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Most of Europe is Socialist and they are like the greatest people ever, so....
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You are going to have more socialism push from Millenials if you don't stop making rent and food prices so HIGH. burnit
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Demand is making rent high. In SF-- highly paid software engineers are bidding up the prices of real estate in SF and Berkeley. Real estate taxes are also making the price of rent high. High taxation is fleecing landlords and tenants alike-- and it is spent on things like needle exchange and illegal alien college tuition --- that have no social benefit for taxpaying citizens.

The solution to the housing issue is simple. Live further out and commute to your job in the city. Vote for lower real estate taxes.

My baby boomer husband commuted 3 hours a day because we could not afford to buy a nice house closer in to NYC.

Millennials-- you can't live in "the exciting city" because it is toooo expensive for you. Grow up and compromise.

Many generations before you have had this problem also. Stop whining, and move far out of the city. Commute. Learn a language while you drive or take the train.

You must learn to compromise with your lack of money-- work hard, save your money, commute-- and maybe buy a place in the city after you are established financially..

Socialism is only going to make your problems worse.
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Most of Europe is Socialist and they are like the greatest people ever, so....
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Europe is having major problems.

Scandinavian socialism only works when the culture has an average IQ of over 100, and a work ethic, and a common heritage.

All of which the Kalergi plan is now destroying.
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It would be interesting to know the voting records of the owners who have to shut down.
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I beg to differ. It is capitalism and widening gap between the ultrarich and everyone else. The problem is that wages have not increased but housing costs have tremendously. There is not enough affordable housing. People are not getting paid enough.
That’s it
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If the wages go up so will everything else. Learn some basic economics! The corporation is not going to lose profits they will raise prices on everything to gain back what the have to pay for labor.
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Comparing the issues of SF with NYC doesn't work; NYC is still an amazing livable city. San Fran is 30 years ahead crisis wise.

All the reasons I left NYC 30 years ago are in this video. This was near my neighborhood, which was much prettier and less high rises, just East of when he walks by Madison Square garden., in the East 20s which is called Gramercy area. If you had a real NYC apartment, it would be hard to leave it, but I just had a poor mans shithole so it was time to move on.

Look at what I dealt with everyday. NYC was always very dark; dark hair, dark skin, dark environment, but amazingly Manhattan is mostly white.

The dog shit, the gum on the sidewalks, the permanent scaffoldings, the smells, the overflowing garbage. Not worth it. In it's glory days, it was great. I used to walk home up 6th ave late at night and there would be not one person out, barely one or two cars. I got to experience that. Now it's a circus everywhere 24/7.
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NYC is getting strange.....new luxury condo buildings are being built across the street from government projects low income housing....the skid row Bowery is now full of clubs, restaurants, and hotels.....I own a building in Manhattan and friends think I'm crazy not living there.....I live across the river in a house.....too old for "bright lights, big city".....looking to move to the countryside for retirement in 2 years.....

NYC bothers me.....socialist attitude from so called "woke" people.....I nod my head and smile the same way as if I'm talking with the mentally deranged.....a great majority doesn't know the issues except on an emotional level and they are vocal.....
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I beg to differ. It is capitalism and widening gap between the ultrarich and everyone else. The problem is that wages have not increased but housing costs have tremendously. There is not enough affordable housing. People are not getting paid enough.
That’s it
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72490031


Big Error.

The darling of the socialist crowd Franklin D Roosevelt implemented the fifth plank of the communist manifesto.

That the credit of the people is the property of the government with a central bank to administer the people's credit.

You are not living in a capitalistic system where you own your money.

The bankers love socialism where the people own nothing and they get to loan the collectivized credit back to the people.
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Eustace Mullins on the NWO: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] (98.7 minutes)

At about twenty minutes in Mullins gets to paper money and credit as money.

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Most of Europe is Socialist and they are like the greatest people ever, so....
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Europe is having major problems.

Scandinavian socialism only works when the culture has an average IQ of over 100, and a work ethic, and a common heritage.

All of which the Kalergi plan is now destroying.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75913449


Scandinavian socialism is fascism.
The capitalists/major companies/banks have big big sway here.
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It would be interesting to know the voting records of the owners who have to shut down.
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We all already know.
In Sweden it's socialdemocrats getting raped by immigrants and having to sell their shit, and the rest of the 7-party as we call them (they're about 82% of the electorate).
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Looks like a zombie scene to me nov 7hiding
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It's great to walk everywhere. It's so convenient, and an easy way to exercise. I love not having to own a car, not having to pay for car repairs, not having to pay for car insurance, not having to buy gas and oil.
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At the most basic level, the Liberal is anti-God. He is an intellectually dishonest, unprincipled, mentally immature, spoiled child who is forever in search of a world without moral consequence or personal responsibility.
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More and more people have to stop being passive about, much less warm-hearted towards, people of the left. The false, foolish belief that "hey, the intentions are good, aren't they? That's all that counts" is what has destroyed peoples and places.

How many liberals - certainly hard-left ones but even plenty of soft liberals, even various "centrists" and a few soft conservatives - catch themselves going, "well Castro/Mao/Stalin may have been cruel, cunning and inhumane, but they did provide free healthcare and education to their people"?

Or variations of "he at least kept the trains running on time."

It's a given that liberals/leftists/progressives have had a soft spot in their heart for Bill/Hillary Clinton because, in their twisted minds, "hey, they may have grifted, they may have schemed and scammed, they may have groped and raped. But they did feel our pain."

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 Quoting: CSnow


"It's a given that liberals/leftists/progressives have had a soft spot in their heart for Bill/Hillary Clinton .."

I would guess the reverse is also true.

What you say above is true.
Socialism has it's apologists but the hard truth is liberals despise freedom because they despise morality and the personal responsibility that makes morality essential and necessary to a successful life.

This country lost it's moral compass long ago.
Thus the decline in quality of life and the increased public celebration of anything and everything perverted and evil.
"Tolerance is the lube that helps slip the dildo of dysfunction into the ass of a civilized society." Plato
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Whether you like it or not it's going to happen.
There are too many poor people. They are revolting.
If you end up paying more in taxes, you deserve to.
Like I said, like it or not, it's coming.
Learn to love it.
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5 Ways America Is Already Socialist

Socialism, turns out the dirtiest word in U.S. politics is as American as apple pie. From the U.S. labor movement to the New Deal to corporate subsidies, America relies on a healthy dose of socialism.


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Exactly.

They also never ran a business.

They have no idea how to generate income.

They don't make the money they need to "build" something they take it from the hard working pockets of the populace.

It isn't that the cost of everything is so high it's that the taxes are too high, the demands put on business to pay for this social welfare program or that tax or fee or government imposed wage is literally burying the business owner.

The ONLY class of person who actually "succeeds" in socialism is the connected class.

"Crony Capitalism" is the cornerstone of the socialist system.

If you're connected, you're going to do great. You might even become a oligarch.

If you're a citizen, enjoy your rat dinner.
 Quoting: An Average American Patriot




Wow you are wrong. You obviously have never spoken to any homeless person. Do you know that the number one reason for bankruptcy states his medical bills? What about the people who are homeless who cannot take care of them selves because there are two disabled? Are you going to say that homeless veterans as lazy as you say?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72490031


You're assuming a hell of a lot there.

I'm not wrong.

You think SOCIALISM is going to fix homelessness?

You think homelessness is something new?

You think bankruptcy is new?

There are ABSOLUTELY extreme cases where that is true.

However, those are the extreme which s NOT what this article is addressing and SOCIALISM is NEVER going to fix those cases.

What will?

A charitable society.

Look at what your precious move toward socialism has done.

What is one of the first things socialism MUST do in order to come in to power?

It KILLS God.

It KILLS the church.

It makes the government the "church."

It kills morality.

It kills responsibility.

Where two parents are disabled there are charitable organizations and the church, entities that exist OUTSIDE the government that are ready and willing to provide care and assistance to people who find themselves in that dire position.

I know because I DO have experience with the homeless.

You know what also causes such dire circumstance.

Dependence on drugs, alcohol, etc.

Socialism is NOT the answer.

A SOCIETY that takes care of their own made up of people who take care of themselves is the answer.
 Quoting: An Average American Patriot





Don’t you realize that we are already a socialist country

Charitable organizations do not provide housing. The factor that you are not including in your data is the huge increase in housing costs and the decrease in the number of housing… A lot of this is because of the illegals here. There is not Support I love. People do not give enough with charity. That’s why intervention is needed
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72490031


Are you kidding me?

Ever hear of:

Habitat for Humanity

Shelter

Catholic Charities USA

Hell...how about SECTION 8 housing provided by HUD, in other words...our tax dollars at work.

Did you not pay attention to the part about socialism KILLING God? Killing religion?

THAT is EXACTLY what they want to happen.

Create a problem in order to "solve it" with socialism.

Destroy the charitable nature of society in order to make GOVERNMENT the problem solver, NOT the charitable nature of a society who seeks to do right by GOD and provide for their fellow man.

INTERVENTION is EXACTLY what THEY want.

We've gone from being an incredibly charitable nation, perhaps the MOST charitable in HISTORY, to being one where people are woefully ill prepared to CARE for themselves.

You're falling in to the trap they've laid, over and over again, through out the entire world.

You're surrendering your INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY for the security the government promises.
Eternal vigilance Is the price of liberty. Speak out and be heard. Be seen and get noticed. Stand up and be counted. Cherish freedom.
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I beg to differ. It is capitalism and widening gap between the ultrarich and everyone else. The problem is that wages have not increased but housing costs have tremendously. There is not enough affordable housing. People are not getting paid enough.
That’s it
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Absolute rubbish.

What is that "widening gap"?

Show me a shred of proof.

You're spewing leftist propaganda without a single shred of proof.

It isn't that wages have "not increased". Wages ARE increasing.

Can wages out pace tax increases?

Where are you? I would expect it's a large city in a high tax state.
 Quoting: An Average American Patriot




You obviously don’t read Harvard

[link to news.harvard.edu (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72490031


GEEZUS.

EXACTLY.

You're going to utilize a collegiate "study" to tell me what is going on in REALITY vs the minds of academics?

HARVARD IS TRASH

Harvard IS part of the PROBLEM

They couldn't find reality if it bit them on the ass... they'd just write a paper about how their ass hurt because capitalism is bad. They can't see their ASS hurts because they're sitting on their brains.

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They never had to work for a living...my own mother never understood what it takes to MAKE money...
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Exactly.

They also never ran a business.

They have no idea how to generate income.

They don't make the money they need to "build" something they take it from the hard working pockets of the populace.

It isn't that the cost of everything is so high it's that the taxes are too high, the demands put on business to pay for this social welfare program or that tax or fee or government imposed wage is literally burying the business owner.

The ONLY class of person who actually "succeeds" in socialism is the connected class.

"Crony Capitalism" is the cornerstone of the socialist system.

If you're connected, you're going to do great. You might even become a oligarch.

If you're a citizen, enjoy your rat dinner.
 Quoting: An Average American Patriot




Wow you are wrong. You obviously have never spoken to any homeless person. Do you know that the number one reason for bankruptcy states his medical bills? What about the people who are homeless who cannot take care of them selves because there are two disabled? Are you going to say that homeless veterans as lazy as you say?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72490031


You're assuming a hell of a lot there.

I'm not wrong.

You think SOCIALISM is going to fix homelessness?

You think homelessness is something new?

You think bankruptcy is new?

There are ABSOLUTELY extreme cases where that is true.

However, those are the extreme which s NOT what this article is addressing and SOCIALISM is NEVER going to fix those cases.

What will?

A charitable society.

Look at what your precious move toward socialism has done.

What is one of the first things socialism MUST do in order to come in to power?

It KILLS God.

It KILLS the church.

It makes the government the "church."

It kills morality.

It kills responsibility.

Where two parents are disabled there are charitable organizations and the church, entities that exist OUTSIDE the government that are ready and willing to provide care and assistance to people who find themselves in that dire position.

I know because I DO have experience with the homeless.

You know what also causes such dire circumstance.

Dependence on drugs, alcohol, etc.

Socialism is NOT the answer.

A SOCIETY that takes care of their own made up of people who take care of themselves is the answer.
 Quoting: An Average American Patriot


You speak truth.

Liberals only tolerate Liberals and Liberal ideas. Liberals hate Christianity and conservative Bible believing Christians are persona non grata in any gathering of Liberals. Liberals are extremely intolerant concerning Christianity because of its insistence upon personal responsibility and moral absolutes. Liberals know that a society without moral absolutes and without a strong emphasis on personal responsibility will fall be it's downfall because self reliance and rugged individualism are traits that are only found among moral peoples who come from strong families.
"Tolerance is the lube that helps slip the dildo of dysfunction into the ass of a civilized society." Plato
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Most of Europe is Socialist and they are like the greatest people ever, so....
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they hate everyone else and stick their noses in the sky most of them.
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San Francisco And NYC bigger problem is both cities are overcrowded. Humans were not meant to live like sardines in a can.
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Most of Europe is Socialist and they are like the greatest people ever, so....
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Europe is having major problems.

Scandinavian socialism only works when the culture has an average IQ of over 100, and a work ethic, and a common heritage.

All of which the Kalergi plan is now destroying.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75913449


For liberalism/leftist/progressivism/Socialism/Communism to not crash too quickly, a society requires post-card-perfect demographics and good natural resources.

Very few places in the world, if any, have those two built-in advantages. Having just one of the two, such as what oil-rich Venezuela is known for, hasn't prevented the misery and suffering of kind, caring, humane liberal/leftwing Maduro's country.

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I beg to differ. It is capitalism and widening gap between the ultrarich and everyone else. The problem is that wages have not increased but housing costs have tremendously. There is not enough affordable housing. People are not getting paid enough.
That’s it
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And the reason for the low wages and unaffordable housing is Socialist policies in city governments. Most city council members and mayors are Liberals, even in Red states.

Those governments put out regulations and taxes that increase housing costs and regulate new housing projects to keep profits up.
They also restrict business growth,(both by increasing taxes and regulations) which is creating excess workers and
thus decreasing wages.

Basic economics, do you understand that?
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The great awakening!
I lost my apathy.
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Communist take-over of America, and they'r pooping in the streets.
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You are going to have more socialism push from Millenials if you don't stop making rent and food prices so HIGH. burnit
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The prices are so high because the tax-payer is subsidizing the welfare leeches who refuse to take responsibility for their own pathetic lives.

When millennials demand “free” food, college tuition. Healthcare, rent, etc...the rest of society (working class) has to pay MORE to make up the difference
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Despite all its other negative points, true Communism does NOT encourage immigration.

What really brings in the immigrants are:

1. Big business
2. Democracy - "we the people"
3. Arts and entertainment
4. Scantliy clad and naked women

A true Communist country like N.Korea is EXTREMELY boring and inhospitable.

Why go there, when you can have so much fun in America?

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Why the fuck would any business stay in one of those socialist shit holes?

liberalism
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Looks like a zombie scene to me nov 7hiding
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I can't bear to watch it. When was that from? A holiday? Normal work days you can not get a seat....bullshit!
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Wow you are wrong. You obviously have never spoken to any homeless person. Do you know that the number one reason for bankruptcy states his medical bills? What about the people who are homeless who cannot take care of them selves because there are two disabled? Are you going to say that homeless veterans as lazy as you say?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72490031


You're assuming a hell of a lot there.

I'm not wrong.

You think SOCIALISM is going to fix homelessness?

You think homelessness is something new?

You think bankruptcy is new?

There are ABSOLUTELY extreme cases where that is true.

However, those are the extreme which s NOT what this article is addressing and SOCIALISM is NEVER going to fix those cases.

What will?

A charitable society.

Look at what your precious move toward socialism has done.

What is one of the first things socialism MUST do in order to come in to power?

It KILLS God.

It KILLS the church.

It makes the government the "church."

It kills morality.

It kills responsibility.

Where two parents are disabled there are charitable organizations and the church, entities that exist OUTSIDE the government that are ready and willing to provide care and assistance to people who find themselves in that dire position.

I know because I DO have experience with the homeless.

You know what also causes such dire circumstance.

Dependence on drugs, alcohol, etc.

Socialism is NOT the answer.

A SOCIETY that takes care of their own made up of people who take care of themselves is the answer.
 Quoting: An Average American Patriot





Don’t you realize that we are already a socialist country

Charitable organizations do not provide housing. The factor that you are not including in your data is the huge increase in housing costs and the decrease in the number of housing… A lot of this is because of the illegals here. There is not Support I love. People do not give enough with charity. That’s why intervention is needed
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72490031


Are you kidding me?

Ever hear of:

Habitat for Humanity

Shelter

Catholic Charities USA

Hell...how about SECTION 8 housing provided by HUD, in other words...our tax dollars at work.

Did you not pay attention to the part about socialism KILLING God? Killing religion?

THAT is EXACTLY what they want to happen.

Create a problem in order to "solve it" with socialism.

Destroy the charitable nature of society in order to make GOVERNMENT the problem solver, NOT the charitable nature of a society who seeks to do right by GOD and provide for their fellow man.

INTERVENTION is EXACTLY what THEY want.

We've gone from being an incredibly charitable nation, perhaps the MOST charitable in HISTORY, to being one where people are woefully ill prepared to CARE for themselves.

You're falling in to the trap they've laid, over and over again, through out the entire world.

You're surrendering your INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY for the security the government promises.
 Quoting: An Average American Patriot


Don't confuse charity with government sponsored theft. Charity is when people give, of their own free will, to someone less fortunate. Theft when something is taken from you and used or given to someone else. Section 8 is not charity, as with all government "give aways" the money is stolen from people that work for a living, and given to those that don't.
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Most of Europe is Socialist and they are like the greatest people ever, so....
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Real God fearing people they are......

Satanism on display!! Gotthard Tunnel ceremony! 9/25/16

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