Catholics do not pray to Mary. It's a negative stereotype and false narrative created by Baptists. I challenge Anyone!

We do not deify her. [link to www.catholic.com (secure)]

Yes, the Heretical rcc doesn't say their followers worship Mary.

However, everything the rcc and it's followers for Mary constitutes worship.
The hail Marys, the festivals, the statues, the kneeling before statues of Mary, the hymns for Mary. The co-redemption you're heretical Pope's have attributed to her constitutes Mary worship.

So, I can pray to my dead dad to help me?

Catholics only claim to know for sure that canonized saints are in Heaven. But yes you can. You probably have a decent idea about if your dad is in Heaven. Catholics also pray for the repose of the souls of the faithful departed.

Hope my tone wasn’t too aggressive or condescending. I completely understand how those things seem idolatrous to someone who doesn’t know the Catholic understanding of Mary, which is that everything about her directs us to her Son, who is the reason for her salvation just like he is ours. We do not deify her.

Mary isn't the "Mother of God".

SON OF God.

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Father God was NEVER born.

Jesus was firstborn of all creatures - you know the verse.

Luke 1

32 He shall be great, and shall be called
the Son of the Highest: and the Lord
God shall give unto him the throne of his
father David:

35 And the angel answered and said
unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come
upon thee, and the power of the Highest
shall overshadow thee: therefore also that
holy thing which shall be born of thee
shall be called the Son of God.

1. Jesus NEVER said "pray to me" NOR "worship me".
2. Jesus NEVER said "pray to the Holy Spirit" NOR "worship Holy Spirit".
3. Jesus NEVER said "pray to / worship the trinity".
4. Jesus NEVER said to pray to ANYONE other than the Father.

Mary is dead...Jesus is not. Mary means nothing...Jesus means all. I will pray to Jesus.

Fair enough but where in scripture does it say that prayer. From my understanding call me naive but I was thaught te prayer was what was revealed which is

Pray then like this: 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

Or maybe I've been mistaken. He never said to pray in a different manner or am I just a dumb ass who doesn't what he's talking about?

Not too good at following what Jesus SAID are you?

Matthew 6

9 In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name.

10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors.

13 And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Luke 11

1 And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.

2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

3 Give us day by day our daily bread.

4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

Can you show us IN SCRIPTURE.... where Jesus Yashua say to "pray to ME"?

It's ALL ABOUT the Father. EVERYTHING Yashua SAID and DID was FROM the Father.

I guess you missed those parts of scripture.

because mary needed to be saved , that makes her no greater than you and I

Maybe? Or Maybe Not? But Jesus honored her. So then, so shall I.

God honored alot of men and women throughout the Bible. But only one person deserves the honor as scripture says, God

first and for all Mary has no divinity period. Mary was a tool that was used as any every prophet or disciple of Jesus Christ. Don't pray to Marry she has no power whatsoever. In fact she humbles herself to Jesus Christ. Knowing in her heart who he was. Enough with religious bull crap. It is more tangible than religious ideology. It's a relationship not religion.

Catholics, cant truly make the claim, that a "Canonized saint is in Heaven. On God knows this. For Not all that have said Lord, Lord go to Heaven.

When Catholics have to make a thread on an internet forum to deny something that people have witnessed them do for hundreds of years....they already know they are wrong.

Hail Mary, full of grace! Right? You better go confess to the "father" in the box, instead of God or Jesus, then ask that man in the box to absolve you of your sins, as you tells you how to complete a pagan ritual full of the "divine feminine" worshiping ceremonies.

Hail Mary full of grace, she's so gracious, she'll beg Jesus to forgive you for this! Just tell the man in the box all about it first.

Up Next :

Catholic leadership really didn't molest all those boys. Most of them were liars, and some of them were girls. Catholics don't believe in homosexuality.

I eagerly await that one.

However he did say to pray "through" Him, and to ask God for things in HIS name, because......there is only one mediator between man and God, Jesus Christ.

Your connection to God comes from the holy spirit, the holy spirit was bestowed upon man because of the blood sacrifice of Jesus, so because of Jesus you have a direct connection to God that humans didn't have before Jesus was sacrificed. That connection comes because of Jesus alone, through the holy spirit.

Thinking that Mary is an intercessor or mediator to God, or anyone or anything except for Jesus, is pure blasphemy. Nothing more, nothing less. The rosary is blasphemy.

Luke 11/ vs27, 28. KJV.

27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

What Jesus said to the issue.

Which obviously includes Mary, who said to the angel Gabriel "Behold the handmaiden of the Lord. Let it be done to me according to your word." To claim that Jesus was insulting his mother here, violating one of the 10 commandments, is absurd.

So typical.

You do realize that all I did was quote scripture... not just scripture but the words of Jesus. And then I said, this is what Jesus said.

You're calling what Jesus said, "absurd"?

You can't worship like you do and then use the bible to defend it. Not if I can use it to show the error of your ways. Nope!

It’s idol worship.

This is true. Mary is dead. The dead can’t help us. Jesus said to pray to God through him only.

Those two items that I bolded tells the world why they pray to Mary - she is 'God' to them.

Yes indeed.
Did that old devil enslave through one's fear of death?

1)Matthew 14:33: And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

Matthew 28:9-10: And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.

Matthew 28:16-17: Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. 17 And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted.

Luke 24:51: While he blessed them, he parted from them and was carried up into heaven. 52 And they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy

John 9:37-38: Jesus said to him, “You have seen him, and it is he who is speaking to you.” 38 He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

Hebrews 1:6: And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

Revelation 22:3: No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him.


2) John 14:16

"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

John 14:26

"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

John 15:26

"When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me,

John 16:7

"But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.

John 16:8

"And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;



“At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, ‘I praise you, Father, lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure’” (Luke 10:21).




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19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

I don't care about what they say, I care about what they do.

In fact, in everyday life, they do pray to Mary. It's a constant for millions and millions, not some "freak accident" happening with a few people.

Since you advised me to "google it", I do the same: just google "pope praying mary" and "pope praying fatima" and then tell me what you see.

You can as well search in youtube and listen to several popes clearly praying to Mary.

Ok, testimony time. I'm a cradle Catholic. I was born and raised in the faith. I prayed, I went to mass and received the sacraments. In my early 20's I was becoming somewhat lukewarm. I did go to church, but I was beginning to miss Sunday mass, which I'm sure you're aware is a mortal sin for Catholics. Out of concern for my well being, my father confronted me about it and as a result I reconsidered going back to mass regularly, but first I wanted to pray on it. At the time I didn't have much of a prayer life, but I had heard that the rosary was a good way of getting your prayers answered so I took a step of faith and started praying the rosary. I prayed with the intention to feel a love for God because as I just mentioned, I was lukewarm. I started praying the rosary every night before bed for the intention of feeling love for God.

Two weeks later, I'm still praying it every night, but this night something special happened. I'm getting close to finishing the rosary for the night, when I feel this gentle peace come over me. I couldn't help but smile as I finished the rosary. As I finished the rosary I was suddenly filled with this incredible and beautiful love of God that I had never felt before. At the same time I felt remorse for my sins and I was sobbing with tears of joy as this was occurring. This grace from God lasted a few minutes and I distinctly remember feeling a great desire to go to Heaven and be with the lord and the saints. This love I felt was so wonderful that I really didn't mind if I had died and gone to Heaven right there and then. Once you have a taste of Heavenly love, what you experience on Earth is nothing by comparison. I did not expect it, but this was a very direct and powerful answer to my prayers. Needless to say I'm dedicated to praying the rosary these days, at least once a day if not more. The takeaway from this is that Mary is alive in Heaven and she prays for us and hears our prayers. She takes our prayer intentions to Jesus. I just wanted to share my very personal, but life changing experience with praying the rosary. Thanks for reading.

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Mary having co-operated in our redemption with so much glory to God and so much love for us, Our Lord ordained that no one shall obtain salvation except through her intercession."

- St. Alphonsus Maria de Liguori

Bringing her to the status of Christ.
Unbiblical and exactly idolatry


"To give worthy praise to the Lord's mercy, we unite ourselves with Your Immaculate Mother, for then our hymn will be more pleasing to You, because She is chosen from among men and angels. Through Her, as through a pure crystal, Your mercy was passed on to us. Through Her, man became pleasing to God; Through Her, streams of grace flowed down upon us."

- St. Faustina

Redirecting God's power to send Jesus to the world to Mary. Exactly Idolatry and worship to Mary. God alone sent Jesus.

O sinner, be not discouraged, but have recourse to Mary in all you necessities. Call her to your assistance, for such is the divine Will that she should help in every kind of necessity."

- Saint Basil the Great

Bible states that there is no other mediator between God and Man but Christ. Your Theology replaces Christ with Mary. This idolatry and worship.

Mary, give me your Heart: so beautiful, so pure, so immaculate; your Heart so full of love and humility that I may be able to receive Jesus in the Bread of Life and love Him as you love Him and serve Him in the distressing guise of the poor."

- Blessed Mother Teresa

Placing Mary as a mediator in order receive Christ. Blasphemy.


Yes. ROMAN CATHOLICA IDOLIZE AND WORSHIP MARY.AND NOT ONLY DO THAT BUT PRAY TO HER.

FLEE YHE BLASPHEMOUS ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH

Blasphemous and lies. Hindus feel peace when they do yoga. That does not mean God's grace is over them.