ducks absurd never ever happened |
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