Does Jesus want me to follow the laws of the Old Testament? Yes or no?

Follow the ten commandments.


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Don't be greedy.

Remember you can't take it with you anyway.


Just a suggestion.

Maybe you need to review the source material?
Its pointless to discuss concepts you are unfamiliar with.

You're being cryptic now.

Are you saying dietary laws are worldly and unimportant?

OK, WHERE in the old testament, did the tribe follow the 10 commandments?

Was it with pharoah
Was it with David?
Was it with Solomon?
was it with Ruth?
Was it with Joshua?
Was it with Moses?

The fact is that in the old testament the old testament was totally ignored by the invaders, usurpers and despoilers.
The old testament proves that the 10 simple commandments were ignored for the 603 LAWS which codified who could be attacked and looted and who could not.

The 10 commandments exists ONLY to condemn OTHERS, while excusing the dearest ones from any consequence themselves.

Its really for them just one commandment:
Heads we win, Tail, you all lose.

So many similarities, especially when you really look at them from a females perspective, as I do.

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Its a waste of time if you think revelation is about dietary laws.

Stick with your own religion is my recommendation. they'll tell you when its time for you to give them more money

The bottom line hasnt changed.
By their fruits you shall know them.

But they prefer you know them by the fake news the force upon us all.

He came to die for us according to His own Law. According to the Commands, a woman cannot re-marry her first husband if she was put-away or divorced.

Deu 24:4
(4)  then her former husband who sent her away is not allowed to take her back to be his wife after she has been defiled, for that would be an abomination before YHWH. And do not bring sin on the land which YHWH your Elohim is giving you as an inheritance.

Israel is His bride. He divorced us.

Jer 3:8
(8)  “And I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Yisrael had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Yehudah did not fear, but went and committed whoring too.

So in order to redeem the marriage, He needed to die according to His Law.


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If that's the case, then why does Yeshua, the disciples, and the letters quote from the OT extensively if it were the "devil's book"?

The whole point of Jesus' message is exactly the opposite of what you say. It's not about go-betweens like priests and institutions but a personal relationship between you and God within. That's all that matters. None can know you, understand you and guide you like the Spirit within. That's the most intimate relationship you can ever have and the only one that can stay with you forever. You and God and You. BFF.

So Im still hoping for a clarification, WHERE in the old testament did the 10 commandments STOP them from breaking all, or at least the majority?

And as for dealing with 'Baaaaaaad' people in other tribes, we only have one side of that story.

I was just being facetios for the Finntard,
I'm on your side, so try to keep up.

The ones you are referring to are today's Sadducees and Pharisees that Yeshua came up against. Corruption then, corruption now.

An even better question is, among those that self identify or self represent as true old testament believers, in what way are the 10 commandments preventing them from lying, cheating, stealing, killing, bearing false witness, etc etc IN REAL LIFE RIGHT F-ING NOW?

It SHOULD be plain that breaking every single one of their 10 moisaic commandments is HOW THEY INTEND TO PREVAIL OVER THE REST OF US.

FFS~!

Y'all should join us today at 1:15 for Shabbat service. It's truly a wonderful time.


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The point is I dont need nor want them forcing their theocracy on me, and you shouldnt either.
THEIR god is not the one Jesus speak of.
Theirs is samesame as allah, god of death, destruction and war.
You can call it Aunt Sue if you want, but it is what it does.
THE OLD TESTAMENT GOD IS THE SOLE CAUSE OF THE WORLDS WARS AT THIS MOMENT.
know it by its self evident fruits, not by what someones tells you it is.

Not a moments peace on this planet thanks to the LAWS of an old testament god.
Not a moments peace.
5000 years of slaughter for the blood thirsty god.

And yet you expect peace in its name right around the corner?

Your supposed to follow those laws and ideas which truly love God with all your being the best (which also means to love what's most appropriate and obey it the best) and loves creation as though it were you. Being practical of course about what bad parts of creation need to grow through their reap what they've sown lessons. The bible says in Jeremiah 8:8 that (if you look up vain in a lexicon it's false not vain) the scribes have made the law of God into falsehood. Isaiah in the 20's and 30's chapters if you piece key parts together said this was because people scorned the truth, and scorned repenting to it (changing their thoughts and deeds).

So what we must do is love with all our BRAINS and hearts and souls and strength, our intuition, our logic, our imaginings of what would be a better path, our reading to educate ourselves, in all ways we can to love the BEST way we can. So really you don't just read the bible, maybe you become an engineer and invent something to help stop starvation in Africa. Maybe you become a conspiracy theorist and tell the repent or die gospel of Jesus Christ in the comment boxes of the internet with the 10 commandments and conspiracy theory government document links and summaries.

But there are a lot of good ideas in the old testament, you must discern what makes you love the best. Including if your better off loving in or out of jail, because part of the OT laws WILL get you thrown in jail for life. Even if some of them are good ideas.

Now we must realize that things have changed, and to some degree that changes some but not all of what is now most appropriate to serve others in love. So maybe now we don't need to have 7 kids to keep up with the infant mortality rate, maybe now all kinds of things are different. We must discern wisely therefor what serves others the best.

Now with homosexuality, I've noticed that yes one thing was if 10% didn't have kids 200 -5000 years ago the population curve would have died out and we'd not be here, which is no longer an issue. However, male and female energies must be balanced or they will wreck things. Whether you do that by praying to God constantly, or by having a spouse of the other sex who knows what they're doing, they must be balanced energies. And sexuality amps up those energies, so two males only would be too if you will masculine. Now maybe one will try to be feminine in an attempt to not destroy the relationship, but their body doesn't have the hormones to do that correctly, so it is not serving others the best. Same with two women.

Now, is it possible to have say 2 guys and 2 gals in the same relationship? Well, that would be a much more intense relationship in all ways, and I question who all would be ready for such a thing. But the bible does say at some point we'll have a marriage supper of the lamb from what i gather or at least I've read in Revelation how the new Jerusalem comes out as a bride I think it says for Christ I forget, kind of like maybe all decent people will be in union with God and Jesus as Jesus said in the gospels He prayed we be in union as He and God were. So maybe one day that kind of thing will work.

But the key is to wisely discern what best loves God and God's Will and others, just as Jesus said that the whole law rests on the 1st and 2nd greatest commandments to do just that.

Nobody is forcing anything on me. I freely choose to Covenant with the One, True, Living Elohim.

Allah and YHWH are not the same. Those bowing to Allah are descendants of Ishmael and/or Esau; whereas, those bowing to YHWH are descendants of Isaac, who brought forth Jacob aka Israel.

Gen 21:12-13
(12)  But Elohim said to Abraham, “Let it not be evil in your eyes because of the boy and because of your female servant. Whatever Sarah has said to you, listen to her voice, for in Yitshaq your seed is called.

(13)  “And of the son of the female servant I also make a nation, because he is your seed.”

I believe that the bible has served its purpose, but when I return, I will abolish it and institute a new set of laws, not too different from the old ones, only better.

Well, firstly he doesnt, he makes references in a way to lead from the past beliefs to some potentially future beliefs.
On thing you notice that in these references they are used a as a common ground for transition to something more honest and universal and away from malignant tribalism which can only destroy.
He understood you cant clean up shit to make it pure but you can lead from shit to purity.

You so called messianics are funny in your pursuit of judeochristianity, you cannot let go of your birth entitlements, the implicit superiority is too ingrained to let it go, so you create a method by which you claim that its all for you, although you are willing to allow gentiles a piece of the franchise, as kind of a junior member.
Yet you dont disavow levitical laws, which are the source of the tribal poison, and you pretend they are holy, and, somewhere behind the curtain, to you they still are, and you, voluntarily are to be held to account for keeping them.

In now way did Jesus review and put his stamp of approval on the tribal laws, in no way does fulfill mean maintain.

The law of love others as you would love yourself ( love meaning fairness and honesty, not sexuality, btw) Cannot merge with levitical law which BY DESIGN intends to separate, judge AND PUNISH OTHERS.

Therefore judeochristianity was invented.

Judeochristianity is not the same as Christianity, and in preserving your prechristian identity you really havent gotten the full meaning of being born again, youre just laying claim to control those who made the jump from a criminally sadistic devilish desert god to a univeral god of respect and concern for all.

Now, you or someone like you will ban me, which is always the tribal answer to those who dare reveal undeniable truths to counter the fake news which finds so much favor among you.

But I have said all I needed to say, so the rest is up to you all.
Have a nice day, at least as you would do unto others.

He is about total freedom. He wants you to follow what The Holy Spirit compels you to do. No Holy Spirit-No Jesus for you yet. Love God, others above yourself, worship God, study and pray, and all will be revealed to you at the appropriate (to Him) time to you.

This is the only path to eternal life. You must be "deemed worthy" by Jesus. He is the gatekeeper.

NO ...Jesus said specifically that by following the one Law of the Universe (of universes) that by "doing unto others, as you would have them do unto you" your behavior would satisfy ALL LAWs - religious and secular.

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Read about the day of Pentecost and what was revealed to hundreds !!!!!

Did you miss the belief/attitude of 'female servant' thing is actually the same.

'Woman, submit to your husband'. And of course, he is 'the head of the house'.
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Shalom/Peace in Yeshua HaMashiyach; He is the Mashiyach of ALL PEOPLE!!!

Before you read on, I ask that you humbly put aside all that you have ever been taught, or think to be true!!! I am not asking you to leave your brain at the curb, just read with an open mind, and see if what I am saying is backed by Tanakh and Ketuvim Netzarim???

TaNaKh = Torah, Neviim, Ketuvim:

Torah (instruction in righteousness; the bulls eye, target, or mark; it is YHVH’s standard; by the way, WE HAVE ALL MISSED THE MARK!!! UNLESS YOU THINK THAT MAYBE YOU HAVE NEVER TRANSGRESSED ANY OF THE 613 MITZVAHS/COMMANDS THAT APPLY TO YOU!!!) I am by no means down playing the importance of becoming obedient and walking in TORAH of YHVH, this is how we show our love for Him and others!!!

Neviim (the Prophetical Books)

Ketuvim (All of the other Holy Writings)

Ketuvim Netzarim = The Writings of the Netzarim/Nazarene, those that actually knew and walked with Yeshua!!! The original talmidim/disciples were TORAH observant!!!

First and foremost, ALL Glory, Honor, Praise, and Thanks be unto YHVH (YeHoVaH) the Most High Elohim, the True and Living Elohim, the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel); in the Name of Mashiyach Yeshua by whose Blood and Body I have been redeemed with His once and for all Sacrifice!!!

Yeshua (Yah-Saves) HaMashiyach (the Messiah/Anointed One) and TORAH of YHVH (Yahweh) are INSEPERABLE!!!


Blessings to you in the Name of YHVH (YeHoVaH) and His Mashiyach, Yeshua (Yah Saves)!!!

Keeping it real and getting back to the Ancient Ways, walking like Yeshua did, in TORAH of YHVH!!!

Let’s get real people; Mashiyach Yeshua and TORAH of YHVH are inseparable, as we are about to read in Mattithyahu/Matthew:


Common Sense 101: How can one know what is wrong, unless one is told what is right!!! TORAH is the Standard, PERIOD!!! When you break His Mitzvahs/Commandments, you are violating His TORAH!!! I have good news and bad news. First the bad news, we have all screwed up and missed the mark or bulls eye, which is TORAH. Some of us are close to the center, and some of us have no idea were in the heck the arrow is at!!! J The Good News, YHVH already knew, and from the very beginning Genesis/Bereshith, HE was going to provide the Mashiyach, the Seed of the woman, Eve, which would eventually be the Seed of Abraham, which would eventually culminate in Yeshua HaMashiyach!!! We must repent/teshuva of our sin!!! Confess, turn from, admit to being guilty of violating His TORAH, and our need of His Mercy and Forgiveness!!! We should all strive to walk in Torah of YHVH, not for salvation, but out of obedience and love for Him who would eventually Pay the ultimate price for ALL mankind through the Blood and Body of Mashiyach Yeshua!!! Some more Good News, the New Covenant/Cutting, which is spoken of in Yirmeyahu/Jeremiah 31:31-34 was brought about by Mashiyach Yeshua.

(Jeremiah 31:31) Behold, the days come, says YHVH, that I will cut a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,

(Jeremiah 31:32) not according to the covenant that I cut with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt (which covenant of Mine they broke, although I was a husband to them, says YHVH).

(Jeremiah 31:33) But this shall be the Covenant that I will cut with the house of Israel: After those days, declares YHVH, I will put My TORAH in their inward parts, and I will write it on their hearts; and I will be their Elohim, and they shall be My people.

(Jeremiah 31:34) And they shall no longer each man teach his neighbor, and each man his brother, saying, Know YHVH. For they shall all know Me, from the least of them even to the greatest of them, declares YHVH. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sins no more.

I will be dealing with two primary words:

1. G3551

nomos

nom'-os

From a primary word nemō (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals); law (TORAH) (through the idea of prescriptive usage), generally (regulation), specifically (of Moses [including the volume]; also of the Gospel), or figuratively (a principle): - law (TORAH). Simply put TORAH, in the context of the following verses!!!

2. G458

anomia

an-om-ee'-ah

From G459; illegality, that is, violation of law (TORAH) or (generally) wickedness: - iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law (TORAH), unrighteousness. Simply put TORAH-lessness, in the context of the following verses!!! TORAH-lessness means to not walk in TORAH!!!

(Matt 5:17) Do not think that I have come to destroy TORAH or the Neviim/Prophets. I have not come to destroy but to fulfill.
(Matt 5:18) For truly I say to you, until the heaven and the earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any way pass from TORAH until all is fulfilled.
(Matt 5:19) Therefore whoever shall break/relax one of these commandments, the least, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of Heaven. But whoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of Heaven.

(Matt 7:22) Many will say to Me in that day, Adonai, Adonai, did we not prophesy in Your Name, and in Your Name cast out demons, and in Your name do many works of power?
(Matt 7:23) And then I will declare to them, I never knew you; "depart from Me, those working TORAH-lessness!"


(Matthew 13:41) The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His Kingdom all the offenses, and those who practice TORAH-lessness.

(Matthew 13:42) And they will throw them into the furnace of fire; there will be weeping and gnashing of the teeth.

(Matthew 13:43) Then the righteous will shine out like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. The one having ears to hear, let him hear.

(Matthew 22:33) And hearing, the crowds were astonished at His (Yeshua’s) doctrine/teaching.

(Matthew 22:34) But hearing that He had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees were gathered together.

(Matthew 22:35) And one of them, a lawyer/expert on Moses & Torah, questioned Him, testing Him, and saying,

(Matthew 22:36) Teacher, which is the great commandment in TORAH?

(Matthew 22:37) And Yeshua said to him, "You shall love the YHVH your Elohim with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind." (Notice that Yeshua is quoting TORAH, Deut. 6:5!!!)

(Matthew 22:38) This is the first and great commandment.

(Matthew 22:39) And the second is like it: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Once again Yeshua is quoting TORAH, Lev. 19:18!!!)

(Matthew 22:40) On these two commandments all the TORAH and the Neviim/Prophets hang.

(Matthew 22:41) But the Pharisees having been gathered, Yeshua questioned them,

(Matthew 22:42) saying, What do you think about the Mashiyach? Whose son is He? They say to Him, David's.

(Matthew 22:43) He said to them, Then how does David in Spirit call Him Adon, saying,

(Matthew 22:44) "YHVH said to my Adon, Sit off My right until I should put Your hostile ones as a footstool for Your feet?" (See Psalm/Tehillim 110!!! I have a rough teaching on Psalm 110 at this link: ~ [link to home.earthlink.net] .)

(Matthew 22:45) Then if David calls Him Adon, how is He his son?

(Matthew 22:46) And no one was able to answer Him a word, nor did anyone dare from that day to question Him any more.


(Matthew 23:27) Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitened graves which outwardly indeed appear beautiful, but within are full of bones of the dead, and of all uncleanness.
(Matt 23:28) So you also indeed outwardly appear righteous to men, but within are full of hypocrisy and TORAH-lessness.


I highly urge all of you to read Mattithyahu/Matthew Chapter 24; I am only going to focus on a small portion that contains the word TORAH-lessness!!!

(Matthew 24:1) And going out, Yeshua left the Temple. And His talmidim/disciples came to show Him the buildings of the Temple.

(Matthew 24:2) But Yeshua said to them, Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, There will not at all be left one stone on a stone which in no way will not be thrown down. (This prophecy of Yeshua came true in 70 C.E., with the destruction of the Temple by the Romans under Titus Vespasian!!! This is historically accurate, and foretold about 40 years before it even happened!!! Do a Google search on Titus Vespasian, here is a link: [link to www.roman-empire.net] .)

(Matthew 24:3) And as He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the talmidim/disciples came to Him privately, saying, Tell us, when will these things be? And, What is the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?

(Matthew 24:4) And answering, Yeshua said to them, See that not any leads you astray.

(Matthew 24:5) For many will come in My Name, saying, I am the Mashiyach. And they will cause many to be led astray.

(Matthew 24:6) But you are going to hear of wars and rumors of wars. See, do not be terrified. For all things must take place, but the end is not yet.

(Matthew 24:7) For nation will be raised against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there will be famines and plagues and earthquakes against many places.

(Matthew 24:8) But all these are a beginning of throes/sorrows.

(Matthew 24:9) Then they will deliver you up to affliction, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My Name.

(Matthew 24:10) And then many will be offended, and they will deliver up one another and will hate one another.

(Matthew 24:11) And many false prophets will be raised and will cause many to err.

(Matthew 24:12) And because TORAH-lessness shall have been multiplied, the love of the many will grow cold.

(Matthew 24:13) But the one who endures to the end, that one will be kept safe.

Yeshua walked in Torah of YHVH, and He taught Torah of YHVH; Yeshua and Torah of YHVH are inseparable!!! If any teaching or tradition goes against the Written Torah of YHVH; then we must reject it, and follow the Ancient Paths!!! YHVH does not change; He is the same yesterday as today, and forever!!!

In the following verses we see Yeshua commanding His talmidim/disciples to teach all nations to observe ALL things, whatever He commanded and taught them. Yeshua walked and taught Torah of YHVH, so the followers of Yeshua should be doing the same!!! You will notice that we are to teach and walk in Torah of YHVH, and Yeshua will be with us until the very end!!!

(Matthew 28:17) And seeing Him, they worshiped Him. But they doubted.

(Matthew 28:18) And coming up Yeshua talked with them, saying, All authority in Heaven and on earth was given to Me.

(Matthew 28:19) Then having gone, disciple all nations, baptizing them into the Name (singular, not plural) (HaShem) of the Abba/Father and of the Son and of the Ruach HaKodesh/Holy Spirit,

(Matthew 28:20) teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commanded you. And, behold, I am with you all the days until the completion of the age. Amen.


These verses are only the tip of the iceberg!!! The truth of Mashiyach Yeshua has been hid by the wicked in high places, poor translations, and too many hireling pastors that would rather walk in the traditions of men, and keep their tax exempt status!


Baruch Haba B’Shem YHVH!!! Blessed is He who comes in the Name of YeHoVaH!!!



Eliyah Ben Yisrael

So why did he instruct his followers to do everything the Pharisees tell them to?

“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach" (Matthew 23:2-3)