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The ancient history of Australia is a black hole of understanding. You look around at every other landmass/continent and there are stories, clues, ruins, a rich history of what once was. Except Australia. We believe that Australia just has no significant history, that it has just been a bare, barren wasteland for all time. I believe this to be due to a number of reasons.

1) First and foremost was the severity of Australian colonisation. Research into the early years of British colonialism of Australia reveals that many native tribes were completely obliterated within a relatively short time of the British arriving. This meant that what little would have been able to be gleaned about their history was lost to bloodshed and slaughter. Furthermore, this has cultivated a deep mistrust of Europeans that persists to this day with many of the few remaining Aboriginal medicine men quite reluctant to share even the basic knowledge of their beliefs and histories with the whites. And fair enough. I have studied all the esoteric literature related to Aboriginals that I can and while the core of their practices are quite similar to that of other indigenous peoples such as those from the Artic circle, North America, and Polynesia, they are still quite vague and obviously protective about the knowledge of their ancestors.

2) Environmental attributes of Australia give an indication that large scale cataclysmic forces, likely from the most recent cataclysm, had a devastating impact on the Australian continent. All you really have to do is look at a topographical map of Australia and you can clearly see that likely a wall of water hit the country from the Western coast, scoured the land up until the small range on the Eastern coast, where the water was redirected south to drain into the GREAT Australian Bite. Underwater formations such as enormous run-off channels and sediment deposits of the continental shelf lend credence to this notion. Additionally the land of Australia contains comparatively low amounts of topsoil compared to other landmasses which would be indicative of large volumes of water essentially scouring the landmass of its topsoil. This would have of course washed away any prior evidence of civilisation and had the consequence of making a large part of the landmass functionally uninhabitable.

So to recap, in Australia you have a continent devastated by cataclysm, which would have caused the small amount of survivors to either adopt or continue a basic lifestyle of living in Nature. The relatively small amount of the country that was comfortably inhabitable would have been utilised in a simple way by a diminished people relying on timeless, natural lifestyles of living in harmony with Nature. You then have a technologically advanced invading force which within a generation killed the majority of peoples it came into contact with, and either cheated, subjugated, or enslaved the rest. It is no surprise that the information held by Aboriginals which was almost exclusively orally transmitted would have been either lost to slaughter, or deliberately hidden from the invaders.

This brings me to the point of this thread. I am Australian, and it seems nonsensical that such an enormous landmass, on a planet that has had previous civilisations capable of technological feats we still don't properly understand, with a history that it is becoming clearer every year extends into the hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of years, would have just been ignored by mankind. I do not believe that could be the case. More likely, Australia has a rich history that up until this point has been either hidden from and/or forgotten by modern man. There is definitely anomalies in Australia such as the Gosford glyphs and the standing stones at Glen Innes. So it seems that there is something here, it is just yet to be uncovered.

I would like to invite anyone who is interested to contribute to discussion on the topic. I plan to over the next few years explore Australia, particularly cave systems as I believe that clues to the past could still be found there, as well as physical evidence of man and beast from before the last cataclysm. I also plan to build gradual rapport with indigenous peoples to see if they have stories and legends of their past that would give clues as to what was in Australia previously. I am frequently coming across stories that Native Americans have of their histories and land and feel that similar knowledge must exist in Australia, it would just be due to the scarcity of those who still possess that knowledge, and reluctance to convey it to a people that has caused them nothing but misery since first contact.
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I learned all about Australian history from watching The Nightingale.
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Lol, the Glen Innes standing stones were built in 1991, to celebrate their celtic connections. Its supposed to represent Stonehenge in the UK.

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However, I have heard a reference to an ancient city in South Australia, which British soldiers drove into after detonating the nukes at Maralinga. I've looked on google earth, but haven't been able to see them.

On the other hand, there is a story that they are digging up some giant skeletons south of Uluru at the moment. Maybe they are exploring that city.
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Did you know that some of the Egyptian Gold has an Australian signature ( I forget exactly where possibly Bendigo).
Also there is a pyramid in gimpy.
There is a Viking port up nort QLD somewhere.
There are som aboriginal painting depicting Chinese ships.
Just off the top of my head.
Oh and also there are some lines on the ground in the red centre that go for kms.)
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shaddup you cunt.
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A tall skinny race of people lived here some time in the past
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Won’t it be fun to find the ancient cities?
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You might like this book [link to www.allenandunwin.com (secure)]

The Biggest Estate on Earth
How Aborigines made Australia

Bill Gammage

Explodes the myth that pre-settlement Australia was an untamed wilderness revealing the complex, country-wide systems of land management used by Aboriginal people.

Across Australia, early Europeans commented again and again that the land looked like a park. With extensive grassy patches and pathways, open woodlands and abundant wildlife, it evoked a country estate in England. Bill Gammage has discovered this was because Aboriginal people managed the land in a far more systematic and scientific fashion than we have ever realised.

For over a decade, Gammage has examined written and visual records of the Australian landscape. He has uncovered an extraordinarily complex system of land management using fire and the life cycles of native plants to ensure plentiful wildlife and plant foods throughout the year. We know Aboriginal people spent far less time and effort than Europeans in securing food and shelter, and now we know how they did it.
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You start from a fairly ill-informed depiction of early European settlement.

There was no indiscriminate or intentional 'slaughter' as you put it by all accounts, but rather, an intention of co-existence. Problems arose at some settlements because the original peoples had no concept at all of ownership. So, what happened, was where Europeans farmed and produced, somE could not conceive the animals and produce were not there for the taking, so they would regularly just take the domesticated farm animals (bare in mind they were considered crucial by the settlers for their survival and prosperity) and so settlers were forced to defend or shoot to save their own skins.

This is more or less how any deaths came. The growing distrust and actions did not help, but it was not a case that there was indiscriminate or random slaughter.
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The abo's hadn't even invented the wheel. They were destroyed because they didnt advance, evolutionary trash dumped into the dustbin of history.
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Australia is the underworld of ancient Egypt.. The pyramids mummies ancient spirits and all connected..
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You start from a fairly ill-informed depiction of early European settlement.

There was no indiscriminate or intentional 'slaughter' as you put it by all accounts, but rather, an intention of co-existence. Problems arose at some settlements because the original peoples had no concept at all of ownership. So, what happened, was where Europeans farmed and produced, somE could not conceive the animals and produce were not there for the taking, so they would regularly just take the domesticated farm animals (bare in mind they were considered crucial by the settlers for their survival and prosperity) and so settlers were forced to defend or shoot to save their own skins.

This is more or less how any deaths came. The growing distrust and actions did not help, but it was not a case that there was indiscriminate or random slaughter.
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and in fact South Australian settlers went to great lengths to co-exist. As free settlers and the last of the colonies they tried to learn from the others in how to work with the Aborigines.

The reinvention of history is just mind boggling.
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good thread OP.
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Rex Gilroy has some interesting ideas in his books on OZ. You read any of them OP?

Also, there was an article in Nexus mag about a cave with Egyptian hieroglyphs on the walls, took me a few years to eventually find it with some mates after quizzing locals. It's 100% a fake, but a really good fake.
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I'm on the great flood theory.as an American outsider,almost all pics I've seen look as a landscape scraped of topsoil like a massive tsunami hit it and the random gold bits laying around adds to this theory.
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You start from a fairly ill-informed depiction of early European settlement.

There was no indiscriminate or intentional 'slaughter' as you put it by all accounts, but rather, an intention of co-existence. Problems arose at some settlements because the original peoples had no concept at all of ownership. So, what happened, was where Europeans farmed and produced, somE could not conceive the animals and produce were not there for the taking, so they would regularly just take the domesticated farm animals (bare in mind they were considered crucial by the settlers for their survival and prosperity) and so settlers were forced to defend or shoot to save their own skins.

This is more or less how any deaths came. The growing distrust and actions did not help, but it was not a case that there was indiscriminate or random slaughter.
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and in fact South Australian settlers went to great lengths to co-exist. As free settlers and the last of the colonies they tried to learn from the others in how to work with the Aborigines.

The reinvention of history is just mind boggling.
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Indeed.

I keep hearing a narrative that Europeans came and subjugated native Canadians. The truth is that they came to establish trading networks. The French and Scots traded axes, knives, tools, and firearms for fur pelts. What kind of conqueror sells weapons to their victims?

The French and British formed military alliances with the natives.
Massive deaths through small pox and the simple flu was a catastrophic unforeseen consequence of this friendly relationship. Later, the native culture became overwhelmed by immigration, technology, and the do-gooder nanny state maternalism of the pedo-raping elites.
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A bit of history as to why it's such a desert here:



Humans, not climate change, wiped out Australian megafauna


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I'm still looking for the article/video I saw years ago about stone carvings near Sydney somewhere.

In the mean time there is this:

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Ok, I think this one is the one I was looking for:



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You might like this book [link to www.allenandunwin.com (secure)]

The Biggest Estate on Earth
How Aborigines made Australia

Bill Gammage

Explodes the myth that pre-settlement Australia was an untamed wilderness revealing the complex, country-wide systems of land management used by Aboriginal people.

Across Australia, early Europeans commented again and again that the land looked like a park. With extensive grassy patches and pathways, open woodlands and abundant wildlife, it evoked a country estate in England. Bill Gammage has discovered this was because Aboriginal people managed the land in a far more systematic and scientific fashion than we have ever realised.

For over a decade, Gammage has examined written and visual records of the Australian landscape. He has uncovered an extraordinarily complex system of land management using fire and the life cycles of native plants to ensure plentiful wildlife and plant foods throughout the year. We know Aboriginal people spent far less time and effort than Europeans in securing food and shelter, and now we know how they did it.
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That looks real interesting, I've heard a few things about how they gardened the entire place. Will defs give that a read. I'm fascinated to find out what I can about this continent.
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You start from a fairly ill-informed depiction of early European settlement.

There was no indiscriminate or intentional 'slaughter' as you put it by all accounts, but rather, an intention of co-existence. Problems arose at some settlements because the original peoples had no concept at all of ownership. So, what happened, was where Europeans farmed and produced, somE could not conceive the animals and produce were not there for the taking, so they would regularly just take the domesticated farm animals (bare in mind they were considered crucial by the settlers for their survival and prosperity) and so settlers were forced to defend or shoot to save their own skins.

This is more or less how any deaths came. The growing distrust and actions did not help, but it was not a case that there was indiscriminate or random slaughter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78059990


and in fact South Australian settlers went to great lengths to co-exist. As free settlers and the last of the colonies they tried to learn from the others in how to work with the Aborigines.

The reinvention of history is just mind boggling.
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Indeed.

I keep hearing a narrative that Europeans came and subjugated native Canadians. The truth is that they came to establish trading networks. The French and Scots traded axes, knives, tools, and firearms for fur pelts. What kind of conqueror sells weapons to their victims?

The French and British formed military alliances with the natives.
Massive deaths through small pox and the simple flu was a catastrophic unforeseen consequence of this friendly relationship. Later, the native culture became overwhelmed by immigration, technology, and the do-gooder nanny state maternalism of the pedo-raping elites.
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May I ask where you both got that viewpoint? Because a fair amount of credible sources paint a pretty grim picture of the early years of colonisation. Blood on the Wattle is a pretty intense read, and Secret Country by John Pilger, are both books by respected researchers on the topic and they don't mention a whole bunch of co-operation.
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You start from a fairly ill-informed depiction of early European settlement.

There was no indiscriminate or intentional 'slaughter' as you put it by all accounts, but rather, an intention of co-existence. Problems arose at some settlements because the original peoples had no concept at all of ownership. So, what happened, was where Europeans farmed and produced, somE could not conceive the animals and produce were not there for the taking, so they would regularly just take the domesticated farm animals (bare in mind they were considered crucial by the settlers for their survival and prosperity) and so settlers were forced to defend or shoot to save their own skins.

This is more or less how any deaths came. The growing distrust and actions did not help, but it was not a case that there was indiscriminate or random slaughter.
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That's right, and there were plenty of whites killed for no reason, some white women were raped.

People also need to know there were hundreds of different 'tribes', many hated each other, and killed each other.

Another fact, little known, there are cannibalistic aboriginals up the top of Qld, to this very day. Whiteys don't go there, unless under guard, you are called 'white flesh'.

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Rex Gilroy has some interesting ideas in his books on OZ. You read any of them OP?

Also, there was an article in Nexus mag about a cave with Egyptian hieroglyphs on the walls, took me a few years to eventually find it with some mates after quizzing locals. It's 100% a fake, but a really good fake.
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Nah but they are on my reading list. Those glyphs could be faked, however I recall a story about how when Dutch sailors encountered aboriginals they found they could communicate using Mason hand-signals. Now everything the Masons know they got from Egypt, so it wouldn't be out of the question that prior contact between Australian aboriginals and Egyptian people took place. Even seem more likely the more evidence we compile that points to a previous global civilisation before the last cataclysm.
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Good rabbit hole to explore.
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Steve Strong has written the most about the Glyphs at Kariong, near Gosford. I've been there twice. He says they have been confirmed as legit by Egyptologists. In fact, a point they used to discredit them, that some were not right, turned out to be a very early form of hieroglyphs that predate most of the obvious ones in Egypt.

They are easy to get to, but the land is to be developed soon, so they might be closed off.

He has also written about evidence of ancient cities, some discovered by himself and others shown to him by people who stumbled upon them, and some by our indigenous people.

The gold in the tomb in Egypt came from Ballarat.

The Gympie pyramid wasn't a traditional one, but a psychic from NZ claims there was some small ones on the coast near the sunshine coast, which were bulldozed, but a big one in a lake near there, covered with water.

Rex Gilroy's website really is worth reading if you are serious, he has found evidence of Phoenicians here.

There are fossils embedded in a cliff in Victoria I think. They must have been slammed into it during a tsunami, in my opinion.
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Here's a place to start. Go digging around the base of this:

Is this proof an Egyptian pyramid is hidden in AUSTRALIA? Amateur archaeologists claim a man-made structure was built under a mountain in Queensland some 5,000 years ago

Amateur archaeologists believe Egyptians may have built pyramids in Australia
It's claimed a group of Egyptians, including royals, visited some 5,000 years ago
Hieroglyphics reportedly indicate number of pyramids were built in Queensland
A pyramid at Gympie was demolished into the sea with other location unknown
Group of Egyptologists claim pyramid may be hidden under mountain in Cairns

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Were these the standing stones you meant, what they have termed Australia's stonehenge? Again, it was Steve Strong and his son who have already researched and documented them.

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A tall skinny race of people lived here some time in the past
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I heard some Elders talking about the 'tall whites' being here long ago, was many years ago now. All the old Elders are gone now, and the younger ones won't talk about that now,it's not 'politically correct'.

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Photos of the glyphs, and which has links to pages about them.

The carving of the sphinx is not at Kariong, but in a National Park in Sydney, carved by a soldier who had been in Egypt.

Also interesting are the aboriginal stories from around that region. One mountain has a big caving of a space diety on it, and another is where he was said to have landed. I'll get a link to an episode of ancient aliens about it for you.

You haven't done much research yet ... lol

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Can't find the whole episode. Ep 7 you need, season 11. Here is the segment about the Aussie Stonehenge. They go to the glphs in that episode as well.

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Were these the standing stones you meant, what they have termed Australia's stonehenge? Again, it was Steve Strong and his son who have already researched and documented them.

[link to www.ancient-origins.net (secure)]
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Yeah that's the one, I should go out and have a look at the place. I've seen a couple of Steve Strong videos and I really should look more into his stuff.

Here's a place to start. Go digging around the base of this:

Is this proof an Egyptian pyramid is hidden in AUSTRALIA? Amateur archaeologists claim a man-made structure was built under a mountain in Queensland some 5,000 years ago

Amateur archaeologists believe Egyptians may have built pyramids in Australia
It's claimed a group of Egyptians, including royals, visited some 5,000 years ago
Hieroglyphics reportedly indicate number of pyramids were built in Queensland
A pyramid at Gympie was demolished into the sea with other location unknown
Group of Egyptologists claim pyramid may be hidden under mountain in Cairns

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Legit on the Sunshine coast in QLD and just a bit inland are more than one mountain that from a distance look like pyramids. They seem to massive to be ones covered by earth but some of them are definitely worth poking around. There is one that if you are on the beach at Maroochydore it looks like a perfect pyramid just off the coast.

I've heard of a mountain near Cooktown called Black Mountain which apparently has a bunch of strange shit to it. Would also be worth a look but apparently the aboriginals won't go near it and a bunch of people have disappeared near it. That one will need a drone flyover first.
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