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Chapter 5 (21).

While Satan and Hades were thus speaking to each other, there was a great voice like thunder, saying: Lift up your gates, O ye rulers; and be ye lifted up, ye everlasting gates; and the King of glory shall come in. When Hades heard, he said to Satan: Go forth, if thou art able, and withstand him. Satan therefore went forth to the outside. Then Hades says to his demons: Secure well and strongly the gates of brass and the bars of iron, and attend to my bolts, and stand in order, and see to everything; for if he come in here, woe will seize us.

The forefathers having heard this, began all to revile him, saying: O all-devouring and insatiable! open, that the King of glory may come in. David the prophet says: Dost thou not know, O blind, that I when living in the world prophesied this saying: Lift up your gates, O ye rulers? Hesaias said: I, foreseeing this by the Holy Spirit, wrote: The dead shall rise up, and those in their tombs shall be raised, and those in the earth shall rejoice. And where, O death, is thy sting? where, O Hades, is thy victory?

There came, then, again a voice saying: Lift up the gates. Hades, hearing the voice the second time, answered as if forsooth he did not know, and says: Who is this King of glory? The angels of the Lord say: The Lord strong and mighty, the Lord mighty in battle. And immediately with these words the brazen gates were shattered, and the iron bars broken, and all the dead who had been bound came out of the prisons, and we with the n And the King of glory came in in the form of a man, and all the dark places of Hades were lighted up.
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Part II.-The Descent of Christ into Hell


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I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT IT IS THE MOST EXTREME IGNORANCE TO BELIEVE HELL DOESNT EXIST.
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Not ignorance. Fact. Hell is a myth concocted to keep religionists in line by those who wish to control through fear. The whole idea of it is completely anathema to what God is, which is Love. He doesn't judge, punish and torture His children at all. His mercy is all-encompassing and infinite. The only hell is the one you create for yourself if you choose to live against God and the only demons are the ones you create for yourself.

And if you want to argue about God's mercy and why He supposedly allows suffering then...first...know that God does not control our lives. He is not a puppetmaster. He only tries to guide through His inner spirit presence but makes nobody do anything nor does He make anything happen. Good or Bad. He's quite hands-off until the choice is made to work with Him. Then, and only then, will you begin to see the effects of God's presence in your life.

Secondly...Sometimes our angels do more directly influence events to steer us in a certain direction our souls may need but otherwise everything that happens in our lives and the world is our free will. They will also never directly interfere with our free will except if asked to. The matter of "Ask, and you shall receive" (what you need, not always what you want. There is a difference). Also, if God did control the world and people then we wouldn't have the shit we do now.

There's a simple saying that expresses God's way perfectly - "God will work with you, not for you". If we want God's way then we need to take the first steps and direct our lives and hearts to align with Him. Otherwise He'll just silently watch and let happen whatever your free will choices let happen.

But still know that never will you be condemned to eternal torment for indiscretions, so-called "sin", which is only learning about life and spirit and the laws of God through experience. Heaven is a real place but Hell is a place you can make by your choices only. Life can be heaven and life can be hell. It only depends on you.

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There is no such thing as hell. Stop trying to scare people!
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Hell is a physical place .
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Jesus says to me "FORGIVE your enemies...go GOOD to those who harm or use you"

I say "I do".

I then ask Jesus..

"Jesus...what do you do with YOUR enemies...those who hate you and talk bad about you"?

Jeus says..

"I BURN THEM ALIVE FOREVER IN AN ENDLESS FIT OF RAGE AND REVENGE AND NEVER EVER FORGIVE THEM"


If Jesus asks US to forgive OUR enemies...should he not live up to his OWN teachings...and FORGIVE HIS?"

Ponder this...
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Lots of thoughts on this, but a few things always come to mind:

1. The video says that Jesus claims he has done every he can to let us know, but this is so false.

2000 years ago he came to a small group of people in middle east, in human form, and only a very few people got to actually see anything that would be proof he was not human, the rest had hear it third-hand from humans (and we all know how much bs humans concoct)

And the rest of the world, for centuries still had to go direct to hell because God didn't bother to notify them until Christians missionaries got there (who proceeded to send people to hell at record pace thanks to disease and mass genocide brought by Europeans).

If God really wanted to be sure we got the message, why doesn't he gift everyone this vision, why doesn't a huge face appear in the sky everyday saying "remember everyone, check out a hottie and go straight to the pit, have a nice day!"

Or appear as an obvious apparition to each family at the birth of each child and explain it to them (and not some bs like "sending a preacher as his messenger", cos how can we tell if the preacher is bs'ing or not).

That would be letting us know with everything at his disposal, in reality, its more like the below...


2. The problem with the whole "its ok cos the bible tells you so" is in reality it can be likened to the following (and the same applies to being here for your soul to learn a lesson, this reality is a prison for souls, etc given we don't remember what lesson/etc we want to learn) :

You take your kid to a building one day, tell him nothing, just suddenly drive him there and drop him off, the building is full of books with all religions and myths of the world in a random pile, plus there is a playground and a pile of toys.

Come back in the evening, and ask him: "so did u learn the religion/lesson/etc that I wanted you to?", if he did not (most likely as he had no clue he was even supposed to learn), you as a parent would then be ok burning and torturing your child for the rest of his life, as he deserves it?

Because that's basically what we are saying here, expect in my example your kid has the advantage of knowing you as the father/parent exist, which we don't know for a fact here (its faith not fact).


3. Is it not the case from the bible that Satan was originally an angel, and rebelled against God, i.e Satan disobeyed and does his own thing?

So, a human does whatever is required to get sent to hell (which seems to be the default path actually), where he is tortured by Satan and his demons forever.

But wait, if God commands that Satan/demons torture humans, then that means the Satan is in fact still Gods bitch, and obeying Gods commands?

Surely if Satan rebelled, then in fact when humans get to hell he would refrain from torturing them simply to piss God off, sure he hates humans but why is he obeying God?

That doesn't make any sense?


4. If there is hell and our souls burn forever, this contradicts a primary part of Christian believe.

AFAIK, according to the bible, there is only 1 God, and he is the most supreme, alpha and omega, i.e there is nothing beyond or more powerful than him.

So, if we do any of the things on this seemingly random list of vices (many of which make sense only in this human reality), we burn forever because sin is abominable to God, and he cannot be in its presence.

But, if God is the most powerful entity he could simply change the "rules" to automatically "forgive" any sin and allow everyone into heaven (as he could create/refactor reality to behave any way he wants)

If he is unable to do this (which it appears he is from the video), therefore he must be bound by a higher power, and therefore not only is there more than one god, this god is likely quite low on the power hierarchy, negating much of Christian believe/bible.

This creates a paradox in a sense, either God is actually "a god", or he actually wants you to burn in hell, i.e a psychopath not a loving deity.
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If your loved ones are actually in hell and you go there too you will never see them there.

Lady Describes Horrors of Hell


God Jesus the Saviour of the world
Blessed are they that put their trust in him
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The pope said there's no such thing as hell.
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If your loved ones are actually in hell and you go there too you will never see them there.

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God Jesus the Saviour of the world
Blessed are they that put their trust in him
 Quoting: Jesus is also the Father God


I have a problem with tales of a man who walks on water and flies on a cloud.They might want to step back and examine their indoctrination in this tale. The dreams of someone regarding any aspect of the myth is not of any worth. Other than repeating certain claims of the myth, think.
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Did you take your blue pill this morning? Again?!

You are a natural man, simple, not one who considers deep things, such as the nature of the universe, how that everything has a place and purpose, and that everything is logical and not random and bound by physical laws and through cause and effect makes sense. And that the universe shows no signs of chance or randomness or chaos, and that it's coming into being was none of those things. To conclude that there was an intelligent power that made something from nothing and gave life and consciousness to matter.

If you had meditated on some things like that you would realize that there is a God, and that God who has a personality of it's own and can be known, became Jesus as he had promised that we may know him.
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Odd you attach belief to one tale of a god and reject other tales of other gods. Some how that makes you a greater mind as to the universe. You made a choice to believe this god tale, period. You have belief based on? A book? Some deep personal feeling? I have deep personal feelings for my wife,children,friends and you can meet them. Supernatural beings may well exsist, but there is no evidence except asscertions. Santa may be real but never came to your house. If a man/god can walk on water, fly away etc., certainly reindeer can fly. Prove Santa's dont. I dont claim your god doesnt exsist, or the hundreds of others, I just see no proof. Absent some proof I decline belief in a claim. You like billions of others choose to believe in one of the many gods available. It doesn't require pills to withold belief. Perhaps a bit more understanding on the known vs the unknown. However, man hates to say "I don't know' to questions he can't answer. God(s) have been the traditional explanation. Neptune,Thor,Mercury etc., until knowledge answered the question correctly. Sadly human sacrifice to appease a wrong or satisfy a god was adopted by some sects. Yours included. If that makes my view less wordly than yours, gladly guility. Kill your son is woven into the promise of immortality of christian theology. You embrace it, I'll pass.
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Lets just say...whatever it is you believe of hell or no hell...whatever it is (I believe the biblical narrative) you wont end up there by mistake or because of a misunderstanding or a fluke.
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Unless you're attending a church that worships a different Christ, who is getting nobody saved.

Many "churches" are doing this.

And people will suffer the consequences because they do not seek God, they do not consume the KJ Bible and learn.. they hold their church leader in a deity light and hang on every teaching, right or wrong, never realizing they attend a dead church and are being indoctrinated with heresy.

As well, people pridefully follow their human understanding instead of adopting every verse of the KJ Bible.. God's exact instructions and warnings.
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Just wondering why this tale of a god has books of different versions? Should that raise concerns that your version may be wrong? Do you have the orginal texts? No. Who wrote your book? Unknown. Who translatated the texts from other languages? Don't know. However, you claim to believe based on? Faith? The other bible versions are believed via faith, just like you. I don't question you hold these beliefs deeply. However I could say the same thing for believers of every religion that ever was. Your unproven god is better than some other unproven god is a odd argument to make.
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I don't understand how the concept of hell came about in Christianity when it was absent from Judaism.
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Other than no greater belief in self worth than a God favors your tribe is the foundation you question any asscertation of a offshoot religion? How the hell do you get Judaism as being some truth that cant be added or subtracted from? It's just another belief system. The single theme of all religions is somehow they benefit the believer. Which should raise a few flags but oddly don't.
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The Bible itself tells us hell does not exist.

Ezekial 18:4
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God metes out Justice Once at the Judgement.

Not for eternity, people who believe in an eternal hell have never studied the Hebrew or greek translations and are ebing Decieved by the Romans.
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Funny how the truth is always ignored
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Don't you just hate that?

Jesus promises to destroy souls so you can feel better that they're not going to suffer in hell forever and ever and ever, just for what seems like it.
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God hates it more. Imagine your own children ignoring your wisdom and causing suffering for you and themselves and others.
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Now imagine you burn them for eternity. Now call yourself merciful and loving. You are equal to your god, enjoy.
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If your loved ones are actually in hell and you go there too you will never see them there.

Lady Describes Horrors of Hell


God Jesus the Saviour of the world
Blessed are they that put their trust in him
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This is just made up shit to scare people who are weak and impressionable.
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Is it? Or do you just think it is? Could you be wrong?

What I can't verify is false, and what you cannot verify is true?
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I never have to prove that something doesn't exist. Religionists have to make things up all the time, such as hell.
Just don't make anything up.
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Jesus says to me "FORGIVE your enemies...go GOOD to those who harm or use you"

I say "I do".

I then ask Jesus..

"Jesus...what do you do with YOUR enemies...those who hate you and talk bad about you"?

Jeus says..

"I BURN THEM ALIVE FOREVER IN AN ENDLESS FIT OF RAGE AND REVENGE AND NEVER EVER FORGIVE THEM"


If Jesus asks US to forgive OUR enemies...should he not live up to his OWN teachings...and FORGIVE HIS?"

Ponder this...
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Well you're forgetting justice. God is judge, he says so. He is just, he says so. He will punish and he will take vengeance, he says so.

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

God is able to forgive and his death on the cross is an act of open forgiveness. To not accept his forgiveness is to keep ones own judgment. To not accept forgiveness is to reject it. Jesus died forgiving everyone of all their sins. Do they all want it? Who are you to keep on unforgiving who God forgives?

Thank you.
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I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT IT IS THE MOST EXTREME IGNORANCE TO BELIEVE HELL DOESNT EXIST.
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Not ignorance. Fact. Hell is a myth concocted to keep religionists in line by those who wish to control through fear. The whole idea of it is completely anathema to what God is, which is Love. He doesn't judge, punish and torture His children at all. His mercy is all-encompassing and infinite. The only hell is the one you create for yourself if you choose to live against God and the only demons are the ones you create for yourself.

And if you want to argue about God's mercy and why He supposedly allows suffering then...first...know that God does not control our lives. He is not a puppetmaster. He only tries to guide through His inner spirit presence but makes nobody do anything nor does He make anything happen. Good or Bad. He's quite hands-off until the choice is made to work with Him. Then, and only then, will you begin to see the effects of God's presence in your life.

Secondly...Sometimes our angels do more directly influence events to steer us in a certain direction our souls may need but otherwise everything that happens in our lives and the world is our free will. They will also never directly interfere with our free will except if asked to. The matter of "Ask, and you shall receive" (what you need, not always what you want. There is a difference). Also, if God did control the world and people then we wouldn't have the shit we do now.

There's a simple saying that expresses God's way perfectly - "God will work with you, not for you". If we want God's way then we need to take the first steps and direct our lives and hearts to align with Him. Otherwise He'll just silently watch and let happen whatever your free will choices let happen.

But still know that never will you be condemned to eternal torment for indiscretions, so-called "sin", which is only learning about life and spirit and the laws of God through experience. Heaven is a real place but Hell is a place you can make by your choices only. Life can be heaven and life can be hell. It only depends on you.
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WRONG. HELL IS REAL. CHRIST IS NOT WRONG.
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I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT IT IS THE MOST EXTREME IGNORANCE TO BELIEVE HELL DOESNT EXIST.
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Not ignorance. Fact. Hell is a myth concocted to keep religionists in line by those who wish to control through fear. The whole idea of it is completely anathema to what God is, which is Love. He doesn't judge, punish and torture His children at all. His mercy is all-encompassing and infinite. The only hell is the one you create for yourself if you choose to live against God and the only demons are the ones you create for yourself.

And if you want to argue about God's mercy and why He supposedly allows suffering then...first...know that God does not control our lives. He is not a puppetmaster. He only tries to guide through His inner spirit presence but makes nobody do anything nor does He make anything happen. Good or Bad. He's quite hands-off until the choice is made to work with Him. Then, and only then, will you begin to see the effects of God's presence in your life.

Secondly...Sometimes our angels do more directly influence events to steer us in a certain direction our souls may need but otherwise everything that happens in our lives and the world is our free will. They will also never directly interfere with our free will except if asked to. The matter of "Ask, and you shall receive" (what you need, not always what you want. There is a difference). Also, if God did control the world and people then we wouldn't have the shit we do now.

There's a simple saying that expresses God's way perfectly - "God will work with you, not for you". If we want God's way then we need to take the first steps and direct our lives and hearts to align with Him. Otherwise He'll just silently watch and let happen whatever your free will choices let happen.

But still know that never will you be condemned to eternal torment for indiscretions, so-called "sin", which is only learning about life and spirit and the laws of God through experience. Heaven is a real place but Hell is a place you can make by your choices only. Life can be heaven and life can be hell. It only depends on you.
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ONE MORE THING IF PAIN,, TORTURE, MURDER,RAPE, WAR EXIST, THAN YOU ARE OFF YOUR ROCKER IF YOU THINK HELL DOESNT EXIST. DENIAL OF HELL IS THE MOST NAIVE, IGNORANT KIND OF STUPIDITY.
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Jesus says to me "FORGIVE your enemies...go GOOD to those who harm or use you"

I say "I do".

I then ask Jesus..

"Jesus...what do you do with YOUR enemies...those who hate you and talk bad about you"?

Jeus says..

"I BURN THEM ALIVE FOREVER IN AN ENDLESS FIT OF RAGE AND REVENGE AND NEVER EVER FORGIVE THEM"


If Jesus asks US to forgive OUR enemies...should he not live up to his OWN teachings...and FORGIVE HIS?"

Ponder this...
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Well you're forgetting justice. God is judge, he says so. He is just, he says so. He will punish and he will take vengeance, he says so.

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

God is able to forgive and his death on the cross is an act of open forgiveness. To not accept his forgiveness is to keep ones own judgment. To not accept forgiveness is to reject it. Jesus died forgiving everyone of all their sins. Do they all want it? Who are you to keep on unforgiving who God forgives?

Thank you.
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So using your logic...if I wanted to "just" like God is..

Every time any of my children disobeyed or were naughty id have to throw them on a fire and ignore their screams.

The difference here is...at least my kids would find release in death.

Unlike Gods so called "justice" which is eternal sadistic satanic evil unmitigated RAGE and pure torture FOREVER.

The God you worhip is an ANIMAL..A VILE UNJUST BEAST.

The TRUE God would have justice.

But the punichment would be meted out to the degree of the crime.

Mercy triumphs over judgment Gd said.

Or did he lie about that as well?

God is ALL KNOWING is he not?

He is Alpha and omega...he not only KNKWS the future...HE DWELLS there.

He is omnipotent..in ALL.PLACES AT ALL TIMES.

So...read on and THINK.

GOD planted the tree in the garden...he made it look good and tempting...he created the serpent...he let the serpent in..knowing what its mission was.

HE KNEW that adam and eve did not know good or evil..they did not know what sin was.

BUT GOD KNEW...so he put the knowledge of evil as well as good into that tree.

when they ate of the tree..the first thing god did was prevent them eating from the tree of life...and kicked them out...why?

..because he said "they have become like one of US...knowing both good and evil"..look it up..I did..its all there.

Now...for a human to do this..would be akin to a father...building a fantastic rumpus room for his two toddlers..a boy and girl..and telling them they can play with any toy they liked...except for the big shiny one in the middle of the room..which he had rigged with poison gas..and a big shiny red button that had a lolly dispenser attached to it..that also released the gas. Now..being toddlers they would have no clue what daddy meant when he said touch that toy and you die..as they have no idea what death is..being innocent. But it gets worse...daddy has an acquaintance who is wily and crafty...sees him coming and lets him walk right in and tell the kids to get the lollies.

thats what god did..so he planned it..cause if he didnt he is a cruel irresponsible prick..and if he planned it..he is an utter and total asshole who is directly responsible for what happened.

If an earthly father did this to his kids hed be executed and hated.

god does it and we are supposed to worship him for it?

The whole thing was set up to fall...why?
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IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOU THINK ITS UNFAIR OR CRUEL.


HELL EXISTS. HOW CAN ANYONE READ SCRIPTURE AND BELIEVE OTHERWISE?
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IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOU THINK ITS UNFAIR OR CRUEL.


HELL EXISTS. HOW CAN ANYONE READ SCRIPTURE AND BELIEVE OTHERWISE?
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Because its NOT IN scripture. Its only in bibles written since king james...a mason...got it written.

But no one takes the time to RESEARCH.

They would rather beleive THE LIE.

The darkest most evil lie EVER TOLD about God.

And why do they so vehemently cling to it?

Makes them feel SPECIAL...appeals to their FLESH..and makes them arrogant and cruel towards other.

Uncaring and hate filled.

Look at some of the replies by op.

Swearing..cursing..wishing hell and agony on people...smugly laughing at them.

Its ao OBVIOUSLY SATANIC in origin only the BLIND cannot see it for what it is.

And they ARE blind.

And evil.

Just like the pharisees...so certain they are right.

If Jesus came to earth again as a human...the hell crowd would be the ones baying for his death again.

Down through the ages the same demon operates through them.

Jezebel...and DEATH.
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KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL DOES NOT MAKE YOU A GOOD OR EVIL PERSON. IT IS WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO DO WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. ADAM AND EVE ARE IN HEAVEN AND THEY WERE HAPPY TO KNOW THE PURPOSE OF WHY THEY COULDNT EAT FROM THE TREE. EVEN AFTER THEY SUFFERED BEING HUMAN AND BEING KICKED OUT THE GARDEN.
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IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOU THINK ITS UNFAIR OR CRUEL.


HELL EXISTS. HOW CAN ANYONE READ SCRIPTURE AND BELIEVE OTHERWISE?
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Because its NOT IN scripture. Its only in bibles written since king james...a mason...got it written.

But no one takes the time to RESEARCH.

They would rather beleive THE LIE.

The darkest most evil lie EVER TOLD about God.

And why do they so vehemently cling to it?

Makes them feel SPECIAL...appeals to their FLESH..and makes them arrogant and cruel towards other.

Uncaring and hate filled.

Look at some of the replies by op.

Swearing..cursing..wishing hell and agony on people...smugly laughing at them.

Its ao OBVIOUSLY SATANIC in origin only the BLIND cannot see it for what it is.

And they ARE blind.

And evil.

Just like the pharisees...so certain they are right.

If Jesus came to earth again as a human...the hell crowd would be the ones baying for his death again.

Down through the ages the same demon operates through them.

Jezebel...and DEATH.
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HELL EXISTS. MASONS DIDNT HAVE TO EDIT IT OUT OF SCRIPTURE CUZ THEY ALREADY KNOW HOW NAIVE AND IGNORANT IT WOULD MAKE PEOPLE LIKE YOU REACT TO ITS EXISTENCE.
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EVEN BUDDHISTS BELIEVE IN A HELL. NOT SURE ANOUT HINDUS. BUT TO DENY HADES IS SUCH A HARSHLY IGNORANT THING TO DO.
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SAYING THE KING JAMES VERSION OF THE BIBLE IS THE ONLY BIBLE TO MENTION HELL MEANS YOU HAVENT READ EVERY OTHER BIBLE.
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EVEN OLD TESTAMENT AND NEW TESTAMENT APOCRYPHA GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT HELL. DEMONS AND SATAN EXIST AND ITS NO COINCIDENCE THAT THERE IS MOLTEN UNDER THE EARTH.
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Lots of thoughts on this, but a few things always come to mind:

1. The video says that Jesus claims he has done every he can to let us know, but this is so false.

2000 years ago he came to a small group of people in middle east, in human form, and only a very few people got to actually see anything that would be proof he was not human, the rest had hear it third-hand from humans (and we all know how much bs humans concoct)

And the rest of the world, for centuries still had to go direct to hell because God didn't bother to notify them until Christians missionaries got there (who proceeded to send people to hell at record pace thanks to disease and mass genocide brought by Europeans).

If God really wanted to be sure we got the message, why doesn't he gift everyone this vision, why doesn't a huge face appear in the sky everyday saying "remember everyone, check out a hottie and go straight to the pit, have a nice day!"

Or appear as an obvious apparition to each family at the birth of each child and explain it to them (and not some bs like "sending a preacher as his messenger", cos how can we tell if the preacher is bs'ing or not).

That would be letting us know with everything at his disposal, in reality, its more like the below...


2. The problem with the whole "its ok cos the bible tells you so" is in reality it can be likened to the following (and the same applies to being here for your soul to learn a lesson, this reality is a prison for souls, etc given we don't remember what lesson/etc we want to learn) :

You take your kid to a building one day, tell him nothing, just suddenly drive him there and drop him off, the building is full of books with all religions and myths of the world in a random pile, plus there is a playground and a pile of toys.

Come back in the evening, and ask him: "so did u learn the religion/lesson/etc that I wanted you to?", if he did not (most likely as he had no clue he was even supposed to learn), you as a parent would then be ok burning and torturing your child for the rest of his life, as he deserves it?

Because that's basically what we are saying here, expect in my example your kid has the advantage of knowing you as the father/parent exist, which we don't know for a fact here (its faith not fact).


3. Is it not the case from the bible that Satan was originally an angel, and rebelled against God, i.e Satan disobeyed and does his own thing?

So, a human does whatever is required to get sent to hell (which seems to be the default path actually), where he is tortured by Satan and his demons forever.

But wait, if God commands that Satan/demons torture humans, then that means the Satan is in fact still Gods bitch, and obeying Gods commands?

Surely if Satan rebelled, then in fact when humans get to hell he would refrain from torturing them simply to piss God off, sure he hates humans but why is he obeying God?

That doesn't make any sense?


4. If there is hell and our souls burn forever, this contradicts a primary part of Christian believe.

AFAIK, according to the bible, there is only 1 God, and he is the most supreme, alpha and omega, i.e there is nothing beyond or more powerful than him.

So, if we do any of the things on this seemingly random list of vices (many of which make sense only in this human reality), we burn forever because sin is abominable to God, and he cannot be in its presence.

But, if God is the most powerful entity he could simply change the "rules" to automatically "forgive" any sin and allow everyone into heaven (as he could create/refactor reality to behave any way he wants)

If he is unable to do this (which it appears he is from the video), therefore he must be bound by a higher power, and therefore not only is there more than one god, this god is likely quite low on the power hierarchy, negating much of Christian believe/bible.

This creates a paradox in a sense, either God is actually "a god", or he actually wants you to burn in hell, i.e a psychopath not a loving deity.
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Jesus blesses you.

1
In Jesus's time the world knew that the God of the J-ws was the true God and God of mighty miracles. Here, the J-ws, commanded not to bear false witness, testify of the man-God Jesus Christ. The scriptures testified that God would become a man and Jesus fulfilled it. We have their testimony. Jesus himself says blessed are they who believe WITHOUT seeing. Do you believe the report?

The middle east had many apostles sent preaching and showing signs and wonders by faith in Jesus. They rejected the apostles' message thereby cursing themselves.

You say why not there be signs?

St. Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
St. Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

St. Matthew 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

St. Matthew 11:5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

Are those not good enough signs for you?

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If you read the word of God you will know what you ought to know.

You have the advantage of know who your Heavenly Father God is. Jesus.

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Yes. And correct, hell is the default path. See here:
St. John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Yes, Satan is God's bitch. God does not command Satan to torture humans, he allows them to, but humans allow them to by their own choices. Spiritual evil is darkness. God is likened to light. If you have the light (God), then how can darkness touch you?

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

The bible says people in hell are in torments. It does not say they are actively tortured. Suffering is torture when someone can do something about it, though. But God being just, though he is able to do something about it, will not because he is fair. If he did it for 1 he would do it for all. People in hell are reliving all their choices as one does in prison, hell is spiritual prison. If there be any in hell who can stand to torture others while not yet being tortured themselves well, I suppose, it's no different than in prisons on earth.

Satan has those in hell in his basket. While he is everywhere there is a soul, he is concerned with spiting God and corrupting living souls. You'd have to understand just how psychopathic and seething with evil his heart really is, even though he can present himself as an angel of goodness and deceive with calm words, even speak truth. He is like God but the equal opposite, very evil as some people are. I hope you never have to encounter the really evil ones.

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Souls do not burn forever, they cease to exist:
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

God can do anything but he didn't create law and order and establish morality just to be a tyrant. I believe people in hell can be cast into the lake of fire right now, I know demons can, not sure about people in hell. Want me to pray that Jesus send them there so they are put out of their misery?
Jesus Christ is God. Read the Holy Bible, keep his commandments, obey all of his commands, save your soul.
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If your loved ones are actually in hell and you go there too you will never see them there.

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The pope said there's no such thing as hell.
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He's the vicar of Satan.
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EVEN IF OP IS A DARK SATANIST WHO CURSES AND LAUGHS AT PEOPLE GOING TO HELL, YOU ARE OF THE MOST IGNORANT AND NAIVE TO THINK HELL DOESNT EXIST. MAYBE OP DID SOMETHING HEINOUS AND DOESNT CARE IF HIS SOUL ENDS UP IN HELL...REGARDLESS OF WHO SAYS WHAT OR DOES WHAT OR INTENDS WHAT, DONT GO THROUGH LIFE THINKING HADES DOESNT NOT EXIST.

THIS ISNT TO LOOK DOWN ON YOU OR EVIL INTENTION. LIKE I SAID EARLIER, IT DOESNT MATTER HOW UNFAIR OR CRUEL YOU THINK HELL IS, HELL EXISTS.
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If your loved ones are actually in hell and you go there too you will never see them there.

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God Jesus the Saviour of the world
Blessed are they that put their trust in him
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I have a problem with tales of a man who walks on water and flies on a cloud.They might want to step back and examine their indoctrination in this tale. The dreams of someone regarding any aspect of the myth is not of any worth. Other than repeating certain claims of the myth, think.
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Did you take your blue pill this morning? Again?!

You are a natural man, simple, not one who considers deep things, such as the nature of the universe, how that everything has a place and purpose, and that everything is logical and not random and bound by physical laws and through cause and effect makes sense. And that the universe shows no signs of chance or randomness or chaos, and that it's coming into being was none of those things. To conclude that there was an intelligent power that made something from nothing and gave life and consciousness to matter.

If you had meditated on some things like that you would realize that there is a God, and that God who has a personality of it's own and can be known, became Jesus as he had promised that we may know him.
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Odd you attach belief to one tale of a god and reject other tales of other gods. Some how that makes you a greater mind as to the universe. You made a choice to believe this god tale, period. You have belief based on? A book? Some deep personal feeling? I have deep personal feelings for my wife,children,friends and you can meet them. Supernatural beings may well exsist, but there is no evidence except asscertions. Santa may be real but never came to your house. If a man/god can walk on water, fly away etc., certainly reindeer can fly. Prove Santa's dont. I dont claim your god doesnt exsist, or the hundreds of others, I just see no proof. Absent some proof I decline belief in a claim. You like billions of others choose to believe in one of the many gods available. It doesn't require pills to withold belief. Perhaps a bit more understanding on the known vs the unknown. However, man hates to say "I don't know' to questions he can't answer. God(s) have been the traditional explanation. Neptune,Thor,Mercury etc., until knowledge answered the question correctly. Sadly human sacrifice to appease a wrong or satisfy a god was adopted by some sects. Yours included. If that makes my view less wordly than yours, gladly guility. Kill your son is woven into the promise of immortality of christian theology. You embrace it, I'll pass.
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When I was a Hindu I was a proselyte.

Look at the passion I had, same as I still have!
Thread: Sathya Sai Baba to return to the world stage soon or around this time next year, 2014

I believed in other gods but only 1 proved himself. Jesus!
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EVEN OLD TESTAMENT AND NEW TESTAMENT APOCRYPHA GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT HELL. DEMONS AND SATAN EXIST AND ITS NO COINCIDENCE THAT THERE IS MOLTEN UNDER THE EARTH.
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Triggered.

Just like any pharisee would be.

So explain this.

Satan is a liar right?

All he does and all he CAN do is LIE...right?

Jesus said there is "NO TRUTH IN HIM...HE WAS A LIAR FROM THE BEGINNING"..right?

Im sure you read that.

So...IF satan is a TOTAL LIAR....why did EVERY PAGAN RELIGION TEACH HELL IF THEIR GOD WAS SATAN?

OBVIOUSLY they were LIES TOO.

Take black metal bands for example...they OPENLY WORSHIP SATAN AS LORD...you have to agree there too right?

If EVERY WORD THEY SING IS A SATANIC LIE...AS IT WOULD BE CONDIDERING WHO THEIR INSPIRATION IS....THEN ARE THEY ALSO LYING WHEN THEY SING ABOUT AND GLORIFY HELL??

NOW...if satan has NO TRUTH IN HIM...every word he EVER SAID ABOUT HELL TO THE PAGAN RELIGIONS AND THE SATANIST METAL BANDS...IS...A...LIE.

To blacken GIDS NAME.

Cause if I was a demon...TEACHING AND PREACHING HELL...THAT GOD MADE IT AND USES IT TO TORTURE TRILLIONS...WOULD BE THE VERY FIRST AND LAST LIE I WOULD TELL...CAUSE IT HITS ALL OVER GODS NAME...HIS LOVE...HIS CHARACTER.

And demons as you knkw LOVE to accuse others of what THEY DO THEMSELVES.

The libs are a top examlle.of this.

Now TRY THINKING FOR ONCE.





GLP