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Christ is the flaming sword that guards tree of life in the Garden of Eden.

 
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If you are not busy weaving your own magick, you are trapped in anothers spell.
“It’s time you realized that you have something in you more powerful and miraculous than the things that affect you and make you dance like a puppet.” – Marcus Aurelius
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Death has been abolished. So I guess reincarnation is abolished as well.
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Death has been abolished. So I guess reincarnation is abolished as well.
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That is one of my queries when I go discuss these matters with the Priest and Deacon. The idea is not to THINK you know, the matter, the point is to KEEP STRIVING. If you stop striving as a Christian you are dead pretty much. You do not find Christ in the solace of your ignorance, you find Christ in the passion of your battle trying to see4k him.
If you are not busy weaving your own magick, you are trapped in anothers spell.
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Death has been abolished. So I guess reincarnation is abolished as well.
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That is one of my queries when I go discuss these matters with the Priest and Deacon. The idea is not to THINK you know, the matter, the point is to KEEP STRIVING. If you stop striving as a Christian you are dead pretty much. You do not find Christ in the solace of your ignorance, you find Christ in the passion of your battle trying to see4k him.
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2 Corinthians 13:5
5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Romans 8:10
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Colossians 1:27
27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Ezekiel 37:14
I will put My Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I, the LORD, have spoken, and I will do it, declares the LORD.

1 Cor 15:45
The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” But the last Adam—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit.
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Well they lifted the stone...”

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Did God/Christ excise these Books or did men, who didn't like what they stated?
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Be instructed.
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Be instructed.
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So, if I was instructed, after finding Christ through Q indirectly, to look at 'everything' (long running discussion you would probably enjoy) and I look at the non-Canonical books (you have seen the Q documents correct?) I will find instructions. Copy.
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10 Commandments Came from Egyptian 42 Commandments if anyone didn't know?
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Welcome back to the thread.
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Cheers, but living aside a ROC catechumen and doing at least an hour long Theological discussion every night wears one down. I obviously hold some heretical beliefs which preclude me from Baptism in the ROC. I would say this is worth a listen (I won't put my thread up just a link) [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

So hearing a 'simpletons' (JK) version of the Union of God and Man through Christ might be quite the new 'eyes' kind of post. I'm looking forward to the post if the poster comes back.
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No idea what you're saying.
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? My neighbour is becoming Russian Orthodox, he reads and listens extensively to (4 or 5 hour) Orthodox talks. We live on an island, so he can only go to Vancouver every second week to attend Church. I have not quite made it there because I am a bit of a heretic (reincarnation is verboten in the ROC).

So every night we have about an hour long Theological discussion. He is still a catechumen. That means he has not been Baptized. He is working towards that. I tried to convince him we should turn the extra room in his place into a studio to do a youtube chatter thing....but not yet. But yes, everyday is a day for discussing theology as far as I am concerned.

Now, I'll, once I get a bit more grounded, ponder of Christ being the flaming sword in Eden because that is a basic presupposition of the Orthodoxy. But I'm going to have to go to Vancouver (a ferry ride away) and have this discussion with either the Priest (or more pertinently) the Deacon. It gets a bit complex really... This isn't a PBJ sammich.

edited...throws phone away.
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I'm from Ukraine, and most of the population is Orthodox. Orthodox church is almost like Catholics, they worship icons and images. Orthodox church is a political tool to control people. Popes have nice and expensive cars, they do everything for money. In Russia there are Old Orthodox believers, when Lenin became a leader, some real Orthodox people ran to woods and mountains, they still live there and worship God. Orthodox church in Russia is involved in politics and brainwashing people. Everyone who worships icons, images and idols are pagan. Only Jesus is Holy, and only Him we should worship. Only real priest we have is Jesus.
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John chapter 16..

Vs 12 and 13..
mouse..
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John chapter 16..

Vs 12 and 13..
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John 16:12-14
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
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John chapter 16..

Vs 12 and 13..
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John 16:12-14
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

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hf
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1 Corintians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
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2 Corinthians 3:17
The Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

1 Cor 15:45
the last Adam - The Life Giver Spirit.

Eph 4:4
There is One Spirit.

1 Cor 8:6b
There is One Lord, Jesus.


:drevil
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Notice God ANNOINTED Jesus WITH the Holy SPirit.
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You are the king at cherry picking verses, TLS; I'll give you that.
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Cherry picking? At least the verses I POST DIRECTLY address how Jesus - and Father God & Apostles - describe the Holy Spirit. YOU have to look for verses to "weave together" for false doctrine, which can't even answer specific questions that I've posed time and time AGAIN.

1. Notice God ANOINTED Jesus WITH the Holy Spirit.

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

2. Jesus was FILLED with AND LED by the Holy Spirit.

Luke 4:1 And Jesus being

full
of the Holy Ghost

returned from Jordan,

and was led by the Spirit

into the wilderness,


3. The Holy Spirit LANDS on Jesus.

John 1

32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.


4. Blaspheming Jesus is forgivable - but NOT the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 12

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


Mark 3

28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:


5. The Holy Spirit was SENT on Pentecost. It wasn't Jesus.

Acts 2

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


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Did God/Christ excise these Books or did men, who didn't like what they stated?
 Quoting: Lance Roseman From BC


Men - because their "human understanding" of them clashed with what "canon" the church leaders CHOSE to accept.

The Apsotles wrote of false doctrines being taught even while they were alive. It got much worse at time moved on and pagan Romans took over the churches.

The Roman Catholic church tries to back-date their list of popes all the way to Peter, yet it was Romans who killed all of the prior to Constantine's "vision".

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

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The congregation set up by Paul in Rome became a church with a bishop, just like dozens of others around the Mediterranean.

And ALL so-called early "popes" were basically nothing more than bishops, with no true authority over Christendom.

Only through subsequent Edicts did the church in Rome start claiming authority over the next several centuries.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

The Church gradually became a defining institution of the Roman Empire. Emperor Constantine issued the Edict of Milan in 313 proclaiming toleration for the Christian religion, and convoked the First Council of Nicaea in 325 whose Nicene Creed included belief in "one holy catholic and apostolic Church". Emperor Theodosius I made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire with the Edict of Thessalonica of 380.

Through such "Edicts" Rome mixed pagan statues, beliefs etc...into the "church", turning the apostolic churches into a hiararchy / tradition-laden religion, just like Judaism had become.

The Waldensians LEFT the Rome area because of such.

The RCC truly didn't start grasping hold of the Catholic Empire until 445, when the emperor Valentinian III decreed that all western bishops must obey the pope.

Notice that BOTH Theodosius AND Valentinian III were EMPERORS.

NOT popes. Rome mere "back-dated" their line of popes, all the way to Peter.


Finally, it's ironic that prior to Constantine's Edict of making Christianity "legal", Roman authorities spent the previous 290 years persecuting Christians.

Then, in 385 CE the first Christians, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers.

This began a centuries-long assualt on both pagans AND non-Catholics that lasted up until the 1700's.

Finally, the Bible wasn't "made" by the RCC. All they did was chose which manuscripts to consider as doctrine.

The manuscripts used to create the Bible existed 200+ years BEFORE Constantine legalized Christianity.

Roman leaders spent the entire 290+ years between Christ's death and Constantine's supposed vision in 312 AD persecuting and killing Christians.

They had NO control etc...of the network of Christian churches that had been in existence since the apostles had begun establishing them after Christ's ascension.

Rome merely assimilated them, beginning with the Council of Nicea.
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John chapter 16..

Vs 12 and 13..
 Quoting: mouse..


John 16:12-14
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

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John 16:25 (BBE)
All this I have said to you in veiled language: but the time is coming when I will no longer say things in veiled language but will give you knowledge of the Father clearly.

: )
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Can't believe people are still using those parables to prove that there is a third person, completely missing the point.
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John 8:28
Then Jesus said unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then ye shall know that I AM and that I do nothing of myself, but as my Father has taught me, I speak these things.

John 16:12-15
When the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

John 12:49 “For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.”

John 14:10 “The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me,”
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John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance , whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 4:25-26
25The woman said to him, "I know that The Messiah is coming, and when he comes, he will teach us all things." 26Jesus said to her, "I who speak to you am He."

Romans 8:9
You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

2 Cor 13:3
since you are demanding proof that Christ is speaking through me. He is not weak in dealing with you, but is powerful among you.

Luke 21:15
For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Luke 12:12
For at that time the Holy Spirit will teach you what you should say."

Matt 10:20
For it is not you who will be speaking—it will be the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

John 1:4
In him was life, and the life was the light of men.

John 6:63
It is the Spirit who gives life

1 Cor 15:45
the last Adam - The Life Giver Spirit.
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John 14:25
The COMFORTER, he shall teach you all things

John 4:25-26
The MESSIAH,.. he will teach us all things.

John 14:18
I will not leave you COMFORTLESS: I will come to you.

1 Jn 2:1
we have A COMFORTER with the Father, JESUS CHRIST the righteous:
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5. The Holy Spirit was SENT on Pentecost. It wasn't Jesus.


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epiclol

John 17:3
This is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true God, and the One You have sent--Jesus Christ.

John 14:20
On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
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Ephesians 1:10
as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

Ephesians 1:21
far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.

drevil
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5. The Holy Spirit was SENT on Pentecost. It wasn't Jesus.


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epiclol

John 17:3
This is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true God, and the One You have sent--Jesus Christ.

John 14:20
On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
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Jesus was sent on Pentecost. He’s the one who showed up and breathed His spirit into the disciples that day, at least.
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5. The Holy Spirit was SENT on Pentecost. It wasn't Jesus.


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epiclol

John 17:3
This is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true God, and the One You have sent--Jesus Christ.

John 14:20
On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
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Jesus was sent on Pentecost. He’s the one who showed up and breathed His spirit into the disciples that day, at least.
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Beefree, Jesus is the image of God. Remember he said, when you see him you don't see Him, but God.

Rev 1:16
In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

Revelation 19:15
And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God, the Almighty.
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What does this mean with regard to Jesus showing up on Pentecost and breathing out the Spirit? That we can say it was really God who breathed out the spirit? I’m confused. Please be patient with me.

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What does this mean with regard to Jesus showing up on Pentecost and breathing out the Spirit? That we can say it was really God who breathed out the spirit? I’m confused. Please be patient with me.

hf
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It was indeed!
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What does this mean with regard to Jesus showing up on Pentecost and breathing out the Spirit? That we can say it was really God who breathed out the spirit? I’m confused. Please be patient with me.

hf
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It was indeed!
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I see it now :)
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Daniel 7:9-10
9 “I watched till thrones were put in place,
And the Ancient of Days was seated;
His garment was white as snow,
And the hair of His head was like pure wool.
His throne was a fiery flame,
Its wheels a burning fire;

Revelation 1:14
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;





GLP