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American people is this true about your healthcare?!?!?

 
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I would really like to know.
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100%

I’m self employed so I pay for health insurance. It’s $25,000 per year to insure myself and my college age daughter. My older daughter is still in college and I help pay for her insurance $600 each month. Without insurance her asthma medication would cost over $600 each month
Each doctor visit, lab etc is another payment.



Why do I carry insurance? Because any major health problem, cancer, heart etc would take everything I own and then some.

Both my mother and my sister died an early death because of lack of insurance.

Here in the US unless you are a union worker, politician, or low income you are screwed. Worse part, the middle class taxes pay their medical. Medical care that average tax payers can’t afford. All thanks to Obama and Democrats

Here in California, illegals, those that enter the country illegally receive free healthcare.

Average Americans are angry for good reason
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Thank God we still have family health coverage through my spouse's employer, and yet it is still roughly $9000 per year. This does not include the costs of each visit, medication, lab test, band-aid, etc. out-of-pocket until our deductible is met. Prior to Obummercare, the insurance covered 90%, with only a $10 copay for regular visits. The "Affordable Care Act" is and always has been misnomer, because the insurance coverage now is far more expensive with higher deductibles, less coverage, inferior treatment options (because insurance won't cover the most effective yet more expensive options) and with less-effective generic medications forced on patients.
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Update to below: You can go to the court to "get your medical records" or if you are lucky, you can file a release form but you don't get the real record, you get what they permit you to see and nothing more. The secret file remains NO MATTER WHAT. I am only posting this because trolls will say "you can petition for your records any time" but the underlying reality is that you cannot, "heavily redacted" does not cut it.

American medical is an out in the open blood sucking scam machine. If you think you're lucky to have American medical, you're a fool

American medical is GREAT??!!??


I just saw a foreigner from a FIRST world country post to a forum that "America has great medical care". My GOD how the illusion has foreigners lost!
From LOTS of experience I can state with 100 percent accuracy: American health care is absolute horse shit of the lowest order. And I MEAN BAD. America is the home of scamming doctors and dark stench ridden depression inducing caves called "hospitals" that will destroy your life with debt in less than a few days if you ever get stuck in one, and when you leave, you'll have endless problems that force you to go back again and again to be bled out to the final dime and beyond. God forbid you EVER have any sort of medical issue, even short term, ever in your life because it will be used as an opportunity by psychopaths to destroy you.

Oh, but you have "health insurance", RIGHT? Actually, you don't. You have a rip-off scheme that is intended to totally weaken your position in life before you even get to the hospital by robbing you blind month after month even when you need NOTHING, only to have a hospital rip you off and stick it to you again with crap your policy does not cover. Then you are stuck with bills PLUS forced to pay an obscene amount that no insurance would ever cost. In America, insurance by itself is the medical disaster you hoped you'd avoid having to pay for. You'd be a lot better off without it because the disaster will hit you anyway. That "lesser amount" you pay "with insurance" is still multiples higher than the total price you'd pay in Mex, even without insurance there.

AND WORSE? You do not even get to have your medical records, they are instead kept FAR AWAY from you under lock and key, so the next doctor can keep a scam against you going without a hitch and you'll never be the wiser. Why the hell can't you HAVE YOUR MEDICAL RECORD? In America, your medical record is a secret file you can't look in. WHY? Because the plot against your life is there and they do not want you to see it. It is incomprehensible that Americans don't even get to see their medical records. I was never allowed to look at mine. WHY? If they have to be transferred to another doctor, it happens behind the scenes in secret, NOT IN YOUR HANDS, WHY?

I'll tell you why: Because the medical records document the war on the United States via the medical system. Every last thing done to destroy you is right there, in print. They don't want knowledgeable people who are not involved in the scam digging through them and finding "inconsistencies" or asking questions. Everything from "delusional parasitosis" over morgellons to secret accusations and opinions against you, or even how to rip you off is in there and they don't want you to see it.
And worse, American "health care" is inferior, and I MEAN INFERIOR. I know this for a fact.
I know this because I spent lots of years in the U.S., and lots of years in Mexico.
Mexico's health care kicks America's to the curb BIG TIME and costs about 1 - 4%. You get ALL records of EVERYTHING done and can go to any random doctor on a whim with no reference or way for one doctor to know how another doctor got away with scamming you. Here's a good example of why that matters:

Five years ago, one doctor in Mexico told Claudia she had to have her gall bladder removed. I called B.S, and said he's just trying to scam. I gave her the real advice: Stop eating oily foods, and the problem went away. Five years later she's FINE. No other doctor even knew she came across a scammer. No other doctor ever said such a thing. But if she was in the U.S. she'd have had a permanent record of gall bladder issues, and every doctor out there would have tried to cash in. She does not even need pills. She is fine now.

A few years ago, Claudia's dad needed brain surgery. Here's how THAT went:

Mexico is a place where if you need brain surgery, no one will know you had it unlike in the U.S.where you're transformed into a raggedy ann doll IF you are lucky. Claudia's dad had brain surgery twice due to a fall and made a 100 percent PRISTINE recovery, and I mean 100 percent. Before the surgery he had to wear diapers. After surgery he magically transformed to 100 percent normal within a few days. When has THAT ever happened in the U.S.? They'd have tried to cash in at least on a mobility chair or years of "therapy" to keep the gravy train going and tap him for everything he was worth. Where that scapel goes makes all the difference in future payouts and American doctors KNOW IT. Not in Mexico. He walks everywhere, on his own, and is in his own home and does not need anything. He is perfectly sharp in conversation. He is 100 percent mobile and 100 percent cognitive and 100 percent away from the medical system. Imagine THAT in the United States now. It does not happen to an average joe who has had two major brain surgeries. I was expecting him to be TOTALLY messed up afterwards, because in the U.S. that's what the standard is. How could Mexico be better?.

The bottom line: In the U.S. you are not getting "good medical care".

Here's another example: Why does having a baby have to cost so much? That's a natural process. In Mexico, with no insurance, you can go to a top flight warm cheery hospital with an excellent staff, stay there for 3 days in your own beautiful private room, have a C-section, and when you leave after that "god awful expensive way to do it" the total bill including 2 doctors, all nurse care, all meals, all medicine and 3 nights will be less than $1500. And THAT IS PRIVATE CARE, with no government involvement at all. There are cheaper ones where you'll still get your own room, where the total price will be about $600 but the room won't be as nice. CONTRAST THAT WITH AMERICA, your deductible is virtually assured to be multiples more than the total cost of the entire process in Mexico, even if you choose the luxury route in Mexico.

I cannot even begin to describe what a RIP OFF medical is in the United States and what a scam not even getting to keep your own medical records is. The secrecy and the rip off is SO BAD it does not compute. I see it as an open, overt act of war on the country - an act of war specifically intended to rob and weaken people as much as possible to make America that much easier to overthrow totally and to target everyone effectively when the time comes, and you can take this to the bank: IT IS. THEY WANT YOU SECRETLY DOCUMENTED BEFORE THE TAKE DOWN. You had better keep your mouth shut around your doctor. They ask those "friendly" prying questions about guns and politics for a reason and GOD FORBID you refuse a vaccine. Imagine how you'll do in a prison camp or before a court after being pre - back stabbed.
WHY can't you keep your own medical records? ANSWER THAT. WHY?
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That's horrible, and do you have to pay on average like 10,000 to have a child?!?! are you kidding me?!
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That's horrible, and do you have to pay on average like 10,000 to have a child?!?! are you kidding me?!
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We did a home birth for my daughter which cost about $500 cash for the midwife

Yes it would be 20 times that at a hospital
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Yes, because

(1) "There is no free lunch" - i.e., those "zero payment" situations stated means the government is stealing from someone and giving to another

and

(2) In the US, the price-fixing cartel of medicine/pharma/insurance/Uncle Scam takes from people who work and have insurance at 10 to 20 times the real cost so they can (a) line their pockets and (2) provide "free lunches" to those people too lazy to work, or to the invading people from south of the border, or . . .
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We don’t really know how much anything medical costs until we get the bill.
So we avoid doctors like the plague.
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All I know is Im paying a tax on a service I am not receiving.

Fucking comms wtf
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no , my mother did not pay 2500 for an ambulance ride. she has insurance and paid 7 grand for a ride approx 4-5 miles away .
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you pay the same price in your country, you just pay it in taxes
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you pay the same price in your country, you just pay it in taxes
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Not true
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YOU ASKED FOR IT:

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fraid it so
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Just a normal baby delivery cost my son $2200 at a midwife center - no hospital

Some insurances paynfor midwife center - their insurance does not so they paid it

The hospital charges more - thousands more

A Cesarien Section delivery without complications is about $12,000

Most private insurance pays most 80% of the bills - but you pay the rest
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you pay the same price in your country, you just pay it in taxes
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Not true
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My insurance costs $576 for 2 older people per year.

Depending on which clinic or doc I chose, the copay is either $0 or $30.

I use specialty docs at the free hospitals. Hubs uses a mixture of both free and co-pay. We almost always use the free pharmacies.

When we reach medicare age will both will have to pay like $100 plus a month, which sucks.

Oh! If we use a dept of va facility I think the copay is $15.

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I have no healthcare-and some asshole made millions rigging Illinois webpage to redirect to plans that did not actually qualify. Was an intentional ripoff of people's telephone numbers and info. Was online when only roughly 60-100 million people worldwide knew what it was -never saw a web page act like that. FACT
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Why you think TRUMP IS TRYING TO MAKE YOU BUMS PAY UP FOR NATO..

WE ARE BROKE OVER HERE...HEALTH CARE IS EXPENSIVE...

TIME FOR YOU AND Europe to PAY THE PIPER....

You know how much AID MONEY we GIVE OUT ALL AROUND THE WORLD..

BUT YET SOME PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD HEALTH CARE...

PAY YOUR FREAKING NATO DUES ..ALL OF IT..AND WE WILL BE MUCH BETTER OFF..
Seeker of Knowledge

End the UN,THEN CIA,FBI,IRS,AND ALL THE OTHER ONES THAT IS WORKING TO UNDERMINE OUR COUNTRY...

Trump 2020...KAG...

May God Bless All with Goodwill and Love!
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That's horrible, and do you have to pay on average like 10,000 to have a child?!?! are you kidding me?!
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Have you even checked how much it costs in your country?

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Kosten rond zwangerschap en bevalling medisch 2018 pdf with prices [link to www.hetwkz.nl (secure)]
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The cost of prenatal appointments and the actual birth was $0 with my insurance.

I did have to pay for my one meal.
I also had to pay like $45 to get the birth officially recorded in that country


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It pisses me off to no end that we GIVE MONEY to ALLOT OF COUNTRIES AS AID...BUT OUR OWN PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD HEALTH COST...

WE SHOULD STRING EVERY ONE OF THESE CONGRESS PEOPLE UP AND GIVE THEM A GOOD WATER BOARDING....
Seeker of Knowledge

End the UN,THEN CIA,FBI,IRS,AND ALL THE OTHER ONES THAT IS WORKING TO UNDERMINE OUR COUNTRY...

Trump 2020...KAG...

May God Bless All with Goodwill and Love!
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I just pray a lot...
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I have noticed, people are now using uber to get to the hospital.

Thousands of dollars saved.

I plan to use uber, if hubs is away. I go to the er about twice a year. Sometimes I need a iv with a mix of drugs. I need to find a local infusion center.

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Tried to warn ya America

You know listen so good


otrike
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I have noticed, people are now using uber to get to the hospital.

Thousands of dollars saved.

I plan to use uber, if hubs is away. I go to the er about twice a year. Sometimes I need a iv with a mix of drugs. I need to find a local infusion center.

.
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Watch out

They’ll try and hang you for not rolling an Ambo

Lived it

Watch your back

Our “heroes” are shady as hell


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I have no idea why some people get elected and say ...yes we will pay your country Money ...

As our own people are in Tents in the streets ...

And we accept this...It makes NO SENSE..What so ever...

People see people on the streets,here ...and we accept Giving money to Countries that HATE OUR GUTS...

Hmmm..yea that sounds smart....SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STUPID...
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End the UN,THEN CIA,FBI,IRS,AND ALL THE OTHER ONES THAT IS WORKING TO UNDERMINE OUR COUNTRY...

Trump 2020...KAG...

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I refuse to participate in the fraudulent health insurance system
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I would really like to know.
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no , my mother did not pay 2500 for an ambulance ride. she has insurance and paid 7 grand for a ride approx 4-5 miles away .
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Fortunately

I live in a City where Ambo is covered by taxes

With out insurance you are screwed

It’s a sick game

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