Christ is the flaming sword that guards tree of life in the Garden of Eden.

Jesus NEVER says "I am the Holy Spirit".
Jesus NEVER says "I am the Holy Ghost".
Jesus NEVER says "I am the Spirit of Truth".
Jesus NEVER says..."the Father will send MY Spirit / ME".

Father God NEVER refers to Jesus as "the Holy Spirit".

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Jesus ALWAYS refers to the Holy Spirit as "He" / "ANOTHER"

Jesus says "the Father will SEND the Holy Spirit". That's IN ADDITION to Himself.

Jesus says "the Father will SEND ANOTHER Comforter".

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Paul NEVER experienced the Father's voice and the Holy Spirit at Jesus' baptism.
Paul NEVER experienced the Holy Spirit like the others did on Pentecost.
Paul NEVER heard the Father's voice at the Transfiguration.
Paul NEVER heard Jesus TALK about the Holy Spirit.

Paul NEVER got to READ what the other Apostles experienced.
They only had a couple of days to compare notes.

So what?

Matthew 3 verses of the Bible SHOW us 3 entities.

Jesus - with John the Baptist
Father God - speaks from heaven
Holy Spirit - "lights on Jesus like a dove"

Matthew 3

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water:

and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the

Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying,

This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

That right there son is different THREE beings / entities.

Jesus - with John the Baptist
Father God - speaks from heaven
Holy Spirit - "lights on Jesus like a dove" THEN LEADS Jesus into the wilderness.

Matthew 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

So you believe the Holy Spirit is a "third entity"

So you're gravely mistaken.

Your tactics are cringe-worthy. "JESUS NEVER SAID ___"

Are you saying the Bible is wrong???

Is 1 Cor 8:6b WRONG???

Revised LIST for you folks who think the kingdom of God is just "inside" people.

1. So The Father's throne and the seraphim are "inside of us"?

2. Is a new heaven going to happen "INSIDE US" when Christ returns?

3. Is a new earth going to be formed INSIDE US?

4. So the "New Jerusalem" descends "into us" - and NOT "down to earth"?

5. So...when we die we go "into our own selves"?????

6. So Ezekial was taken "inside himself" instead of heaven ABOVE?

7. So the throne and seraphims that Isaiah saw in Chapter 9 were "inside himself"?

8. So the throne and other things John described in Revelation were "inside himself"?

9. How about Enoch? Was everything he described actually "inside himself"?

10. So when God TOOK Enoch - He took him to "inside himself"?

11. So the "paradise" that Paul was taken "UP" to was "inside Himself"?

12. Jesus ASCENDED "into people" - NOT into heaven above???

13. So "the Father's house" and the "many mansions" that Jesus talks about - are ALL inside of US - where YOU say the kingdom of God exists?

14. So the Father SENT Jesus from "inside ourselves"?

15. So the Father SENDS the Holy Spirit from "inside ourselves"?

16. So when Elijah was taken by the chariot, he was taken to "inside himself"?

17. ALL the souls under the alter in Revelation 6:9 are "inside us"???

18. So where it the "heaven" that is refered to in the Lord's Prayer?

Matthew 6

9 In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name.

10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven.


Luke 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

NOPE. The scripture I posted PROVES such.

ONCE AGAIN - this is 3 entities.

Matthew 3 verses of the Bible SHOW us 3 entities.

Jesus - with John the Baptist
Father God - speaks from heaven
Holy Spirit - "lights on Jesus like a dove"

Matthew 3

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water:

and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the

Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying,

This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

That right there son is different THREE beings / entities.

Look through ALL the things that Jesus says.

Jesus NEVER says "I am the Holy Spirit".
Jesus NEVER says "I am the Holy Ghost".
Jesus NEVER says "I am the Spirit of Truth".
Jesus NEVER says..."the Father will send MY Spirit / ME".

"By whom"? Jesus is the SOLE Creator?

NONSENSE - pure Paulinistic garbage.

Look at other translations. Not that it will do any good.

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Another one for the list above.

Jesus NEVER says "I am the Spirit of God".

It's Jesus who gives us gifts, not a third entity.

Exactly, you say the BIBLE is "Paulinistic garbage", SO STOP QUOTING PAUL THEN.

Really?

Does the phrase "gift of Jesus" exist in scripture?

How about "gift FROM Jesus"?

Salvation is a gift FROM the Father - through Jesus.

Jesus said the Father would SEND the Holy Spirit - a gift FROM the Father.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent,
and be baptized every one of you in the
name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

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"gift of God" occurs 8 times in 8 verses in the KJV.

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Ecclesiastes 3:13 And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God.

Ecclesiastes 5:19 Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God.

John 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

Acts 8:20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Corinthians 7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

2 Timothy 1:6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.

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Acts 8

13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.

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Your decision to accept ONLY a translation that supposedly proves your false doctrine is Paulinistic.

Jesus created WITH the Father.
He HAD to learn by WATCHING the Father.
The Father TAUGHT Jesus.

Scripture - Jesus' own words - confirm that.

John 1:16
For we have all received from his fullness one gracious gift after another.

Ephesians 4:8
For it says: When He ascended on high, He took prisoners into captivity; He gave gifts to people.

Hebrews 2:4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

First of all, you are not being honest.

You think the Father created Jesus, through Mary and the Holy Spirit, you can't possibly believe Jesus is the source of Creation or "created with the father".

Secondly, you believe the world was created by a "third entity', not Jesus.

You believe a "third entity" wad "with the Father" before creation, not Jesus.

Your deceptions will catch up to you one day.

No matter what translation you use, everything is by Jesus, even creation itself. Jesus ain't a created thing, even "the first created thing" as you believe.

The Scriptures themselves CAME BY JESUS.

My "deceptions"? I have none.

On the other hand...your DELUSIONS of your fake doctrine are utter nonsense.

Ironic - how many months did it take for you to FINALLY see the TRUTH about Jesus being the SON OF God...

...and NOT the "Father Himself"?

you believe the world was created by a "third entity', not Jesus.

Like your delusion that "Jehovah" spoke to you personally?

Remember that time you believed in a "third entity" "non-Jesus" "Holy Spirit"? Oh wait, that time is now.

You're truly messed up in the head ovalphotine



NOPE. NEVER said all that.

Jesus SAID He was BORN. He was the firstborn of creation so the Father created Him.

"Let US create man" - that's the Father and Jesus

"the Spirit of GOD hovered" - that IS NOT Jesus - it's the Holy Spirit.

Get it RIGHT BOZO



NOPE. NEVER said that.

BOZO



The Holy SPirit is the Father's HELPER Spirit.
Whether the Father created it - or it always existed - scripture DOES NOT say.

Jesus WAS CLEARLY firstborn / only-begotten.

Stop sticking words in my mouth - buttmunch BOZO

Ps 33:6
By the Word of the Lord the heavens were established; and all the power of them by the Spirit of his mouth

Ps 104:30
You send Your Spirit, they are created

How many entities is that?

Delusion? NOPE.

God doesn't speak to anyone?

How do YOU KNOW??????

You don't.

Where does the Bible say that God STOPPED speaking to people?

It doesn't.

Don't bother quoting what Jesus said - it's taken OUT OF context.

Hmm, my Bible doesn't say the Father created Jesus, (the Word), mine says everything was created BY Jesus (the Word), and that "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made" (Jn 1:3).

Jesus was born but He also existed BEFORE he was born.

"Firstborn of creation" that Paulian term you like to abuse, does not mean "first created thing".

Christ is the SOURCE and RULER of Creation. NOT a created thing.

3 entities.

Father God - Jehovah
SON of God - Jesus Yashua
Holy Spirit

Jesus - with John the Baptist
Father God - speaks from heaven
Holy Spirit - "lights on Jesus like a dove"

Matthew 3

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water:

and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the

Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying,

This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

That right there son is different THREE beings / entities.

Hmm let's go with

Matthew 11:27
"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."

John 16:25
"Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father."

Or

1 Timothy 2:5
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"

or perhaps this is more your style:

Amos 3:7
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

1 Timothy 4:1
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

Underlined is you ^
Red is Jesus (See John 16:25)

BULLSHITE

THe Father is THE SOURCE of ALL things - you dumbass.

HOW did Jesus do that when He didn't KNOW anything? These 2 verses PROVE that there was a time when Jesus didn't KNOW anything or was able to DO anything.

John 5:19 & John 8:28

5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

WHO spoke to Moses? And the REST of the prophets?

It wasn't Jesus.

WHO spoke at Jesus' baptism AND the Transfiguration?

WHO are YOU to say that Father God DID NOT speak to me?

The "secret" of Amos 3 was that Father God HAD a SON.

Wrong, "The Word" and "the Spirit" are equated with eachother in Ps 33:6, at the most there would be 2 "entities"; but definitely no "third entity".

Ps 104:30 is not about a "third entity", (Chuckle).