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Peggy Noonan Reminds Us Why Trump Won

 
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The NeverTrumpers' fundamental error.

Three years after outsider Donald Trump blew up the political world with his implausible victory over the consummate insider, Hillary Clinton, many establishment Republicans still don’t get it. From their elite cocoon, they continue to indulge the hauteur that put off ordinary voters who had grown tired of a fossilized political class that serially ignored their interests, and seemed more concerned with their own insider perks and privilege, rather than in repairing the damage that decades of bipartisan progressive technocracy had inflicted on the Constitutional order.

The grande dame of the disgruntled NeverTrump Republicans has been the Wall Street Journal’s Peggy Noonan, whose columns on Trump usually sound like a mash-up of the prescriptions of Emily Post and a snobbery redolent of Lady Violet Crawley from Downton Abbey.

Noonan’s latest is an attack on the Republicans’ behavior during the House impeachment hearings, coupled with a scolding of the anonymous author of the anti-Trump book A Warning. We should credit her takedown of “anonymous” as “self-valorous and creepy.” But her comments about the Republicans reveal the underlying grounds for NeverTrump hatred: the resentment against those who don’t accept the progressive assumptions that politics is the business of a self-proclaimed guild possessing knowledge, techniques, and professional manners and decorum that the voting masses don’t have.

As typical of a Noonan column, she starts with some sly preening of her insider-status as a wise political guru: “A young foreign-affairs professional asked last week if the coming impeachment didn’t feel like Watergate.” Unlike hoi polloi, Noonan knows “foreign-affairs professionals,” and they seek her out for her wisdom. She then proceeds to contrast the “dignity and professionalism of the career diplomats” whom the Democrats––“disciplined in their questioning and not bullying and theatrical”––called on to testify, with the Republicans’ “interruptions and chaos-strewing” that she compares to “some of what the Democrats did during the Kavanaugh hearings.”

We see here the NeverTrumper’s fundamental error: prizing sizzle over steak, words over deeds, appearance over reality. And, as usual with NeverTrumpers, she indulges an egregiously false comparison. The Kavanaugh hearings were a contrived political stunt constructed from preposterous charges from long ago, with no direct corroborating evidence to support them, but an abundance of evidence casting them in doubt. The current House hearings are yet another Democrat political stunt, made up of witnesses who are recycling office gossip with varying degrees of separation from the originals, the contents of which are mainly subjective opinions or feelings that have no relevance for establishing facts.

Consider this example from the testimony of acting ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor–– which the mainstream press hyped as a “bombshell,” and whom Noon praises as an exemplar of professionalism––as summarized by David Marcus in the New York Post: “He said David Holmes, a counselor for political affairs at the US embassy in Kiev, told him that he had overheard a phone conversation between Ambassador Gordon Sondland and President Trump.” In what courtroom other than the old Soviet Union or Cuba today would this twice-removed hearsay be admitted?

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I want this Donald Trump issue fixed within the hour.
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Peggy Noonan was a speechwriter for Ronald Reagan
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I want this Donald Trump issue fixed within the hour.
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I want this Donald Trump issue fixed within the hour.
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I want this Donald Trump issue fixed within the hour.
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unpickled?
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Consider this example from the testimony of acting ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor–– which the mainstream press hyped as a “bombshell,” and whom Noon praises as an exemplar of professionalism––as summarized by David Marcus in the New York Post: “He said David Holmes, a counselor for political affairs at the US embassy in Kiev, told him that he had overheard a phone conversation between Ambassador Gordon Sondland and President Trump.” In what courtroom other than the old Soviet Union or Cuba today would this twice-removed hearsay be admitted?

in Washington of the libs?
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I want this Donald Trump issue fixed within the hour.
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unpickled?
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bfbeepickle
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tastes better dipped in nostalgia, Barney?

bet it does
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The comment below the article are excellent!

(snip) from OP's link

..."Rick McHale:
Yes, excellent work. The criticisms can be distilled down into one word, arrogance. Democrats, liberals and leftists have completely underestimated President Trump's abilities and continue to do so, hopefully, right on through the 2020 election. Their arrogant dismissals, of virtually anyone who disagrees with their increasingly insane beliefs, will be their downfall, irregardless of which candidate eventually wins their nomination.


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El Cid:

I would add, that there is a lot of 'dead wood' in the foreign service and the intelligence service. There are bureaucracies that exist only to serve their own interests.

This can be deduced from the first rule of Organizational Development, namely, if illegitimate power exists, it WILL be abused (note: Not COULD, but WILL).

Besides the control of insider information and informal power relationships, the source of illegitimate power relates to lack of accountability, no one getting fired for cause, and people being promoted for being there long enough. They are free to dabble in partisan politics with no consequences.

It was reported that Gen. Flynn planned to call for the resignations and letters from each of the heads of departments in the intelligence agencies explaining what they do and why they should continue doing it. (No wonder they put him in jail.)

My professional opinion is that 80 percent could be fired for cause with no impact on the function of the government except to make it more efficient, and potentially under the right leadership, more effective.

If Trump is re-elected, I would like Flynn in place, and I would like to see 1000 people fired for cause a week, while their access to mediation is slow walked until their assets are depleted."...


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I agree with those who say a landslide for President Trump is inevitable

that will be the real vote

what is counted, that may vary

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I will not even mention what my plans are for the Steve and Peggy situation.

There will be donkeys involved.

And handcuffs.
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Re: Peggy Noonan Reminds Us Why Trump Won
The comment below the article are excellent!

(snip) from OP's link

..."Rick McHale:
Yes, excellent work. The criticisms can be distilled down into one word, arrogance. Democrats, liberals and leftists have completely underestimated President Trump's abilities and continue to do so, hopefully, right on through the 2020 election. Their arrogant dismissals, of virtually anyone who disagrees with their increasingly insane beliefs, will be their downfall, irregardless of which candidate eventually wins their nomination.


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El Cid:

I would add, that there is a lot of 'dead wood' in the foreign service and the intelligence service. There are bureaucracies that exist only to serve their own interests.

This can be deduced from the first rule of Organizational Development, namely, if illegitimate power exists, it WILL be abused (note: Not COULD, but WILL).

Besides the control of insider information and informal power relationships, the source of illegitimate power relates to lack of accountability, no one getting fired for cause, and people being promoted for being there long enough. They are free to dabble in partisan politics with no consequences.

It was reported that Gen. Flynn planned to call for the resignations and letters from each of the heads of departments in the intelligence agencies explaining what they do and why they should continue doing it. (No wonder they put him in jail.)

My professional opinion is that 80 percent could be fired for cause with no impact on the function of the government except to make it more efficient, and potentially under the right leadership, more effective.

If Trump is re-elected, I would like Flynn in place, and I would like to see 1000 people fired for cause a week, while their access to mediation is slow walked until their assets are depleted."...


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only quibble !
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I will not even mention what my plans are for the Steve and Peggy situation.

There will be donkeys involved.

And handcuffs.
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I will not even mention what my plans are for the Steve and Peggy situation.

There will be donkeys involved.

And handcuffs.
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We see here the NeverTrumper’s fundamental error: prizing sizzle over steak, words over deeds, appearance over reality.
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That's too vague a description of what fuels such people like Noonan. In a nutshell, they're more idiotically liberal/leftwing than they want to admit to or realize.

To spend any time bitching about people who are mainly socially, politically conservative, while being passive towards people of the left - particularly in today's America - is similar to a teacher scolding a student for showing up to school 2 minutes late while ignoring all her students in the corner of her classroom who are doing drugs and having sex.

No, Peggy, your "kinder, gentler" conservatism is mainly meaner, harder liberalism.

Being kind to the cruel (the leftwing) and cruel to the kind (sane, humane Americans) is non-compassionate. Which is what you are, Noonan.


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We see here the NeverTrumper’s fundamental error: prizing sizzle over steak, words over deeds, appearance over reality.
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That's too vague a description of what fuels such people like Noonan. In a nutshell, they're more idiotically liberal/leftwing than they want to admit to or realize.

To spend any time bitching about people who are mainly socially, politically conservative, while being passive towards people of the left - particularly in today's America - is similar to a teacher scolding a student for showing up to school 2 minutes late while ignoring all her students in the corner of her classroom who are doing drugs and having sex.

No, Peggy, your "kinder, gentler" conservatism is mainly meaner, harder liberalism.

Being kind to the cruel (the leftwing) and cruel to the kind (sane, humane Americans) is non-compassionate. Which is what you are, Noonan.


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Peggy Noonan is an old prune let out in the sun too long.....

stanky too...
Ask Alice when she's 10ft tall

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