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How much repetition and shaming does it take to break a mind down?

 
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How much repetition and shaming does it take to break a mind down?
Asking for a friend.

In all seriousness, though, we see ridiculous levels of repetition in media, of things many would be opposed to, and even worse levels of shaming you in that same media if you think those things are wrong, until the things become accepted or at least tolerated.

For a smaller scale example,

In my own life with someone who had learned to apply the technique to essentially everything...

They brought me into a security room and showed me video of my having entered that building about ten times.


First, they screamed and berated me for having been in the building.

Then they asked if I had been in the building, in a tone that indicated I should be deeply ashamed if I had been.

By the end of the two-hour session, I was sitting there, watching video of myself walk into the building on the screen, and swearing up and down that I would never do that and had never been in the building because I wasn't a bad person, despite the evidence in front of both of us.

By the very end, we walked out with me ready to argue vehemently and tell the world with 100% certainty that I had never been in that building, because I "wasn't that type of person."

Obviously, in my case, the effects eventually wore off. I know I had been in that building and will now admit to it. But in how many people do they fail to wear off?
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture.
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Re: How much repetition and shaming does it take to break a mind down?
I am the one and iv copped that crap a thousand times worse than all of you plus times mass and iv always known to be shame free and fuck free when it comes to that sort of crap and it Just makes me hit them back harder.. My favorite saying to any bullshit accusation is yes I can spank you mam as in I can do what I like how I like and there ain't shit your mass media shame game or machina can do about it.. And funny thing is all who end up falling into hate error or judgment against me regarding are instantly bound to hell and will forever be dealt with.. I am who I am though none can compare to my experience for it short is extreme.. Iv Concord entire world cities in such games and then told them all to get fucked and made my way back home anonymously.. Iv been through the worst of the worst shaming experience anyone could ever imagine and walked out of such city as only champion.. They try me I rise and shine to the occasion.. And beauty of it is come judgment day I don't have to forgive any of you and I'm fine with that too for my kingdom needs none only those worthy could ever make it through..
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When the person, takes a bat to you for being a dick,,, you are half way there.
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Re: How much repetition and shaming does it take to break a mind down?
I am the one and iv copped that crap a thousand times worse than all of you plus times mass and iv always known to be shame free and fuck free when it comes to that sort of crap and it Just makes me hit them back harder.. My favorite saying to any bullshit accusation is yes I can spank you mam as in I can do what I like how I like and there ain't shit your mass media shame game or machina can do about it.. And funny thing is all who end up falling into hate error or judgment against me regarding are instantly bound to hell and will forever be dealt with.. I am who I am though none can compare to my experience for it short is extreme.. Iv Concord entire world cities in such games and then told them all to get fucked and made my way back home anonymously.. Iv been through the worst of the worst shaming experience anyone could ever imagine and walked out of such city as only champion.. They try me I rise and shine to the occasion.. And beauty of it is come judgment day I don't have to forgive any of you and I'm fine with that too for my kingdom needs none only those worthy could ever make it through..
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Sounds like you're trying to fight back, at least. scratching
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture.
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Re: How much repetition and shaming does it take to break a mind down?
When the person, takes a bat to you for being a dick,,, you are half way there.
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I don't think enough people are taking up bats.
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

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Re: How much repetition and shaming does it take to break a mind down?
I'm going on 50 years of it so I would say at least 10 more years.
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Re: How much repetition and shaming does it take to break a mind down?
Asking for a friend.

In all seriousness, though, we see ridiculous levels of repetition in media, of things many would be opposed to, and even worse levels of shaming you in that same media if you think those things are wrong, until the things become accepted or at least tolerated.

For a smaller scale example,

In my own life with someone who had learned to apply the technique to essentially everything...

They brought me into a security room and showed me video of my having entered that building about ten times.


First, they screamed and berated me for having been in the building.

Then they asked if I had been in the building, in a tone that indicated I should be deeply ashamed if I had been.

By the end of the two-hour session, I was sitting there, watching video of myself walk into the building on the screen, and swearing up and down that I would never do that and had never been in the building because I wasn't a bad person, despite the evidence in front of both of us.

By the very end, we walked out with me ready to argue vehemently and tell the world with 100% certainty that I had never been in that building, because I "wasn't that type of person."

Obviously, in my case, the effects eventually wore off. I know I had been in that building and will now admit to it. But in how many people do they fail to wear off?
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“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.”

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Soylent green is people.
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I am the one and iv copped that crap a thousand times worse than all of you plus times mass and iv always known to be shame free and fuck free when it comes to that sort of crap and it Just makes me hit them back harder.. My favorite saying to any bullshit accusation is yes I can spank you mam as in I can do what I like how I like and there ain't shit your mass media shame game or machina can do about it.. And funny thing is all who end up falling into hate error or judgment against me regarding are instantly bound to hell and will forever be dealt with.. I am who I am though none can compare to my experience for it short is extreme.. Iv Concord entire world cities in such games and then told them all to get fucked and made my way back home anonymously.. Iv been through the worst of the worst shaming experience anyone could ever imagine and walked out of such city as only champion.. They try me I rise and shine to the occasion.. And beauty of it is come judgment day I don't have to forgive any of you and I'm fine with that too for my kingdom needs none only those worthy could ever make it through..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78161567


Sounds like you're trying to fight back, at least. scratching
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Not really fight back just iv always known to stand my ground.. The streets brought me up tough.. Plus I am the one in the matrix aka Melbourne Australia and my unique experience is unmatched anywhere else in the universe.. I suppose I'm a lot bigger and bladder than the rest of you thus the extremacy of how iv copped it for all my life now..
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Re: How much repetition and shaming does it take to break a mind down?
how many licks to the "centaur" of the tootsie, pop?

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

that answer is 3

3 tantalizing licks and the trembling, shuddering, dribbling erection is all yours for the taking in man on man seductions

in patty hearst case it took 77 days blindfolded, drugged, starved and broom raped, verbally abused in a closet till she finally agreed to answer to "Tania" and wear a black beret.

so that's a pretty good yard stick to measure resistance by
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Re: How much repetition and shaming does it take to break a mind down?
how many licks to the "centaur" of the tootsie, pop?

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

that answer is 3

....

in patty hearst case it took 77 days blindfolded, drugged, starved and broom raped, verbally abused in a closet till she finally agreed to answer to "Tania" and wear a black beret.

so that's a pretty good yard stick to measure resistance by
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Yeah, but did she agree so the torture would stop, or did she actually believe she was Tania by that point?

And did she always after?

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Red light cameras.
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Red light cameras.
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Ooooo. Pure evil.
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Keep trying
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Re: How much repetition and shaming does it take to break a mind down?
strobe will knock you right out into a seizing, frothing mess

But there is a difference between 'shaming' the dog for doin chewie up yer shoe compared to uploading a hidden cam vid of an actual crime in progress. That's not shaming, its police evidence.

scolding has zero impact on sociopaths who are actually proud of cruelty

chemicals administered to induce a knockout effect will loosen the will but that is not the same thing as breakdown, its a shortcut

like gacy using chloroform on a hankie over your face, right?

clockwork orange has lots to say about MK technique circa '70
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Re: How much repetition and shaming does it take to break a mind down?
strobe will knock you right out into a seizing, frothing mess

But there is a difference between 'shaming' the dog for doin chewie up yer shoe compared to uploading a hidden cam vid of an actual crime in progress. That's not shaming, its police evidence.

scolding has zero impact on sociopaths who are actually proud of cruelty

chemicals administered to induce a knockout effect will loosen the will but that is not the same thing as breakdown, its a shortcut

like gacy using chloroform on a hankie over your face, right?

clockwork orange has lots to say about MK technique circa '70
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Yeah, I've seen chemical and electrical shortcuts used with varying short term effects, some longer term when it came to how the drugs/tase affected the recall of the event.

Not sure how effective strobes are?

I knew someone who had the manual and was convinced that strobing lights could short out the brain, but in all of her years of experimentation, the only one I ever saw her knock out was herself, accidentally.

Scolding might still work on sociopaths if you put it in a "You're not one of the in-crowd if you act this way" manner. In fact, that might explain society.
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

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I am the one and iv copped that crap a thousand times worse than all of you plus times mass and iv always known to be shame free and fuck free when it comes to that sort of crap and it Just makes me hit them back harder.. My favorite saying to any bullshit accusation is yes I can spank you mam as in I can do what I like how I like and there ain't shit your mass media shame game or machina can do about it.. And funny thing is all who end up falling into hate error or judgment against me regarding are instantly bound to hell and will forever be dealt with.. I am who I am though none can compare to my experience for it short is extreme.. Iv Concord entire world cities in such games and then told them all to get fucked and made my way back home anonymously.. Iv been through the worst of the worst shaming experience anyone could ever imagine and walked out of such city as only champion.. They try me I rise and shine to the occasion.. And beauty of it is come judgment day I don't have to forgive any of you and I'm fine with that too for my kingdom needs none only those worthy could ever make it through..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78161567


Sounds like you're trying to fight back, at least. scratching
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Not really fight back just iv always known to stand my ground.. The streets brought me up tough.. Plus I am the one in the matrix aka Melbourne Australia and my unique experience is unmatched anywhere else in the universe.. I suppose I'm a lot bigger and bladder than the rest of you thus the extremacy of how iv copped it for all my life now..
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Bigger and bladder huh? You probably ain't worth a piss.
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Re: How much repetition and shaming does it take to break a mind down?
Asking for a friend.

In all seriousness, though, we see ridiculous levels of repetition in media, of things many would be opposed to, and even worse levels of shaming you in that same media if you think those things are wrong, until the things become accepted or at least tolerated.

For a smaller scale example,

In my own life with someone who had learned to apply the technique to essentially everything...

They brought me into a security room and showed me video of my having entered that building about ten times.


First, they screamed and berated me for having been in the building.

Then they asked if I had been in the building, in a tone that indicated I should be deeply ashamed if I had been.

By the end of the two-hour session, I was sitting there, watching video of myself walk into the building on the screen, and swearing up and down that I would never do that and had never been in the building because I wasn't a bad person, despite the evidence in front of both of us.

By the very end, we walked out with me ready to argue vehemently and tell the world with 100% certainty that I had never been in that building, because I "wasn't that type of person."

Obviously, in my case, the effects eventually wore off. I know I had been in that building and will now admit to it. But in how many people do they fail to wear off?
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Did you start yet?

Asking for a friend..


hf
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Did you start yet?

Asking for a friend..


hf
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Your friend needs to go watch the tides.
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

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Did you start yet?

Asking for a friend..


hf
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Your friend needs to go watch the tides.
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Expecting a red tide?
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Did you start yet?

Asking for a friend..


hf
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Your friend needs to go watch the tides.
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Expecting a red tide?
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Not quite that. But maybe someone else is.
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture.
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Re: How much repetition and shaming does it take to break a mind down?
That depends. There are endless ways of repetition and shaming.
There are endless states of the breakdown of the Mind.

It all depends upon the will power of the giver and reciever.

I have always broke even.

Or some entity stepped in on my behalf.
If I couldn't handle anymore.
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It depends on the foundation that you build your Maslows pyramid on.
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It depends on the foundation that you build your Maslows pyramid on.
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Aren't we all standing on sand?
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

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Re: How much repetition and shaming does it take to break a mind down?
Asking for a friend.

In all seriousness, though, we see ridiculous levels of repetition in media, of things many would be opposed to, and even worse levels of shaming you in that same media if you think those things are wrong, until the things become accepted or at least tolerated.

For a smaller scale example,

In my own life with someone who had learned to apply the technique to essentially everything...

They brought me into a security room and showed me video of my having entered that building about ten times.


First, they screamed and berated me for having been in the building.

Then they asked if I had been in the building, in a tone that indicated I should be deeply ashamed if I had been.

By the end of the two-hour session, I was sitting there, watching video of myself walk into the building on the screen, and swearing up and down that I would never do that and had never been in the building because I wasn't a bad person, despite the evidence in front of both of us.

By the very end, we walked out with me ready to argue vehemently and tell the world with 100% certainty that I had never been in that building, because I "wasn't that type of person."

Obviously, in my case, the effects eventually wore off. I know I had been in that building and will now admit to it. But in how many people do they fail to wear off?
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Spain had it right at the inquisitionfuckyeah5.
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Re: How much repetition and shaming does it take to break a mind down?
strobe will knock you right out into a seizing, frothing mess

But there is a difference between 'shaming' the dog for doin chewie up yer shoe compared to uploading a hidden cam vid of an actual crime in progress. That's not shaming, its police evidence.

scolding has zero impact on sociopaths who are actually proud of cruelty

chemicals administered to induce a knockout effect will loosen the will but that is not the same thing as breakdown, its a shortcut

like gacy using chloroform on a hankie over your face, right?

clockwork orange has lots to say about MK technique circa '70
 Quoting: naked child commercials 75638309


Yeah, I've seen chemical and electrical shortcuts used with varying short term effects, some longer term when it came to how the drugs/tase affected the recall of the event.

Not sure how effective strobes are?

I knew someone who had the manual and was convinced that strobing lights could short out the brain, but in all of her years of experimentation, the only one I ever saw her knock out was herself, accidentally.

Scolding might still work on sociopaths if you put it in a "You're not one of the in-crowd if you act this way" manner. In fact, that might explain society.
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We are what we think, our thoughts create the world....
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It depends on the foundation that you build your Maslows pyramid on.
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That reminds me of an Elder I had a conversation with some time ago.We talked of just about everything in such a short time.I felt so at ease with him.Not normal for me.I told him that I felt like it all,just EVERYTHING in my life was falling down all around me at once like heavy bricks that fell faster than I could avoid.He said not to worry because I was the cornerstone.
He was so sincere and it made me sad as fuck when he said that.Not sure why.
Maybe because Elders are going away,a knowledge that cant be replaced : (

This world is fucked
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Re: How much repetition and shaming does it take to break a mind down?
Asking for a friend.

In all seriousness, though, we see ridiculous levels of repetition in media, of things many would be opposed to, and even worse levels of shaming you in that same media if you think those things are wrong, until the things become accepted or at least tolerated.

For a smaller scale example,

In my own life with someone who had learned to apply the technique to essentially everything...

They brought me into a security room and showed me video of my having entered that building about ten times.


First, they screamed and berated me for having been in the building.

Then they asked if I had been in the building, in a tone that indicated I should be deeply ashamed if I had been.

By the end of the two-hour session, I was sitting there, watching video of myself walk into the building on the screen, and swearing up and down that I would never do that and had never been in the building because I wasn't a bad person, despite the evidence in front of both of us.

By the very end, we walked out with me ready to argue vehemently and tell the world with 100% certainty that I had never been in that building, because I "wasn't that type of person."

Obviously, in my case, the effects eventually wore off. I know I had been in that building and will now admit to it. But in how many people do they fail to wear off?
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“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.”

Adolf Hitler
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That was Goebells quote, not Hitlers.
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Workin' on it. Great question.
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Depends the age of the mind it is started with.
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It depends on the foundation that you build your Maslows pyramid on.
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Aren't we all standing on sand?
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No





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