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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2590977 United States 11/29/2019 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Teaching the basics of music used to be standard in society other countries still do this. Most people don’t know how to put chords together or write a melody any longer. They don’t understand how music works at all. Quoting: Geraldgar On top of that throw in all the automation for fixing pitchy vocals and harmonic effects you don’t even realize you are listening to completely digitized production basically all sounds like robots fucking. People need to get back to the roots and understand music in its raw form and make music from the heart. frankly i disagree. I like older style music but i like newer electronic music too you can only do so much with regular instruments and what they are doing with electronics is way beyond anything we've heard before you should try opening your mind and checking it out Im not against electronic instruments. Im saying automation in post production has made it too easy to clean up a shitty sound and make a song more resonant than it is and it comes out washed out. People don’t know why. However your comment on there being only so much you can do with regular instruments is false. People spent their whole lives uncovering what an instrument can do and how to improve. Music theory is never ending in itself. Rhythm all the components are infinite. Now electronics are programmed and finite so yes there would be some limitations there. But this is my point you are disagreeing with me but you know nothing about music theory or harmony do you. actually when it comes to musical theory, little knowledge is a dangerous thing ... the academic musical theory is based on so called "standard practice" referring to Western written music maybe from 1750 - 1900 and it really doesn't apply to popular genres ... or various ethnic musics The Beatle guys didn't read notation ... and they broke the rule book when it came to harmony and chord progression creating totally novel music ... they used their intuition, ears, natural talent ... Im not getting into this argument I already know about the history of music theory. It is extremely helpful in understanding how to write and improvise music. The Beatles guy which Beatles guy you sound like a child. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2590977 United States 11/29/2019 12:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | circle of fifths is the just the Common Practice theory that i erroneously called Standard Practice above ... it just doesn't apply but only to a small subsection of possible musics This is why right here because there is always some asshole like you telling people you don’t need to learn anything to make music. |
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Neil WeakLegs User ID: 54097234 United States 11/29/2019 12:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | .... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70971451 The Beatle guys didn't read notation ... and they broke the rule book when it came to harmony and chord progression creating totally novel music ... they used their intuition, ears, natural talent ... I don't think that The Beatles actually did anything new musically. (I am not talking about gimmicks like backwards tape loops on "Tomorrow Never Knows" but actual melodic/harmonic structure.) They were different from the 1950's "doo-wop", "R&B", etc, but if you look at some of the hymns written 100 years ago, they have similar "unexpected" or "innovative" chord changes as some of The Beatles songs. Example: "Oh Little Town of Bethlehem" and "It Came Upon a Midnight Clear". |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78183288 United States 11/29/2019 12:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm a millennial and I wonder the same thing. Generally only listen to stuff from the 90's/early 00's and before that. I admit I'm bad at music as well. My mind had always been more analytical than creative. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71604035 Just as I said above. It is not your fault. You all grew up with A.I . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71604035 United States 11/29/2019 12:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm a millennial and I wonder the same thing. Generally only listen to stuff from the 90's/early 00's and before that. I admit I'm bad at music as well. My mind had always been more analytical than creative. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71604035 Just as I said above. It is not your fault. You all grew up with A.I . I don't know if it would have mattered for me personally. People have brains that re wired differently. I'm just not good music lol or the arts for that matter. My mind has always been more geared towards math and science. Hence I became a scientist.. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72581590 United States 11/29/2019 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As in most things, all generations of musicians pretty much sucked. Only the best will survive to influenza the next generation of musicians. Some rock kids I know are absolutely jaw dropping players, because they took the time to master the past techniques and improve upon them. Everyone else is playing catch up... So for every Jacko Pastorius there are a dozen Rudi Sarzos |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2590977 United States 11/29/2019 04:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As in most things, all generations of musicians pretty much sucked. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72581590 Only the best will survive to influenza the next generation of musicians. Some rock kids I know are absolutely jaw dropping players, because they took the time to master the past techniques and improve upon them. Everyone else is playing catch up... So for every Jacko Pastorius there are a dozen Rudi Sarzos Wow don’t be a fool. This pop crap is worse than it’s ever been. There are countless hits from 60s 70s 80s 90s that see timeless you can listen to over and over and suddenly since year 2000 can you name a single timeless hit? This isn’t about a genius bass player like Jacko that can play beebop. This is about the entire music industry giving up because of the Internet |
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Reilly User ID: 76764551 United States 11/29/2019 04:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who runs the record companies? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28925333 Boomers. Who produces the music? Boomers. Who wanted cheap, mass produced, crossover genre music and computerized voice correction with computer generated arrangements in order to maximize profits? Boomers. Music in the "pop" format is most definitely a 20th century thing. Mass produced... radio... MTV.... etc. A total 20th century phenomenon. You have to look at the times, really. Where technology is heading.... what it allows us to do. |
Reilly User ID: 76764551 United States 11/29/2019 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pop music is so 20th century, that's why. Quoting: Reilly 76764551 Pop music excelled in the 80's. If you want to see where music is heading...... look at where technology is heading. AI : l I have come to find that at certain points in history....... things really "click". Where all aspects of culture, society, tech have developed far enough... as to really give way to a great works of art/music. That happened in the 80's. I consider now to be a kind of "development" period..... You have to look at the "forefront" technology to see where it's heading. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28925333 United States 11/29/2019 06:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hmmm.... IMHO it's all down to bean counting. They've been computer generating the beats since the early 90s but they still needed real people to perform the rest of it convincingly. See: Milli Vanilli In the mid 90s when autotune became a thing. (Yes, mid-90s. I know T-pain is often credited, but autotune was happening way back with Eiffel 65, Cher, and Daft Punk, Britney Spears) The record companies stopped searching for actual musical talent and started looking for models who could dance instead. They've slowly killed off touring and made awful electronically tuned voices acceptable so no need to perform anywhere that's not a controlled environment. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78209994 United States 11/30/2019 02:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bad nutritionless food, Fluoride, chemtrails, toxins in perfumes and colognes, plug-in "air fresheners" (formaldehyde), endocrine hormonal disruptors, and about a hundred other things. It all adds up to a low IQ, and thus lowered creativity. Most of the "geniuses" working in Semi Valley, etc... are simply building on and modifying existing technology. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77319407 United States 11/30/2019 02:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because American radio make older music obsolete, you’ll find other countries still playing older music in between the new stuff, in the US if you’re more than a few months to a year and beyond your music has made it to the grave. So then the younger population will always start from zero, it’s like depending on public education to do all the work ...: of parents are filling the gaps from missing music in radio.....they will develop what looks like a distorted sense of music. Musicality is hardly existent in youth music today. Makes me wonder what they have for ears at times. And they get soooo ecstatic when they hear a tiny bit of melody that made its way into their music when previous generations have songs have meolodies to no end, |
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User ID: 72716118 United States 11/30/2019 04:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who runs the record companies? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28925333 Boomers. Who produces the music? Boomers. Who wanted cheap, mass produced, crossover genre music and computerized voice correction with computer generated arrangements in order to maximize profits? Boomers. he's not wrong, you know. Piercing my heart there is a golden dagger; that is God Piercing God's heart there is a golden needle; that is me |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73398970 United States 11/30/2019 04:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most people suck at music, let's be honest. It's not easy to do. Rock music is about completely dead because the record companies figured out it's a hell of a lot more profitable to sign rappers and hip hoppers who either produce their own beats or pay someone else to ghost produce for them. Same with EDM. Why did this happen? A couple of reasons: Napster, Limewire, and online streaming killed record sales and the art of making an actual album. Now it's all about singles and digital ( shit ) media. This scared the shit out of record labels who were actually signing good acts they believed in. Most of the labels stopped taking risks and now only bet on the sure thing. That means it doesn't matter if the label likes or believes in your music, as long as you have a following they can sell to they don't give a fuck. That means 90% of the pet projects ( aka the actual good stuff that never got popular ) is now gone from major labels. No offense to anyone in those genres (EDM/hip hop), but it's a lot fucking cheaper to do that than to fork over money to record an entire band and all the hoopla that goes into getting them on the road. Sure the hip hoppers and EDM'er have eloborate light shows, but it's so much easier ( and cheaper ) to take care of few people doing all the work than dozens getting one act together. Also, music making is now accessible to the normie idiot now. Just buy a DAW and make a beat. Look, you're an artist and producer now! Go you! But seriously, most of it fucking sucks. I know a few good local producers in the EDM scene, but finding good ones is rare. All the good music is mostly underground. Not going to find a lot of good stuff on the radio nowadays. Just the way the music industry is now. |