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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17751176  New Zealand11/12/2019 02:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| ~Newton's Own~
User ID: 77801149 United States11/12/2019 03:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | His ministry undergoes audits every year and are under constant scrutiny. They're squeaky clean. Wealth accomplishes a lot in the right hands. I'm glad he makes no excuses. Quoting: SoulWinner Uhhh... He has FOUR jets, IIRC. Last Edited by ~Newton's Own~ on 11/12/2019 03:02 PM A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once. Fear cuts deeper than swords. #Notmypresident. |
Trained Noticer
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| BRIEF
User ID: 39607259 United States11/12/2019 03:10 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | His Jesus business gave 25 Million, that's $25,000,000.00 to the poor...how many of you can say that? Quoting: BRIEF Can you prove that he gave 25 Million? Research that and get back to me. I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked.  |
| BRIEF
User ID: 39607259 United States11/12/2019 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I never made excuses or apologies for even a penny of my money, but then I worked for a living... Quoting: BRIEF Knew you'd be in here to talk about "Your money" you narcissistic old fuck. What does Kenneth Copeland have to do with you? NOTHING! Who cares what you have to say? Nobody! So just fuck off already. He has given to charity, and I have given to charity...what have you done? I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
| ~Newton's Own~
User ID: 77801149 United States11/12/2019 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | His Jesus business gave 25 Million, that's $25,000,000.00 to the poor...how many of you can say that? Quoting: BRIEF Can you prove that he gave 25 Million? Research that and get back to me. You justifying this bullshit is almost worse than the story itself. Smh. A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once. Fear cuts deeper than swords. #Notmypresident. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78159743 United States11/12/2019 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | MATTHEW 7 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done MANY WONDERFUL WORKS? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. When I look into that guy's eyes, I see a DEMON staring back at me. If you don't see that, I seriously doubt the Holy Spirit abides in you. You notice Jesus isn't talking to atheists, or muslims, or satanists here. He's talking to people who PROFESS to be "christians". What a SAD TERRIBLE DAY that is going to be for these people. We should ALL examine ourselves to make absolutely sure we are not among them. |
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| BRIEF
User ID: 39607259 United States11/12/2019 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you are doing HIS Will, you don't need to work hard! Remember? Didn't it say since you strayed you will work till the sweat of your brow? Those who do HIS WILL have no need as Manna is provided for them. Try it....it works! He has rewarded me abundantly... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
| ~Newton's Own~
User ID: 77801149 United States11/12/2019 03:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you are doing HIS Will, you don't need to work hard! Remember? Didn't it say since you strayed you will work till the sweat of your brow? Those who do HIS WILL have no need as Manna is provided for them. Try it....it works! He has rewarded me abundantly... Don't make you right. Kenneth Copeland is a grandiose scumbag. A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once. Fear cuts deeper than swords. #Notmypresident. |
| BRIEF
User ID: 39607259 United States11/12/2019 03:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He makes a valid point, and I've said it for years myself, that poor people can't give to the poor...it takes wealth to be able to continually give to the needy... Quoting: BRIEF This is true. I dont know a lot about this particular preacher, but the whole “religious and happily poor” b.s. seems to me something that was invented by rich people to keep poor people down. Why not have a nice suit, and drive a nice car, and serve God? I dont believe the infinite divine being is really hoping we have to struggle here, i dont. This guy is able to say, “i would like to fly to Cameroon next week and speak my message to the people there” and do it. How is that bad? Personally I would not go to listen to the used car salesman speak, but if people are giving, he's doing something for them... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
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| BRIEF
User ID: 39607259 United States11/12/2019 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If he were truly a man of God, he would repent, sell off his assets and give it all to charity. He should then spend the rest of his days wandering the middle East bringing Christianity to the muslims. Though I don't think he would last long. Quoting: D-Cell-Battery Well that's about the dumbest thing I've heard...why don't you do that? I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2712120 United States11/12/2019 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He makes a valid point, and I've said it for years myself, that poor people can't give to the poor...it takes wealth to be able to continually give to the needy... Quoting: BRIEF This is true. I dont know a lot about this particular preacher, but the whole “religious and happily poor” b.s. seems to me something that was invented by rich people to keep poor people down. Why not have a nice suit, and drive a nice car, and serve God? I dont believe the infinite divine being is really hoping we have to struggle here, i dont. This guy is able to say, “i would like to fly to Cameroon next week and speak my message to the people there” and do it. How is that bad? Personally I would not go to listen to the used car salesman speak, but if people are giving, he's doing something for them... I'll tell you what he's "giving" them.....FALSE HOPE. "Give MORE, and God will BLESS you more." It's a crock, and it's right out of the pit of hell. |
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| BRIEF
User ID: 39607259 United States11/12/2019 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | His Jesus business gave 25 Million, that's $25,000,000.00 to the poor...how many of you can say that? Quoting: BRIEF jesus can't, jesus didn't give anyone a single dime. i guess if we could just make bread and fish magically appear all our problems would be solved maybe i can make a house appear, if i wish really really hard the bible says if I wish for it, God will give it to me. how sad is that? I'm not magic either, that's why I worked hard and saved money... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78151292 United States11/12/2019 03:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | His Jesus business gave 25 Million, that's $25,000,000.00 to the poor...how many of you can say that? Quoting: BRIEF So because he GAVE $25 mill, he NEEDS 25 million dollar JETS?????? how much money did Jesus ever give to anyone? zero Jesus could have just gave all his followers 10 gold bricks each, they could have just bought everything and given them awesome lives. why do they gotta wait for heaven? c'mon, wake the fuck up. nobody tells you to give your money away to strangers, you will sure as fuck die and they wouldn't give it back to you if you were dying |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2712120 United States11/12/2019 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you are doing HIS Will, you don't need to work hard! Remember? Didn't it say since you strayed you will work till the sweat of your brow? Those who do HIS WILL have no need as Manna is provided for them. Try it....it works! He has rewarded me abundantly... So you saying YOU HAVE: "1) Four private LearJets 2) A Jay Leno-sized stable of ultra-expensive automobiles, and ... 3) a "Heavenly Bank Account!"" Cause I bet you DON'T! There's those who God "Blesses," and there's those who SAY God blessed them and gave them all those things. Personally, *I* say he's justifying what he has kept (from what was given) and God would still bless him and be just as happy if he was just "rich," and not necessarily UBER-RICH. |
| BRIEF
User ID: 39607259 United States11/12/2019 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | His Jesus business gave 25 Million, that's $25,000,000.00 to the poor...how many of you can say that? Quoting: BRIEF Can you prove that he gave 25 Million? Research that and get back to me. You justifying this bullshit is almost worse than the story itself. Smh. Find something people want and sell it to them...it's not wrong or evil...did he tell lies? I don't... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2712120 United States11/12/2019 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | His Jesus business gave 25 Million, that's $25,000,000.00 to the poor...how many of you can say that? Quoting: BRIEF So because he GAVE $25 mill, he NEEDS 25 million dollar JETS?????? how much money did Jesus ever give to anyone? zero Jesus could have just gave all his followers 10 gold bricks each, they could have just bought everything and given them awesome lives. why do they gotta wait for heaven? c'mon, wake the fuck up. nobody tells you to give your money away to strangers, you will sure as fuck die and they wouldn't give it back to you if you were dying Jesus didn't give money to anyone because it's not about the money! It's about the kingdom of Heaven. If Kenneth Copeland preaches a "prosperity gospel," then he's waaaay off base. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78151292 United States11/12/2019 03:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | His Jesus business gave 25 Million, that's $25,000,000.00 to the poor...how many of you can say that? Quoting: BRIEF jesus can't, jesus didn't give anyone a single dime. i guess if we could just make bread and fish magically appear all our problems would be solved maybe i can make a house appear, if i wish really really hard the bible says if I wish for it, God will give it to me. how sad is that? I'm not magic either, that's why I worked hard and saved money... well all our money is created by magic, from nothing, why don't christian preachers ever point that out? they are told not to worry about it, it's fine, nothing to see here, just .....get da money for daddy |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77653305 United States11/12/2019 03:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 20 years ago I was sending him a lot of money but he was supposed to be helping other people with it and not putting it into his bank account. I prefer to give directly so that I know the money goes where I want it...but churches do a lot of good...they will pay for car repairs, utility bills, and so on for people in need, but that doesn't mean the head people have to eat in the soup kitchens along with the poor... No that is EXACTLY how it should be Jesus teaches to do EXACTLY THIS Please just stop defending a person that is obviously not doing his God's work. “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”—Matthew 6:19–21 “For you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing, not realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked.”—Revelation 3:17 First Timothy 6:10: “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.” I could continue but I'll end with this, read up on Christ and the Rich Young Ruler story. It is in the Bible. The pastor should be the poorest of everyone |
| BRIEF
User ID: 39607259 United States11/12/2019 03:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you are doing HIS Will, you don't need to work hard! Remember? Didn't it say since you strayed you will work till the sweat of your brow? Those who do HIS WILL have no need as Manna is provided for them. Try it....it works! He has rewarded me abundantly... So you saying YOU HAVE: "1) Four private LearJets 2) A Jay Leno-sized stable of ultra-expensive automobiles, and ... 3) a "Heavenly Bank Account!"" Cause I bet you DON'T! There's those who God "Blesses," and there's those who SAY God blessed them and gave them all those things. Personally, *I* say he's justifying what he has kept (from what was given) and God would still bless him and be just as happy if he was just "rich," and not necessarily UBER-RICH. I have no need for those things...things are a burden...sure I have a few toys... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
| Doc Savage
Senior Forum Moderator 11/12/2019 03:29 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Lady Ignotus Jayne Smith ... and these pastors use greed to get people to give their last dime. "Brothers and Sisters I say unto you, whatever you give, God will return 10 fold! Open up and give to the will of the Lord!" Yeah, these turds go to seminars to teach them how to hook people. It is awful. Had "ministers" in our family -- some of the most disgusting, greedy types I have ever known. I always called their shit, and they loved to tell the rest of the family that I am demon possessed. Funny thing is: when presented with a malevolent haunting once, they tucked tail and ran, I was the one who went into deep meditation, and confronted the entity. For that, they then called me a witch. Can't make this crazy shit up. But not all are that way. My little Brother is a Pastor of a small Church, and has been for more than 20 years. 100% of the offerings collected go into expenses for the Church, and he works to support his family and lifestyle. I know there are some good ones out there, but they are becoming a smaller percentage. The ones that were in our family were horrid -- one set of rules for everyone, and another for them. Put on big public displays, but it was very different in private. They castigated everyone for drinking, but wanted me to go to the store and buy them wine -- couldn't be seen buying that stuff after going off on others, but sure liked to drink it themselves when no one was watching. Even asked me to write them a letter of reference for a rental property, after they had just gotten evicted for not paying rent for 3 months -- flipped the crap out when I reminded them we are not to bear false witness. I was at their "church" one evening when they had this guest "minister". He was like a used car salesman. He entire purpose for being their was to lead the offering. I was in the back during this time setting out refreshments when the offering plates were brought back. He asked, "how much was the haul?", when he saw the count, he said, "Let's go again". Went out front and started guilting people into giving more. I never set foot in their "church" again. Oh, and the minister relatives? They used that $$$ for a romantic weekend at the Gaylord in Dallas. Scrumpy, I just can't .........not with a clear conscience. Yeah hun, I know... there are a metric ton of these guys just out to get rich. Some of them start out right, but when the dollars start rolling in, they run to the cash and away from God. One of my best friends tells a story of the guy who led him to Christ. This guy was a teacher of The Word... a literal master of Scripture, and devoted to Christ. Until his situation changed, he got a Church, and the dollars started rolling in. He wound up going to prison for embezzlement, and while there, reverted/repented and led multitudes of prisoners to Christ. Did it stick once he was released? Who knows. But it takes a very special kind of person to be a Pastor, and to remain non-corrupted. My Brother’s been offered positions at large Churches over the years... he declined. He’d rather stay in God’s Will & take care of the people at his small Church, and support himself. Especially for a sincere, uncorrupted pastor, it's a stressful job. Many of them end up burning out, leaving the ministry -- some even walk away from their faith. The ones who are in it for the money simply don't care about their flock and take life easy. Copeland may escape justice in this life -- but he won't in the next. |
| BRIEF
User ID: 39607259 United States11/12/2019 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | His Jesus business gave 25 Million, that's $25,000,000.00 to the poor...how many of you can say that? Quoting: BRIEF jesus can't, jesus didn't give anyone a single dime. i guess if we could just make bread and fish magically appear all our problems would be solved maybe i can make a house appear, if i wish really really hard the bible says if I wish for it, God will give it to me. how sad is that? I'm not magic either, that's why I worked hard and saved money... well all our money is created by magic, from nothing, why don't christian preachers ever point that out? they are told not to worry about it, it's fine, nothing to see here, just .....get da money for daddy Not mine, my money came from hard work...no one ever gave me shit... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78151292 United States11/12/2019 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | His Jesus business gave 25 Million, that's $25,000,000.00 to the poor...how many of you can say that? Quoting: BRIEF So because he GAVE $25 mill, he NEEDS 25 million dollar JETS?????? how much money did Jesus ever give to anyone? zero Jesus could have just gave all his followers 10 gold bricks each, they could have just bought everything and given them awesome lives. why do they gotta wait for heaven? c'mon, wake the fuck up. nobody tells you to give your money away to strangers, you will sure as fuck die and they wouldn't give it back to you if you were dying Jesus didn't give money to anyone because it's not about the money! It's about the kingdom of Heaven. If Kenneth Copeland preaches a "prosperity gospel," then he's waaaay off base. what da fuck is the kingdom of heaven? can you describe it? is it a mansion? what color is it? would you buy something you could not describe in any way shape or form? people with money are already in heaven this world is heaven for people who have money and hell for people who are poor. ask homeless people with no money what hell is. if you follow Jesus advice, you WILL in fact, end up in hell, poor with no money, just listen to yourself, you tell your kids money isn't important? and they end up poor, in a shitty poor area, with no sidewalks and crime? their kids get raped, their pets get killed in dog fights? poverty is death |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78151292 United States11/12/2019 03:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78151292 jesus can't, jesus didn't give anyone a single dime. i guess if we could just make bread and fish magically appear all our problems would be solved maybe i can make a house appear, if i wish really really hard the bible says if I wish for it, God will give it to me. how sad is that? I'm not magic either, that's why I worked hard and saved money... well all our money is created by magic, from nothing, why don't christian preachers ever point that out? they are told not to worry about it, it's fine, nothing to see here, just .....get da money for daddy Not mine, my money came from hard work...no one ever gave me shit... you always say you worked hard but never say what hard work you did. why did you work so hard are you stupid or something? when i'm on a job and I work really hard, you know what everyone does? they try to get me to work hard so they dont have to work as hard |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78151292 United States11/12/2019 03:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78151292 jesus can't, jesus didn't give anyone a single dime. i guess if we could just make bread and fish magically appear all our problems would be solved maybe i can make a house appear, if i wish really really hard the bible says if I wish for it, God will give it to me. how sad is that? I'm not magic either, that's why I worked hard and saved money... well all our money is created by magic, from nothing, why don't christian preachers ever point that out? they are told not to worry about it, it's fine, nothing to see here, just .....get da money for daddy Not mine, my money came from hard work...no one ever gave me shit... you always say you worked hard but never say what hard work you did. why did you work so hard are you stupid or something? when i'm on a job and I work really hard, you know what everyone does? they try to get me to work hard so they dont have to work as hard |
