Christians tell me Jesus died for my sins. Why? Why God would you die for me? I am filthy wrags. I don’t deserve such a thing.

You are the reason for Jesus.

Jesus didn't die for just us he died for all creation that exists through out galaxies and beyond. This earth was the point where it all began, like a wave going around all creation that exist through everything that has been created from ages and ages till now. Why do you think this world. This little eart is so famous in creation. It is the place that God took form and died and resurrected. This little planet is famous. And all creation is wondering what happens next.

"Thanks for posting scripture. I never ever said I am without sin . All I said was Jesus did tell us to be Perfect. It is not out of context. But of course one wouldn’t flaunt this. If they did they wouldn’t be perfect. It isn’t for ego or self purpose it’s for God. To glorify him in all things, every second of the way."


Yes... You did take it out of context. But relax. Most people take many things of scripture out of context. I was not chastising or insulting you.

That being said...

Do you know the ONE way to be "perfect" like your heavenly Father is perfect?

By accepting and having faith in His Son, who is the ONLY human being to ever lead a perfect life on this earth.

I would be WRONG if I told you that you will need to be "perfect" (in that fallen flesh) in order to be saved.

Because even Christ HIMSELF knew that NOBODY has been, or ever WILL be perfect, until we are transformed in the twinkling of an eye, and this corruptible body puts on incorruption, at the 2nsd Coming of Christ.

But hey, if you actually think that you can (and will) be perfect APART from faith in Christ, then you are still living in the flesh. And COUNTING on the flesh, to save yourself.

But I tell you this out of love and concern, so that when you do it, you will see that I was NOT lying to you.

You WILL sin again. And again. Just like paul did, AFTER he was saved.

Again, if you reach a point where you claim to be without sin, you will have become a liar.

I never SAID that you claimed to be without sin. I told you to be VERY careful about making sure that you do not ever BECOME someone who claims that they've "made it", and are living without sin.

You managed to even take my warning out of context.

Not so.

As far as mankind knows, earth is the ONLY place where sin exists, as it is the ONLY place where the enemy (and original sinner) was cast and confined.

I'm not trying to be insulting or provocative, but what (exactly) makes people like you just pull stuff from their behinds, and present it as "fact"? And even do it in an "authoritative" way?

This stuff is inspired by demons, and are doctrines of devils.

I am listening to this as I find your thread. I hope it gives you inspiration.

Schooling in progress lol

I agree serving others is a very compassionate and loving thing to do. Also encouraging others and inspiring others and leading them to truth is also important .

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Ransom theory of atonement

Essentially, this theory claimed that Adam and Eve sold humanity over to the Devil at the time of the Fall; hence, it required that God pay the Devil a ransom to free us from the Devil's clutches. God, however, tricked the Devil into accepting Christ's death as a ransom, for the Devil did not realize that Christ could not be held in the bonds of death. Once the Devil accepted Christ's death as a ransom, this theory concluded, justice was satisfied and God was able to free us from Satan's grip.

Why the fuck would a God have to die to save anyone? HE'S GOD FFS. What would he be saving us from anyways. Himself?? It takes about 2 seconds of thought to understand why this is stupid. Use your brian moran. God gave it to you for a reason. Whatever that thing in the Bible is it is no god.

died for your sins, but another meaning for the word for is because of.

He did it because he loves you.
1 Corinthians 13:4-8

John 20:27-29: “Then He said to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.’ Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are
those who have not seen and yet have believed


Matthew 1:23 - The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"—which means, "God with us"

John 10:30-33: “‘I and the Father are one

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Jesus died to save us from our sins that lead to eternal damnation. Our lives bought with his own blood. Because he loves us.
Romans 4:25
who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification

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"I have said, ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. -- Psalms 82:6

Is it not written in your law, I said, "Ye are gods"? -- John 10:34

God reveals His holy attributes of mercy, love, and forgiveness when He saves sinners. He pays the price that wretched beings deserve so that they can live and know He loves them. Praise God that He saves sinners!

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God would be an unjust judge if He just let sinners go without just penalty. What would we call a judge that just lets a murderer or rapist go on a whim? We'd rightfully call him unjust. God is not unjust and the penalty of sin must be paid. God paid for the sins of His people on the Cross.

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Have you read the prayer to begin following the Christ? I would suggest you going to a church, conservative Biblical church. And try to find some Christian friends. I pray for you to find them and that God would answer to you some way. Keep knocking, despite the silence, some day God will answer you. Be patient.

For someone to say that what I have stated is doctrines of devils and demons is foolish. Have I denied Jesus Christ or our Heavenly Father or the Holy spirit? No I have not. Many people are superficial and only see the cover of the book. But the Lord says if you seek you will find and be amazed. I have sought and I have found and I am amazed. That is why I can speak with authority. And claim what I have stated. So no not doctrines of devils as you claim. I just have a deeper comprehension of what has taken place. Not stuck in a box. But I see the bigger picture. Of what Jesus Christ did on that cross. It was for all creation not just us.

Jesus was SACRIFICED on our behalf. He was THE sacrificial lamb for the sins of the world.

Depends on what things you label as sins. Some ‘sins’ are inconsequential but simply a way to make you feel guilty about everything you do and not give you any credit where due. ‘No one is good except God’ is another one.

So you don't have to die too! You can do what you need to do, without they threat of death for it! Recognize!

OP, I've read a few of your posts on this thread, and it appears that some of your confusion lies in the fact that, for the believer in Christ, there are two men: the inner (sinless man) Jesus, and our outer, fleshly man, SELF. Romans 7:22, Ephesians 3:16, 2Corinthians 4:16.

That is why Jesus says that we must take up our cross "daily" and follow Him...we crucify the flesh, outward man, on a daily basis. This is only possible if we belong to God through Christ because only He can make us stand. Romans 14:4.

It may comfort you to know that there is NOTHING that you or any of us can do to "get" into Heaven. "by the deeds of the law shall no flesh be justified..." Romans 3:20

Rather we are justified by faith in Christ. Galatians 2:16.

And can we, of our own volition, come to Christ? The Word of God says no.

No man can come to Jesus unless the Father "drags" them. John 6:44

"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."

that word "draw" is the Greek word, helko, which means to drag off. It's the same word used in John 21:6 where they were not able to "draw" the net for the multitude of fishes.

So keep struggling, keep repenting, and continue to seek Christ Jesus. If you belong to God, you will do these things and crucify the flesh more and more. Sometimes God uses sickness, tribulation, and even death in our lives in order to get us on track, but we WILL get on track in His time.

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Very excellent!

We should also qualify that repenting is the turning away from sin, and a change in our hearts, minds and lives to sin no more.

Because He loves you.

You need to work on your self esteem. We're only human. Ignorance is the only sin. If Jesus forgives your sin, but you can't forgive yourself, what good is it? And, if you can forgive yourself, you don't need God's forgiveness. This Jesus crap was all designed by the Catholic Corp.

"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." -- Marcus Aurelius

"All these sufferings are man-made and it is within man's power to put an end to them. God helps by facing man with the results of his actions and demanding that the balance should be restored. Karma is the law that works for righteousness; it is the healing hand of God." -- Nisargadatta

"The Tao(God&Nature) is not humane, it treats the 10,000 creatures (of which we are merely one) as straw dogs" (ie. expendable units). -- Lao Tzu

Chapter 5 of the Tao Te Ching begins with the lines "Heaven and Earth are heartless / treating creatures like straw dogs". Su Zhe's commentary on this verse explains: "Heaven and Earth are not partial. They do not kill living things out of cruelty or give them birth out of kindness. We do the same when we make straw dogs to use in sacrifices. We dress them up and put them on the altar, but not because we love them. And when the ceremony is over, we throw them into the street, but not because we hate them."