Does Jesus want me to follow the laws of the Old Testament? Yes or no?

Jesus: DO NOT FOLLOW THE PHARISEES !

There is only one Law fore everybody in the whole Bible.

What does my nationality have to do with anything?

I don't need to be American to be able to see the paul taught many things that contradict the words of God, jesus and the prophets.

Do you believe everyone who claims to have seen a vision of Jesus?

IS there somewhere in the Gospels something like Jesus saying:

"You are now reading the Gospel of Mark, you should also read John, Luke and Matthew ... but ditch the letters of Paul, they're BS ... read Enoch instead!"

Yeshua is our High Priest...

Heb 4:14
(14)  Therefore, since we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Yeshua the Son of Elohim, let us hold fast our confession.

The "Levitical laws" are the Torah and Yeshua is the walking, talking Torah as this verse "loop" proves.

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim, and the Word was Elohim. 

Joh 14:6
(6)  Yeshua said to him, “I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Psa 119:142
(142)  Your righteousness is righteousness forever, And Your Torah is truth.

Psa 119:160
(160)  The sum of Your word is truth, And all Your righteous right-rulings are forever.

We are instructed to follow Him. What does follow actually mean?

G190
ak-ol-oo-theh'-o
From G1 (as a particle of union) and; keleuthos (a road); properly to be in the same way with, that is, to accompany (specifically as a disciple): - follow, reach.

What's a disciple?

mathetes
math-ay-tes'
From G3129; a learner, that is, pupil: - disciple.

limmud    limmud
lim-mood', lim-mood'
From H3925; instructed: - accustomed, disciple, learned, taught, used.

Mat 10:24
(24)  “A taught one is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master.

Do you honestly believe that Yeshua lived and taught a perfect life; meaning following the Law completely, to do away with the Law completely?

Yeshua was accused by the High Priest as well as the rest of the Sanhedrin of trying to "change our Laws", Yeshua replied that He "has not come to change the Laws but fulfill them"!

THERE ARE NO LAWS IN HEAVEN

But

there are laws for imperfect men

Islam is based on exactly the same levitical laws.

You imagine its not, but it is.
You also know why people pretend that its not.

Thats funny, but not as funny as 'ask a priest' funny.

No. Jesus didn't talk about Paul because Paul wasn't around when Jesus walked on earth. Paul claimed to have seen Jesus in a vision. And people just take his word for it.

Really, so what made Satan to fall from them ??

Or better yet. God gave his son because we were not following God's law but now we do not have to follow God's law.

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And when you fulfill something, its over.

When you fulfill a debt, how much more do you have to pay?

Its word games.

To follow old testament law and example makes you a criminal by any definition.
TO follow that means leaving death and destruction in you wake by following the example repeated over and over without variation.

To follow new testament law the above is impossible to do.

One set of laws turns you into a covetous animal with blood on your hands.

The other does not.

YET most of you wont agree, for you want the same entitlement to judge others harshly as did the originals that killed Jesus because his law was not to judge and punish others since there can be no legitimate blameless judges among men, especially men who seek power over others.

The laws do not save us but if we love God we will want to obey his laws. Just the same just because they follow similiar laws does not mean anything. Allah does not have a son.

I do understand how the 'bible' came to be. My comment was aimed to those who believe 'the bible' was written by their god, and yet many 'books' were left out.

They don't question why they were 'left out', or more to the point, why.
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Stupid or naive people, you mean.

It was plainly demonstrated that the apostles who were with jesus still made mistakes in judgment and in faith.

Being an apostle is not a mark of perfection.

Whatever the apostles did on their own is not Christianity.

Whatever someone who was a hebrew advocate and persecuted christians as the enemy is hardly to be believed, especially when his opinions contradict what Jesus said and did.

My opinion is that Paul is the Lindsey Graham to Christianity and cannot be trusted.
Hes essentially a hustler showboating himself in a christianity he doesnt believe and is trying to put it back into an old testament box where is doesnt fit.

First off the Covenant is for anyone choosing to Covenant. Remember it was not only Israel coming out of Egypt. It was a mixed multitude.

Exo 19:5
(5)  ‘And now, if you diligently obey My voice, and shall guard My covenant, then you shall be My treasured possession above all the peoples – for all the earth is Mine –

Grace means favour.

cheen
khane
From H2603; graciousness, that is, subjectively (kindness, favor) or objectively (beauty): - favour, grace (-ious), pleasant, precious, [well-] favoured.

And to say grace is not found in the Tanach is disingenuous.

From TS2009 (my preference):
Gen 6:8
(8)  But Noah found favour in the eyes of YHWH.

From KJV:
Gen 6:8
(8)  But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

Please listen to the teaching.

Was there a time when "the son" didn't exist?

Just like mohammad claims to have seen his god in a vision.

No witnesses, no proof, its just arrogance and bullshit.
On the part of both.

The fact remains that only what Jesus said or did comprises Christianity, and not anyone elses interpretation or claims.

To the level you DONT understand that is to what level of old testament dhimmitude you are under the spell of.

It be extremely easy to prove Paul was a false apostle.

Thread: Paul presents himself as an apostle to Ephesus and is rejected. Ephesus is commended by Jesus for rejecting false apostles.


1. Paul writes to the church of Ephesus, in biblical Asia claiming to be an apostle of Jesus. See Ephesians 1:1.

2. Later Paul laments that he was abandoned by all of biblical Asia, Ephesus included. See 1Timothy 1:15.

3. In revelation, Jesus speaks to the 7 churches in Asia. And he does not rebuke them for rejecting the self proclaimed apostle, Paul.

4. He commends the church of Ephesus -- that Paul tried to witness to -- for testing and rejecting false prophets.

Can you please point to the Scripture where He does this?

He was continually challenging them regarding their Talmud.

Mat 15:2-3
(2)  “Why do Your taught ones transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”
(3)  But He answering, said to them, “Why do you also transgress the command of Elohim because of your tradition?

Sorry I dont believe in the old testament at all, nor do I believe in its message, examples or claims,.

To me its the devils book, masquerading as some poor imitation of godlyness

Does anyone remember a little incident in the bible on the road to Damascus where a guy named Saul of Tarsus was struck blind and them later converted? That guy became Paul. He started the Christian religion and he began to twist Christ's teachings.

Jesus never started a religion and never intended to. He was really only a messenger of the Kingdom of God's (within each) truth. This is one reason why he never left a single written word behind. An organised ritualised religion is exactly what he wanted to avoid but Paul had other ideas.

And to the one that called Urantia a hoax. Have you read it properly? If that is a hoax then it is by far the most reasonable, eloborate, imaginitive hoax ever conceived (especially for the time around 1935 when much about astronomy and cosmology written in it was unknown or in its infancy).

By its very nature and content it is clearly not because no man could come up with what is in that book in such detail. Not even the most imaginitive writers on Earth could conceive of the concepts in it and you know why? Because it contradicts and exposes absolutely everything religions have taught for thousands of years. It contradicts current science and accepted thinking in every way and brings mental and spiritual liberation. Everything the controllers don't want for you. It's not a controlling religious doctrine. It's a revelation. It's the story of everything. A story which the world controllers would not want humanity to know but they failed because it got published and the word got out.

If you read the Urantia book with a reasonable mind you'd see complete logical sense to it, not myths, legends, fairytales and interpretations. Nor visions or prophecies. Does that sound like another book you might know?

It isn't a children's book. Not the easiest to understand but once you get past the lifelong earth programming you'll begin to see. Creation is planned, ordered and managed and there is a definite plan for it and its inhabitants. God does have a plan and eternal leisure and bliss is not it.

God want us to become gods, co-creators with him, to become like him, and that is what the UB is about. The story of how low mortals (like us) can become gods and don't be afraid of the idea. If you live a moral, ethical, faithful, loving God-centered life and choose eternal life (yes, it is a choice you can make if you haven't already sometime in your existance) then all of Creation will work to make sure you become that.

In fact, a moral, ethical, faithful, loving, God-centered life is the only "laws" you really need. With that you can go far because those 5 points encompasses everything you could need to do. No rituals, no churches, just a personal relationship between you and God. That's the real church of God. You together with God's spirit (his actual personal spirit which the UB calls "The Thought Adjuster") within, is all you need because when all is said and done it is only you and God as One.

So, tell me again please how it is a hoax because I'm pretty sure none of your arguments will hold water. And , oh, don't trow the Bible at me on this, then I'll know you have no case and have not done your due reading.

PS. Sorry about the long posts but some things must be said.

Likewise Jesus has no need to be channeled by some nobody in a cave, especially one that goes on ad nauseum about things that Jesus clearly described as worldly and unimportant.

"Im hungry honey so I'm off to rape and pillage the neighbors for food.
Dont wait up."


"Ask a priest", LOL!

You do know that there are 12 tribes of Israel not just one, correct? We're just scattered all over the earth.

Plus, bloodline matters not one whit to Elohim.


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Maybe you should just ask a priest?

In gods universe you dont need insincere laws to make things fit, if you follow a Christian gods laws things fall into place.
If you follow the old testament gods laws, things go to hell.

Look around you.

What do you mean by worldly and unimportant?

In truth I dont give a GDF about their tribes or their wishes or their covenant with themselves.
The very fact that they are aggressively prosecuting an extermination agenda against all others is proof of their version of god. The difference between satan and their god, is only in name, and they mean to force you to obedience in his name.
ANYONE who needs to lie cheat and steal property and lives of others follows no god I want