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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78152091 India 11/09/2019 08:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The law IS SPIRTUAL what is do not eat bacon/pork therefore? A COMMANDMENT OF MEN Looks like God does not like swine in the future either. Isa 66:17 "Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves, to go to the gardens after an idol in the midst, eating swine's flesh and the abomination and the mouse, shall be consumed together," says the LORD. Swine’s flesh is spiritual. Physical ham and bacon tastes good and doesn’t matter if you physically eat it. Spiritually swines flesh means religious slop. All of the false religions. You don’t want to feed your mind the slop of the false religions. You're just putting a "spiritual" spin on it. God prohibited His people from eating specific animals like pigs and shrimps. |
Theobromine The Deplorable
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76626437 United States 11/09/2019 08:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The bible was written by men, edited by men. It's not God's holy anything and was not inspired by God at all. It was compiled from word-of-mouth stories which came hundreds of years after Christ was gone. The old testament is the Torah, Jewish books and Jewish law talking about a brutal son-of-a-bitch Jewish god, who, btw, wasn't a "god" at all but an ET from a planet called Jehovah, Jehovah's Witnesses, get it? Quoting: WhiteFly The real God would never have a "chosen people". He plays no favorites. Neither would he ever order or demand genocides, wars and bloodshed and live sacrifices to appease him. You can't appease God. He doesn't have an ego that can played too. He loves all equally and without reservation which is something man doesn't do. In short, he doesn't take sides but there are sides and we must choose which side we're on...Light or Dark. If you want to adhere to the bible, as misguiding as it is, to still serve God, then toss the OT, toss it's murderous grossness. The New Testament contains much more of Jesus' message of love, brotherhood and the Kingdom of God. But be careful there too as much has been added and ommitted by men with an agenda for religious control instead of spiritual truth and liberation. And speaking of spiritual liberation...Jesus did not die for your sins. He was just executed by the Pharisees (pretending to be J ews today) because his message of love, brotherhood and the truth of the Kingdom of God was a threat to the religious doctrine of the day (as it still is today. They would crucify him again if they could. That is in fact what easter is really about. Repeated crucifixion every year). Christ did not, and cannot, take responsibility for free will actions and choices of people that wasn't born yet or wouldn't be born for hundreds and thousands of years afterwards and into eternity as the belief goes. That's just a ridiculous notion. None are responsible for another's free will actions, only their own, and it's no different for God and Jesus. You are not absolved from the affects of your actions and choices. You are responsible for them and will have to account for them and never will it be different. This idea is actually a variation on the idea of Yom Kippur where atonement by one for sins absolves you from responsibility for all future sins. A ridiculous idea. See - [link to www.hebcal.com (secure)] and make the comparison. In fact, if you want more truth than your bible could ever give you (even if it had to be compromised as well to please the Jewish world masters) the read the sections on Jesus' life in the Urantia book. You'll get much more there than you could imagine and really get to know the real Jesus and the real truth of the Kinddom of God. someone gets it. God is not some sky Al Capone. |
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Achduke7
User ID: 78023456 United States 11/09/2019 08:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The law IS SPIRTUAL what is do not eat bacon/pork therefore? A COMMANDMENT OF MEN Looks like God does not like swine in the future either. Isa 66:17 "Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves, to go to the gardens after an idol in the midst, eating swine's flesh and the abomination and the mouse, shall be consumed together," says the LORD. Swine’s flesh is spiritual. Physical ham and bacon tastes good and doesn’t matter if you physically eat it. Spiritually swines flesh means religious slop. All of the false religions. You don’t want to feed your mind the slop of the false religions. Not that I believe it is only spiritual but God uses swine as a repesentatuon of being bad and wrong yet you think it is ok to eat it? Achduke |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78148524 United States 11/09/2019 08:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I want to be good. I love Him. Quoting: quizpaids But I want a straight answer, not moral relativism. Must I follow the laws of the Old Testament? Or do we Christians get to pick and choose what we want to follow? All I want is clarity not confusion. Yes or no? Most of the laws in the OT are crap ... Stop following and starting living the 20 commandments. Found in Phoenix Journal # 27. |
TheLordsServant
User ID: 70367103 United States 11/09/2019 08:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The notion that Jesus did away with the Law is a total misunderstanding of scripture as verses from the New Testament are "cherry-picked" to support the doctrine. Jesus and the Apostles followed the 10 C's and ALSO observed the feasts etc... At the same time though, Noahide Laws are not in the Bible - they are a supposed tradition as told in the Talmud. All that said, the 10 Commandments and the other 603 laws given in the Torah have nothing to do with Salvation. Salvation has ALWAYS been about God's grace (forgiveness) given to us through Faith and Repentence. Proof? Abraham sinned - and yet Jesus mentions that he & Lazarus are on the other side of the "divide", away from the "rich man". Abraham's Faith was counted as righteousness. Moses sinned - and yet we see him at Jesus' Transfiguration. This is 19 mins - and a fairly decent explanation. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] 22 mins [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
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TheLordsServant
User ID: 70367103 United States 11/09/2019 08:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Old Testsment for the tribe Quoting: Theobromine The Deplorable New testament for those of Jesus Christ NONSENSE Paulinism. The Bible is ONE book - all the smaller books in it are intertwined. [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
Schmoopee
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TheLordsServant
User ID: 70367103 United States 11/09/2019 08:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Old Testsment for the tribe Quoting: Theobromine The Deplorable New testament for those of Jesus Christ Christians cannot follow all of Levitical law and stay Christians. They would naturally become judeochristians. The old testament laws declare a state of war against anyone and everyone else. The Laws for the priests / rabbis never applied to "common / everyday" folks. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76626437 United States 11/09/2019 08:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The notion that Jesus did away with the Law is a total misunderstanding of scripture as verses from the New Testament are "cherry-picked" to support the doctrine. Quoting: TheLordsServant Jesus and the Apostles followed the 10 C's and ALSO observed the feasts etc... At the same time though, Noahide Laws are not in the Bible - they are a supposed tradition as told in the Talmud. All that said, the 10 Commandments and the other 603 laws given in the Torah have nothing to do with Salvation. Salvation has ALWAYS been about God's grace (forgiveness) given to us through Faith and Repentence. Proof? Abraham sinned - and yet Jesus mentions that he & Lazarus are on the other side of the "divide", away from the "rich man". Abraham's Faith was counted as righteousness. Moses sinned - and yet we see him at Jesus' Transfiguration. This is 19 mins - and a fairly decent explanation. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] 22 mins [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] The old testament is fiction, and the dear ones didnt even follow the functionsllaw, they only followed the ritual laws. They were and remain an invading, destroying and subverting law, keeping their self created desert god for themselves alone. They need a designated prey class and they wrote a book to declare everyone else fair game with no limits for them, the 'holy' predators. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76626437 United States 11/09/2019 08:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Old Testsment for the tribe Quoting: Theobromine The Deplorable New testament for those of Jesus Christ Christians cannot follow all of Levitical law and stay Christians. They would naturally become judeochristians. The old testament laws declare a state of war against anyone and everyone else. The Laws for the priests / rabbis never applied to "common / everyday" folks. Only in the criminal mind, do criminals declare themselves annointed by their criminal god. |
Achduke7
User ID: 78023456 United States 11/09/2019 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Old Testsment for the tribe Quoting: Theobromine The Deplorable New testament for those of Jesus Christ Christians cannot follow all of Levitical law and stay Christians. They would naturally become judeochristians. The old testament laws declare a state of war against anyone and everyone else. Christian means elect or annointed. A follower of Christ. It is not a religion. During Paul's time they called themselves the "way or path". Jesus said he is the way. The levitical laws cannot be followed without a priesthood even by Israel. Achduke |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76626437 United States 11/09/2019 09:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The OT plainly lays out that the 10 commandment are not Tribal law, for they didnt follow the 10 while they coveted, subverted, fornicated stole, bearing false witness and murdered mend women and children in ethnic cleansing of the other desert tribes. They didnt follow them, they only used them to convict all others claiming that others did what they themselves were doing. Thats why even to this day, when they accuse others of intrinsic criminality, as do Shumer, Shiff, Warner, Blumenthal, and all the rest, they have no shame of their own sins against others, they just declare to see sin in everyone elses actions and demand they be judge, jury and inevitably executioners of the evil gentiles. |
Schmoopee
User ID: 77967640 United States 11/09/2019 09:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The notion that Jesus did away with the Law is a total misunderstanding of scripture as verses from the New Testament are "cherry-picked" to support the doctrine. Quoting: TheLordsServant Jesus and the Apostles followed the 10 C's and ALSO observed the feasts etc... At the same time though, Noahide Laws are not in the Bible - they are a supposed tradition as told in the Talmud. All that said, the 10 Commandments and the other 603 laws given in the Torah have nothing to do with Salvation. Salvation has ALWAYS been about God's grace (forgiveness) given to us through Faith and Repentence. Proof? Abraham sinned - and yet Jesus mentions that he & Lazarus are on the other side of the "divide", away from the "rich man". Abraham's Faith was counted as righteousness. Moses sinned - and yet we see him at Jesus' Transfiguration. This is 19 mins - and a fairly decent explanation. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] 22 mins [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] What exactly is grace? This teaching examines each and every Scripture that speaks of grace. [link to youtu.be (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76626437 United States 11/09/2019 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Old Testsment for the tribe Quoting: Theobromine The Deplorable New testament for those of Jesus Christ Christians cannot follow all of Levitical law and stay Christians. They would naturally become judeochristians. The old testament laws declare a state of war against anyone and everyone else. Christian means elect or annointed. A follower of Christ. It is not a religion. During Paul's time they called themselves the "way or path". Jesus said he is the way. The levitical laws cannot be followed without a priesthood even by Israel. The FACT, when you scrape all the bullshit propaganda off of it, is that Levitical law teaches and commands THEFT and ABUSE of gentiles. Lev 25. 44-46 is the proof of it, it is the focus of evil and malice to all others as a 'holy' directive. That is clearly a law that requires one to be evil and, coincidentally requires the dear ones to steal the very lives and liberty from all those around them, not like its not obvious in their day to day activities. It doesnt matter any of the more normal and high soundings laws, when the real basis of it is to steal and destroy the lives of others for their desert gods blood lust. A chain is as strong only as the weakest link and the above is the weakest link of all, |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78124483 Australia 11/09/2019 09:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Old Testsment for the tribe Quoting: Theobromine The Deplorable New testament for those of Jesus Christ Christians cannot follow all of Levitical law and stay Christians. They would naturally become judeochristians. The old testament laws declare a state of war against anyone and everyone else. The Laws for the priests / rabbis never applied to "common / everyday" folks. Where does it say these rules are for priests/rabbis, BUT these laws are for the 'commoners'? . |
TheLordsServant
User ID: 70367103 United States 11/09/2019 09:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The notion that Jesus did away with the Law is a total misunderstanding of scripture as verses from the New Testament are "cherry-picked" to support the doctrine. Quoting: TheLordsServant Jesus and the Apostles followed the 10 C's and ALSO observed the feasts etc... At the same time though, Noahide Laws are not in the Bible - they are a supposed tradition as told in the Talmud. All that said, the 10 Commandments and the other 603 laws given in the Torah have nothing to do with Salvation. Salvation has ALWAYS been about God's grace (forgiveness) given to us through Faith and Repentence. Proof? Abraham sinned - and yet Jesus mentions that he & Lazarus are on the other side of the "divide", away from the "rich man". Abraham's Faith was counted as righteousness. Moses sinned - and yet we see him at Jesus' Transfiguration. This is 19 mins - and a fairly decent explanation. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] 22 mins [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] The old testament is fiction, and the dear ones didnt even follow the functionsllaw, they only followed the ritual laws. They were and remain an invading, destroying and subverting law, keeping their self created desert god for themselves alone. They need a designated prey class and they wrote a book to declare everyone else fair game with no limits for them, the 'holy' predators. The Old Testament is fiction? In reality, there is not one single shred of evidence OF ANY KIND that actually DISPROVES any of the vast majority of events in the Bible. Dozens of people AND hundreds of places mentioned in the Bible have been proven to exist. Here's a 191 page free PDF of Biblical Archaeological finds. [link to www.israelite.net] Evidence for the Exodus and Sodom & Gomorrah Thread: Updated - New Videos / Evidence of the Biblical Exodus in Saudi Arabia - Hebrews / Mt Sinai More Thread: Sodom Gomorrah Admah - Video & Photographic Evidence of Biblical Destruction Brimstone I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
TheLordsServant
User ID: 70367103 United States 11/09/2019 09:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Old Testsment for the tribe Quoting: Theobromine The Deplorable New testament for those of Jesus Christ Christians cannot follow all of Levitical law and stay Christians. They would naturally become judeochristians. The old testament laws declare a state of war against anyone and everyone else. The Laws for the priests / rabbis never applied to "common / everyday" folks. Only in the criminal mind, do criminals declare themselves annointed by their criminal god. The Hebrews were criminals? What are you - a Nephilim descendent? I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76626437 United States 11/09/2019 09:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The notion that Jesus did away with the Law is a total misunderstanding of scripture as verses from the New Testament are "cherry-picked" to support the doctrine. Quoting: TheLordsServant Jesus and the Apostles followed the 10 C's and ALSO observed the feasts etc... At the same time though, Noahide Laws are not in the Bible - they are a supposed tradition as told in the Talmud. All that said, the 10 Commandments and the other 603 laws given in the Torah have nothing to do with Salvation. Salvation has ALWAYS been about God's grace (forgiveness) given to us through Faith and Repentence. Proof? Abraham sinned - and yet Jesus mentions that he & Lazarus are on the other side of the "divide", away from the "rich man". Abraham's Faith was counted as righteousness. Moses sinned - and yet we see him at Jesus' Transfiguration. This is 19 mins - and a fairly decent explanation. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] 22 mins [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] What exactly is grace? This teaching examines each and every Scripture that speaks of grace. [link to youtu.be (secure)] Grace, in so many words is simply forgiveness, something not found in the old testament or any of its so called laws. The theme of forgiveness doesnt exist in the old testament, at least not for gentiles, even those too young to have done anything wrong. The OT is about claims of group benefits and group liabilities. The NT is about individual behaviors and individual motivations and deeds. They are not the same thing, they are, in effect total opposites and cannot be merged with any logic or sincerity |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78124483 Australia 11/09/2019 09:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76626437 Christians cannot follow all of Levitical law and stay Christians. They would naturally become judeochristians. The old testament laws declare a state of war against anyone and everyone else. The Laws for the priests / rabbis never applied to "common / everyday" folks. Only in the criminal mind, do criminals declare themselves annointed by their criminal god. The Hebrews were criminals? What are you - a Nephilim descendent? What are you? A so called 'loving christian'? . |
TheLordsServant
User ID: 70367103 United States 11/09/2019 09:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What exactly is grace? This teaching examines each and every Scripture that speaks of grace. Quoting: Schmoopee [link to youtu.be (secure)] I will watch this today and comment later. Noah found grace - he was spared death from the flood. Noah also believed and had Faith - which is why Father God called on him to build the Ark. With grace comes forgiveness - and I'm sure that Noah wasn't a "perfect human" as ALL sin at one time or another. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76626437 United States 11/09/2019 09:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76626437 Christians cannot follow all of Levitical law and stay Christians. They would naturally become judeochristians. The old testament laws declare a state of war against anyone and everyone else. The Laws for the priests / rabbis never applied to "common / everyday" folks. Only in the criminal mind, do criminals declare themselves annointed by their criminal god. The Hebrews were criminals? What are you - a Nephilim descendent? Keep your ramblings of myth and lengend to yourself at least in debating real things, I do not buy any of your tribal entitlement mythology of believe in your old book of lies. YOUR unprovable claims do NOT bind me to them, for they left no objective track in the desert sands and are no measure or legitimate claim for anything. |
khoisansun
User ID: 78149002 South Africa 11/09/2019 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The bible was written by men, edited by men. It's not God's holy anything and was not inspired by God at all. It was compiled from word-of-mouth stories which came hundreds of years after Christ was gone. The old testament is the Torah, Jewish books and Jewish law talking about a brutal son-of-a-bitch Jewish god, who, btw, wasn't a "god" at all but an ET from a planet called Jehovah, Jehovah's Witnesses, get it? Quoting: WhiteFly The real God would never have a "chosen people". He plays no favorites. Neither would he ever order or demand genocides, wars and bloodshed and live sacrifices to appease him. You can't appease God. He doesn't have an ego that can played too. He loves all equally and without reservation which is something man doesn't do. In short, he doesn't take sides but there are sides and we must choose which side we're on...Light or Dark. If you want to adhere to the bible, as misguiding as it is, to still serve God, then toss the OT, toss it's murderous grossness. The New Testament contains much more of Jesus' message of love, brotherhood and the Kingdom of God. But be careful there too as much has been added and ommitted by men with an agenda for religious control instead of spiritual truth and liberation. And speaking of spiritual liberation...Jesus did not die for your sins. He was just executed by the Pharisees (pretending to be J ews today) because his message of love, brotherhood and the truth of the Kingdom of God was a threat to the religious doctrine of the day (as it still is today. They would crucify him again if they could. That is in fact what easter is really about. Repeated crucifixion every year). Christ did not, and cannot, take responsibility for free will actions and choices of people that wasn't born yet or wouldn't be born for hundreds and thousands of years afterwards and into eternity as the belief goes. That's just a ridiculous notion. None are responsible for another's free will actions, only their own, and it's no different for God and Jesus. You are not absolved from the affects of your actions and choices. You are responsible for them and will have to account for them and never will it be different. This idea is actually a variation on the idea of Yom Kippur where atonement by one for sins absolves you from responsibility for all future sins. A ridiculous idea. See - [link to www.hebcal.com (secure)] and make the comparison. In fact, if you want more truth than your bible could ever give you (even if it had to be compromised as well to please the Jewish world masters) the read the sections on Jesus' life in the Urantia book. You'll get much more there than you could imagine and really get to know the real Jesus and the real truth of the Kingdom of God. Having been a serious seeker of truth all my life today I got the message that I am on the wrong path. And after an unsastisfactory duck go duck search i happened upon this on glp. Going to watch now. I have a feeling I owe you gratitude. I wish Harmony, Love, Truth and Justice for all my brothers and sisters. With the United forces of the silent vibrations of our thoughts, we are strong, healthy and happy thus making a link of universal fraternity.. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76626437 United States 11/09/2019 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Jewish people are to follow the 613 commandments. Gentiles are to follow the 7 Noahide laws. It's that simple. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77440428 Awww only seven laws of a SLAVE. Review those 7 'laws' and you will find they are not for become one of the chosen, they only make you a slave to the chosen and their own personal, profitable bitch for their pleasure. It is just another form of dhimmitude.. |
TheLordsServant
User ID: 70367103 United States 11/09/2019 09:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Old Testsment for the tribe Quoting: Theobromine The Deplorable New testament for those of Jesus Christ Christians cannot follow all of Levitical law and stay Christians. They would naturally become judeochristians. The old testament laws declare a state of war against anyone and everyone else. Christian means elect or annointed. A follower of Christ. It is not a religion. During Paul's time they called themselves the "way or path". Jesus said he is the way. The levitical laws cannot be followed without a priesthood even by Israel. The FACT, when you scrape all the bullshit propaganda off of it, is that Levitical law teaches and commands THEFT and ABUSE of gentiles. Lev 25. 44-46 is the proof of it, it is the focus of evil and malice to all others as a 'holy' directive. That is clearly a law that requires one to be evil and, coincidentally requires the dear ones to steal the very lives and liberty from all those around them, not like its not obvious in their day to day activities. It doesnt matter any of the more normal and high soundings laws, when the real basis of it is to steal and destroy the lives of others for their desert gods blood lust. A chain is as strong only as the weakest link and the above is the weakest link of all, ALL societies had slaves in those days. Not all gentiles are "heathens". Finally, the laws laid out specific treatment of slaves - and I would bet that the Hebrews treated them better than any other society. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
TheLordsServant
User ID: 70367103 United States 11/09/2019 09:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christians cannot follow all of Levitical law and stay Christians. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76626437 They would naturally become judeochristians. The old testament laws declare a state of war against anyone and everyone else. The Laws for the priests / rabbis never applied to "common / everyday" folks. Where does it say these rules are for priests/rabbis, BUT these laws are for the 'commoners'? All you gotta do is to look what they cover. [link to www.jewfaq.org] I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |