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Anonymous Coward User ID: 756220 United Kingdom 11/11/2019 04:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP Quoting: Just 1 I made your invention. It doesn't work. It looks shit. Now pay up 1 billion dollars in xrp by midnight Or I smash the shit out of your machine You probably did it wrong though. Using some cheap app to draw out the simple idea behind it [link to imgshare.io (secure)] You need to take into account, friction, inertia, and gaus. You will lose power through every step and it will be so week by the end wheel, that it won't be powerfull enough to spin the first wheel again. This is the age old question of powering a solar powered torch, to power another torch, to power the first one... Someone needs to pay in energy. Cool thread though bro He isn't looping the energy. Is is a chain reaction requiring an inertia drive at the beginning, or a power source to trip the first flip of a stator. Setting up a capture of the energy at each stator, or magnet, storing it in a capacitor or battery, then using a percentage of the stored power to flip the original magnet or stator... I know it won't work, but cannot pinpoint why..... . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78158115 United Kingdom 11/11/2019 04:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He isn't looping the energy. Is is a chain reaction requiring an inertia drive at the beginning, or a power source to trip the first flip of a stator. Quoting: WyatteSmith Setting up a capture of the energy at each stator, or magnet, storing it in a capacitor or battery, then using a percentage of the stored power to flip the original magnet or stator... I know it won't work, but cannot pinpoint why..... . Yes Please pinpoint or make an effort It wont work because the amount of energy created by the first stator cannot be be increased by other multiple stators around it. You can divide the power of the first stator by the amount of secondary ones for your output. Minus heat and friction. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76903646 United States 11/11/2019 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He isn't looping the energy. Is is a chain reaction requiring an inertia drive at the beginning, or a power source to trip the first flip of a stator. Quoting: WyatteSmith Setting up a capture of the energy at each stator, or magnet, storing it in a capacitor or battery, then using a percentage of the stored power to flip the original magnet or stator... I know it won't work, but cannot pinpoint why..... . Yes Please pinpoint or make an effort Why do you know for certain it wont work? In theory it does. Because off the top of my head, it cannot. You know, the whole Universal Rules of Energy. Nothing is free. Nothing produces more than is mathematically input. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.... Those are the rules telling me this cannot work. ..... . |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76903646 United States 11/11/2019 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just figured out why it won't work. Adhesive force. As the magnets are lined up, they will become increasingly more powerful. The first magnet will have to be stronger by power of 2 for each other magnet in the lineup. So, if you lined up 10 equal magnets each on it's own rotor, they would increase in strength requiring the first magnet to have 10x the strength to flip the first in the chain reaction. There you go, hope that makes sense. .0 |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77938892 Netherlands 11/11/2019 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He isn't looping the energy. Is is a chain reaction requiring an inertia drive at the beginning, or a power source to trip the first flip of a stator. Quoting: WyatteSmith Setting up a capture of the energy at each stator, or magnet, storing it in a capacitor or battery, then using a percentage of the stored power to flip the original magnet or stator... I know it won't work, but cannot pinpoint why..... . Yes Please pinpoint or make an effort Why do you know for certain it wont work? In theory it does. Because off the top of my head, it cannot. You know, the whole Universal Rules of Energy. Nothing is free. Nothing produces more than is mathematically input. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.... Those are the rules telling me this cannot work. ..... . The chain reaction that follows after the initial kick is still motion which you can store. If the kicker goes, and you have 80 wheels, almost all 80 wheels start rotating You only need one kicker, one rotor |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76903646 United States 11/11/2019 04:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just figured out why it won't work. Quoting: WyatteSmith Adhesive force. As the magnets are lined up, they will become increasingly more powerful. The first magnet will have to be stronger by power of 2 for each other magnet in the lineup. So, if you lined up 10 equal magnets each on it's own rotor, they would increase in strength requiring the first magnet to have 10x the strength to flip the first in the chain reaction. There you go, hope that makes sense. .0 :imright: |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77938892 Netherlands 11/11/2019 04:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just figured out why it won't work. Quoting: WyatteSmith Adhesive force. As the magnets are lined up, they will become increasingly more powerful. The first magnet will have to be stronger by power of 2 for each other magnet in the lineup. So, if you lined up 10 equal magnets each on it's own rotor, they would increase in strength requiring the first magnet to have 10x the strength to flip the first in the chain reaction. There you go, hope that makes sense. .0 I dont know if adhesive force comes into play here i dont actually think so |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77938892 Netherlands 11/11/2019 05:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just figured out why it won't work. Quoting: WyatteSmith Adhesive force. As the magnets are lined up, they will become increasingly more powerful. The first magnet will have to be stronger by power of 2 for each other magnet in the lineup. So, if you lined up 10 equal magnets each on it's own rotor, they would increase in strength requiring the first magnet to have 10x the strength to flip the first in the chain reaction. There you go, hope that makes sense. .0 I dont know if adhesive force comes into play here i dont actually think so No it wont because it falls into equilibrium |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77938892 Netherlands 11/11/2019 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So you're after zero point energy? Quoting: Just 1 Or perpetual motion ? Youre going to have some issue there.... No. I call it MCR, magnetic chain reaction So how do you overcome the friction in your little wheel chain? Are they frictionless? Friction doesnt apply because no wheel here is rotating indefinitely, it stops after x amount of time depending on size and dynamics The entire thing falls into equilibrium where it cools down |
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User ID: 76840347 Brazil 11/11/2019 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just figured out why it won't work. Quoting: WyatteSmith Adhesive force. As the magnets are lined up, they will become increasingly more powerful. The first magnet will have to be stronger by power of 2 for each other magnet in the lineup. So, if you lined up 10 equal magnets each on it's own rotor, they would increase in strength requiring the first magnet to have 10x the strength to flip the first in the chain reaction. There you go, hope that makes sense. .0 I dont know if adhesive force comes into play here i dont actually think so No it wont because it falls into equilibrium The simple fact that you dind't do ANY experiment or prototype and is firm on "it won't" or "it will", shows that you are just an armchair know-it-all. Remember, 1% inspiration and 99% transpiration. MaybeTrollingUAgain |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77938892 Netherlands 11/11/2019 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just figured out why it won't work. Quoting: WyatteSmith Adhesive force. As the magnets are lined up, they will become increasingly more powerful. The first magnet will have to be stronger by power of 2 for each other magnet in the lineup. So, if you lined up 10 equal magnets each on it's own rotor, they would increase in strength requiring the first magnet to have 10x the strength to flip the first in the chain reaction. There you go, hope that makes sense. .0 I dont know if adhesive force comes into play here i dont actually think so No it wont because it falls into equilibrium The simple fact that you dind't do ANY experiment or prototype and is firm on "it won't" or "it will", shows that you are just an armchair know-it-all. Remember, 1% inspiration and 99% transpiration. I dont why you're getting pissed off. Adhesive force has nothing to do here, just you misunderstanding adhesive force and how and when it applies.. |
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User ID: 76840347 Brazil 11/11/2019 05:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The simple fact that you dind't do ANY experiment or prototype and is firm on "it won't" or "it will", shows that you are just an armchair know-it-all. Remember, 1% inspiration and 99% transpiration. I dont why you're getting pissed off. Adhesive force has nothing to do here, just you misunderstanding adhesive force and how and when it applies.. I'm not pissed off. Just trying to bring reality to the table. Make a prototype, prove your point and then we can talk. MaybeTrollingUAgain |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77938892 Netherlands 11/11/2019 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The simple fact that you dind't do ANY experiment or prototype and is firm on "it won't" or "it will", shows that you are just an armchair know-it-all. Remember, 1% inspiration and 99% transpiration. I dont why you're getting pissed off. Adhesive force has nothing to do here, just you misunderstanding adhesive force and how and when it applies.. I'm not pissed off. Just trying to bring reality to the table. Make a prototype, prove your point and then we can talk. Alright i apologize. It was nice |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77938892 Netherlands 11/11/2019 05:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | U must mean this. Quoting: 8 EYES 75505354 I tried to build 12 years ago.. one with three four and five wheels Never worked No it's not mcr is nothing like what has been attempted in the past That and any attempts like that will never work because of friction Mcr uses equilibrium to its advantage. There is nothing attempted even coming close to it that im aware of Im not being a joker here alright. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76903646 United States 11/11/2019 07:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just figured out why it won't work. Quoting: WyatteSmith Adhesive force. As the magnets are lined up, they will become increasingly more powerful. The first magnet will have to be stronger by power of 2 for each other magnet in the lineup. So, if you lined up 10 equal magnets each on it's own rotor, they would increase in strength requiring the first magnet to have 10x the strength to flip the first in the chain reaction. There you go, hope that makes sense. .0 I dont know if adhesive force comes into play here i dont actually think so No it wont because it falls into equilibrium This is incorrect. I am 100% correct. / |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77938892 Netherlands 11/11/2019 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just figured out why it won't work. Quoting: WyatteSmith Adhesive force. As the magnets are lined up, they will become increasingly more powerful. The first magnet will have to be stronger by power of 2 for each other magnet in the lineup. So, if you lined up 10 equal magnets each on it's own rotor, they would increase in strength requiring the first magnet to have 10x the strength to flip the first in the chain reaction. There you go, hope that makes sense. .0 I dont know if adhesive force comes into play here i dont actually think so No it wont because it falls into equilibrium This is incorrect. I am 100% correct. / Only have magnets on the propellors/wheels enough so that they effect eachother in the chain and rotate eachother. There is no adhesive force here. You would be worlds first to experience adhesive force here. You have a different design in mind. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76903646 United States 11/11/2019 09:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: WyatteSmith Only have magnets on the propellors/wheels enough so that they effect eachother in the chain and rotate eachother. There is no adhesive force here. You would be worlds first to experience adhesive force here. You have a different design in mind. I fully understand what you are saying. The problem is the Adhesion factor becomes less the farther away from each other they. BUT, the power to turn the next magnet reduces at EXACTLY the same factor. Again, equal but opposite reaction. 1+1 always equals 2. Give up on this one, math will beat you every time. , |
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User ID: 73636052 United States 11/11/2019 09:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I call it a magnetic chain reactor. If one magnetic wheel is slightly rotated i.e. using a dc rotor it triggers all the other magnetic wheels: there's your power. Quoting: 589 It works in theory. haven't seen you're design.... Several different ways to do it tho. If it's free energy? You can't sell it. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77938892 Netherlands 11/11/2019 09:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Only have magnets on the propellors/wheels enough so that they effect eachother in the chain and rotate eachother. There is no adhesive force here. You would be worlds first to experience adhesive force here. You have a different design in mind. I fully understand what you are saying. The problem is the Adhesion factor becomes less the farther away from each other they. BUT, the power to turn the next magnet reduces at EXACTLY the same factor. Again, equal but opposite reaction. 1+1 always equals 2. Give up on this one, math will beat you every time. , Yes there is reduction of force here and there depending on the dynamics. But it doesnt matter if some wheels dont rotate or when some are less. Because the chain consits of multiple wheels the magnetic friction will have abnormal, unpredictive behavior each time it will never be the same, but it's still motion. The second wheels might rotate once or twice while for example the eight wheel rotates for a minute. The behavior of the wheels change at every restart. That's how that force works here |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76903646 United States 11/11/2019 09:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Only have magnets on the propellors/wheels enough so that they effect eachother in the chain and rotate eachother. There is no adhesive force here. You would be worlds first to experience adhesive force here. You have a different design in mind. I fully understand what you are saying. The problem is the Adhesion factor becomes less the farther away from each other they. BUT, the power to turn the next magnet reduces at EXACTLY the same factor. Again, equal but opposite reaction. 1+1 always equals 2. Give up on this one, math will beat you every time. , Yes there is reduction of force here and there depending on the dynamics. But it doesnt matter if some wheels dont rotate or when some are less. Because the chain consits of multiple wheels the magnetic friction will have abnormal, unpredictive behavior each time it will never be the same, but it's still motion. The second wheels might rotate once or twice while for example the eight wheel rotates for a minute. That's how that force works here You are incorrect. I worked way too hard today and I am too tired to talk physics tonight, but you are searching fools gold. As the magnets move apart, the Adhesion Factor will be reduced; AT EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT THE OUTPUT IS REDUCED. That is all, I am out. Good luck! . |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77938892 Netherlands 11/11/2019 09:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: 589 Only have magnets on the propellors/wheels enough so that they effect eachother in the chain and rotate eachother. There is no adhesive force here. You would be worlds first to experience adhesive force here. You have a different design in mind. I fully understand what you are saying. The problem is the Adhesion factor becomes less the farther away from each other they. BUT, the power to turn the next magnet reduces at EXACTLY the same factor. Again, equal but opposite reaction. 1+1 always equals 2. Give up on this one, math will beat you every time. , Yes there is reduction of force here and there depending on the dynamics. But it doesnt matter if some wheels dont rotate or when some are less. Because the chain consits of multiple wheels the magnetic friction will have abnormal, unpredictive behavior each time it will never be the same, but it's still motion. The second wheels might rotate once or twice while for example the eight wheel rotates for a minute. That's how that force works here You are incorrect. I worked way too hard today and I am too tired to talk physics tonight, but you are searching fools gold. As the magnets move apart, the Adhesion Factor will be reduced; AT EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT THE OUTPUT IS REDUCED. That is all, I am out. Good luck! . We dont have to discuss it now you should do something entertaining after a work day and not frustrate yourself. The adhesion factor would possibly work as you say with two or three wheels. The behavior changes however when you have 8 to 16+ wheels. This creates a magnetic chain of abnormalities all reacting different to eachother each time in an unique way. It will never show the same behavior. It will have Hot spots, wheels that are more effective depending on the dynamics(the magnetic field that is created) Mathematically each run will have an entire different equation With wheels i do mean propellor like since it is more effective but we are using simplicity here |