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(OP) User ID: 1567170 United States 12/12/2019 10:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Starting to have my doubts: House Approves Farmworker Amnesty, Promotes Visa Workers over Americans If he approves it and he likely will from a post i made yesterday.. plus the not mentioning the gun laws coming in VA, and the talk that USMCA will set Zones like the EU all have me concerned!! Coastie Patriot SIC SEMPER TYRRANIS THE SAME PEOPLE WHO SAID NO GUNS BECAUSE OF POLICE NOW WANT TO DEFUND THE POLICE!!!! Dr Thaddeus They They don't really care whether the truth gets out, because the public no longer knows what's meant by "the truth." Well, I mean, no one can tell the difference anymore between what's real and what's fake. Anyway, the point is, I can tell you all of this, right out in the open, because it doesn't matter who knows about it. They won't know whether to believe it or not.- X Files: Lost art of Forehead Sweat A gun is a tool, Marion, no better or no worse than any other tool, an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. -SHANE- Jefferson Smith: You see, boys forget what their country means by just reading The Land of the Free in history books. Then they get to be men they forget even more. Liberty's too precious a thing to be buried in books, Miss Saunders. Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say: I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't, I can, and my children will. Boys ought to grow up remembering that . - MR Smith Goes To Washington- to grow up remembering th My oath to support and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic has no expiration date!!! Ten Bears : It's sad that governments are chiefed by the double tongues. There is iron in your words of death for all Comanche to see and so there is iron in your words of life. No signed paper can hold the iron. It must come from men. Outlaw Josey Wales |
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(OP) User ID: 1567170 United States 12/12/2019 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Starting to have my doubts: House Approves Farmworker Amnesty, Promotes Visa Workers over Americans This. This could actually be good, but I don't think it will pass the Senate. Even if it did, it would be vetoed. Then Trump will call nervous, finger waggin' Nancy and cryin' Chuck back to the table AGAIN to hammer out a deal. And it won't work out well for the demonrats or the invaders. That's how this works. I hope so. I really want to believe in what he is doing and still fighting for america. The scary part is it seems at some point it is all going to break down!! I am in virginia and the proposed gun laws have me worried. Coastie Patriot SIC SEMPER TYRRANIS THE SAME PEOPLE WHO SAID NO GUNS BECAUSE OF POLICE NOW WANT TO DEFUND THE POLICE!!!! Dr Thaddeus They They don't really care whether the truth gets out, because the public no longer knows what's meant by "the truth." Well, I mean, no one can tell the difference anymore between what's real and what's fake. Anyway, the point is, I can tell you all of this, right out in the open, because it doesn't matter who knows about it. They won't know whether to believe it or not.- X Files: Lost art of Forehead Sweat A gun is a tool, Marion, no better or no worse than any other tool, an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. -SHANE- Jefferson Smith: You see, boys forget what their country means by just reading The Land of the Free in history books. Then they get to be men they forget even more. Liberty's too precious a thing to be buried in books, Miss Saunders. Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say: I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't, I can, and my children will. Boys ought to grow up remembering that . - MR Smith Goes To Washington- to grow up remembering th My oath to support and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic has no expiration date!!! Ten Bears : It's sad that governments are chiefed by the double tongues. There is iron in your words of death for all Comanche to see and so there is iron in your words of life. No signed paper can hold the iron. It must come from men. Outlaw Josey Wales |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77288913 United States 12/12/2019 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Starting to have my doubts: House Approves Farmworker Amnesty, Promotes Visa Workers over Americans This. This could actually be good, but I don't think it will pass the Senate. Even if it did, it would be vetoed. Then Trump will call nervous, finger waggin' Nancy and cryin' Chuck back to the table AGAIN to hammer out a deal. And it won't work out well for the demonrats or the invaders. That's how this works. I hope so. I really want to believe in what he is doing and still fighting for america. The scary part is it seems at some point it is all going to break down!! I am in virginia and the proposed gun laws have me worried. Come on man, don't start that "I was a Trump supporter, but now..." over a bill he didn't write and can't control in the House. We should all be nervous about what the dems are doing, but don't cave yet. Especially over STATE laws that can be sued over straight to Supreme Court. |
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User ID: 78205776 United States 12/12/2019 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Starting to have my doubts: House Approves Farmworker Amnesty, Promotes Visa Workers over Americans So how many americans has the OP successfully hired for their dairy farm to start working at 3am for 12 hour days, every day? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1588220 Yeah I like how this whole discussion turns into advocating for a slave labor class with no rights, supported by government programs that benefit business owners. All the arguments about "who is going to work 12 hours a day for pennies" "we need imported labor" are the same arguments that were used to support slavery before the Civil War. Love how it's the humanitarian side, the caring side, the ones with the immigrant's interests at heart, who advocate for the existence of a slave labor class. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76170368 United States 12/12/2019 10:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Starting to have my doubts: House Approves Farmworker Amnesty, Promotes Visa Workers over Americans So how many americans has the OP successfully hired for their dairy farm to start working at 3am for 12 hour days, every day? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1588220 Yeah I like how this whole discussion turns into advocating for a slave labor class with no rights, supported by government programs that benefit business owners. All the arguments about "who is going to work 12 hours a day for pennies" "we need imported labor" are the same arguments that were used to support slavery before the Civil War. Love how it's the humanitarian side, the caring side, the ones with the immigrant's interests at heart, who advocate for the existence of a slave labor class. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78239557 United States 12/12/2019 10:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Starting to have my doubts: House Approves Farmworker Amnesty, Promotes Visa Workers over Americans Nearly all House Democrats, plus a group of 34 Republicans, voted Wednesday to approve an amnesty for illegal farmworkers and to outsource more of the nation’s farm workforce to cheap H-2A visa workers. Quoting: Coastie Patriot The bill, H.R. 5038, would likely amnesty more than a million illegal aliens, and it also subsidizes farm companies that hire more H-2A visa workers instead of hiring Americans. Those subsidies for hiring foreign H-2A workers include rules to cut the H-2A workers’ pay below the expected 2020 rates, plus massive housing subsidies for the migrant workers. The biggest subsidy, however, is that employers will be allowed to dangle the prize of Americans’ citizenship to H-2A migrants who agree to work at low wages for long hours in harsh conditions. Americans comprise roughly three-quarters of the 2.1 million workers in farming, fishing, and forestry, according to a November 2018 report by the Pew Research Center. In contrast, the workforce includes 325,000 illegal workers, or one-in-six of the workforce, said Pew. The estimate of working illegal aliens is far below the Democrats’ estimate of two million illegal aliens who will benefit from an amnesty. breitbart [link to www.breitbart.com (secure)] has me wondering about Trump!! this isnt pro american work. I like Trump but starting to doubt. Well I can tell you that low population farm areas like the eastern shore of Virginia rely heavily on migrant farm workers. And personally I'd rather have them legalized than allowed to continually jump the border every time they commit a crime. I hate worrying about walking my parents property surrounded by farmland and worrying about illegals who basically have no name being able to break the law and quickly leave the state's in such a rural area where it may take police a half an hour to reach me. |
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Forum Administrator 12/12/2019 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Starting to have my doubts: House Approves Farmworker Amnesty, Promotes Visa Workers over Americans Unlikely to make it through Senate. It's dems grandstanding, so if they are ever successful at blanket amnesty, to line up, the now, illegals up as dem voters. Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
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Forum Administrator 12/12/2019 11:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Starting to have my doubts: House Approves Farmworker Amnesty, Promotes Visa Workers over Americans Nearly all House Democrats, plus a group of 34 Republicans, voted Wednesday to approve an amnesty for illegal farmworkers and to outsource more of the nation’s farm workforce to cheap H-2A visa workers. Quoting: Coastie Patriot The bill, H.R. 5038, would likely amnesty more than a million illegal aliens, and it also subsidizes farm companies that hire more H-2A visa workers instead of hiring Americans. Those subsidies for hiring foreign H-2A workers include rules to cut the H-2A workers’ pay below the expected 2020 rates, plus massive housing subsidies for the migrant workers. The biggest subsidy, however, is that employers will be allowed to dangle the prize of Americans’ citizenship to H-2A migrants who agree to work at low wages for long hours in harsh conditions. Americans comprise roughly three-quarters of the 2.1 million workers in farming, fishing, and forestry, according to a November 2018 report by the Pew Research Center. In contrast, the workforce includes 325,000 illegal workers, or one-in-six of the workforce, said Pew. The estimate of working illegal aliens is far below the Democrats’ estimate of two million illegal aliens who will benefit from an amnesty. breitbart [link to www.breitbart.com (secure)] has me wondering about Trump!! this isnt pro american work. I like Trump but starting to doubt. Well I can tell you that low population farm areas like the eastern shore of Virginia rely heavily on migrant farm workers. And personally I'd rather have them legalized than allowed to continually jump the border every time they commit a crime. I hate worrying about walking my parents property surrounded by farmland and worrying about illegals who basically have no name being able to break the law and quickly leave the state's in such a rural area where it may take police a half an hour to reach me. They do not need to be given amnesty, but a VISA program, specifically work farm workers in labor shortage areas, will do the job. Dems will never go for it, as they give zero shits about the immigrants, or the farmers. They care about plussing up their voter base, as they have lost the blue collar, and are starting to lose, the black vote. Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78235221 United States 12/12/2019 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Starting to have my doubts: House Approves Farmworker Amnesty, Promotes Visa Workers over Americans Nearly all House Democrats, plus a group of 34 Republicans, voted Wednesday to approve an amnesty for illegal farmworkers and to outsource more of the nation’s farm workforce to cheap H-2A visa workers. Quoting: Coastie Patriot The bill, H.R. 5038, would likely amnesty more than a million illegal aliens, and it also subsidizes farm companies that hire more H-2A visa workers instead of hiring Americans. Those subsidies for hiring foreign H-2A workers include rules to cut the H-2A workers’ pay below the expected 2020 rates, plus massive housing subsidies for the migrant workers. The biggest subsidy, however, is that employers will be allowed to dangle the prize of Americans’ citizenship to H-2A migrants who agree to work at low wages for long hours in harsh conditions. Americans comprise roughly three-quarters of the 2.1 million workers in farming, fishing, and forestry, according to a November 2018 report by the Pew Research Center. In contrast, the workforce includes 325,000 illegal workers, or one-in-six of the workforce, said Pew. The estimate of working illegal aliens is far below the Democrats’ estimate of two million illegal aliens who will benefit from an amnesty. breitbart [link to www.breitbart.com (secure)] has me wondering about Trump!! this isnt pro american work. I like Trump but starting to doubt. How the fuck are you concerned? you’re a special kind of stupid aren’t you democrat controlled house and you’re fucking saying Trump is the one behind this?? |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1567170 United States 12/12/2019 12:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Starting to have my doubts: House Approves Farmworker Amnesty, Promotes Visa Workers over Americans This. This could actually be good, but I don't think it will pass the Senate. Even if it did, it would be vetoed. Then Trump will call nervous, finger waggin' Nancy and cryin' Chuck back to the table AGAIN to hammer out a deal. And it won't work out well for the demonrats or the invaders. That's how this works. I hope so. I really want to believe in what he is doing and still fighting for america. The scary part is it seems at some point it is all going to break down!! I am in virginia and the proposed gun laws have me worried. Come on man, don't start that "I was a Trump supporter, but now..." over a bill he didn't write and can't control in the House. We should all be nervous about what the dems are doing, but don't cave yet. Especially over STATE laws that can be sued over straight to Supreme Court. Valid points. I have been a supporter in earnest, jsut follow my history. I hate the dems and their pure lust for power, I post tons of news here every day, dont care about Karma jsut want people informed. To many people are just not interested in following politics and arent aware of the shenannigans the dems and soros and ... are up to |
Coastie Patriot (OP) User ID: 1567170 United States 12/12/2019 12:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Starting to have my doubts: House Approves Farmworker Amnesty, Promotes Visa Workers over Americans Nearly all House Democrats, plus a group of 34 Republicans, voted Wednesday to approve an amnesty for illegal farmworkers and to outsource more of the nation’s farm workforce to cheap H-2A visa workers. Quoting: Coastie Patriot The bill, H.R. 5038, would likely amnesty more than a million illegal aliens, and it also subsidizes farm companies that hire more H-2A visa workers instead of hiring Americans. Those subsidies for hiring foreign H-2A workers include rules to cut the H-2A workers’ pay below the expected 2020 rates, plus massive housing subsidies for the migrant workers. The biggest subsidy, however, is that employers will be allowed to dangle the prize of Americans’ citizenship to H-2A migrants who agree to work at low wages for long hours in harsh conditions. Americans comprise roughly three-quarters of the 2.1 million workers in farming, fishing, and forestry, according to a November 2018 report by the Pew Research Center. In contrast, the workforce includes 325,000 illegal workers, or one-in-six of the workforce, said Pew. The estimate of working illegal aliens is far below the Democrats’ estimate of two million illegal aliens who will benefit from an amnesty. breitbart [link to www.breitbart.com (secure)] has me wondering about Trump!! this isnt pro american work. I like Trump but starting to doubt. Well I can tell you that low population farm areas like the eastern shore of Virginia rely heavily on migrant farm workers. And personally I'd rather have them legalized than allowed to continually jump the border every time they commit a crime. I hate worrying about walking my parents property surrounded by farmland and worrying about illegals who basically have no name being able to break the law and quickly leave the state's in such a rural area where it may take police a half an hour to reach me. They do not need to be given amnesty, but a VISA program, specifically work farm workers in labor shortage areas, will do the job. Dems will never go for it, as they give zero shits about the immigrants, or the farmers. They care about plussing up their voter base, as they have lost the blue collar, and are starting to lose, the black vote. Interesting you chose VA as the state and how many Virginians hate their state being blue and are pissed about the gun laws coming and the state was turned because of Immigration, voter fraud and deception!!! |
Coastie Patriot (OP) User ID: 1567170 United States 12/12/2019 12:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Starting to have my doubts: House Approves Farmworker Amnesty, Promotes Visa Workers over Americans Nearly all House Democrats, plus a group of 34 Republicans, voted Wednesday to approve an amnesty for illegal farmworkers and to outsource more of the nation’s farm workforce to cheap H-2A visa workers. Quoting: Coastie Patriot The bill, H.R. 5038, would likely amnesty more than a million illegal aliens, and it also subsidizes farm companies that hire more H-2A visa workers instead of hiring Americans. Those subsidies for hiring foreign H-2A workers include rules to cut the H-2A workers’ pay below the expected 2020 rates, plus massive housing subsidies for the migrant workers. The biggest subsidy, however, is that employers will be allowed to dangle the prize of Americans’ citizenship to H-2A migrants who agree to work at low wages for long hours in harsh conditions. Americans comprise roughly three-quarters of the 2.1 million workers in farming, fishing, and forestry, according to a November 2018 report by the Pew Research Center. In contrast, the workforce includes 325,000 illegal workers, or one-in-six of the workforce, said Pew. The estimate of working illegal aliens is far below the Democrats’ estimate of two million illegal aliens who will benefit from an amnesty. breitbart [link to www.breitbart.com (secure)] has me wondering about Trump!! this isnt pro american work. I like Trump but starting to doubt. Well I can tell you that low population farm areas like the eastern shore of Virginia rely heavily on migrant farm workers. And personally I'd rather have them legalized than allowed to continually jump the border every time they commit a crime. I hate worrying about walking my parents property surrounded by farmland and worrying about illegals who basically have no name being able to break the law and quickly leave the state's in such a rural area where it may take police a half an hour to reach me. They do not need to be given amnesty, but a VISA program, specifically work farm workers in labor shortage areas, will do the job. Dems will never go for it, as they give zero shits about the immigrants, or the farmers. They care about plussing up their voter base, as they have lost the blue collar, and are starting to lose, the black vote. Interesting you chose VA as the state and how many Virginians hate their state being blue and are pissed about the gun laws coming and the state was turned because of Immigration, voter fraud and deception!!! Any one doubting where i stand on the president look at my past posts. I am a Christian veteran and love america. I dont owe you explanations but to follow the masses blindly you better be careful , sometimes the M is silent. I have the right to question any issues and not be raked over the coals for it. If you dont question government and its leaders you are part of the problem!! I didnt say i had given up i said i have some doubts about things and that is what ' we the people" are supposed to do IT'S a REPUBLIC IF WE CAN KEEP IT- coming out of PIGLOSI's mouth that is a threat, it also means we have to question alot. Detractors are entitled to your opinion and say what you want about me. I am entitled, no compelled to question authority and government!! |
Coastie Patriot (OP) User ID: 1567170 United States 12/12/2019 12:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Starting to have my doubts: House Approves Farmworker Amnesty, Promotes Visa Workers over Americans ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78239557 Well I can tell you that low population farm areas like the eastern shore of Virginia rely heavily on migrant farm workers. And personally I'd rather have them legalized than allowed to continually jump the border every time they commit a crime. I hate worrying about walking my parents property surrounded by farmland and worrying about illegals who basically have no name being able to break the law and quickly leave the state's in such a rural area where it may take police a half an hour to reach me. They do not need to be given amnesty, but a VISA program, specifically work farm workers in labor shortage areas, will do the job. Dems will never go for it, as they give zero shits about the immigrants, or the farmers. They care about plussing up their voter base, as they have lost the blue collar, and are starting to lose, the black vote. Interesting you chose VA as the state and how many Virginians hate their state being blue and are pissed about the gun laws coming and the state was turned because of Immigration, voter fraud and deception!!! Any one doubting where i stand on the president look at my past posts. I am a Christian veteran and love america. I dont owe you explanations but to follow the masses blindly you better be careful , sometimes the M is silent. I have the right to question any issues and not be raked over the coals for it. If you dont question government and its leaders you are part of the problem!! I didnt say i had given up i said i have some doubts about things and that is what ' we the people" are supposed to do IT'S a REPUBLIC IF WE CAN KEEP IT- coming out of PIGLOSI's mouth that is a threat, it also means we have to question alot. Detractors are entitled to your opinion and say what you want about me. I am entitled, no compelled to question authority and government!! Not a shot at you KP just used yours, I know you know where i stand!! |