Does Jesus want me to follow the laws of the Old Testament? Yes or no?

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Why dont you read the bible and work it out for yourself?

If you ask mere men...mere answers are all you will ever get.

Ask the Author.

If anyone knows...its Him.

The bible was written by men, edited by men. It's not God's holy anything and was not inspired by God at all. It was compiled from word-of-mouth stories which came hundreds of years after Christ was gone. The old testament is the Torah, Jewish books and Jewish law talking about a brutal son-of-a-bitch Jewish god, who, btw, wasn't a "god" at all but an ET from a planet called Jehovah, Jehovah's Witnesses, get it?

The real God would never have a "chosen people". He plays no favorites. Neither would he ever order or demand genocides, wars and bloodshed and live sacrifices to appease him. You can't appease God. He doesn't have an ego that can played too. He loves all equally and without reservation which is something man doesn't do. In short, he doesn't take sides but there are sides and we must choose which side we're on...Light or Dark.

If you want to adhere to the bible, as misguiding as it is, to still serve God, then toss the OT, toss it's murderous grossness.

The New Testament contains much more of Jesus' message of love, brotherhood and the Kingdom of God. But be careful there too as much has been added and ommitted by men with an agenda for religious control instead of spiritual truth and liberation.

And speaking of spiritual liberation...Jesus did not die for your sins. He was just executed by the Pharisees (pretending to be J ews today) because his message of love, brotherhood and the truth of the Kingdom of God was a threat to the religious doctrine of the day (as it still is today. They would crucify him again if they could. That is in fact what easter is really about. Repeated crucifixion every year).

Christ did not, and cannot, take responsibility for free will actions and choices of people that wasn't born yet or wouldn't be born for hundreds and thousands of years afterwards and into eternity as the belief goes. That's just a ridiculous notion. None are responsible for another's free will actions, only their own, and it's no different for God and Jesus. You are not absolved from the affects of your actions and choices. You are responsible for them and will have to account for them and never will it be different. This idea is actually a variation on the idea of Yom Kippur where atonement by one for sins absolves you from responsibility for all future sins. A ridiculous idea. See - [link to www.hebcal.com (secure)] and make the comparison.

In fact, if you want more truth than your bible could ever give you (even if it had to be compromised as well to please the Jewish world masters) the read the sections on Jesus' life in the Urantia book. You'll get much more there than you could imagine and really get to know the real Jesus and the real truth of the Kingdom of God.

Last Edited by WhiteFly on 11/09/2019 07:12 AM

Follow as many laws as you can.

Start by giving up bacon/pork.

"For whatever is not from faith is sin." Romans 14:23

No man will be saved by his performance at "keeping" the law.

Not even ONE.

Faith in Christ is what accounts a man righteous.

Read Leviticus and Deuteronomy and you’ll see that many of the OT laws are illegal now. So you would get arrested and go to prison for following those laws. You already pick and choose which OT laws to follow, same as Jesus did. The answer is clear, Follow the laws of the country you live in, not the laws of the Old Testament.

Can you support that claim with scripture that is NOT from Paul.

Love fulfills the law and if you want the truth Calendar to celebrate your parties get a New Jerusalem Calendar.

The New Testament explains the Torah. Likewise in the Torah there are hints about the New Testament. The Bible is ONE BOOK.

Shabbat Shalom!


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To those saying we don't need teachers, consider Paul's words..

Eph 4:11
(11)  And He Himself gave some as emissaries, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as shepherds and teachers

Rabbi Steve is a fantastic teacher that I have been sitting under for the past 4 years.

For those who are stuck on the Rabbi title...


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MTOI/Beth Shalom is a wonderful congregation and is focused on working together to serve the body.

Shabbat service begins at 1:15, I hope to "see" you there.

No Jesus would not

Jesus would say that the ppl following old testament

All have a vail covering there eyes

They are tobstiff necked or hard of heart

As Jesus stated, He fulfilled all of the OT laws with His arrival, death, and resurrection.

So, no, you absolutely do not have to follow OT laws.

There is a messianic movement right now which is trying to convince Christians that they must adhere to Noetic Law.

This is antichrist.

It seeks to erase what Jesus did.

Meanwhile, Jesus did reinforce 9 or the 10 Commandments. Not only did he reinforce them, he upped the spiritual ante.

For example, Jesus said that to look at a woman with lust is committing adultery in your heart; to hate someone is to commit murder in your heart: etc. He took outward sins, actions, and moved them inward, to where they begin, in the spirit.

The only commandment Jesus did not reinforce is the Sabbath, because He became the Sabbath.

We are to walk after and rest in Christ every moment, not just one day a week.

Again, you can see the ante being upped again here.

So, if any Noetic law-pushing "Christian" tries to imprison you back into the old law, tell them they do not at all understand why Jesus came, or what He did.

Mar 12:30 'And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.

Joh 14:15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments.

1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.

he was eager to keep Passover. so if he keeps the Old testament , then I guess so should we

Matthew 26:17-19

Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?" And He said, "Go into the city to a certain man, and say to him, 'The Teacher says, "My time is near; I am to keep the Passover at your house with My disciples."'" The disciples did as Jesus had directed them; and they prepared the Passover.

Your minds so twisted that I bet you think a corkscrew is a ruler.

Matthew 5:17-20 King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

The New Testament tells you which old testament laws to follow.


Philippians 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Create your own religion you leeches. Christianity is outdated, past its expiration date by a thousand years You are not even from the middle east you weirdos.

You people are worse than those new York types who go play in shit in India and come back wearing a robe and beard. You people need your own culture it's fukkin embarrassing for the human race.

The law IS SPIRTUAL

what is do not eat bacon/pork therefore?
A COMMANDMENT OF MEN

If you have a Holy Bible in one hand and a New Jerusalem Calendar in the other hand and you are the truth by showing love then you are a complete Christian.

That is wonderful that you want to ge "good". What is our role model for such goodness? Indeed, Jesus may serve as such a role model.

As a free-will human being (whether Christian of not), you have the choice of what to follow or not. The Old Testament is certainly not a pleasant thing to follow - it is more like a bloodthirsty account of annanuki history.

The problematic word here is the word FOLLOW. We did not incarnate into this world to follow others but to FOLLOW OUR OWN DIVINE INTUITION, and this can be done through seeking quiet moments, closing your eyes and asking WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO KNOW NOW, for example.

Learn to trust YOURSELF in this way as much as possible. The answers you receive will be full of wisdom, as you will see over time, and thus you will be following a "good" path.




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Looks like God does not like swine in the future either.

Isa 66:17 "Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves, to go to the gardens after an idol in the midst, eating swine's flesh and the abomination and the mouse, shall be consumed together," says the LORD.

yes! but you are not saved by their being followed- you are saved by full faith & belief in Christ sacrifice for your sin

Careful...


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Also, one cannot go "back into the old law" if one has never been "into" it.

I feel the need to add this teaching as well. It will absolutely blow your mind.


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Swine’s flesh is spiritual. Physical ham and bacon tastes good and doesn’t matter if you physically eat it.

Spiritually swines flesh means religious slop. All of the false religions. You don’t want to feed your mind the slop of the false religions.

You only need to follow one.

Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength


Jesus freed us from Old Testament dietary restrictions

No. Those laws were largely written by a false impostor with a massive ego. They are completely unnecessary to be saved. Just be good and repent.