The truth about kratom - a must read.

Our Nanny country here doesn't even allow us to legally buy it...pfft.

I could go for a nice kratom tea right now.

Kratom is like drinking cow piss when what you really want is a fucking beer.

Thank you OP

make a tincture with your kratom. The most effective concentration distilled from raw leaf.
The alcohol used in the distillation process kills bacteria, mold and fungi.

no toss and choke ...
just pure herbal meds.
problem solved.

So what are your favorites OP?

Kratos is placebo bullshit

Alcohol does nothing to mold & fungi

You obviously didn't read the article, not even a single word of it.

Know where your kratom comes from? Did your kratom supplier use sanitary methods when processing the leaf? Did they hang the plant matter to prevent contamination from mold or other foreign particles?

Let's have a reality check.



This village is drying kratom leaves in the middle of the main road. People are walking through it barefoot. If you look closely you can spot chickens and dogs in the video. Think they trained the animals not to shit in your kratom leaves?

Kratom is an opportunity for poor 3rd world citizens to make a few dollars. These people are not educated or care about how clean the product is. They get paid by the kilo whether it's dirty or clean.

Most of these people naturally have kratom trees in their communities. Imagine if someone told you that you could rake your yard and sell the dead leaves by the pound! That is exactly what's happening here!

Here's another video of barefoot people raking kratom they're drying IN THE DIRT.



Making sure your kratom is saturated in dirt is a for sure method of maximizing profits!

There are large collection points that purchase from the public. They accept dried leaf from anyone that shows up. No proof of sanitation or responsible practices required.

They then take all these leaves they purchased from hundreds of people and run them through a grinder. This ensures a consistent potency quality control method.

After its all proceeded, it's sold to hustler for a few dollars a kilo...and they come online, make website, and network through various services with the intent to sell their product to Americans!

Don't worry though, they'll tell you the kratom was farm raised on their own farms, hand washed, string died, and tested in a lab for purity and for contaminants.

They'll all show you the same lab reports and photos of their operation for proof!

SO...

I'll ask again.

Do you know where your kratom comes from?

Doesn't surprise me one bit. Sadly i cant get my hands on Kratom the government prefers i have a suboxone addiction so big pharma can make money.

If you are concerned about the poor conditions your plant material goes through do an alakloid extraction like the one here

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thanks for the heads up OP

I should be looking into this in case I have to cut myself off Cannabis when I go into the career I'm going into, but I use Cannabis for PTSD/Bi-polar/Insomnia/Depression, and all of these are physical issues in my brain constantly, so this is one of the few things that helps, I opted for it more even after multiple medications drove me into horrificly terrifying psychosis' and all kinds of things, and eventually nearly giving me liver cancer

So I won't have anything helping me in like 2 months...

thank you for reminding me about Kratom....I hope I can actually survive the struggles this life hands me

I know heroin and cocaine come in to the USA in diplomatic cargo containers.

Guns
Oil
Drugs

Or if you are skilled enough fully extract tne Mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine.

If you do that please send some my way lol

true. i dont use it. but there are plenty of 4 year degree american companies and others that know how to do freshman chemistry extraction of alkaloids.

in fact that's actually high school chemistry to make a concentrate extract.

that video is propaganda.

while i don't doubt there are lots of shady moldy indonesian factories and other things.

come on.

this is the most basic of chemistry .

it's like making powdered black pepper..

do a lot of people die because of cheap ass black powder extract.

as i said these 'chemistry' techniques' are 1000 of years old.

what about powdered onion salt from china that most of us probably use.

mold?

you don't hear much about that.

propaganda


and i dont' even like kratom

I tried Kratom, felt pretty good for a little while, but eventually built up a tolerance and stopped feeling the same effects.

If I start using kraton will I live to 160? I'm in my mid sixty's and in very good shape. Is it too late for me?

At 2:44, that's a SEWER!

They don't have underground pipes for sewage.

No, not propaganda. A dose of reality. Also, I never said anyone died. But I am concerned about health implications due to the UNREGULATED status of this product.

Unregulated is the key word. No official government regulations or testing. Ever wonder why all kratom products say "not for human consumption"? Because if they were for human consumption, the whole game would change. That means they would have to prove the ground up leaves weren't contaminated.

It's obvious with a little COMMON SENSE.

Good eye!

Is it illegal for someone in the states to mail you some?

Grow your own

My vendor posts lab testing of each batch he gets in. I also boil water and pour it on my dose and let it sit until cooled.

Not sure what the motivation is for this bullshit--why not post a video of how vegetables are grown for the US market in Mexico and other 3rd world countries? Most fruit comes from trees where birds and insects shit on it...I've been using Kratom for intractable pain for 9 years. Same dose 3x a day has given me my life back.

This sounds like yet another attempt to scare people into not using it and pushing for it to be illegal. Nice try Gotlieb.

The Kratom market helps poor people make a living. Thanks for trying to fuck that up.

So, I read a little into it before I got bored and moved on.

I am a perfectly healthy male at 55 years old. Just a few minor aches and pains that come with age.

Would it help in those minor aches and pains?

Would it provide something better for me, other than alcohol and ibuprofen ?

Stop using any of this sh*t. You don't need it.

Yep, you really have to know your source.
Same as all consumables really.
But DO be really careful with kratom sources
A lot of them are downright scary.
Some are a little sketchy and a very few are legit.
Do your research, talk to people.
Took me a couple of years to truly find a brand I have yet to have a major issue with.
Red and green to me seem to be taste issues more than anything

Mind you I also have yet to read the article but I surely will.
Thanks!

You're not concerned about jack shit. UNREGULATED? OH you're "concerned" right. "I'm not a scientologist but"...

How are most herbal supplements grown overseas? DO you think US government can dash over to Indonesia and regulate their growing? What about the tea plantations? Fuck off. "we need regulation" "I'm concerned"...

So, Gotliebite, How is that synthetic lab Kratom coming along?

You can't make money unless you "regulate" the tree leaf out of existence and make it prescription only making sure everyone gets a cut of my pain--right? See doc every 3 months to get prescription-big pharma gets their cut--and people like Gotliebe (thank you president Trump for firing that corrupt son of a bitch) can't get a return on their investment because as long as the natural tree leaf is available people are going to use that. NOW comes along a horror video OMERG someone can die (typical leftard bullshit...why the fuck they always used the "people are dying" and "someone could die"?

You don't fucking pass the sniff test. FAIL.

Ooh, good idea

If you do a multi-solvent extraction you will only end up with the psychoactive alkaloids everything else will be left behind...

I love Kratom. I get super high on it. But, that thread is very detailed and has a ton of good real behind the scenes information. You have to be aware and buy from vendors that test the product. Some vendors like Quantum Kratom run the kratom through a sterilization process with heat and other methods.

There are people who don't know how to control their intake and wind up taking large amounts of kratom every day. Don't be one of those people. Keep your dose steady and take tolerance breaks. You can also use certain supplements to effectively limit tolerance development, like Agmatine.

There is a ton of propaganda out there just like the guy noted in his thread, people will poo poo you for buying kratom from the local store and constantly insist you must buy in bulk online. Cuz they are shilling for either themselves or their friends. Yea you can save money buying in bulk online, but then you have to deal with the mystery issues like that guy described.

There is a documentary out there called A Leaf Of Faith that might be of interest as well.