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Anonymous Coward User ID: 46586933 United States 11/06/2019 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Think about this story carefully, people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46586933 Three women, with their children, all leaving the colony. The press has inserted that they were "picking up their husbands" etc., but there's actually every chance they were LEAVING their husbands. Think about it. Three women driving alone in SUVs? Isn't it more logical that these three women had decided, together, to leave for some reason? Women don't travel these areas alone if at all possible, and they know that. I find the suggestion that they were "all on their way to pick up their husbands" very suspicious. Cui bono? Not a single husband was present. Not a single adult male, in fact. First it was they were traveling to a wedding, well weddings usually aren’t on Monday's or during the week Now they print this up.... Each of the three cars held mothers driving their children to see family: one to pick up her husband, another to meet her husband and move to North Dakota and the third to visit family in the neighboring state of Chihuahua, said Kendra Lee Miller. I’m suspicious of this story as well but holding off jumping to conclusions But some questions I have.... All three women had stuff to do at the exact same time and day? No kids go to school or are they home schooled? One man sees the fire and hears the explosion but doesn’t not hear the enormous amount of gun fire? How did find kids hiding in bushes and one walks 15 miles without any cartel looking for them? How did they find the little girl who wandered away from the bushes and walked 5 miles? If it’s so dangerous why no men at least leading the caravan to the border? Family members are saying that there was constant gunfire in the hills throughout the day. My question is whether the women had decided to flee local violence, or flee the cult itself (or both). |
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(OP) User ID: 75950402 United States 11/06/2019 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This story makes me absolutely sick Quoting: WhoPooted This is a war worth fighting I am 100% behind Trump Some are conflating Trumps words, it’s not a war on Mexico, it’s a war on the Cartel Mexico doesn’t want the cartel removed apparently can you imagine what would happen to any Mexican politician who openly asked for US assistance? This is Mexico, think torture, rape, burning, slicing and dicing family while you watch and go last... Ya, I hadn’t thought about that Makes a lot of sense, maybe he will take Trump up and do covert operations? ~With forethought and malice Whitless enacted an EO giving nursing homes immunity from wrongful death prosecutions, forced them to take in infected patients and is responsible for over 6500+ nursing home deaths~ |
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(OP) User ID: 75950402 United States 11/06/2019 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Think about this story carefully, people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46586933 Three women, with their children, all leaving the colony. The press has inserted that they were "picking up their husbands" etc., but there's actually every chance they were LEAVING their husbands. Think about it. Three women driving alone in SUVs? Isn't it more logical that these three women had decided, together, to leave for some reason? Women don't travel these areas alone if at all possible, and they know that. I find the suggestion that they were "all on their way to pick up their husbands" very suspicious. Cui bono? Not a single husband was present. Not a single adult male, in fact. First it was they were traveling to a wedding, well weddings usually aren’t on Monday's or during the week Now they print this up.... Each of the three cars held mothers driving their children to see family: one to pick up her husband, another to meet her husband and move to North Dakota and the third to visit family in the neighboring state of Chihuahua, said Kendra Lee Miller. I’m suspicious of this story as well but holding off jumping to conclusions But some questions I have.... All three women had stuff to do at the exact same time and day? No kids go to school or are they home schooled? One man sees the fire and hears the explosion but doesn’t not hear the enormous amount of gun fire? How did find kids hiding in bushes and one walks 15 miles without any cartel looking for them? How did they find the little girl who wandered away from the bushes and walked 5 miles? If it’s so dangerous why no men at least leading the caravan to the border? Family members are saying that there was constant gunfire in the hills throughout the day. My question is whether the women had decided to flee local violence, or flee the cult itself (or both). Ya, I know, that’s the million dollar question Not one damn reporter digs for answers any more ~With forethought and malice Whitless enacted an EO giving nursing homes immunity from wrongful death prosecutions, forced them to take in infected patients and is responsible for over 6500+ nursing home deaths~ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46586933 United States 11/06/2019 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | With all due respect to the families hurt in this latest murder spree, this Church of the Firstborn has been historically responsible for an incredible amount of violence amongst its own members, and between itself and other fundamentalist splinter groups. |
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(OP) User ID: 75950402 United States 11/06/2019 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But we have to take the "constant gunfire in the hills" with a grain of salt - that would be good cover if they were trying to get suspicion off of the group itself. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46586933 He had to have heard rapid gun fire before the car caught on fire He could see the fire and hear the explosion If he can see the fire he’s close enough to hear the guns, look at the car, it’s riddled with holes ~With forethought and malice Whitless enacted an EO giving nursing homes immunity from wrongful death prosecutions, forced them to take in infected patients and is responsible for over 6500+ nursing home deaths~ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 49598504 United States 11/06/2019 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Getting rid of the cartels is critical to the illegal immigration problem. Mexico is a beautiful country and the people would prefer living there if things were better. Companies would come and things would improve. Mexico is controlled by a group of 13 multi-billionaire families. They consider themselves to be royalty and the people trying to come here are their peasants. Better conditions and jobs there would also help people to not join the gangs/cartels. I'm in Texas and had a LONG talk with an illegal guy about this. He saif flat out that getting rid of the cartels is the #1 thing that needs to be done in Mexico. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64698495 United States 11/06/2019 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | more weirdness. Quoting: Aubrey Clare please look over here.. IDK?? [link to twitter.com (secure)] What's really going on in Mexico? (rhetorical) These two have some striking similarities. I’m not understanding who those girls are Are they supposed to be the same and why is one with Obama ? IDK. [link to twitter.com (secure)] Q has Obama pictured with her over many years. (copy/ paste) Ashley @MrsPatriot3 · 14m Replying to @MrsPatriot3 Clarification: I do not think these two ladies are the same person, but possibly related. Could this be Wendy? A firstborn? [link to twitter.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46586933 United States 11/06/2019 02:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is potentially significant: The Church of the Firstborn in the Fullness of Times has a yearly conference, held in October. I grew up in a fundamentalist sect, and there were often big whoop-de-doos after the yearly conference--some new proclamation, doctrinal change or policy change would be made which caused heated disagreements. Something to think about. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76879470 United States 11/06/2019 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A suspect is in custody after nine family members believed to be U.S. citizens were killed Monday in northern Mexico, according to Mexican officials and relatives of the victims. Quoting: ~kpm~ Update 4:38 a.m. EST Nov. 6: Mexican authorities have arrested a suspect in connection with the slaying of three women and six children in northern Mexico, The Associated Press reported early Wednesday. The Agency for Criminal Investigation in Sonora announced in a Facebook post that the suspect, whose name has not been released, was apprehended in Agua Prieta with two bound, gagged hostages. The suspect also had four assault rifles, ammunition and large vehicles, the post said. [link to www.wsoctv.com (secure)] They were probably over there picking up young girls for their sex cult |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78104800 United States 11/06/2019 02:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | more weirdness. Quoting: Aubrey Clare please look over here.. IDK?? [link to twitter.com (secure)] What's really going on in Mexico? (rhetorical) These two have some striking similarities. Indeed. I am leaning towards this not being a legit "cult" but more spec ops kind of thing a la Jim Jones. Change names to these LeBarons. It seems too CIA oriented to be organically religious group. I definitely am leaning towards these women being set up, knocked off, falsely pinned on "cartels" as the perps. What's happened with Epstein has long tentacles. He was a set up op, too. Emboldened victims going public. They might be trying to roll up and cut off some loose strings. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46586933 United States 11/06/2019 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the minicipality of Galeana, the Lebaron family is know as "the Galeana Cartel" and they are hated by many. They are US citizens who have both the protection of the US feds, and the Mexican feds. The family has dedicated many decades to drug trafficking, a fact well-known to the residents of Buenaventura and Galeana. Under both US and Mexican federal protection, this family has committed a significant number of abuses against people in the area, including land theft, illegal commandeering of aquifer wells affecting hundreds of farmers, and more. Very bad juju. The list of potential suspects in yesterday's will be very long. Certainly, the fact that all three women were leaving town with their children cannot be insignificant. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77500863 United States 11/06/2019 03:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the minicipality of Galeana, the Lebaron family is know as "the Galeana Cartel" and they are hated by many. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46586933 They are US citizens who have both the protection of the US feds, and the Mexican feds. The family has dedicated many decades to drug trafficking, a fact well-known to the residents of Buenaventura and Galeana. Under both US and Mexican federal protection, this family has committed a significant number of abuses against people in the area, including land theft, illegal commandeering of aquifer wells affecting hundreds of farmers, and more. Very bad juju. The list of potential suspects in yesterday's will be very long. Certainly, the fact that all three women were leaving town with their children cannot be insignificant. while I as watching that video about them, I kept wondering where the hell did they get all that money for their nice buildings, farm equipment, houses, trucks, etc. surely, selling dried chiles was not the source for that kind of wealth. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46586933 United States 11/06/2019 03:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From 2018: The LeBarón are owners of thousands of hectares of a desert area that includes territories of the municipalities of Villa Ahumada, Buenaventura and Flores Magón, where they have allegedly drilled more than 2,000 illegal wells. That and other abuses have been so bad, in fact, that locals have been protesting the LeBarons, and finally formed a citizens' group, El Barzon, to try and gather enough political pressure to force the government to start prosecuting the cult's crimes. The LeBarons have threatened to behead the activists and reporters who have been trying to bring this issue to the public's attention. [link to vanguardia.com.mx (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77212983 United States 11/06/2019 03:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not sure if anyone has checked this out yet, but I found the Colony on google maps, and it IS a legit colony. Probably around 1k people living in the direct area, with around 3k within a 30 mile radius total (according to Mexican Census data). [link to www.google.com (secure)] |
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User ID: 73724632 United States 11/06/2019 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Think about this story carefully, people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46586933 Three women, with their children, all leaving the colony. The press has inserted that they were "picking up their husbands" etc., but there's actually every chance they were LEAVING their husbands. Think about it. Three women driving alone in SUVs? Isn't it more logical that these three women had decided, together, to leave for some reason? Women don't travel these areas alone if at all possible, and they know that. I find the suggestion that they were "all on their way to pick up their husbands" very suspicious. Cui bono? Not a single husband was present. Not a single adult male, in fact. First it was they were traveling to a wedding, well weddings usually aren’t on Monday's or during the week Now they print this up.... Each of the three cars held mothers driving their children to see family: one to pick up her husband, another to meet her husband and move to North Dakota and the third to visit family in the neighboring state of Chihuahua, said Kendra Lee Miller. I’m suspicious of this story as well but holding off jumping to conclusions But some questions I have.... All three women had stuff to do at the exact same time and day? No kids go to school or are they home schooled? One man sees the fire and hears the explosion but doesn’t not hear the enormous amount of gun fire? How did find kids hiding in bushes and one walks 15 miles without any cartel looking for them? How did they find the little girl who wandered away from the bushes and walked 5 miles? If it’s so dangerous why no men at least leading the caravan to the border? Family members are saying that there was constant gunfire in the hills throughout the day. My question is whether the women had decided to flee local violence, or flee the cult itself (or both). Ya, I know, that’s the million dollar question Not one damn reporter digs for answers any more AC brings up an excellent point. Who would leave women and children ALONE IN MEXICO with no males, no guards? Especially in an area apparently known for violence? That makes no sense. Do we know what direction they were heading for? Maybe they were going to flee back to US. Polygamy sucks. Never works, very very bad system for women and young men too. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78136411 United States 11/06/2019 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A suspect is in custody after nine family members believed to be U.S. citizens were killed Monday in northern Mexico, according to Mexican officials and relatives of the victims. Quoting: ~kpm~ Update 4:38 a.m. EST Nov. 6: Mexican authorities have arrested a suspect in connection with the slaying of three women and six children in northern Mexico, The Associated Press reported early Wednesday. The Agency for Criminal Investigation in Sonora announced in a Facebook post that the suspect, whose name has not been released, was apprehended in Agua Prieta with two bound, gagged hostages. The suspect also had four assault rifles, ammunition and large vehicles, the post said. [link to www.wsoctv.com (secure)] They will have a lone gunmen take the blame it seems. This was a gang of men in my opinion. There had to be at least two people involved, the cars were in different locations No way someone could shoot up the first car then speed ahead 10 miles to find the others This was a coordinated attack The killers knew these people would be on the road I’m with you. Something’s up. Cartel don’t just open fire in US citizens - especially a group of women-children. I’m not sure how I feel about the NXIVM connection. Raniere did have some Mexicans in NY but the girl he locked in room for a year was Hispanic - not Mormon. There could’ve been other girls or recruited from that town? Dunno. This 2012 documentary explaining the area is pretty crazy. Last half goes into detail of the Romney family. It’s Vice but worth the watch. I actually think the purpose was to be a hit piece against Romney. Gotta love the 'HSBC' sign at 28:26. -Follow the $$... |
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(OP) User ID: 75950402 United States 11/06/2019 03:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | LeBarons shooting at a group of men, women and children who came to protest the LeBaron family's thefts: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46586933 Where were all the LeBaron men when these women and kids were traveling in an SUV caravan alone? Many of us are wondering if the women were fleeing ~With forethought and malice Whitless enacted an EO giving nursing homes immunity from wrongful death prosecutions, forced them to take in infected patients and is responsible for over 6500+ nursing home deaths~ |
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User ID: 8753707 United States 11/06/2019 03:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It seems I read about this group of off-shoot Mormons living there, and how the local gangsters didn't like them, so they were having to arm themselves and travel in caravans as they were under threat. It sounds like the cartel finally got them, though the news seems silent on the background info. Peepaws |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78005646 United States 11/06/2019 04:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I haven't read this thread or been online for two months/lack of payment but this story on the nightly news sounds like there is a much bigger story than what we are being told. We're these people drug runners or involved in shady dealings somewhere along the way because to kill the women and children sounds personal. |
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(OP) User ID: 75950402 United States 11/06/2019 04:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I haven't read this thread or been online for two months/lack of payment but this story on the nightly news sounds like there is a much bigger story than what we are being told. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78005646 We're these people drug runners or involved in shady dealings somewhere along the way because to kill the women and children sounds personal. The family has a checkered pass All the facts don’t appear to line up Whatever happened, women and children paid the price ~With forethought and malice Whitless enacted an EO giving nursing homes immunity from wrongful death prosecutions, forced them to take in infected patients and is responsible for over 6500+ nursing home deaths~ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59100296 United States 11/06/2019 04:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for the pin Scrump! Wonder why they won’t release the name and who the hostages may be? Are they from the same family? Where did the thug get a bullet-proof vehicle? Simple really. He is the fall guy for the cartel because the US was about to lay a ass whooping on them. Im sure his family received lots of drug money in exchange for him taking the fall. There is a reason they are called "gangs" So his gang puts him on guard duty in a disputed territory all alone? And then he takes on an entire convoy of a rival gang also alone? Where were his homies and reinforcements? These guys are ex soldiers and know how to attack convoys and its never using just 1 man. Who is this guy-Rambo? Basically it happened like this. The Mexican president called his buddy who runs this specific cartel and said "America is pissed and they demand justice" This is what we get. One patsy |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76809044 United States 11/06/2019 04:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for the pin Scrump! Wonder why they won’t release the name and who the hostages may be? Are they from the same family? Where did the thug get a bullet-proof vehicle? Simple really. He is the fall guy for the cartel because the US was about to lay a ass whooping on them. Im sure his family received lots of drug money in exchange for him taking the fall. There is a reason they are called "gangs" So his gang puts him on guard duty in a disputed territory all alone? And then he takes on an entire convoy of a rival gang also alone? Where were his homies and reinforcements? These guys are ex soldiers and know how to attack convoys and its never using just 1 man. Who is this guy-Rambo? Basically it happened like this. The Mexican president called his buddy who runs this specific cartel and said "America is pissed and they demand justice" This is what we get. One patsy the U.S. State Department's reply: oh, o.k. never mind. |