Fallen Angels/Devils deserve forgiveness too!

It's not up to us.

All is forgiven. God requires it to be like him. I forgive those who are lowly.

It is all about Choices my friend.

Your various motives in life, generally determines which ANGEL OF DEATH comes for you.

CHOICES

Jacques.

FALLEN ANGELS & THE DEVIL IS GIVEN AMPLE TIME TO DEMON-STRATE THE VALIDITY OF GOODNESS.

NOTHING COME OF THIS, YET!

TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOR EVERYONE INVOLVE.

Indeed Time is running out ...!

But what is time for my Father....!

Anyway.

Jacques.

We are so focused on our own issues and our own measures of judgment, that we have a hard time grasping the fulness of what Christ accomplished. He defeated all rebellion and His judgment brings forth victory in every area of creation, and that includes the fallen angels. Note verse 20 in the passage below...

Colossians 1
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.

17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,

20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

4 Forgiveness of fallen angels/demons!
4 Forgiveness of the power elite!
4 Forgiveness of the ignorant nazi rednecks!

no, there is a difference between, immortal, and human spirits(that after death or the change will become immortal)

Satan and the demonic horde have already committed the unpardonable sin, LONG AGO.

Am I addressing a person with the biblical knowledge of a 5 year old here, or what?

Satan and his angels tried to destroy man by corrupting the genetic makeup of the human race and that is unforgivable.

Satan does not wish to be forgiven. He wants nothing to do with God. satan prefers hell, and shortly he will have all of his freakmason buddies with him.

Lucifer was probably at God's left hand, the right hand side has always been for Christ.
Man is offered grace and mercy because they have never seen God, all Angels have been in God's presence at some point in the past before the fall.

Once in that position there is no grace or mercy for sinning. Adam was under one law, do not eat from one tree. Angels would have had to be under some sort of law also. Satan broke two, he lied and through that lie he caused something that God had given life to to die.

Once man is redeemed to God, complete only at the end of Judgment Day, they are offered a drink from the living water (eternal life), at that same time they are given a set of rules, break them and you go to the lake,

Re;21;6:
And he said unto me,
It is done.
I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the end.
I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Re;21;7:
He that overcometh shall inherit all things;
and I will be his God,
and he shall be my son.
Re;21;8:
But the fearful,
and unbelieving,
and the abominable,
and murderers,
and whoremongers,
and sorcerers,
and idolaters,
and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:
which is the second death.

Fortunately the way things will be it would seem that the possibility of becoming a sinner is non-existent,

Isa;65;23:
They shall not labour in vain,
nor bring forth for trouble;
for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD,
and their offspring with them.
Isa:65:24:
And it shall come to pass,
that before they call,
I will answer;
and while they are yet speaking,
I will hear.

Dear, they were given a chance for forgiveness

- but they refused.

God has wisdom beyond our understanding!

Now do a Bible search on what and who GOD hates.

Yes GOD Hates, and GOD also has enemies, you would be foolish to love that which God hates, and or his enemies.

Glory to GOD.

Love is wonderful, but there is a time for hate.

EXAMPLES from scripture.


Re 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou HATEst the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also HATE.


Re 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I HATE.


Re 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall HATE the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Re 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and HATEful bird.






Psalm 139
20 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain. 21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? 22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies. 23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: 24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.






Psalm 5
4 For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee. 5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. 6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.



Psalm 11
The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. 6 Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.


Psalm 97
9 For thou, LORD, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods. 10 Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.

If what you say makes a difference then how does the blood of Jesus Christ reconcile things in the heavens(spiritual places).

The scriptures are quite clear and literal concerning the verse posted from Colossians 1.

Colossians 1:20
and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.


If they are not fallen, then they do not need to be reconciled.

If any of you other christians who posted want to begin a study on scripture then start with this verse, and cease with the insults of a biblical knowledge of a five year old...because you will eat your words or cower away from the thread debate with your tail between your legs.

this one verse, puts your supposition out of context, and you are way, way, way out of context.

1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

I beleive that all spirits were once human and made the choice when human where they would be eternally in the spirit world.
It is a belief I came to realize when I thought about how Christ was here as a human and he accoplished his place in eternity as it says "at the right hand of the father" through obedience to God in HIS FLESH. So therefore it makes no sense to me that if Christ EARNED an eternal place with God in his flesh it would only make sense that Lucifer did the same otherwise it would not be fair! God is a just God.

some more

2Th 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Yahshua shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Yahshua HaMaschiach:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
2Th 1:12 That the name of our Lord Yahshua HaMaschiach may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Yahshua HaMaschiach.

Lucifer when he was in his flesh chose and fully embraced evil and died that way and earned eternal dambnation.

and some more(and there is much much more)

Jud 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that YHVH, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jud 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, YHVH rebuke thee.
Jud 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
Jud 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Korah.
Jud 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jud 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, YHVH cometh with ten thousands of His saints,
Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Jud 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Jud 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our YHVH YAHshua Ha Mashiach;
Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

sorry wrong answer,

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


are you an ex mormon? many try to make these jumps about angels and from the evidence so far all this info comes from channeled writings by wicked spirits(including the book of moronai)

This verse actually supports the context as all of scripture will do when veiwed correctly through the lens of grace.

If Christ reconciles all things, then He cannot actually accomplish this unless He first destroys the works that are in opposition...ie...the devil


What are these 'all things' that are to be reconciled? The 'all things' that are reconciled are listed in verse 16.

16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.

What are thrones, powers, rulers, and authorities that are being spoken of here?

Ephesians 3
9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;

10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places,

11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord,

Ephesians 6:12
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.


Colossians 2:15
Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

Sorry, you are again out of context, where does it say what you call the "lens of Grace" is the way all scripture is to be interpreted?

here is a starting point for scriptural interpretation, and even this if done without The Holy Spirit is but 'dead letter'

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture given by inspiration of God, and profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

You do realize that this is a prophetic passage that was written. As every prophecy recorded in scripture the word given employs symbolic and figurative expressions in its language. So this verse is one that needs prophetic interpretation. and for me to break down this passage would steer this conversation in a completely different direction. But just to touch on this and I will leave it at that..this prophecy was given to those who troubled the Christians( The believers of faith) and is directed specifically at the Jews, because they were the ones who did not obey the gospel of God, they were the ones to whom the Lord was presented to, and they were the ones who persecuted the church and were considered as the enemies of the gospel.

Romans 11:28
As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs,

They were also the ones who were banished from the presence of the Lord, It cannot apply to anyone else, because no one else in history had been God's chosen people or were in His presence to begin with. You cannot be banished from God's presence, unless you are first in His presence.

But this is an entirely different topic, and your usage of this paticular scripture does not apply to the topic of this thread.

Here is a much better starting point

John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Is the passage from Colossians a private interpretation, or does the context of 'all things' being reconciled in Christ, balance with other inspired Holy Scripture?


Yes the doctrine of 'all things' being brought into reconcilaition is confirmed elsewhere.

Ephesians 1
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Again you are out of context, you are making an implication, to support your point of view.

My post is quite plain, and it covers "äll scripture".

its very simple, when one scripture seems to cancel out the validity of someone else interpretation of another scripture, it is not the scripture which is wrong, it is the interpretation which needs to be examined very closely.
That said i am not arguing that His Grace is good, indeed it is, very good, and without His unmerited favor we would all be so much the less.

I am sharing scripture not making implications.