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The school Christmas party at the church was banned in Finland

 
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The school Christmas party at the church was banned in Finland
According to the Parliamentary Deputy Ombudsman, the school closing ceremony must not be held in the church.

The solution is in line with a statement by Parliamentary Deputy Ombudsman Pasi Pölönen on Tuesday that organizing a school Christmas party in the church violates students' religious freedom and equality.

The solution is based on a complaint previously made by the Unbelievers in Finland about the procedure of the City of Kouvola, where one of the city's schools organizes its Christmas party in the church.

In the decision, the Deputy Ombudsman also found problematic the practices of two other Kouvola schools about the religious opening of the morning broadcasted by the Central Radio and the traditional fast Thursday church visit.

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11/11/2019 10:18 AM
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Pagans should not be forbidden to celebrate their holidays IMO
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11/11/2019 10:22 AM
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Re: The school Christmas party at the church was banned in Finland
Nothing wrong with that.

School is not a place for religions.
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11/11/2019 10:24 AM
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Re: The school Christmas party at the church was banned in Finland
Nothing wrong with that.

School is not a place for religions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784


That's the biggest mistake you commies make:
Killing our Christmas.
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11/11/2019 10:27 AM
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Re: The school Christmas party at the church was banned in Finland
Nothing wrong with that.

School is not a place for religions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784


Unless your muslum. Then the limp wristed conquered look the other way.
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Re: The school Christmas party at the church was banned in Finland
Nothing wrong with that.

School is not a place for religions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784


That's the biggest mistake you commies make:
Killing our Christmas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68617699


LOL, that is funny because I am one of the biggest anti communists you can find.

Religious fanatics will be religious fanatics.
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11/11/2019 10:37 AM
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Re: The school Christmas party at the church was banned in Finland
Nothing wrong with that.

School is not a place for religions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784


That's the biggest mistake you commies make:
Killing our Christmas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68617699


LOL, that is funny because I am one of the biggest anti communists you can find.

Religious fanatics will be religious fanatics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784

Thank you for clearing that up,
and I agree totally!

However: Don't mess with Christmas!
It's part of a long lasting tradition in Western civilisation.
It's part of our CULTURE, and doesn' t harm anyone.
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11/11/2019 10:43 AM
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Re: The school Christmas party at the church was banned in Finland
Nothing wrong with that.

School is not a place for religions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784


That's the biggest mistake you commies make:
Killing our Christmas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68617699


LOL, that is funny because I am one of the biggest anti communists you can find.

Religious fanatics will be religious fanatics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784

Thank you for clearing that up,
and I agree totally!

However: Don't mess with Christmas!
It's part of a long lasting tradition in Western civilisation.
It's part of our CULTURE, and doesn' t harm anyone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68617699


Nothing wrong with that.

School is not a place for religions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784


That's the biggest mistake you commies make:
Killing our Christmas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68617699


LOL, that is funny because I am one of the biggest anti communists you can find.

Religious fanatics will be religious fanatics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784

Thank you for clearing that up,
and I agree totally!

However: Don't mess with Christmas!
It's part of a long lasting tradition in Western civilisation.
It's part of our CULTURE, and doesn' t harm anyone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68617699


Well, the lies harm very much. Give the winter solstice back to pagans. Christians should care about the real birthday of Christ.
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11/11/2019 10:48 AM
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Re: The school Christmas party at the church was banned in Finland
Nothing wrong with that.

School is not a place for religions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784


That's the biggest mistake you commies make:
Killing our Christmas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68617699


LOL, that is funny because I am one of the biggest anti communists you can find.

Religious fanatics will be religious fanatics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784

Thank you for clearing that up,
and I agree totally!

However: Don't mess with Christmas!
It's part of a long lasting tradition in Western civilisation.
It's part of our CULTURE, and doesn' t harm anyone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68617699


I never had any problems with Christmass, apart from the fact that the presents you would get were always spartan and could not compete with the new year presents.

My only point was that school and RELIGION (not just Christianity) should not mix.
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11/11/2019 10:49 AM
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Re: The school Christmas party at the church was banned in Finland
My only point was that school and RELIGION (not just Christianity) should not mix.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784


Why school should not be religious? If parents are religious and want a religious upbringing for their children, are you against it? There is always an ideology behind school, even it was nominally non-religious.
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11/11/2019 10:57 AM
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Re: The school Christmas party at the church was banned in Finland
Nothing wrong with that.

School is not a place for religions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784


Yup. Separation of church and state. No one should be made to go into anyone else’s place of worship for something secular.
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11/11/2019 10:58 AM
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Re: The school Christmas party at the church was banned in Finland
Nothing wrong with that.

School is not a place for religions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784


That's the biggest mistake you commies make:
Killing our Christmas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68617699


Christmas has pagan origins. Nothing Christian about it. Jesus wouldn’t have anything to do with it.
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11/11/2019 10:59 AM
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Religion absolutely has no place in school.
However, it's a tradition, only once a year, to rent a church for the event.

No need to suddenly bane it without hearing the parents.
It's PC Fascism at its finest.
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Re: The school Christmas party at the church was banned in Finland
My only point was that school and RELIGION (not just Christianity) should not mix.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784


Why school should not be religious? If parents are religious and want a religious upbringing for their children, are you against it? There is always an ideology behind school, even it was nominally non-religious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78154006


School SHOULD be about learning facts and using logic so that pupils can learn to think for themselves.

If you put religion or ideology behind it, you immediately cancel logic and you get a bunch of brats that know a whole lot of facts, but can't do anything with it excep parrot what they have been taugth. Exactly what we have today, when 12 year olds think they are smart enough to chart economic and social policies for the society to embrace.
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Re: The school Christmas party at the church was banned in Finland
Nothing wrong with that.

School is not a place for religions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784


That's the biggest mistake you commies make:
Killing our Christmas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68617699


LOL, that is funny because I am one of the biggest anti communists you can find.

Religious fanatics will be religious fanatics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784

Thank you for clearing that up,
and I agree totally!

However: Don't mess with Christmas!
It's part of a long lasting tradition in Western civilisation.
It's part of our CULTURE, and doesn' t harm anyone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68617699


People put Jesus in place of the pagan god Mithras. That is horrible.
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That's the biggest mistake you commies make:
Killing our Christmas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68617699


LOL, that is funny because I am one of the biggest anti communists you can find.

Religious fanatics will be religious fanatics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784

Thank you for clearing that up,
and I agree totally!

However: Don't mess with Christmas!
It's part of a long lasting tradition in Western civilisation.
It's part of our CULTURE, and doesn' t harm anyone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68617699


...


That's the biggest mistake you commies make:
Killing our Christmas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68617699


LOL, that is funny because I am one of the biggest anti communists you can find.

Religious fanatics will be religious fanatics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784

Thank you for clearing that up,
and I agree totally!

However: Don't mess with Christmas!
It's part of a long lasting tradition in Western civilisation.
It's part of our CULTURE, and doesn' t harm anyone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68617699


Well, the lies harm very much. Give the winter solstice back to pagans. Christians should care about the real birthday of Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76026796


Yes it is about lies. God hates lies. Israelites who thought they would dedicate a pagan golden calf to God after being delivered out of Egypt found out how God feels about that. Many lost their lives.
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11/11/2019 11:04 AM
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Re: The school Christmas party at the church was banned in Finland
My only point was that school and RELIGION (not just Christianity) should not mix.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784


Why school should not be religious? If parents are religious and want a religious upbringing for their children, are you against it? There is always an ideology behind school, even it was nominally non-religious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78154006


Homeschool or private school then. Spiritually educate your children on your own. Let school be secular. There are many Christian denominations that believe very differently. Keep it all separate.
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11/11/2019 11:05 AM
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Re: The school Christmas party at the church was banned in Finland
Religion absolutely has no place in school.
However, it's a tradition, only once a year, to rent a church for the event.

No need to suddenly bane it without hearing the parents.
It's PC Fascism at its finest.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68617699


Rent something neutral.
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11/11/2019 11:08 AM
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Re: The school Christmas party at the church was banned in Finland
My only point was that school and RELIGION (not just Christianity) should not mix.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784


Why school should not be religious? If parents are religious and want a religious upbringing for their children, are you against it? There is always an ideology behind school, even it was nominally non-religious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78154006


Homeschool or private school then. Spiritually educate your children on your own. Let school be secular. There are many Christian denominations that believe very differently. Keep it all separate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76984449


Even secular education contains ideologies. What makes religions more harmful than secular ideologies?
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11/11/2019 11:11 AM
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Re: The school Christmas party at the church was banned in Finland
My only point was that school and RELIGION (not just Christianity) should not mix.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78064784


Why school should not be religious? If parents are religious and want a religious upbringing for their children, are you against it? There is always an ideology behind school, even it was nominally non-religious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78154006


Homeschool or private school then. Spiritually educate your children on your own. Let school be secular. There are many Christian denominations that believe very differently. Keep it all separate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76984449


Even secular education contains ideologies. What makes religions more harmful than secular ideologies?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78154006


You are correct, it is the same thing.

But 2 wrongs don't make a right.





GLP